Madrox and Sexual Orientation...

[Brian M.]

Ok this question came to me in X-Cres...

If Madrox made duplicates of himself and had sex with them...does that make the sex act an orgy or masterbation? Also would that make Madrox gay? Pandora's Box I know.

Discuss.

[Tommy]

According to Madrox's series, he probably is gay anyways.

And I would say it would be an orgy of masturbation.

[Hi-Fi]

I think PAD should adress the question in X-Factor. Morrison already teased about it in New X-Men.

[Arrjay]

it would be an orgy of masterbation.

Actually, it'd be an orgy of masturbation.

But yeah, you got it I think.

[Beast]

I'll take 'Orgy of Masterbation' for the win. :)

[Novaya Havoc]

I picked incest. Same DNA and all. :p

http://www.lardlad.com/framegrabs/GABF04/149.jpg

[Tommy]

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/6383/madrox6dg.th.jpg (http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=madrox6dg.jpg)

[Radical_dreamer]

urgh. cant belive im providing an actual answer to this.....incestuous homosexuality because the clones share his genetic material and are independent male bodies.

[Novaya Havoc]

urgh. cant belive im providing an actual answer to this.....incestuous homosexuality

Dude... now he's the living whipping boy for "family values" republicans. :p

[Brian M.]

See this isn't a joke...it's an actually questions I have.

[Beast]

urgh. cant belive im providing an actual answer to this.....incestuous homosexuality because the clones share his genetic material and are independent male bodies.
Nope, he'd be an incestious bisexual. He's made time with the ladies. :)

[Tommy]

Nope, he'd be an incestious bisexual. He's made time with the ladies. :)
That was just because he was confused. He didn't enjoy making out with women during the Madrox mini. Or they could just be rogue dupes.

[Hi-Fi]

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/1236/pg16madroxno38zp.th.jpg (http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pg16madroxno38zp.jpg)

Madrox looks like Mark Ruffalo in that pic.

[lament]

I picked "Big Gay Orgy," but I thought about picking "Masturbation." Either way, I like it. What?

[X-Ray]

I say its masterbation. He's pleasuring himself, not another man. That's the key. If men could do themselves, a la Madrox, I doubt any man would be gay in the first place, or at the most just won't do women.

[Tennoarashi]

I say it's heaven.

[Mitsaso]

I don't care what it is, I would just jump right in!!!! :D

[The Lucky One]

Well, he'd be sleeping with someone who has the exact same DNA but is different in personality... so, in essence, his identical twin. In which case it'd be incest. And unless all parties involved are A) female and B) hot Japanese schoolgirls, that just ain't cool, chum.

-D

[streator]

i would think it would make him gay. having a sexual relationship with a member of the same sex (even if they look exactly like you) is still acting in a homosexual manner. pad is writing madrox's dupes as their own characters, a la not exactly jamie. so he would be having a sexual relationship with someone that looks exactly like him but doesn't think exactly like him. i would consider that to be homosexual.

[HellFrost]

I say masterbation!

Is anyone else into Yu-Gi-Oh!? My friend Katelyn is obsessed and writes fanfin (the slashy gay kind) and has entertained me with Yami/Yugi, and to make myself not get grossed out... I thought of it as masterbation!

[ibrakeforchinwe]

Its everything.

We know one of his dupes is gay. I'm sure he has done stuff with a dupe just to try it out. I mean a dog licks himself cuz he can right?

I dunno. I think itd be funny for Jamie to walk in on his gay dupe having sex with a man. :D

[Nyssane]

I dunno. I think itd be funny for Jamie to walk in on his gay dupe having sex with a man. :D

LOL! That'd be hilarious. And god, Madrox is so hot. Especially in his mini. But yeah, as he said, "We all have a bit of that in us, don't we?" I dunno if his dupes would be up for having an orgy, though. Most of them are probably straight, though there is that one gay dupe that I'm sure the main Madrox has shagged plenty of times.

[Roads]

I say its masterbation. He's pleasuring himself, not another man. That's the key. If men could do themselves, a la Madrox, I doubt any man would be gay in the first place, or at the most just won't do women.



I agree with that. It's like a woman tasting herself before a guy ***'s *** *** just be sure she's .....just right :D , that doesn't make her lesbian or incestful.

I gotta ask. "X-Ray"? Was you Ray then you became Rachel, thus X-Ray??

Sorry, I had to ask. Just funnin'.

[Frank]

I say it`s the Aristocrats Part 2.

[Neolucifer]

See this isn't a joke...it's an actually questions I have.

Seriously a few of his dupe are probably gay .

[Nick Kal]

masterbation, son.

[Rachel Grey]

I say masterbation!

Is anyone else into Yu-Gi-Oh!? My friend Katelyn is obsessed and writes fanfin (the slashy gay kind) and has entertained me with Yami/Yugi, and to make myself not get grossed out... I thought of it as masterbation!

Wha? But Yami's just a spirit in Yugi's head how cant they? No. I dont want to know.

[TimGunn]

that's hot, if i could do that, i would never leave the house

[Alex A Sanchez]

i would think it would make him gay. having a sexual relationship with a member of the same sex (even if they look exactly like you) is still acting in a homosexual manner. pad is writing madrox's dupes as their own characters, a la not exactly jamie. so he would be having a sexual relationship with someone that looks exactly like him but doesn't think exactly like him. i would consider that to be homosexual.

Geez- where do you people get your definition of gay from? Just because someone kisses or hookes up with a person of the opposite sex does not make them gay! Homosexuality is a sexual orientation. Its defined by who the person is and how they express themselves sexually. It is not defined by their actions.

Back to Madrox: Just because he didn't enjoy kissing a girl doesn't mean he is gay- it was a one time event. Being depressed or extremely anxious or guilty can also ruin the experience of a relationship. Remember, one of his dupes was involved with Siryn (and I'm pretty sure they f*cked).

As far as one of his dupes being gay- PAD is pretty sophisticated when it comes to psychological knowledge. We all have a need for identification: an attraction to what is similar to ourselves. This is why similar people tend to gather into groups in high school: its the period in our lives when most of us create our adult identity. In this sense, we are all a little bit gay because we all are attracted to what is similar to ourselves. But it doesn't make you gay. This is basically why some people say that everyone is a little bit gay, and this seems to be the part of Jamie that comes out with his "gay" dupe, as he's been called.

[TheDarkestHorse]

I call it big gay fun.

[Brian M.]

I just can't believe this is actually a debate. I'm good.

[Rubicant]

It would be the same as if the Karshner (Cingular) triplets got on a big California king-size bed and went at it. They have the same DNA and it would be wrong, but oh so fun to watch... or participate in. So my vote is for HOT big gay orgy.

[Gnarl]

You could ask the same thing about the LSHs...is it Trplicate Girl?

Madrox vs. Triplicate Girl....I'm going away now.

[aderechelsea]

its narcissism ....

(i doubt it is spelled that way but you get my point)

[G.O.K.I.]

I actually think this is the least gay of all these gay threads...-_-;

But anyway, if it were himself it's not incest because it's not a relative...it's a big masturbation fest.

...uhhh...mental picture made this the gayest thread ever.

Infinite Orgy Crisis!

x_x;

[The Lucky One]

I actually think this is the least gay of all these gay threads...-_-;

But anyway, if it were himself it's not incest because it's not a relative...it's a big masturbation fest.

I think it's a bit of a blurred line- is your identical twin your brother, or you? His DNA is identical, even if his personality isn't. Same with Jamie's dupes... in the past it might have been masturbation, but they've gotten so individualistic lately that I don't think Madrox himself -- or any outside observer, really -- could honestly see it as anything other than him actually sleeping with another guy... a guy who was genetically identical to him, but another person nonetheless.

-D

[Cosmic Flame]

So if Cable and Nate were to have sex, would that be incest?

I haven't read his series, but if his dupes all have personalities that are different, can't it be chalked up to each of his dupes manifesting a different aspect of Jamie's psyche? I don't think of this in the same way as one thinks of identical twins. If anything, it would be like him having sex with one of his children, since the dupes came from him.

[Mr. Jip]

OK, what??
Yeah they share the same DNA, the dupes are pratically the same person as Madrox, but if the actually perform intercourse, is that still masturbation?

[Ontir]

If he's the only one(s) having sex, then it's an incestual, gay, orgy.

If he invites others to join in, it can be any number of things. As usual, the more interesting choices aren't listed in the Poll! :evilsmile

[Weapon Ick]

For the last ten years my friend and I have been debating this topic. I asked him if it would be wrong to have sex with your clone. He says it would be worse than incest but I say it would be closer to masturbation. Even though I agree that technically it could be incest since it would be another person with your exact DNA like a twin. But I don't see it as being wrong since if it were your clone they would want the same thing you want so it would be %100 consensual. That's not exactly true for Jamie though since his dupes aren't exact copies of his personality, just facets of it.

But as to it being gay well that's subjective. Regular masturbation could be considered gay since it's a man (you) getting a man off (you). Guys always joke about wanting to become an expert at yoga so that they could fellate themselves but no one ever seems to look at this goal as being gay. I dunno. It seems to me that when you are doing that, your top half is having sex with your lower half.

Now to tweak the question even further, would it be wrong to go back in time and have sex with your former self? That would be different because it doesn't inolve a separate entity like a dupe or a clone. It would actually be you having sex with your actual self.

I could write about ten pages on this subject. Like I said, I've been thinking about it for years. With cloning now becomming a reality these issues seem a little more relevant.

[Zeta]

So if Madrox has sex with Gar Logan and Dead Girl, would that be gay incestual bisexual beastial masturbation necrophilia incest?

[Anodyne]

a big gay orgy of incestuous masturbation :p

[Alex A Sanchez]

So if Cable and Nate were to have sex, would that be incest?

I haven't read his series, but if his dupes all have personalities that are different, can't it be chalked up to each of his dupes manifesting a different aspect of Jamie's psyche? I don't think of this in the same way as one thinks of identical twins. If anything, it would be like him having sex with one of his children, since the dupes came from him.

Wow. Look at. The guy who doesn't even read the series knows the character best :mad:
He's 100% correct: Jamie's multiples do not have their own personalities- they are just different aspects of the same personality. Its like when you debate a difficult decision: part of you want to do one thing, part of you wants to do another. That's what its like to Jamie to argue with one of his dupes.

The reason they are so varied is because the guy has learned so much knowledge (via his dupes) that he is able to take many many points of view on the same topic.

[ibrakeforchinwe]

OK, what??
Yeah they share the same DNA, the dupes are pratically the same person as Madrox, but if the actually perform intercourse, is that still masturbation?

If one sticks their penis into one's own anus, is that sodomy or masturbation? :rolleyes:

[The Lucky One]

Wow. Look at. The guy who doesn't even read the series knows the character best :mad:
He's 100% correct: Jamie's multiples do not have their own personalities- they are just different aspects of the same personality. Its like when you debate a difficult decision: part of you want to do one thing, part of you wants to do another. That's what its like to Jamie to argue with one of his dupes.

Yes, but at what point does one aspect become so dominant as to become its own personality? Jamie's had dupes become completely individualistic before- there was the "Evil Madrox" dupe that was in Fallen Angels, and that dupe itself produced another dupe with a distinct personality, one that even read slightly different on Cerebro. His dupes presently may only manifest aspects of his personality, but as the "X-Factor" dupe from issue 1 showed, Jamie isn't always aware of exactly what's inside his head either, so it'd still be like talking/arguing/shagging another person, simply one you have a very intimate bond with. But whether that's a bond of friendship, or familiarity, or love, or family, is up in the air.

-D

[The Lucky One]

If one sticks their penis into one's own anus, is that sodomy or masturbation? :rolleyes:

No one knows, as to date only Chuck Norris has managed to do such a thing, and it's officially defined as "whatever Chuck Norris wants it to be defined as." Go ahead, check the dictionary.

-D

[Weapon Ick]

I'm confused as to why this thread is still alive and the Wolfsbane one just got deleted. They kinda seem like the same question to me.

I had a really thought out and disturbing response to that question as well. I should stop reading X-Factor and Marquis De Sade interchangingly. My thoughts are going to scary places. :)

[Alex A Sanchez]

Yes, but at what point does one aspect become so dominant as to become its own personality? Jamie's had dupes become completely individualistic before- there was the "Evil Madrox" dupe that was in Fallen Angels, and that dupe itself produced another dupe with a distinct personality, one that even read slightly different on Cerebro. His dupes presently may only manifest aspects of his personality, but as the "X-Factor" dupe from issue 1 showed, Jamie isn't always aware of exactly what's inside his head either, so it'd still be like talking/arguing/shagging another person, simply one you have a very intimate bond with. But whether that's a bond of friendship, or familiarity, or love, or family, is up in the air.

-D

Well I've had sex with my dupes in the past, and I'm not gay. It was just masturbation. Therefore, if Jamie did the same, he would also be masturbating.

(I win :D )

[Mr. Jip]

Well I've had sex with my dupes in the past, and I'm not gay. It was just masturbation. Therefore, if Jamie did the same, he would also be masturbating.

(I win :D )


Define the 'sex' you had with your dupes.
If it was just manual manipulation, i suppose you could still label it as "masturbation"
If it included actual intercourse, then it was gay sex & you're in the closet. ;) :cool: :rolleyes:

[Alex A Sanchez]

Define the 'sex' you had with your dupes.
If it was just manual manipulation, i suppose you could still label it as "masturbation"
If it included actual intercourse, then it was gay sex & you're in the closet. ;) :cool: :rolleyes:

It was penetration and all. So ya, I guess I might be gay. But my dupes aren't. They are totally straight. They didn't even enjoy it. Nope. Not one bit.

[Ontir]

If one sticks their penis into one's own anus, is that sodomy or masturbation? :rolleyes:

It's a guarantee of a lucrative career in porn!

[Ontir]

Yes, but at what point does one aspect become so dominant as to become its own personality? Jamie's had dupes become completely individualistic before- there was the "Evil Madrox" dupe that was in Fallen Angels, and that dupe itself produced another dupe with a distinct personality, one that even read slightly different on Cerebro. His dupes presently may only manifest aspects of his personality, but as the "X-Factor" dupe from issue 1 showed, Jamie isn't always aware of exactly what's inside his head either, so it'd still be like talking/arguing/shagging another person, simply one you have a very intimate bond with. But whether that's a bond of friendship, or familiarity, or love, or family, is up in the air.

-D

I think it's rather like Dissociative Identity Disorder, except that instead of alters fighting for time in the driver's seat, Jamie can expel them into a body of their own. Each one is capable of doing something separate and unique, without interference from the original self, and can then be reunited into one being. The thing, it seems to me, is that the longer they stay separate, the more experience and individuality they are like to acrue. This could, in time, lead to one or more trying, to varying degrees of success, to refuse integration. This could well lead to the rise of an "Evil" Jamie.

[Roads]

I'm confused as to why this thread is still alive and the Wolfsbane one just got deleted. They kinda seem like the same question to me.

I had a really thought out and disturbing response to that question as well. I should stop reading X-Factor and Marquis De Sade interchangingly. My thoughts are going to scary places. :)


Thank you.

There's another. As of March 3rd.

I thought I was losing it there for a sec.

[choitoy]

I don't care what it is, I would just jump right in!!!! :D

I can't read this quote from you, and then look at your bunny avitar!!!!

I'm gonna be soo messed up in the head someday!!!

[The Fury]

If one sticks their penis into one's own anus, is that sodomy or masturbation? :rolleyes:

Whatever you call it it's a good time

[Alex A Sanchez]

This could well lead to the rise of an "Evil" Jamie.

Peter David's already told this story in X-Factor #71-75 (series one). You can buy it in trade paperback format- its called "Visionaries" I believe.


I think it's rather like Dissociative Identity Disorder, except that instead of alters fighting for time in the driver's seat, Jamie can expel them into a body of their own. Each one is capable of doing something separate and unique, without interference from the original self, and can then be reunited into one being.

Jamie is different from Dissociative Identity Disorder in that none of his dupes are fighting for control: when they exist inside of the main Jamie they are in harmony. It is only when he releases a dupe that it takes a component of his personality with him.

The other difference is that Jamie's dupes aren't separate personalities- they are simply faucets of the same personality.

[Nevets F]

Why isn't there an option for "who cares? It would be hot!"

;)

[subliminal]

If there were 100s or 1000s of Jamies... like in New X-Men, would there be more than one 'Gay' dupe? I saw an art exhibit once where an artist had mannequins made of himself and he arranged them in a big orgy -- and that was Art. I think it's just auto-eroticism that is something concurrent with being gay/bi/str8. It's just as 'gay' as Wolverine penetrating Northstar with his claws.

[Brian M.]

The poll might be closed but the topic is still relevant. Should PAD address this issue in X-Factor?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

BGO.

I know his dupes are part of his persona, but they rather come off as... sort-of twins. Not quite incest, but definitely more than mere jacking off, eh.

Bad, Madrox, bad.

Or really really hot, I guess. Perspective and all.

[Mormel]

So, Brian, are you going to ask this question every year? :biggrin:

Seriously, though, I think what makes this problematic is that Madrox can take his dupes back in, at which point they rejoin his body and they become the same organism again. On the duplicate (pardon the pun) thread last year, I said it's incest, but what do you call it once he rejoins with his dupe after 'the deed'? I guess it's still incest, and that the dupe is a separate person as long as they're separate.

It's tied to the question of what 'identity' really means. For instance, when a starfish loses an arm, and there's a piece of the central disc stuck to the severed arm, the arm will grow into a new starfish. If you chop off a human finger, it would of course not grow back into a person, but you could still re-attach it. So, if you could surgically re-attach a severed starfish' arm to the starfish (dunno if it's possible), when is the distinction between the arm being an individual organism, or a severed limb, if that distinction exists at all? Or is it all just a mass of cells, that can each be considered individual to an extent?

It's even more complex with Madrox, because his dupes are complete from the moment of duplication. I'm still gonna go with incest, and that a dupe is a separate individual until he returns to the real Madrox.

[AcesX1X]

Well, I don't understand how you can qualify it as incest because Madrox always seems to treat his dupes like property.....not real people.

So, I think the only person it really matters to should be Jamie. If he considers it self-love, then let it be self-love. If Jamie has some kind of dark "twin brother" fantasy that he likes to live out, then let him have his incest. If Jamie wants to get a little group action on, well - look at it this way - at least he's playing as safe as you can possibly play!

That's all we can really ask for out of anyone isn't it? That you keep your private things private and you don't put your partners at unnecessary risk? Don't pass judgement on him finding creative, non-violent, healthy uses for his own mutant powers. I'm looking at you, Mr. "bad, Madrox, bad!"

This thread tickles me in all the right places. :tongue:

[Mormel]

Well, I don't understand how you can qualify it as incest because Madrox always seems to treat his dupes like property.....not real people.

So, I think the only person it really matters to should be Jamie. If he considers it self-love, then let it be self-love. If Jamie has some kind of dark "twin brother" fantasy that he likes to live out, then let him have his incest. If Jamie wants to get a little group action on, well - look at it this way - at least he's playing as safe as you can possibly play!

That's all we can really ask for out of anyone isn't it? That you keep your private things private and you don't put your partners at unnecessary risk? Don't pass judgement on him finding creative, non-violent, healthy uses for his own mutant powers. I'm looking at you, Mr. "bad, Madrox, bad!"

This thread tickles me in all the right places. :tongue:Hahaha, I see what you mean, but... I don't think Madrox has final say about his dupes' feelings. He may treat his dupes as property, perhaps because he's responsible for bringing them into the world in the first place and he can re-absorb them back, but I don't think they're mere extensions of his person... If a dupe can go out into the world and make a life for himself, wouldn't that make him an individual in his own right? Not to take this topic too far, or to spoil the fun of the thread. :smile:

I almost forgot that the thread is about sexual orientation. If Madrox were to have sex with a dupe, I first thought that would make him bi, because he's still doing it with another man, and that it would mean he could also get it on with an (unrelated) doppelganger. But if he'd only do it with his own dupes, and not any other men, then I guess it's as you say: it partly depends on how Madrox views his own dupes, at least how Madrox' experiences it. What it really is -from an objective viewpoint- depends on what the dupes are in relation to Madrox.

Where Madrox' gay dupes come in here, I'll be blessed if I know. [opening for obvious joke]