Civil War/Checkmate?

[Green Goblin 4]

Is anyone else seeing the parallels to what the true CHECKMATE of the D.C. universe's purpose is (to make sure the superpeople don't get out of hand) and SHIELD's purpose in registering superheroes. This is MARVEL's answer to CHECKMATE.

[Capt USA]

umm, ok. I guess checkmate is dcs answer to the commision on super human activities..

[Jake V]

I suppose it could be seen that way.

One organization illegally compiled a database of superheroes personal information and then stole a satalite and then infected hundreds of thousands of ordinary people with nanites or whatever that makes them become soldier-drones of an AI-gone-mad that wants to kill superheroes.

One is a government sponsored task force that will probably be involved in the legal requirement of superheroes to give up their secret identities if they want to continue to be crime-fighters.

So yeah, one is clearly a rip off of the other.

[StoneGold]

Is anyone else seeing the parallels to what the true CHECKMATE of the D.C. universe's purpose is (to make sure the superpeople don't get out of hand) and SHIELD's purpose in registering superheroes. This is MARVEL's answer to CHECKMATE.
There just has to be some way that Marvel is ripping off of DC, doesn't there? You'll find it somehow, won't you?

[Will.S]

The new Checkmate book and OMAC Project borrows here and there from Marvel concepts such as the Prime Sentinels and SHIELD which were around for quite a while.

There's also a whole Hellfire club thing going on there with the positions.

[lordlad]

i though it was the other way round.........

SHIELD has existed from............who knows when ???

Checkmate ??? Sure they were create i think in the 70s/80s but was quickly forgotten until the OMAC project.

[Toreador]

Didn't the concept of the government trying to control superheroes start in DC when the JSA had to disband because they wouldn't give their identities to a HUAC-type senate commitee? That's how DC explained the gap of time between the Golden-age superheroes of the 40s-50s and the Silver-age superheroes of the 60s.

[StoneGold]

Didn't the concept of the government trying to control superheroes start in DC when the JSA had to disband because they wouldn't give their identities to a HUAC-type senate commitee? That's how DC explained the gap of time between the Golden-age superheroes of the 40s-50s and the Silver-age superheroes of the 60s.
Yeah, but that was already after the Sentinel program, which is where all of this really started. I believe Roy Thomas first wrote about the HUAC stuff in 1985.


Well, if you don't count those early Superman issues, where he was treated as the vigilante he actually was.

[lordlad]

look...........almost every story copy every story...........

so let's get on with it

[Green Goblin 4]

Wow, you guys didn't get the point of my post, it was to DISCUSS the simalarities, not start a MARVEL/DC debate who came first who ripped off who blah blah blah, calm down a little kids. I just thought it was interesting how the true CHECKMATE, not Max's corrupt CHECKMATE (read what I originally wrote), is basicly doing the same thing that the CSA and/or SHIELD is doing in MARVEL in the fact that they are trying to keep the super people in line and take them down if they get out of line, and everyone is upset MARVEL is doing it but no one ever says anything about CHECKMATE. I understand that in MARVEL they are trying to force the heroes to register and essentially work for them by their rules, but CHECKMATE is taking people down if they break the unwritten rules. Just a thought.

[Gildarco]

One organization illegally compiled a database of superheroes personal information and then stole a satalite and then infected hundreds of thousands of ordinary people with nanites or whatever that makes them become soldier-drones of an AI-gone-mad that wants to kill superheroes.

You're talking about Operation: Zero Tolerance right?

[Capt USA]

Wow, you guys didn't get the point of my post, it was to DISCUSS the simalarities, not start a MARVEL/DC debate who came first who ripped off who blah blah blah, calm down a little kids. I just thought it was interesting how the true CHECKMATE, not Max's corrupt CHECKMATE (read what I originally wrote), is basicly doing the same thing that the CSA and/or SHIELD is doing in MARVEL in the fact that they are trying to keep the super people in line and take them down if they get out of line, and everyone is upset MARVEL is doing it but no one ever says anything about CHECKMATE. I understand that in MARVEL they are trying to force the heroes to register and essentially work for them by their rules, but CHECKMATE is taking people down if they break the unwritten rules. Just a thought.


I'm not sure why shield even belongs in a discussion about civil war but anyway the reason we aren't discussing it too seriously is that people have blindly followed the internet belief that marvel is 'copying' dc and so we are a tad sensitive. I really don't see the similarities though, Shield is an organization that is a 'spy' organization as such they have spy information on heroes/villains, have their own covert programs etc.

on top of it, where do you think shield is registering the heroes? it makes no sense for a spy organization to register heroes, they may enforce the registration, but it's not them who are doing the registering. or making the bill. It's the will of the people(in theory)

[Superboy Sr]

If truth be told, the idea of government contol goes back to the dark days of 90's where super teams like Youngblood & Stormwatch would be operatives of the United Staes and the United Nations .

[Jake V]

If truth be told, the idea of government contol goes back to the dark days of 90's where super teams like Youngblood & Stormwatch would be operatives of the United Staes and the United Nations .
That's as far as it goes back? Not to the 80's with books like Watchmen or Dark Knight Returns where superheroes were operatives of the government?

[Expletive Deleted]

That's as far as it goes back? Not to the 80's with books like Watchmen or Dark Knight Returns where superheroes were operatives of the government?Or the sixties, when the X-Men worked for the FBI? Or the forties when Captain America worked for the US Army?

[Jake V]

Or the sixties, when the X-Men worked for the FBI? Or the forties when Captain America worked for the US Army?
Y'know, I thought about it, and deciced that we're both wrong, and that all modern comics come directly from Youngblood and early 90's Image books.

[Capt USA]

Y'know, I thought about it, and deciced that we're both wrong, and that all modern comics come directly from Youngblood and early 90's Image books.

well I think the original poster was saying that teams like youngblood worked directly for the government. I wasn't too sure that the watchmen worked for the government, just figured that they were 'approved' by the government.

I don't think that stormwatch/youngblood has any similarities to the super hero registration act, but how many teams have been shown to be taking missions only issued by the government?

[Jake V]

well I think the original poster was saying that teams like youngblood worked directly for the government. I wasn't too sure that the watchmen worked for the government, just figured that they were 'approved' by the government.
In Watchmen, The Comedian and Doctor Manhattan worked directly for the government after superheroes were banned. And in DKR, Superman worked for the government.

I don't think that stormwatch/youngblood has any similarities to the super hero registration act, but how many teams have been shown to be taking missions only issued by the government?
X-Factor? The Suicide Squad?

[Capt USA]

In Watchmen, The Comedian and Doctor Manhattan worked directly for the government after superheroes were banned. And in DKR, Superman worked for the government.


X-Factor? The Suicide Squad?

x-factor definately, suicide squad is a differnt take on that, but I can see it. (I mean sure they worked directly for the government but they really didn't have any choice) as to the watchmen, individuals working for the government has never been anything new, (see cap) but whole teams who are basically government bitches, who had their own title(didn't want freedom force joining the conversation) wasn't really common.