What other wars do you want to see? [Archive]

Mister Mets

03-02-2006, 11:30 AM

DC has recently realized that by naming a book "Crisis" they can create a franchise of crossovers.
Crisis of Infinite Earths
Identity Crisis
Crisis of multiple Earths (a TPB of Silver age reprints.)
Infinite Crisis

Marvel seems to be doing the same with the word "War"
Secret Wars
Secret Wars 2
Ultimate War
Secret War
And now...
Civil War.
I don't know if Ultimate war was meant to be associated with the Secret Wars franchise, but "War" does seem to be Marvel's epic franchise. Their chief problem is that Secret Wars 1 has not been as well received as the Crisis of Infinite Earths, and Secret War hasn't been as well received as Identity Crisis.
However, I'm certain if "Civil War" is popular, there will be more wars in the future.

So my question-
Should Marvel make future "War" comics?
If so- what?

I personally think it would be wise for Marvel to sparingly make epic "War" sagas. Look at how interest in Countdown increased when people discovered that it was "Countdown to Infinite Crisis." However the stories would have to have a permanent impact on many Marvel books/ characters, be excellent works by a-list talent, and be limited to three a decade.

Capt USA

03-02-2006, 11:46 AM

secret wars was well received for what it was, it was never intended to be the earth spanning epic that was crisis. I mean it was very successful series and obviously less complicated than crisis which could be a good thing.

I have no idea why infinity crisis is so well received, I know that Marvel under Queseda has been accused of ignoring continuity to further a plot, but that is better than ignoring whole sale personalities to shoe horn a ridiculous plot into an event.

having said that, it still was ten times better than the most recent secret war. Oh well, they can't all be homeruns. I imagine that civil war has a chance to be good, but who knows how they'll handle it, if they follow the dc bit and re-write characters personality to fit them into the writers view(which scares me, since Millar has captain america being a right wing tool in ultimates, who knows what damage he may do to the real captain)

ok, other wars, how about a war of the gods that is actually good(not that unreadeable garbage that dc did a few years back) and instead of just featuring asgaradians/greek bring in others. (it's been somewhat done in the past, but a grand adventure with pawns chosen from different sides, different pantheons teaming up to take out others etc. Not exactly sure how I'll do it but it could be done)

the other obvious is war against the mutants. Maybe have someone decide to take out all the mutants and the true heroes(cap, spidey etc) of the marvel universe have to help out. I'm sure elements of this is already creaping into the x-verse anyway and it won't be a company wide crossover.

Dark Soul # 7

03-02-2006, 12:26 PM

having said that, it still was ten times better than the most recent secret war. Oh well, they can't all be homeruns. I imagine that civil war has a chance to be good, but who knows how they'll handle it, if they follow the dc bit and re-write characters personality to fit them into the writers view(which scares me, since Millar has captain america being a right wing tool in ultimates, who knows what damage he may do to the real captain) Ult.Captain America, and everybody else in the Ultimate universe for that matter, is supposed to be different from 616 Captain America, that´s the point of the Ult.U.
Don´t worry, Millar handles established characters very well without changing their personalities. His run on Marvel Knights: Spider-man had some of the best charcater moments in years for Spidey, his supporting cast and his rogue gallery.

Capt USA

03-02-2006, 12:29 PM

Ult.Captain America, and everybody else in the Ultimate universe for that matter, is supposed to be different from 616 Captain America, that´s the point of the Ult.U.
Don´t worry, Millar handles established characters very well without changing their personalities. His run on Marvel Knights: Spider-man had some of the best charcater moments in years for Spidey, his supporting cast and his rogue gallery.

I'm hoping so, I know they are supposed to be different, I'm just afraid that Millar doesn't reallize that the facist cap he makes is completly out of character with the real cap.

ducklord

03-02-2006, 12:57 PM

Hmmm...

Marvel: Culture War - In which the various old fuddy-duddies of the Marvel U (Captain America, Iron Man, Reed Richards, Dr. Strange) get up in arms about the "noise" the younger heroes listen to on their "newfangled iPods" 'n' such. Spider-Man is caught in the middle.

Marvel: War on Terror - All the bright shiny heroes of the Marvel U, led by Captain America, decide to proactively take on the various Marvel heroes and villains whose modus operandi involves scaring the bejebus out of people (Nightmare, Cloak, Moon Knight, Punisher, etc.). The half-shiny/half-scary Spider-Man finds himself caught in the middle.

Marvel: War of 1812 - Chuck Dixon pens this thematic sequel to Neil Gaiman's popular 1602 mini-series, as various familiar Marvel characters find themselves cast on either side of the battle to secure a young democracy's independence. Will the fate of America come down to the decision of a young Spyder-Man, caught in the middle?

Marvel: War (Huh) What is is Good For? - When the United States finds itself mired in an unpopular war, Marvel's super-heroic community is split in two, as many of its most popular characters take to the street in protest. As one might guess, Spider-Man is caught in the middle.

Marvel: Star Wars - In a controversial move, George Lucas approves approves a 12-issue crossover between the mightiest heroes of the Marvel U and the "galaxy far, far away." After Galactus eats the Death Star, a young Spider-Man finds himself caught in the middle between the Dark and Light Side of the Force.

With apologies,
Mike.

ducklord

03-02-2006, 01:09 PM

Oh wait, how could I forget...

Marvel: War on Christmas - After Mephisto disguises himself as a bloviating talk show host, many of Marvel's greatest champions are brainwashed into thinking that conspiracy is afoot to wipe Christams from the face of the calendar. Science teacher Spider-Man, beholden to defend both Christams and the Constitution, is predictably caught in the middle.

M.

anthony!

03-02-2006, 02:28 PM

Marvel seems to be doing the same with the word "War"
Secret Wars
Secret Wars 2
Ultimate War
Secret War
And now...
Civil War.
I don't know if Ultimate war was meant to be associated with the Secret Wars franchise, but "War" does seem to be Marvel's epic franchise. Their chief problem is that Secret Wars 1 has not been as well received as the Crisis of Infinite Earths, and Secret War hasn't been as well received as Identity Crisis.
However, I'm certain if "Civil War" is popular, there will be more wars in the future.

Wasn't there also an "Asguardian War" a few years back? And I think Atlantis Attacks was a good title. "Acts of Vengeance" I think gets the props for best concept (the villains switch heroes in an effort to defeat them, ie Magneto vs. Spider-man, Mandarin vs. X-Men, etc). Its a cliche idea now, but at the time was rather novel.

With the MU about to be full of mutliple races human/superhuman, mutant, inhuman, eternal perhaps they could have a RACE WAR between all these houses.

Maybe a fight over who will be the governing authority on earth?

Mister Mets

03-03-2006, 01:24 PM

I'm hoping so, I know they are supposed to be different, I'm just afraid that Millar doesn't reallize that the facist cap he makes is completly out of character with the real cap.

I actually consider Ultimates Volume 1 to be one of the best Captain America stories ever. I really don't see Cap as a fascist.
I should note that I am a registered republican.

Dark Soul # 7

03-03-2006, 01:31 PM

Marvel seems to be doing the same with the word "War"
Secret Wars
Secret Wars 2
Ultimate War
Secret War
And now...
Civil War. Wasn't there also an "Asgardian War" a few years back?Don´t forget about the Avengers/Defenders war and the Kree/Skrull war.

I´ve always thought that Latveria, Wakanda and Atlantis or something should have some kind of real war.

Capt USA

03-03-2006, 01:56 PM

I actually consider Ultimates Volume 1 to be one of the best Captain America stories ever. I really don't see Cap as a fascist.
I should note that I am a registered republican.

well real cap is closer to as nuetral as you can get, with a few liberal tendencies, mostly due to the fact that he was born poor, spent half his life during the great depression and worshipped FDR. The cap that is being used in ultimates is closer to a cap that would have been created in the 50's at the height of the red scare. I understand that he would have 'old fashioned values' I just think that Millar completly missed what old fashioned values he would have.

I know he is a different cap, and I do think he is my favorite ultimate character still, just wished he had a little less wolverine/punisher in him and a tad more Steve Rogers the real captain america in him.

I can't see how anyone that likes cap, could think this was his best story, it was a nice kicking of the heiny story, but it doesn't hold a candle to what is going over in current real cap comics or man without a country or episodes where he gave up his costume. (among half a dozen other storylines) Mind you the entire story of the ultimates was great and cap was very good in it, it's just not the same cap that I feel is a personification of an ideal instead of personification of a soldier.

Bearpod91

03-03-2006, 05:04 PM

Was there ever a time where villians just started fighting each other and didn't care about anything else but killing the competition. I would like to see that if it was good.

lordlad

03-03-2006, 07:51 PM

Marvel: Cosmic War :D

Nick Kal

03-03-2006, 11:44 PM

War Crisis! Totally hot comic of the millenium.

Cayman

03-04-2006, 11:25 AM

Maybe the magical war hinted at in the cancelled Nightcrawler title.

Cay

StoneGold

03-04-2006, 01:11 PM

I'm hoping so, I know they are supposed to be different, I'm just afraid that Millar doesn't reallize that the facist cap he makes is completly out of character with the real cap.
I wouldn't worry too much. They seem to have Cap leading the anti-registration group.

Granted, in our world, anti-registration would be pro-vigilante, which I think would end up being some kind of bizarre, right wing libertarian type movement. But I'm pretty sure Marvel is using super powers as some kind of free speech/civil liberties type parable, so that keeps Cap within the liberal tendencies camp.

For the record, I was nervous at first too. But the whole point of Ultimate Cap was to write him differently from the Original Recipe version.

Iron Syndicate

03-04-2006, 02:21 PM

well real cap is closer to as nuetral as you can get, with a few liberal tendencies, mostly due to the fact that he was born poor, spent half his life during the great depression and worshipped FDR. The cap that is being used in ultimates is closer to a cap that would have been created in the 50's at the height of the red scare. I understand that he would have 'old fashioned values' I just think that Millar completly missed what old fashioned values he would have.

I know he is a different cap, and I do think he is my favorite ultimate character still, just wished he had a little less wolverine/punisher in him and a tad more Steve Rogers the real captain america in him.

I can't see how anyone that likes cap, could think this was his best story, it was a nice kicking of the heiny story, but it doesn't hold a candle to what is going over in current real cap comics or man without a country or episodes where he gave up his costume. (among half a dozen other storylines) Mind you the entire story of the ultimates was great and cap was very good in it, it's just not the same cap that I feel is a personification of an ideal instead of personification of a soldier.

I think the main thing to remember here is culture shock.

616 Cap was woken in the 60's where things were mellower, and America dominated the world.

Ult. Cap was woken in a post 9-11 world, where cynicism reigns supreme. He just woke up and was thrown, head first, into this struggle, where America is CONSTANTLY under attack (wether it be physical, political, etc.). This would sure cause someone to act differently...

anthony!

03-04-2006, 04:21 PM

War Crisis! Totally hot comic of the millenium.

I think you mean "Secret Civil Countdown to Infinite War on the House of Crisis"!

After this event, nothing will ever be the same!!!!!!

Joe Acro

03-04-2006, 05:01 PM

I want a war that will bring the Shi'ar to its knees. Them being the only major party in the cosmos after the Kree/Skrull War. I just feel that if the galactic empire were stripped apart, the universe outside of Earth would be a whole lot more interesting, especially given that there would a HUGE power vacuum.

xakko

03-04-2006, 05:35 PM

I think the main thing to remember here is culture shock.

616 Cap was woken in the 60's where things were mellower, and America dominated the world.

Ult. Cap was woken in a post 9-11 world, where cynicism reigns supreme. He just woke up and was thrown, head first, into this struggle, where America is CONSTANTLY under attack (wether it be physical, political, etc.). This would sure cause someone to act differently...
As opposed the WWII America, where his life was a constant battle all the time? I would've thought he'd be better prepared for it- except for the lackadaisical manner to which Americans dealt with their current "war"- not being expected to surrender any of their comforts (just as few of their liberties), whereas 1930's Americans had restrictions in both areas.

Doom Hammer

03-04-2006, 07:25 PM

Ooh! Ooh!

The Titannus War!

And the Destiny War!

You forgot 'em!

Capt USA

03-04-2006, 07:39 PM

I think the main thing to remember here is culture shock.

616 Cap was woken in the 60's where things were mellower, and America dominated the world.

Ult. Cap was woken in a post 9-11 world, where cynicism reigns supreme. He just woke up and was thrown, head first, into this struggle, where America is CONSTANTLY under attack (wether it be physical, political, etc.). This would sure cause someone to act differently...

that is a pretty good point actually. Although I would argue that 60's were less under attack, there was vietnam going on, the entire counter-culture and drug thing going on. I mean america was much more under attack internally than they were in the 90's/2000. I still think that ultimate cap is portrayed closer to what a person in the 50's would imagine a captain america would be like.

Crash-Man

03-05-2006, 03:25 PM

Siddon

03-05-2006, 04:52 PM

War Disassembled -

Dr. Doom! Kang! Dracula! Ultron! Kingpin! will not be in this 8 part story as Spider-man and Logan sit on a bench talking about how stupid wars are.

Tommy

03-05-2006, 07:07 PM

War of the Worlds: Attilan declares war on America for its brand new lunar colony. Eventually Spider-Man points out that the moon is not a "world." The Inhumans give up and go home.

War and Peace: Black Widow and Colossus get married to the background of a war between Latveria and Wakanda.

Portuguese Man O'War: Atlantis declares war on America and attacks with a large number of deadly jellyfish. Fortunately Wasp, She-Hulk, Rachel Grey, Spider-Woman, Polaris, and Beast all got trained as lifeguards. But can they clear the beaches of all the swimmers without any one getting injured? Especially when our heroes are running in slow motion?

Cold War: Iceman gets fed up with always being the immature X-man. As he is traveling around New York he runs into Blizzard. The two fight, forcing all of Marvel to choose which side they are on in this cold, cold war.

Tennoarashi

03-05-2006, 09:45 PM

Big War: It's a BIG WAR! The likes of which you've never seen! The Marvel Universe will never be the same again for 3 months! Then watch out for INTERWAR! What happens when superheroes find out what their colleagues REALLY THINK on message boards?! Tempers flare, families shatter and Bobbies cry!

JuggernautRM

03-05-2006, 10:37 PM

The PAJAMA WAR!!. Where all the female heroes of the marvel universe have a pajama party and have a giant pillow fight.

mattpsy2k

03-05-2006, 10:53 PM

Marvel did in the past the Infinity War. I think Marvel partially borrowed Infinity because they also did Infinity Gauntlet before Inf. War and the last is Infinity Crusade. How about Evolutionary War?

Titan76

03-06-2006, 03:23 AM

The Cosmic War: I would like to see wars with the Shi'ar, Kree, Skrulls, Brood, Phalanx, and some new Empires out there but the wars would be more in depth rather then finishing in just a three part story in Avengers or the X-men. They should do minis for these, maybe a 12 issue series every now and then.

The Pantheon War: Since it was shown in Infinity Gauntlet that there are 8 skyfathers each whom has a race of Gods they should have a war. Hell, include Titan since Asguardian is no longer there. Heck, that could be the reason for them going to war. Since Asguardian is no longer here the balance of power between the other Gods is no longer there because Asguardian was the Super Power, now they fight over to see who will be the new Super Power.

Latveria/Genosia War: When Magneto and Doom where in charge and Genosia hadn't be destroyed. Would have been a nice war to have seen happen.

Atlantis against anyone: I don't care who but Atlantis needs to fight someone. Infact Atlantis against America or China might be good.

Rutsah

03-06-2006, 07:10 PM

As opposed the WWII America, where his life was a constant battle all the time? I would've thought he'd be better prepared for it- except for the lackadaisical manner to which Americans dealt with their current "war"- not being expected to surrender any of their comforts (just as few of their liberties), whereas 1930's Americans had restrictions in both areas.
Seriously, I thought I came here to read about comics not someone's lamea$$ politics.

Loestal

03-06-2006, 08:15 PM

The Purple Skull

03-06-2006, 10:12 PM

Well in She-Hulk there was mention of a Reckoning War.

Personally, I would like to see a war with the big villains of the Marvel Universe. Imagine the likes of Dr. Doom, Kang, Magneto, Red Skull, and Mandarin each making super-villain camps?

Hellfan

03-07-2006, 01:41 AM

I actually consider Ultimates Volume 1 to be one of the best Captain America stories ever. I really don't see Cap as a fascist.

Heard! I also fail to see him as the fascist jerk everyone thinks he is - maybe it's because I've never read a MU Cap story?

I actually like him.

StoneGold

03-07-2006, 01:45 AM

Heard! I also fail to see him as the fascist jerk everyone thinks he is - maybe it's because I've never read a MU Cap story?

I actually like him.
I think the fascist jerk gets played a little heavy. He's definitely a jerk, but fascist is going a little far.

Shellhead

03-07-2006, 09:23 AM

Was there ever a time where villians just started fighting each other and didn't care about anything else but killing the competition. I would like to see that if it was good.

Back in the mid-70s, there was a lengthy storyline in Iron Man called the Supervillain Contest, or something like that. A mysterious figure named the Black Lama (like Dalai Lama, not like the camel-like creature) set up a contest between super-villains where the winner would get this powerful artifact... some glowing globe thingie.

That storyline had some great potential, but it should have crossed over into other titles at least a little, or at least included more villains. Even so, it was pretty wild when Yellow Claw killed Mandarin! Mandarin eventually came back a couple of years later by arcane means, but that original body was dead as a doorknob.

The ending was oddly disappointing. A random Iron Man villain accidentally won, because he showed up to settle an old grudge right around the time that Iron Man was whupping on the villain that was about to win the contest. Black Lama turned out to be an exile from an alternate Earth, and the artifact was designed to drain energy from the winning villain to open up a portal to that other Earth. That could have been cool, especially when Iron Man and that random villain followed him thru the portal, but the other Earth just wasn't cool or interesting, and it just became a mildly exotic setting for a couple more standard hero vs villain fights.

Simon Garth

03-07-2006, 10:21 AM

I'm waiting for Marvel: Uncivil War - Jarvis and Aunt May team up to battle bad grammer, impoliteness and rude people throughout the Marvel Universe

valentine

03-07-2006, 10:22 AM

Marvel: War (Huh) What is is Good For? - When the United States finds itself mired in an unpopular war, Marvel's super-heroic community is split in two, as many of its most popular characters take to the street in protest. As one might guess, Spider-Man is caught in the middle.

Love the title! :p

~V

Erik Lehnsherr

03-07-2006, 02:11 PM

What other wars? There was once a Iron Man fan fic that rampanted through the Net that had a world where Doom had taken over the European/Asian/Australian countries while Magneto had taken over both Americas/Africa with Iron Man stuck in the middle. He had to figure out who was easier to stragetically takedown and make his best move to go after them before a worldwide implosion would happen because of the upcoming Magneto/Doom world war. It's a pity a story like that can't ever happen without it being retconned as a alternate world. Would be masterful if you could see Doom and Magneto team up, takeover the world, and eventually give in to infighting. The ultimate fan favorite villian fight...Magneto vs Dr. Doom at LONG last. :D :cool: