View Full Version : Ms Marvel #1: Good or Bad?
bat2supe
03-03-2006, 12:34 PM
Hi, I know there's already a Ms Marvel tread started, but since it only focus on the "Whose Jessica is that ?" side of the story, I decided to start this one to see what are readers reactions after reading the 1rst issue?
I was really enthusiastic about a Ms Marvel regular because for me she deserved an ongoing or at least a mini for a long time.
If you're not convinced, just take a look at the name, the costume, the powers, the story etc...
So, I read issue 1 & I'm disappointed.
Primo, the art isn't that good (I've hoped to have a better penciller for an issue 1, especially for a serie with that kind of support).
Secundo, Brian Reed played too much the "I'm a loser at the super-hero game" so I hope that will not end by having Ms Marvel trying to be a great super-hero & always failing because that would be boring & too foreseeable.
OK, he's setting the character's goals but that doesn't minimize the doubts.
Tercio, there are some awkward situations, Ms Marvel wanna be a solo hero but at the 1rst shooting star, she runs to Captain America :rolleyes: & Captain America, in the middle of a Hydra vs Shield fight, picks up the phone ???!! Is it Cap or Paris Hilton ?
Plus, somebody should tell the writer that u can't have a phone conversation when u fly at mach 3 (aren't convinced, just try the experiment when you're on a lil' windy street). I wonder where she hides her cellular ?? :p
That's why I'm mitigated by this 1rst issue, I'll give it 2 arcs before deciding if I'll continue or drop.
So: What are your thoughts about this issue??
ChildOfTheDarkholde
03-03-2006, 01:25 PM
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=111646
marvelboi77
03-03-2006, 02:49 PM
I was hoping for a great Ms. Marvel book, but with Giant Size, and the #1 it has not happened. This book isn't even average in my opinion. You know sometime X-Men books are really good for 6 months and then they suck again for 3 years. Well this book is just as bad as the current Uncanny X-men run. I will stay with the book for the long haul, I just hope it finds it's place and improves.
Eumenide No 2
03-03-2006, 03:44 PM
The book wasn't good at all, imo.
It wasn't bad...just meh...nothing that will make you not forget it 5 minutes after reading it.
Black Atom
03-03-2006, 03:53 PM
Slott's She-Hulk makes reading this book embarrassing.
The Shadow
03-03-2006, 04:13 PM
I liked it!
It wasn't the best book I've ever read but it was a fun one.
Red State Cap
03-04-2006, 01:59 AM
I was prepared to give the title a shot, but for a book Marvel is supposedly pushing, this was a huge disappointment.
Did someone actually get paid for writing this book?
RSC
bodie_3_7_ci5
03-04-2006, 02:03 AM
It was great. I have now added it to my pull list
twilight
03-04-2006, 02:09 AM
I liked it.
And I thought the art was pretty damn good.
It was alright. Just alright. I've seen Marvel cancel far better books than this, so as it stands I don't see Ms. Marvel lasting the year unless it really picks up in quality in the next few issues. It's okay, but there's nothing about it that really comes off something to write home about. Mediocre writing mixed with mediocre art.
Ravenheart
03-04-2006, 07:19 AM
I thought the first issue was good for a first issue.It set things up nicely on what we'll see in the future.I liked the artwork and thought it was great seeing the Brood again.Can't wait for next issue :D
I'm in the 'It was OK' camp. I thought the art was great on some panels (the page where she's holding the aloft was very nice) and just mediocre on others.
I hope the storytelling picks up now that her first real threat is upon her.
As an aside, why do CBR posters feel this inane compulsion to post links to similar or related threads the second a new thread goes up? Give it a rest. So what if someone begins a thread that shares a theme with a previous thread. It's a big board for crying out loud. Plenty of room for tangents.
scouse mouse
03-04-2006, 08:38 AM
I liked it. It was a good, solid read nothing mind blowing but fun.
I-M-F
03-04-2006, 09:34 AM
I haven't read it yet as my Monthly shipment hasn't arrived, but I want to know why Marvel are using those second rate Alien Rip-Off, the Brood in the 1st storyline.
I hate space stories like the X-Men/Brood and think that Marvel should had at least gotten the character on solid ground before doing something like this.
This is a sure way of killing the book within the next months.
BTW ............ Anyone fork out there hard earned dosh for the variants.
When will Marvel Learn that Variants are things of the pass and only the completest will collect them and pay stupid prices.
I'llm imagine that Ms Marvel : The Directors Cut is due within the next 2 months.
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
dingo
03-04-2006, 09:40 AM
I haven't read it yet as my Monthly shipment hasn't arrived, but I want to know why Marvel are using those second rate Alien Rip-Off, the Brood in the 1st storyline.
I hate space stories like the X-Men/Brood and think that Marvel should had at least gotten the character on solid ground before doing something like this.
I fail to see how the brood preclude character establishment or development for that matter.
This is a sure way of killing the book within the next months.
BTW ............ Anyone fork out there hard earned dosh for the variants.
When will Marvel Learn that Variants are things of the pass and only the completest will collect them and pay stupid prices.
I'llm imagine that Ms Marvel : The Directors Cut is due within the next 2 months.
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Marvel will stop doing these things when it stops making them money. Annoying as they may be there are "completests" out there who will buy both.
EmmettHULK
03-04-2006, 10:41 AM
I haven't read it yet as my Monthly shipment hasn't arrived, but I want to know why Marvel are using those second rate Alien Rip-Off, the Brood in the 1st storyline.
I hate space stories like the X-Men/Brood and think that Marvel should had at least gotten the character on solid ground before doing something like this.
This is a sure way of killing the book within the next months.
Using the Brood sure didn't kill the X-men when Claremont used them.
(The Brood are quite formidable threats by the way...and just in case you don't know...according to the solicitations and brian Reed, the Brood is on Earth trying to escape from something...
And anything that can make The Brood run in fear must certainly be some kind of threat...
I fail to see how the brood preclude character establishment or development for that matter.
Marvel will stop doing these things when it stops making them money. Annoying as they may be there are "completests" out there who will buy both.
I personally don't mind varient covers one bit. I NEVER buy both, but I do think it's kind of nice to have your choice of covers. Some may like the Cho one, others may prefer Turner.
I go through that each month with IC trying to decide whether I prefer the Perez or the Lee covers.
kcekada
03-04-2006, 01:45 PM
Has potential.
Neither the writer, not the artist are at the top of their game yet. However, I can think of more than a few series that started off with a mediocre first issue before the creative team got it together.
The panels of art I saw for issue 2 look better than this issue. And next issue should be full of action.
Mariah
03-04-2006, 02:16 PM
Has potential.
Neither the writer, not the artist are at the top of their game yet. However, I can think of more than a few series that started off with a mediocre first issue before the creative team got it together.
The panels of art I saw for issue 2 look better than this issue. And next issue should be full of action.
totally agree, I'm hoping that if this initial arc doesn't sit well, that marvel doesn't cancel, but puts someone new on the book, and see if it works for them.
Billy Parker
03-04-2006, 03:32 PM
It was OK. I just wanted a nicer look at her butt!
Neolucifer
03-04-2006, 03:36 PM
It was quite good , even possibly great ! Along her giant sized issue , i loved it .
agrich
03-04-2006, 03:47 PM
I personally don't mind varient covers one bit. I NEVER buy both, but I do think it's kind of nice to have your choice of covers. Some may like the Cho one, others may prefer Turner.
It depends on the choice. Since the Turner cover was 1 out of every 20, I believe, at my comic store on the day it came out the Cho cover was selling for $2.99 and the Turner cover was selling for $20. There's nothing nice about that choice, aside from it being ridiculously easy.
As for the issue itself, I was a little disappointed. I guess there was no real reason to expect excellence, but I was expecting more. I'll give it a couple more issues, but I'm not optimistic I'll be buying it much beyond that.
Dial Tone
03-04-2006, 04:10 PM
I didn't bother.
Seriously, I'm not going to spend 3 bucks for a comic featuring a female superhero unless there is a hook. The hook isn't T and A, as I live in the real world and don't get my fix from a funny book.
She Hulk is something I would buy because of the humor hook that the book has, but I see absolutely no reason to bother with books like Spider-Woman, Ms. Marvel, or any book featuring a solo female hero. If it had a writer AND an artist that I loved, I probably would have tried an issue.
Edward J Cunningham
03-04-2006, 04:34 PM
Tercio, there are some awkward situations, Ms Marvel wanna be a solo hero but at the 1rst shooting star, she runs to Captain America :rolleyes: & Captain America, in the middle of a Hydra vs Shield fight, picks up the phone ???!! Is it Cap or Paris Hilton ?
Obviously, you've never seen Heroes:
"Wait, wait a second....hello?....But I'm fighting Hitler!....IT'S MY DAY OFF!!!!....Fine, I'll be there!"
Eddie Cunningham
protege
03-04-2006, 04:37 PM
On a related note, have you seen the cover for NA#17? If Ms. Marvel has a secret identity, that mask sure isn't helping her keep it...
On a related note, have you seen the cover for NA#17? If Ms. Marvel has a secret identity, that mask sure isn't helping her keep it...
I'm not sure Ms. Marvel actually has a secret identity or not, or if she even cares.
That's the weird thing about Marvel going into Civil Wars... it's funny how so few Marvel heroes acually have secret identities or even care. There's Spidey of course, and Iron Man and DD have had storylines about them trying to keep their identiteis secret after they have been exposed (which kind of puts Iron Man in a weird positon in this Civil War thing), but that's about it.
sschroeder
03-04-2006, 07:57 PM
I didn't bother.
Nobody picks up every new book. I don't, so I don't have a problem with it.
Seriously, I'm not going to spend 3 bucks for a comic featuring a female superhero unless there is a hook. The hook isn't T and A, as I live in the real world and don't get my fix from a funny book.
Yes, they used a Frank Cho cover. Heaven forbid that sold a few extra copies for a new book. I guess it lost you though. The character is beautiful and has a cool costume which suit Mr. Cho's talents. Once on the inside the story had nothing to do with her attractiveness other than possibly raising her media presence down the line. There is no nudity, no spurious bedroom or clothes changing scenes. It was all totally tasteful. Her costume covers more than many and doesn't get in the way. The boots aren't high heels. She dresses like a normal woman when in street clothes. Do many real women look that good or could pull off a super-hero outift like that? No. But the same goes for male super-heroes and regular guys. So your double standard doesn't really hold up.
She Hulk is something I would buy because of the humor hook that the book has, but I see absolutely no reason to bother with books like Spider-Woman, Ms. Marvel, or any book featuring a solo female hero. If it had a writer AND an artist that I loved, I probably would have tried an issue.
How is this different from solo books with male characters?
You might be worried that this book "all female" in tone. It wasn't. Yes, she talks to her female friend over lunch. But they are talking about things of general concern to people.
Ms. Marvel doesn't have some creepy pheromone power like Spider-Woman (circa New Avengers # 8). Her flying and strength are abilities suited to solo adventuring and handling different threats. The approach is that she has it in mind to become the best super-hero that she can be. Not amazing, but I'm willing to give such a simple and honest approach a try.
And I've been looking to add a solo book for a character I don't know that much about. This has an intriguing package. It didn't hurt that she's an attractive woman and I mostly read books with lead guys at the moment. So variety is a plus. Plus she's got the company name too, so there's some incentive for them to get behind this and make it work.
I'm not saying you need to try this particular book right now. I'm not ready to recommend it yet. And if you just need to come up with reasons to save your money that's fine too. But I don't think you could convince many people that only reading about female characters when they have suitably attached gimmicks is a good way to pick out comics. Female characters could never have starring solo roles in the Marvel Universe if held to that standard.
Spiderchick1974
03-04-2006, 08:21 PM
Ms. Marvel doesn't have some creepy pheromone power like Spider-Woman (circa New Avengers # 8).
Not to be nit-picky, but your post should read: "...circa Spider-Woman # 1, 1978"
She has always had the pheromeones that repel some people, and atract others. That was not a Bendis creation.
sschroeder
03-04-2006, 08:28 PM
Not to be nit-picky, but your post should read: "...circa Spider-Woman # 1, 1978"
She has always had the pheromeones that repel some people, and atract others. That was not a Bendis creation.
Didn't mean to imply that it was. It was the only SW related issue I had and knew about where she mentioned this. She had the powers in the issue I mentioned, so I think my usage could be considered correct.
Didn't mean to anger any Spider-Woman fans either. She could very well be interesting and capable of solo adventuring (heck, I'll probably try Bendis and Maleev's upcoming effort). My impressions of the character are completely superficial from a couple NA issues.
Spiderchick1974
03-04-2006, 08:46 PM
Didn't mean to anger any Spider-Woman fans either. She could very well be interesting and capable of solo adventuring (heck, I'll probably try Bendis and Maleev's upcoming effort). My impressions of the character are completely superficial from a couple NA issues.
I wasn't angered or anything like that by your post. :)
I thought you were saying that her pheromones were an invention of Bendis...
No problem...we are all entitled to like and dislike anything we do... :)
I thought Ms.Marvel was ok.
It will probably pick up steam by issue # 2.
Dermie
03-04-2006, 08:50 PM
Captain America, in the middle of a Hydra vs Shield fight, picks up the phone ???!! Is it Cap or Paris Hilton ?
This is nothing new--the Avengers have been known to answer calls during combat situations before; it may be something relevant.
Plus, somebody should tell the writer that u can't have a phone conversation when u fly at mach 3 (aren't convinced, just try the experiment when you're on a lil' windy street).
Keep in mind that she wouldn't be using a regular phone, but rather some ultra high-tech phone designed by Tony Stark that is capable of things regular phones can't. :)
I'm not sure Ms. Marvel actually has a secret identity or not, or if she even cares.
Carol has given up her secret identity recently, when she started her blog as seen in NA #15.
Carol has given up her secret identity recently, when she started her blog as seen in NA #15.
Wow... just like that.
It's funny how DC heroes in general take their secret identities so seriously, while in Marvel with a FEW exceptions like Spiderman, it's such an irrelavent issue (or at least it's been pretty irrelavent so far).
I guess it's less of an issue when you really don't have any rogues in your gallery like Carol. Though she'll probably pick up a few new ones now.. Klaw probably will sign up for that list if he could.
Capt USA
03-04-2006, 10:29 PM
Wow... just like that.
It's funny how DC heroes in general take their secret identities so seriously, while in Marvel with a FEW exceptions like Spiderman, it's such an irrelavent issue (or at least it's been pretty irrelavent so far).
I guess it's less of an issue when you really don't have any rogues in your gallery like Carol. Though she'll probably pick up a few new ones now.. Klaw probably will sign up for that list if he could.
you mean dc heroes like wally west? I think that it just depends upon who the writer is whether they take their secret identies seriously. Wally West is the only character I know of that has had an extended time period where his identity was known. (I keep thinking ralph digby is also a public id, but I don't know for sure, same with the atom)
Captain America has lost his secret id several times, but it's usually for just a short period (although, really he has the least need of a secret id than anybody in either universe)
you mean dc heroes like wally west? I think that it just depends upon who the writer is whether they take their secret identies seriously. Wally West is the only character I know of that has had an extended time period where his identity was known. (I keep thinking ralph digby is also a public id, but I don't know for sure, same with the atom)
Captain America has lost his secret id several times, but it's usually for just a short period (although, really he has the least need of a secret id than anybody in either universe)
Yeah, that's the thing... it doesn't seem to matter if Cap loses his secret identity. He's got no life outside of being Captain America so really does he even have an identity to lose?
Carol seems to be in that same boat since she basically gave up her identity without a big fuss. But unlike Cap, I think she does have some family out there to protect. I guess it's just weird that Marvel charactrs don't have the same concerns DC ones had with that whole Identity Crisis thing. Maybe Marvel just has nicer villians or something.
Violently Apathetic
03-04-2006, 10:37 PM
you mean dc heroes like wally west? I think that it just depends upon who the writer is whether they take their secret identies seriously. Wally West is the only character I know of that has had an extended time period where his identity was known. (I keep thinking ralph digby is also a public id, but I don't know for sure, same with the atom)
Ralph's is known, as is the Atom's ( I believe, anyway) Most of the rest have managed to keep them under wraps, though it's a bit of a running joke that anyone with half a brain can guess Ollie's...
milly3cat
03-04-2006, 10:38 PM
The issue is good and I will buy the next one.
twilight
03-04-2006, 10:44 PM
The issue is good and I will buy the next one.
Ms.Marvel fans of Perth unite! :D
Ralph's is known, as is the Atom's ( I believe, anyway) Most of the rest have managed to keep them under wraps, though it's a bit of a running joke that anyone with half a brain can guess Ollie's...
At least Ollie wears a mask. That's still one step beyond Superman.
Capt USA
03-04-2006, 11:25 PM
At least Ollie wears a mask. That's still one step beyond Superman.
superman supposedly 'vibrates' to hide his identity, same with jay garrick. I still don't see the 'secret id' being held onto more guardedly in dc than marvel. maybe on the big guns but on the whole, I think I can name a lot more dc characters who's id is public than marvel. or if it's not public, it's pretty obvious(see kyle rayner who was dating jade, while she was 'teaming' up with gl)
I always thought that wally west had the most interesting take on the whole super hero id, the flash is probably the most celebrated hero by his home city(including superman) yet he went around for a long time period without any secret id.
superman supposedly 'vibrates' to hide his identity, same with jay garrick. I still don't see the 'secret id' being held onto more guardedly in dc than marvel. maybe on the big guns but on the whole, I think I can name a lot more dc characters who's id is public than marvel. or if it's not public, it's pretty obvious(see kyle rayner who was dating jade, while she was 'teaming' up with gl)
I always thought that wally west had the most interesting take on the whole super hero id, the flash is probably the most celebrated hero by his home city(including superman) yet he went around for a long time period without any secret id.
You can see how guarded the issue is from the whole Identity Crisis story arc. They were mindwiping villians who knew their identity (and even mind wiping other heroes who might stop them from mindwiping other villians). And when the cat was out of the bag, we did see a few casualties and near casualties here and there.
Mindwiping people into forgetting your identity is a pretty big leap from publishing it for the whole world to see on your internet blog.
Capt USA
03-04-2006, 11:51 PM
You can see how guarded the issue is from the whole Identity Crisis story arc. They were mindwiping villians who knew their identity (and even mind wiping other heroes who might stop them from mindwiping other villians). And when the cat was out of the bag, we did see a few casualties and near casualties here and there.
Mindwiping people into forgetting your identity is a pretty big leap from publishing it for the whole world to see on your internet blog.
but the mindwiping was a retcon so I'm not that concerned with that, I don't think it really shows how important secret id's are outside of that particular storyline, plus when you look at that book and compare it to every other appearances ever by the stars of the series, you have to realize how dumb it was how they handled it. I mean ollie who has spent 40? years railing against big brother yet he participates in a mindwipe? gimme a break. If you ignore identity crisis, where else has the secret identity been a big deal for a character in dc? (excluding batman of course, and to a lesser extent superman)
but the mindwiping was a retcon so I'm not that concerned with that, I don't think it really shows how important secret id's are outside of that particular storyline, plus when you look at that book and compare it to every other appearances ever by the stars of the series, you have to realize how dumb it was how they handled it. I mean ollie who has spent 40? years railing against big brother yet he participates in a mindwipe? gimme a break. If you ignore identity crisis, where else has the secret identity been a big deal for a character in dc? (excluding batman of course, and to a lesser extent superman)
I think the whole point of Identity Crisis is that their identities weren't a big deal because they kept mind wiping everyone so it wouldn't be a big deal. The ones that were really concerned about their identities (Batman and Superman) were the ones that weren't in on it.
Capt USA
03-05-2006, 12:13 AM
I think the whole point of Identity Crisis is that their identities weren't a big deal because they kept mind wiping everyone so it wouldn't be a big deal. The ones that were really concerned about their identities (Batman and Superman) were the ones that weren't in on it.
that makes what the "heroes" did even more evil to be honest.
that makes what the "heroes" did even more evil to be honest.
I certainly wouldn't disagree with that.
I-M-F
03-05-2006, 05:08 AM
(The Brood are quite formidable threats by the way...and just in case you don't know...according to the solicitations and brian Reed, the Brood is on Earth trying to escape from something...
And anything that can make The Brood run in fear must certainly be some kind of threat...
So where have the brood been hiding for all these years?
Charces are that the brood are running away from my team of X-Men in "Legends 2" on my X-Box :D
But really, I don't care for the brood and would had like MM to go up against a bad guy/girl in the first couple of issues and weave the brood as a back story. bring it forward slowly over a number of issues, like Claremont did with his early X-Men work.
Introduce something early, tease and the remind people every so oftern until
BANG it's in your face
Haunt
03-05-2006, 01:15 PM
Ralph's is known, as is the Atom's ( I believe, anyway) Most of the rest have managed to keep them under wraps, though it's a bit of a running joke that anyone with half a brain can guess Ollie's...
everyone from Ray Palmer's hometown knows that he's the Atom. he teaches/taught at the college that he attended. and actually gave his students the go ahead to cheat by leaving the answers to all of his exams on top of the desk in his office. of course, his office is within the classroom but atom-sized.
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