Hulk and Civil War

[Sean Whitmore]

All I know about "Civil War" is what I've read in a couple of solicits, so I apologize in advance if I'm going over stuff that's been discussed to death in the rumor/spoiler threads.

When I first read in Hulk that Reed Richards and others had conspired to shoot Hulk into space, I just thought it was crappy writing. The writer needed a reason to get Hulk into space and chose this stupid idea at random, without considering the ramifications of what it meant for the other characters involved. Wouldn't be the first time.

But then in the latest Fantastic Four, JMS threw in what could be considered a throwaway line, where Ben jokes about shooting Hulk into space and Reed doesn't find it funny.

Between this and the Illuminati, it got me thinking that this wasn't some poorly thought-out idea by a fill-in Hulk writer, but a conscious decision by the Marvel higher ups to have Reed do this controversial thing and play with the ramifications of it.

The more pragmatic heroes would likely agree with such a decision. The greater good, and all that. But there are those who consider the Hulk family (She Hulk), a friend (Sentry), a kindred spirit (Thing), or just a person with rights (Captain America). Are they, under any circumstances, gonna be okay with Reed's decision?

So could this be the real reason for the split into hero camps? That is, the registration act is what will spark the flame, but what happened to Hulk is what will fan it into an inferno?


SEAN

[Karl J. Barnes]

That's if anyone finds out about it, since The Illumanti are suppose to be a secret group that have only now been seen by us readers. I do think that if this is found out that things would get out of hand. I mean, the Sentry is a pretty powerful foe.

[Kevinroc]

I don't think we need that much of a push to think that some of these characters would approve of removing Hulk from the equation.

Dr. Strange has banished Hulk from the Marvel Universe before because he was too dangerous. I didn't see it as that much of a hop, skip and a jump to consider that others in The Illuminati would consider something like this.

Could banishing The Hulk from Earth split the heroes? Sure. It could anger folks like She-Hulk, Sentry and Captain America. But from the preview images, it seems banishing The Hulk is what splits The Illuminati apart.

The real story for The Hulk is what he's going to do once he gets back to Earth. He shouldn't be too pleased with the heroes of the Marvel Universe.

[dingo]

The more pragmatic heroes would likely agree with such a decision. The greater good, and all that. But there are those who consider the Hulk family (She Hulk), a friend (Sentry), a kindred spirit (Thing), or just a person with rights (Captain America). Are they, under any circumstances, gonna be okay with Reed's decision?


I am just going to deal with this section of your post.

The Hulk has been on more rampages than you could possibly count, resulting in innumerable deaths.
What we have with the Hulk is basically one of those philosophical questions that you get with co-joined twins (e.g. if one commits a crime how can you punish one and not the other?).

First She-Hulk.
Bruce is her family, not the Hulk, but this is a fair point.

Sentry
He may be friends with Hulk, but Hulk is a murderer. Perhaps he is not what you would consider to be an adult, but to a certain degree even minors are responsible for their actions. If the Hulk recieves any punishment, then a tie of friendship is not enough to prevent it.

The Thing
I would contest that Ben does not find the Hulk to be a kindred spirit. He may understand what it is to be a monster, but the Hulk has never suffered from his condition like Ben has.
If you meant that Ben would find Bruce to be a kindred spirit then there is more ground for that, but I can't think of any significant interaction in any comic between Ben and Bruce.

Captain America
Would have little regard for the rights of the Hulk as a murderer, but would be concerned for Bruce.

So of those four we have the concern for family and a generic concern for rights (in both cases for Bruce, not the Hulk).
Now to my mind what we have here is just one great big grey area. Certainly Bruce should not be punished for the actions of the Hulk, but you try telling that to the families of the Hulks victims.
In any such situation, any society has a moral breaking point when the rights of an individual will be disregarded for the benefit of the many (and yes I do mean any society, even the U.S. with the highest regard for the rights of the individual).
Now to muddy the water further, the Hulk has been of some use in turning away threats from the world, but this would be of very limited value in his defence.

I suppose in summation, what I am getting at is that breaking point was finally met and the rights of Bruce are now less than the rights of the future victims of the Hulk.

[Sean Whitmore]

Dr. Strange has banished Hulk from the Marvel Universe before because he was too dangerous. I didn't see it as that much of a hop, skip and a jump to consider that others in The Illuminati would consider something like this.


Excellent point, I'd forgotten about that (I mean, I'd never read it, but I knew it happened). Did Strange do this in front of the other heroes? And if so, did they have any bad reaction to it?

An argument could be made, too, that the Hulk was absolutely mindless and savage when Strange "deported" him, and they might have felt they had no other choice. Nowadays, the Hulk has Banner's brain (well, A brain, anyway) the majority of the time, and he was tricked into exiling himself during "peacetime", as it were. It may be splitting hairs, but I bet it'll be enough to divide people on the issue.


The real story for The Hulk is what he's going to do once he gets back to Earth. He shouldn't be too pleased with the heroes of the Marvel Universe.


That's the story I'm waiting to see. I'm just hopeful the creative team at the time is worthy of the task. I hated Way's arc, and Planet Hulk, while perfectly okay, simply isn't my cuppa. I'd like to see Millar and Romita Jr. (or maybe even Hitch) re-team for some "Enemy of the State"-style over the top action.


SEAN

[Sean Whitmore]

The Hulk has been on more rampages than you could possibly count, resulting in innumerable deaths.


I understand what you're saying, but it all seems to be under the assumption that Hulk has killed. Now of course we could look at it realistically and say he MUST have killed SOMEone in all those years. But isn't the official Marvel line that Hulk has never killed anyone?


I would contest that Ben does not find the Hulk to be a kindred spirit. He may understand what it is to be a monster, but the Hulk has never suffered from his condition like Ben has.


I guess this could just be different writers' takes on the situation. In the latest Fantastic Four, JMS wrote a scene between Hulk and Ben that really hinted at how well they could relate to each other.

Plus, you know how touchy Ben is. It wouldn't be out of character at all for him to think: "well hell, if the cosmic rays ever affect my mind and make me go nuts, am I getting the one-way ticket to Pluto too?" :)


SEAN

[dingo]

I understand what you're saying, but it all seems to be under the assumption that Hulk has killed. Now of course we could look at it realistically and say he MUST have killed SOMEone in all those years. But isn't the official Marvel line that Hulk has never killed anyone?


I doubt it. Banner hasn't been contemplating suicide for years because he broke a few legs, that's for sure.
I think the assumption that the Hulk has killed is a safe one, but if you wish to contest it (which is of course your right :) ) then I will find an issue and page no for you.




I guess this could just be different writers' takes on the situation. In the latest Fantastic Four, JMS wrote a scene between Hulk and Ben that really hinted at how well they could relate to each other.

Plus, you know how touchy Ben is. It wouldn't be out of character at all for him to think: "well hell, if the cosmic rays ever affect my mind and make me go nuts, am I getting the one-way ticket to Pluto too?" :)


SEAN

Yeah, I saw that scene, there are similarities for sure, but for the most part, under most writers, Ben has not really identified with the Hulk. I keep thinking of the time that he was being attacked by thousands of clone-type orange skin spawn, he was yelling at them that they were no better than the Hulk.
Plus you could take it that he was talking to Banner.

As for the fact of Ben thinking if the cosmic rays affect his mind will he bent sent off, he is such a selfless hero that I bet he would be damn well counting on Reed to put him out of the way of harming others.

[Kevinroc]

Excellent point, I'd forgotten about that (I mean, I'd never read it, but I knew it happened). Did Strange do this in front of the other heroes? And if so, did they have any bad reaction to it?

An argument could be made, too, that the Hulk was absolutely mindless and savage when Strange "deported" him, and they might have felt they had no other choice. Nowadays, the Hulk has Banner's brain (well, A brain, anyway) the majority of the time, and he was tricked into exiling himself during "peacetime", as it were. It may be splitting hairs, but I bet it'll be enough to divide people on the issue.

I think Dr. Strange did it in front of other heroes but I don't know what the reaction is (I actually haven't read that arc myself).

But the arguement stands that Hulk's state varies wildly. He was Savage Hulk in The Sentry, he was under Nightmare's spell for awhile, he wasn't quite under Banner's control fully following House of M, etc.

That's the story I'm waiting to see. I'm just hopeful the creative team at the time is worthy of the task. I hated Way's arc, and Planet Hulk, while perfectly okay, simply isn't my cuppa. I'd like to see Millar and Romita Jr. (or maybe even Hitch) re-team for some "Enemy of the State"-style over the top action.


SEAN

I don't know what Marvel's plans are 13 or so months from now. I don't even know what Marvel's plans are post-Civil War. But a really good action arc on Earth by Millar would be pretty sweet. Although then we might have Hulk eating people. :p

[Will.S]

I understand what you're saying, but it all seems to be under the assumption that Hulk has killed. Now of course we could look at it realistically and say he MUST have killed SOMEone in all those years. But isn't the official Marvel line that Hulk has never killed anyone?
Interestingly, Hulk's various rampages got me thinking that thematically the Hulk ties in perfectly with Civil War given all the usual collateral damage that ensues. He could easily be another type of catalyst for the registration act.

[StoneGold]

Interestingly, Hulk's various rampages got me thinking that thematically the Hulk ties in perfectly with Civil War given all the usual collateral damage that ensues. He could easily be another type of catalyst for the registration act.
True. As they've said though, the problem with the Hulk is, whichever side of registration he comes down on, you don't want to be on the other side of. Which would be motivation to get rid of him.

[Will.S]

True. As they've said though, the problem with the Hulk is, whichever side of registration he comes down on, you don't want to be on the other side of. Which would be motivation to get rid of him.
Yeah pretty much.

[lordlad]

all i know is...when Hulk comes back.........Hulk WILL SMASH !!!!

[Tony Starkz]

When Hulk returns,it's going to be in a big,big way.It has the potential to be one of the defining "holy fack!!!!!" moments in comics.

[StoneGold]

When Hulk returns,it's going to be in a big,big way.It has the potential to be one of the defining "holy fack!!!!!" moments in comics.
Or he could end up liking the next year, becoming king of his own planet and all.


But somehow, that doesn't seem as fun.

[Shellhead]

Excellent point, I'd forgotten about that (I mean, I'd never read it, but I knew it happened). Did Strange do this in front of the other heroes? And if so, did they have any bad reaction to it?

An argument could be made, too, that the Hulk was absolutely mindless and savage when Strange "deported" him, and they might have felt they had no other choice. Nowadays, the Hulk has Banner's brain (well, A brain, anyway) the majority of the time, and he was tricked into exiling himself during "peacetime", as it were. It may be splitting hairs, but I bet it'll be enough to divide people on the issue.

I'm pretty sure that Doc exiled the mindless Hulk at the end of a huge battle that involved lots of superheroes. I agree that it was probably more acceptable because Hulk was mindless at that time.

[WolverinesSon]

Excellent point, I'd forgotten about that (I mean, I'd never read it, but I knew it happened). Did Strange do this in front of the other heroes? And if so, did they have any bad reaction to it?


SEAN

Yeah, it was actually in Incredible Hulk #300 when Hulkie flipped out and went on a whole savage rampage through New York. Alot of heavyweights were in this book. Doc Strange, The Avengers, Spidey, numerous others and they couldn't stop Hulk at all. Doc Strange had no choice but to banish him to an alternate dimension. Everyone was around and witnessed it. It's actually a pretty bad ass book with excellent artwork. I recommend finding it if you could.
http://www.hulklibrary.com/hulk/images/covers/tih2/tih2-300-s.jpg
There's a bad ass part where Thor and Hulk square off. It's definitely a must read.

[Crash-Man]

The Hulk has been on more rampages than you could possibly count, resulting in innumerable deaths.

Is this true?

When was that established?

I was under the impression that Hulk never killed anyone, inadvertently or otherwise, and that the little boy who appeared to be killed during one of his rampages a few years ago (Jones run?) was some sort of illusion.

Hulk's property destruction has undoubtedly ruined many, many lives, and has probably driven some people to crime and suicide, and his dual nature brings unending grief to him and those he cares about. But these "innumerable deaths" are news to me.

I'm very curious as to how and when Hulk became a mass-murderer.

[Loestal]

Is this true?

When was that established?

I was under the impression that Hulk never killed anyone, inadvertently or otherwise, and that the little boy who appeared to be killed during one of his rampages a few years ago (Jones run?) was some sort of illusion.

Hulk's property destruction has undoubtedly ruined many, many lives, and has probably driven some people to crime and suicide, and his dual nature brings unending grief to him and those he cares about. But these "innumerable deaths" are news to me.

I'm very curious as to how and when Hulk became a mass-murderer.

Ehh...it's pretty common knowledge that Hulk is responsible for many deaths. I can't tell you specifically where they say or if they do....but surely you can't just up and assume nobody has ever been killed by his rampages, plenty of people have. He isn't such a high risk because of collateral damage...when he destroys buildings and throws busses down streets, people die...I never knew that really needed to be addressed, thought it was self implied. I find it strange that a comic book fan doesn't know this, or thinks otherwise.

[Sean Whitmore]

Ehh...it's pretty common knowledge that Hulk is responsible for many deaths. I can't tell you specifically where they say or if they do....but surely you can't just up and assume nobody has ever been killed by his rampages, plenty of people have. He isn't such a high risk because of collateral damage...when he destroys buildings and throws busses down streets, people die...I never knew that really needed to be addressed, thought it was self implied.


It is the logical conclusion to make, but Marvel has gone out of their way to state that--through whatever miraculous happenstance--nobody has died during Hulk's rampages. They're not as interested in showing "what would realistically happen", they're interested in keeping the Hulk a hero, and to do that he can't have a death toll.

The latest such assertion was made by She Hulk in her magazine a couple months ago. It was pretty circular logic, I grant you ("he can't have killed anyone, or he would've killed himself right after"), but it just adds to the many instances of people saying that Hulk has never killed.


SEAN

[Loestal]

Hm...I had always just assumed there were deaths...and in my head there still are, it makes him much more threatening. I could care less about his rampages if all he did was destroy buildings. That's why I like UU Hulk so much, his crazy ass is scary.

[Crash-Man]

Everytime traditional superheroes (or comic book characters in general) kill people, either intentionally or inadvertently, a big deal is made of it. If Hulk threw a car with someone still inside (a la Miracleman), it wouldn't be glossed over. If he brought down an inhabited building, we wouldn't hear the end of it.

Hulk isn't the only character who throws cars, trucks, trains and brings down buildings while he's fighting, and he's not the only one who engages in reckless fights in the middle of cities either. The assumption that he's killed would apply just as easily to the Avengers, the X-Men, the Fantastic Four etc.

I specifically remember reading during the Jones run that Hulk has never killed anyone during his rampages, as unlikely as it may seem.

For a good idea of how Hulk as a mass murderer would truly change the context of the character, check out the first few issues of both Ultimates run.

As far as I know, it's canon that Hulk never killed anyone. I'd be interested in seeing it proven otherwise.

[Sean Whitmore]

That's why I like UU Hulk so much, his crazy ass is scary.


I totally agree with you there. :) Ultimate Hulk has a definite advantage in that, when he's in a story, there's no telling WHAT will happen. Whereas MU Hulk will always smash some buildings, knock out the hero, and then be distracted by something shiny.


I specifically remember reading during the Jones run that Hulk has never killed anyone during his rampages, as unlikely as it may seem.


Yeah, that was the kickoff to the whole storyline. The government had "finally" gotten serious about stopping Hulk (as if they were just screwing around in the past) because this was the first time he'd killed an innocent.


SEAN

[Loestal]

Everytime traditional superheroes (or comic book characters in general) kill people, either intentionally or inadvertently, a big deal is made of it. If Hulk threw a car with someone still inside (a la Miracleman), it wouldn't be glossed over. If he brought down an inhabited building, we wouldn't hear the end of it.

Hulk isn't the only character who throws cars, trucks, trains and brings down buildings while he's fighting, and he's not the only one who engages in reckless fights in the middle of cities either. The assumption that he's killed would apply just as easily to the Avengers, the X-Men, the Fantastic Four etc.

I specifically remember reading during the Jones run that Hulk has never killed anyone during his rampages, as unlikely as it may seem.

For a good idea of how Hulk as a mass murderer would truly change the context of the character, check out the first few issues of both Ultimates run.

As far as I know, it's canon that Hulk never killed anyone. I'd be interested in seeing it proven otherwise.

My bad then, I was totally wrong. I guess my common sense got the best of me, silly Marvology.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

So what's the official timeline on Hulk being off of earth? Will he be back this year or next year?

[Jake V]

So what's the official timeline on Hulk being off of earth? Will he be back this year or next year?
I think Planet Hulk is 14 issues long. So sometime next year he MIGHT be back. In comic book time, I have no idea how long.

[CMBMOOL]

Hi,

I New To The Threads And I Like This Discussion.


What I See The Planet Hulk Storyline As, It 14 Issues All Going Up Until April Of Next Year.

The Plot Is This: He Was Originally Supposed To Go To A Peacefull Planet But He Changed Course And Ended Up In A Hostlie Planet. Now When The Marvel Heroes Hear About This They Would Feel Bad For The "bruce" Persona And When They Hear The "real" Truth Of The Planet The Hulk's In Then They Would Try To Save Him Before The Planet Destruction.


So Until Next April, Either Way The Hulk Will Come Back With A Vengence.

Well What Do You Guys Think ? :)

[Andy S.]

Yeah, it was actually in Incredible Hulk #300 when Hulkie flipped out and went on a whole savage rampage through New York. Alot of heavyweights were in this book. Doc Strange, The Avengers, Spidey, numerous others and they couldn't stop Hulk at all. Doc Strange had no choice but to banish him to an alternate dimension. Everyone was around and witnessed it. It's actually a pretty bad ass book with excellent artwork. I recommend finding it if you could.
http://www.hulklibrary.com/hulk/images/covers/tih2/tih2-300-s.jpg
There's a bad ass part where Thor and Hulk square off. It's definitely a must read.

This was, indeed, an awesome issue. It touched off a 12-13 issue run (written by Bill Mantlo) where Hulk was exiled in a "crossroads" where he could travel to limitless different realities. One of the best Hulk story arcs, IMO. Mike Mignola did the covers.

[drdarthdoom]

As far as hulk killing someone, I believe two or three issues before Planet hulk he walked out and two guys were trying to rape a girl and he flat out squeezed the guys head off his shoulders, not saying I wouldnt do the same thing but that is one example I can think of him killing and it is recent.

[StoneGold]

This was, indeed, an awesome issue. It touched off a 12-13 issue run (written by Bill Mantlo) where Hulk was exiled in a "crossroads" where he could travel to limitless different realities. One of the best Hulk story arcs, IMO. Mike Mignola did the covers.
Vaguely familiar to what is happening today.

[Doom]

One interesting point about the Hulk/Sentry.

I agree that Sentry likes the Hulk and treats him well...but he's friends with the Hulk. Not Bruce Banner.

I mean he let's the Hulk sleep on his Kitchen floor. I mean, that's great for the Hulk, but it's basically like treating Bruce Banner like a dog.

Meanwhile, Reed Richards banished the Hulk to another planet, knowing it would have been what Bruce Banner wanted. (I mean that's why he told him, as opposed to not saying anything. He knew Banner would figure it out on his own.) Banner would love to be brought to some where far away from all people so he could live his life out in peace. But that's probably not what the Hulk wants.

So you have an interesting dicothmy. Reed cares for Bruce as a person, but not the Hulk.
While the Sentry cares and befriends the Hulk, yet ignores Bruce Banner.

[TheCrisisKid]

Can someone explain to me, leading from House of M, what happened to the Hulk that made him be sent to another world?

[Crash-Man]

I don't know if it had anything to do with the House of M, but apparently Hulk was tricked into boarding a spacecraft and blasting off into space, far away from, Earth, a few issues ago. Nick Fury, Reed Richards and a few other Marvel higher-ups were involved in the plot.

[drdarthdoom]

Basicly Shield built this "super" satelite that had advanced AI in it and they lost control. Everytime they would send something up to destroy it or shut it down the satelite would absorb it upon itself. Fury tricked Banner into thinking it was a Hydra satilite and the Hulk could smash it without being absorbed. Anyway Hulk finds out its a Shield satelite gets po'd ends up fighting the satelite in robotic form they send a pod up to retrieve the hulk, hulk gets in and finds out that Reed, Iron man and the others decided it was to good of a oppertunity to miss so they picked a planet where he could live out his life alone which he always wanted, hulk smash again screws up the heading and we get Planet hulk (Whew!)

[TheCrisisKid]

That's just messed up. Why did they send the hulk away? If they can trick him into doing things for them, why get rid of him? I can't wait to see the hulk come back to earth and rip Iron Man in half (I can hope).

[chicagokmc]

Ehh...it's pretty common knowledge that Hulk is responsible for many deaths. I can't tell you specifically where they say or if they do....but surely you can't just up and assume nobody has ever been killed by his rampages, plenty of people have. He isn't such a high risk because of collateral damage...when he destroys buildings and throws busses down streets, people die...I never knew that really needed to be addressed, thought it was self implied. I find it strange that a comic book fan doesn't know this, or thinks otherwise.

i definitely disagree with this assessment! if you take the comic book blinders off and look at comic books from a real world perspective, then yes one could assume this. but one could also assume that other rampages, other than hulk rampages, have caused deaths. this means the multiple super villian battles with heroes in manhattan should have also resulted in deaths. it means villian rampages, situations like magneto's takeover of manhattan should have caused deaths. if this was the case, every super hero story could conceivably result in deaths or bad injuries. i think the creators would just as soon gloss over this unless something specifically causing deaths contribute to the story, i.e. the situation with new warriors in the first issue of civil war.

[Hulk_Is]

It is the logical conclusion to make, but Marvel has gone out of their way to state that--through whatever miraculous happenstance--nobody has died during Hulk's rampages. They're not as interested in showing "what would realistically happen", they're interested in keeping the Hulk a hero, and to do that he can't have a death toll.

The latest such assertion was made by She Hulk in her magazine a couple months ago. It was pretty circular logic, I grant you ("he can't have killed anyone, or he would've killed himself right after"), but it just adds to the many instances of people saying that Hulk has never killed.


SEAN

Marvel made it a point to show the extent of the Hulk's rampages, that in turn, reveal that many people die or are hurt.

Also, Banner actually commits suicide in one of the issues of the limited Banner run-- and there is no gloss in these issues.

[Sean Whitmore]

Also, Banner actually commits suicide in one of the issues of the limited Banner run-- and there is no gloss in these issues.


And...the fact that he commited suicide wasn't a hint that the story was non-continuity? ;)


SEAN

[clarkstark]

That's just messed up. Why did they send the hulk away? If they can trick him into doing things for them, why get rid of him? I can't wait to see the hulk come back to earth and rip Iron Man in half (I can hope).


You are FOS if you think the hulk is anything close to a hero. They should have sent him into the sun for all the trouble he has caused. F$%k banner & the hulk!! :evilsmile

[Loestal]

I was under the impression that they are aware that the Cival War was about to take place, and didn't want Hulk involved.

[Dr. Banner]

As far as I know, it's canon that Hulk never killed anyone. I'd be interested in seeing it proven otherwise.

Trauma was killed by the Hulk, and then his father tried to bring him back to life, only to have the Hulk puroposely sabotage that and basically atomize him. The Leader, in 400, would also pretty much say that the Hulk is a murderer.

As for rampages, issue 316, page 3, Dianne Bellamy from the news reports that "Loss of life may yet mount into the hundreds, and property damage has already passed the one billion dollar mark..." while reporting on the destruction of Stoneridge, New Mexico. Hulk's next destroyed city, Jericho, a few issues later, has no casualties, however.

[cable guy]

F$%k banner & the hulk!! :evilsmile

Don't let him here you say that.

He's coming back.

[Crash-Man]

As for rampages, issue 316, page 3, Dianne Bellamy from the news reports that "Loss of life may yet mount into the hundreds, and property damage has already passed the one billion dollar mark..." while reporting on the destruction of Stoneridge, New Mexico. Hulk's next destroyed city, Jericho, a few issues later, has no casualties, however.


Crazy.

And there were no repercussions after that story?

[CMBMOOL]

Just think about it with Thor and Hulk gone the government only problem is the Superheroes themselves. Without the Hulk for the miltary to concentrate on and Thor for no Godly conflict, what else is for the government to do ?

But when the Hulk returns to Earth and the heroes learned of what happened to him it going to be the Hulk with a little marvel heroes army verus the Illumaniti. :D

Let the fun begin!!! :rolleyes:

[Mick Martin]

As far as hulk killing someone, I believe two or three issues before Planet hulk he walked out and two guys were trying to rape a girl and he flat out squeezed the guys head off his shoulders, not saying I wouldnt do the same thing but that is one example I can think of him killing and it is recent.

Actually, no he didn't kill the guy, though the artwork makes it confusing. Hulk grabbed Guy A by the head, Guy B shot at Hulk, and the blood coming from Guy A was from getting accidentally shot by Guy B.

[Mick Martin]

Just wanted to say a few things about the Hulk's exile and how it's going to affect Civil War.

I think the biggest ramification is going to come in the form of what happens to the Illuminati as a result. From the preview pics that were posted from the Illuminati one-shot, I'm guessing that Namor's breaking ranks with the Illuminati is going to have a lot to do with what they've done to Hulk.

Namor and Hulk are rivals, and don't like each other a whole lot, but at the same time they've been allies and Namor has a powerful sense of honor. Namor would gladly fight Hulk to a standstill, and kill him if he could, to defend Atlantis. But tricking him into a satellite and sending him into deep space after he's saved the world? No, that wouldn't jive with Namor just as, I'd argue, it wouldn't jive with other Hulk rivals like Ben Grimm, Thor, and Hercules.

Yes, other members of the Illuminati have been allies and even friends with Hulk and Bruce Banner, but most of them are pure pragmatists. Namor seems, to me at least, like a guy who - though he obviously feels a strong sense of responsibility for his people - would risk the walls of Atlantis itself to uphold his own sense of honor and morality.

I'd wager that the fate of Namorita - whether's she's killed by Nitro's blast or she's the sole, persecuted survivor - will further affect Namor and maybe bring him to the forefront of the conflict (which may be intentional on the part of Marvel - to give him a higher profile in preparation for the film, whenever that comes out).

[CMBMOOL]

I think there was a question to Tom Brevoot into what will happen to those heroes who associated with the Hulk will uncover his exile:

Hey Tom!

With Hulk being sent to space, will we be seeing any reaction from it from Doc Samson and/or She-Hulk

Thanks!



And Tom replys by saying:





Not until they find out about it, if they ever do.

Tom B


So what do you think of this ? :(

[greenlazer]

i dont know alot about hulk but i think that he will like "planet hulk" and want to stay, i mean there are real challenges for hulk on this distant planet and he could become "king hulk" or commander hulk or whatever

someone with hulks ablities is of great vaule on that planet and could end up doing something great. as far as the illuminti i think he will come back and deal or smash them for decieving him and return to planet hulk where he would be needed and valued. mean hulk is basiclly good right but when he hulks out he cant control himself but if he was constantlly at war for a long time he might find some way of balancing the two and get peace or whatever

i have heard that he will definatly come back to earth but who says he is going to stay and with the whole annilatin thing going one maybe they are trying to open up the galaxy some

just some thoughts what do you think

[Leogam]

I dont understand the Deal with the Hulk. I mean how did he manage to sustain a series for so long. Hes a danger to himself and to others, how could the Avengers not make it among thier top priority and keep him contained. In his series its just one fight after another with no consequences, Then hes going to alien worlds to fight some more (a little far fetched & uninteresting action plot if u ask me), it just seems that the writers of the past several years and current ones have a loss of ideas of what to do with the character.

[Will.S]

I dont understand the Deal with the Hulk. I mean how did he manage to sustain a series for so long. Hes a danger to himself and to others, how could the Avengers not make it among thier top priority and keep him contained. In his series its just one fight after another with no consequences, Then hes going to alien worlds to fight some more (a little far fetched & uninteresting action plot if u ask me), it just seems that the writers of the past several years and current ones have a loss of ideas of what to do with the character.
I dunno, Civil War and Planet Hulk seem like a good direction as any to take the character into since they're interesting and new situations.

[Loestal]

I dont understand the Deal with the Hulk. I mean how did he manage to sustain a series for so long. Hes a danger to himself and to others, how could the Avengers not make it among thier top priority and keep him contained. In his series its just one fight after another with no consequences, Then hes going to alien worlds to fight some more (a little far fetched & uninteresting action plot if u ask me), it just seems that the writers of the past several years and current ones have a loss of ideas of what to do with the character.

For one...this isn't how Hulk comics always are. They often deal with Banner's state of mind, past history with his abusive father, relationships. Remember, Hulk really is only a co-star...

As far as containment, usually when Hulk starts getting too out of control Banner runs away and hides in uninhabited areas of the world. Plus, it's really not easy to contain him...and he can also be a great help and a hero in certain situations. And again, remember....they have to deal with whatever they do to Hulk..affects Banner. And the Planet Hulk thing is honestly no more rediculous than any other comic book. To call it uninteresting leads me to believe you aren't reading the current story and have no basis to make your opinions on the character.

Now as far as him wanting to stay there....he doesn't and isn't. They have already said he is going back to earth, and in Planet Hulk he himself said something like "Their machines and super people won't save them" A very menacing statement that I hope will lead to some good reading on his return.

[unkiedev]

I know it's been pointed out here before, but Banner has tried to commit suicide in order to stop the Hulk. Most notable in "Banner" by Brian Azzarelo and Richard Corben.

I support the illuminati decision to blast him into space, and I find it a silly marvel notion that the Hulk has never killed anybody with his rants.

[Loestal]

I know it's been pointed out here before, but Banner has tried to commit suicide in order to stop the Hulk. Most notable in "Banner" by Brian Azzarelo and Richard Corben.

I support the illuminati decision to blast him into space, and I find it a silly marvel notion that the Hulk has never killed anybody with his rants.


Yeah, in my head he has caused deaths....just like in my head Green Goblin raped Gwen.

[unkiedev]

Yeah, in my head he has caused deaths....just like in my head Green Goblin raped Gwen.
GWAAAaaaa! yikes. That's in yer' head, eh? I know how you feel (about believing storylines that Marvel never intended.)

[Wonder Dude]

It's very interesting to see how long the battle lines in this conflict have been drawn. The big switch in this story is that Captain America hasn't gone through the Secret Empire storyline yet.

[Alpow]

It's very interesting to see how long the battle lines in this conflict have been drawn. The big switch in this story is that Captain America hasn't gone through the Secret Empire storyline yet.

I thought Reed helping the Hulk escape the authorities was a more interesting contrast with civil war.

[allanjohnbaihn]

I was wondering how the hulk will affect the civil war and which side will he be on?

[Berkey]

I was wondering how the hulk will affect the civil war and which side will he be on?

well the hulk isn't in the CW but he is responsible for a big push for the SHRA with his latest rampage. He will be comming back after the war in World War Hulk so stay tuned

[-S-Man-]

Well, I don't know if your interested in She-Hulk but in a couple of issues from now she's going to find out who was resposible for he cousins disappearance.

Also, Planet Hulk only has a two more chapters left. I think someone found the ship that he arrived in, so he does have the opportunity to leave after the World War Hulk is over. Thats if he wants to leave the world that he fought so hard for over the past 10 issues or so.

[Kevinroc]

Well, I don't know if your interested in She-Hulk but in a couple of issues from now she's going to find out who was resposible for he cousins disappearance.

Also, Planet Hulk only has a two more chapters left. I think someone found the ship that he arrived in, so he does have the opportunity to leave after the World War Hulk is over. Thats if he wants to leave the world that he fought so hard for over the past 10 issues or so.

Planet Hulk has a few more issues. The last Planet Hulk issue is Incredible Hulk #105. So we've still got a bit of time left.

[Radical]

True. As they've said though, the problem with the Hulk is, whichever side of registration he comes down on, you don't want to be on the other side of. Which would be motivation to get rid of him.

Actually, I think the Hulk would be neutral (wouldn't care one way or the other, so long as he was left alone).

I think Banner would've thought the registration idea was a good thing at first (I read a Secret Wars comic where he says something like "Who better knows the dangers of too much power than the Hulk?"). But stuff like Clor would probably piss him off, and, well, you don't wanna piss Bruce Banner off.

[DoctorDoom]

I think there was a question to Tom Brevoot into what will happen to those heroes who associated with the Hulk will uncover his exile:





And Tom replys by saying:




So what do you think of this ? :(
Can't freakin wait :)