Fool Me Once, Shame on You. Fool Me Twice...

[Dan Apodaca]

So, now that all the information is out on what the premise on Civil War will be...

...is anyone else having deja vu? Didn't Marvel do this crossover already back in the nineties, with the Mutant Registration Act? It was a whole big deal, involving the X-Men, Alpha Flight, and others. The basic premise was that the government decided that all mutants had to be registered and accounted for, as they were too dangerous to be left alone.

They make a slight change from mutants to "superheroes" and now Marvel's about to make bank off of it. I almost asked why Marvel thought they could get away with it, and then I noticed how many threads there were with people cheering the whole deal. It's kinda disappointing to see so many fans so willing to be hoodwinked.

Anyone else feel like Marvel is copping out, plugging current characters into a decade-old formula?

[bfrank]

who were the captain america and iron man of that cross over? who was conflicted like spider man is said to be?

[Capt USA]

I'm getting the feeling of deja vu all over again, another post that missed the differences between the super-hero registration act and the garbage that was known as mutant registration act.

the mutant registration act was a weak analogy for racism and wouldn't have lasted a second in court as it would be destroyed by any and all equality bills that are out there. It was a poor attempt to make it appear as if the world is composed of 90% bigots.

the superhero registration act is akin to driving a car or being a police officer, if you want to go out and be a vigilante you have to register yourself for safety purposes of the community. A bill like this would rightfully have some people supporting it and others opposing it (still have no idea how it comes to a civil war but oh well that is the writers job)

[Jake V]

It's no more offensive than the "give the relatable, human character superpowers and see what happens" formula that they've been using for 40 years.

Of course, I wasn't reading comics back in the 90's, and I don't care enough to get back-issues. So I'm on board for the Civil War thing.

[StoneGold]

Here's the other thing. Mutant registration was never anything more than a subplot. Yes, it was an ongoing threat in the world of the X-Men, but it never evolved past "ooo, their might be mutant registrations!" The only book I can think of it ever crossing over into was Fantastic Four during Acts of Vengeance, when Reed was brought in to testify.

And then, there are the apparent goals of the different registration acts. The theme of the original always seemed like containment. Mutant concentration camps. That kind of thing. The new registration act seems to be more about control. Putting the reigns of the superheroes in the hands of the government.

Here's the other big difference. They've all but said that the superhero registration is going to pass.

[Dan Apodaca]

It's no more offensive than the "give the relatable, human character superpowers and see what happens" formula that they've been using for 40 years.

Okay. So what?

[Capt USA]

well we know it's going to pass it's a matter of whether or not that after civil war if it's still in effect (which it appears to be the case by some of the comments from millar)

the mutant registration act had no sides, you were either against it or a bigot/racist. There wasn't a side to it that any character that has a fan following would side with mutant registration. The super hero registration act is pretty simple, if you don't want to register, then don't go around in tights and fight bad guys. they aren't similar at all except to some peoples very narrow minded view of similar. It's like saying batman and captain america are similar because neither have powers yet are among the most respected characters in their universe.

[Babylon23]

The original Mutant Registration Act never really went anywhere. I'm sure there was a story in there somewhere, but Claremont and Simonson left before anything really major was done with the story. I remember the X-Men were presumed dead at the time (post Fall of the Mutants), so they didn't sign up. The original X-Facter did, though.

[Jake V]

Okay. So what?
That was my point. Even if they are reusing an old idea, which is debatable, so what?

[Citizen V]

So, now that all the information is out on what the premise on Civil War will be...

...is anyone else having deja vu? Didn't Marvel do this crossover already back in the nineties, with the Mutant Registration Act? It was a whole big deal, involving the X-Men, Alpha Flight, and others. The basic premise was that the government decided that all mutants had to be registered and accounted for, as they were too dangerous to be left alone.

They make a slight change from mutants to "superheroes" and now Marvel's about to make bank off of it. I almost asked why Marvel thought they could get away with it, and then I noticed how many threads there were with people cheering the whole deal. It's kinda disappointing to see so many fans so willing to be hoodwinked.

Anyone else feel like Marvel is copping out, plugging current characters into a decade-old formula?

It seems like your one of the few who has seen though this ploy,and has read the fine print to see what this really is.Dont think this will last,a "registeration act" for people to even become heros?That will be dead in the water,especially if they want new heros.

The bold text reflects how i feel also. :( Glad to hear someone else say it.

This is a ploy to try and match DC`s Infinate Crisis.Read around,im sure you would find more proof.

[StoneGold]

Read around,im sure you would find more proof.
Show me some of it.


No, seriously, show me any proof. Anything concrete. Hell, even circumstantial.


"But... they're both miniseries involving people in costumes!!!"

They aren't even running concurrently. And shall we compare the storylines? Old characters from before Crisis show up and start blowing stuff up so that they can undo Crisis. A big disaster causes the government to register heroes, causing a schism between the heroes. Yeah, I can see how you would confuse the two plots.

[Kevinroc]

It's not like the real world Congress never reintroduces issues... :p

[bfrank]

what side did the FF fight for during the mutant registration years?

I'm stil trying to find out how this is the same thing......

[AllisterH]

Apparently, Reed used the argument that "normal" humans were not fit to judge the actions of superhumans.

[StoneGold]

what side did the FF fight for during the mutant registration years?

I'm stil trying to find out how this is the same thing......
As was stated earlier, there really wasn't much room in for or against the MRA. You were either a nice, normal person/mutant, or you were a racist asshole/villain.Between that and Franklin being a mutant, Reed whipped up a device that showed that even members of the congressional panel who were for registration could be interpreted genetically as mutants.

[Quarterwolf]

what side did the FF fight for during the mutant registration years?

I'm stil trying to find out how this is the same thing......

I am sure they were against. After all Franklin = Mutant.

And we all saw where the registration led to in Days of Futures past.

I am looking forward to it. Seeing where the heros will side now that they want EVERYONE to reveal who they are and not just the mutants.

[bfrank]

so what your saying is that once you get past the surface, Civil War, is not the same as Mutant Registration???

[StoneGold]

so what your saying is that once you get past the surface, Civil War, is not the same as Mutant Registration???
Only as much as Infinite Crisis is the exact same story as Crisis on Infinite Earths.

[Quarterwolf]

so what your saying is that once you get past the surface, Civil War, is not the same as Mutant Registration???

Well I am saying that it will affect a greater amount of characters and will therefore have a greater impact on the way the Heroes go about their work.

I can see some heroes being sued for damages if they have to registure.

No more smashing villians into cars cause the owner may sue you since you are a registered hero.

[Capt USA]

I am sure they were against. After all Franklin = Mutant.

And we all saw where the registration led to in Days of Futures past.

I am looking forward to it. Seeing where the heros will side now that they want EVERYONE to reveal who they are and not just the mutants.


once again, the difference between this bill and the mutant bill, is that the mutant bill was requiring registration for just existing, the hero bill would require registration if you actively do something. Huge difference.

the mutant registration would be akin to requiring every person who is a particular race(say black) to register.

[Sharcque]

So, now that all the information is out on what the premise on Civil War will be...

...is anyone else having deja vu? Didn't Marvel do this crossover already back in the nineties, with the Mutant Registration Act? It was a whole big deal, involving the X-Men, Alpha Flight, and others. The basic premise was that the government decided that all mutants had to be registered and accounted for, as they were too dangerous to be left alone.

They make a slight change from mutants to "superheroes" and now Marvel's about to make bank off of it. I almost asked why Marvel thought they could get away with it, and then I noticed how many threads there were with people cheering the whole deal. It's kinda disappointing to see so many fans so willing to be hoodwinked.

Anyone else feel like Marvel is copping out, plugging current characters into a decade-old formula?
I remember that being a story, but not a huge crossover event. Was there one?

[StoneGold]

I remember that being a story, but not a huge crossover event. Was there one?
Not regarding this.

[abiron]

As other have said, the difference with the mutant registration act is that it only matters if you actively use your powers as a hero. The government wants to make the heroes responsible for their acts. Right now, they can destroy half the city while fighting stupid-villain-of-the-month-#23, and no one blame them.

Honestly, if I lived in the Marvel Universe, I could hardly be against such a legislation... But I will wait to see the arguments brought by each side.

[Nick Kal]

I remember that being a story, but not a huge crossover event. Was there one?

Which just makes you think if another Marvel Crossover is necessary, especially with 2 othe rones going on.

[Phoney Bone]

Not only was there a Mutant registration Act, but there was also a Super-Hero Registration Act... around "Acts of Vengence".



No, Marvel is not trying to copy the story of Infinite Crisis.

Yes, they are trying to play catch-up by putting out thrown-together "events" as opposed to the long planning process DC had with IC. Much like the original Secret Wars was thrown together by Jim Shooter when he realized that the long-planned original Crisis on Infinite Earths was going to be huge. Since Secret Wars was put together in such a hurry, it was published first. Many fans mistakingly assumed that Crisis was done as a response to Secret Wars.

Yes, they are using the sucessful "Infinite Crisis" format (one-shot, four lead in mini-series, actual mini-series) with "Annihilation", and there is nothing wrong with that. Especially since "Annihilation" has the vastly more talented Keith Giffen at the helm instead of the overated Mark Millar.


The biggest difference is that it shows that DC has a been planning for over nearly three years for IC. Marvel appears to be making it up as they go along.

[StoneGold]

Not only was there a Mutant registration Act, but there was also a Super-Hero Registration Act. Around Acts of vengence.
Um... when? In which book?


No, Marvel is not trying to copy the story of Infinite Crisis.

Yes, they are trying to play catch-up by putting out thrown-together events as opposed to the long planning process DC had with IC (cough-cough-the original Secret Wars-cough cough)Yes. Despite coming out a year earlier, they were copying Crisis. But there is currently a thread on this on the Marvel board. Just like how Secret War was copying ID Crisis, despite being announced a couple weeks earlier.

Yes, they are using the sucessful "Infinite Crisis" format (one-shot, four lead in mini-series, actual mini-series) with "Annihilation", and there is nothing wrong with that. Especially since "Annihilation" has the vastly more talented Keith Giffen at the helm instead of Mark Millar.
And DC stole it from Marvel first. Age of Apocalypse.

[Nick Kal]

And DC stole it from Marvel first. Age of Apocalypse.

Age of Apocalypse's format was different. Also, it has no effect on anything in current X-Men titles. Also, Quesada said DC's handling in that format was bad for the readers, yet he decides to replicate it. blah!

[Jake V]

Age of Apocalypse's format was different. Also, it has no effect on anything in current X-Men titles. Also, Quesada said DC's handling in that format was bad for the readers, yet he decides to replicate it. blah!
Are the Annihilation minis actually leading to anything? I just thought they were a bunch of character-based minis dealing with the same "event" or whatever that happens in the prologue. All they effect is the cosmic portion of Marvel.

The Countdown minis were event or idea-driven minis that led to a single standalone mini that tied all their vastly different storylines together with a page of exposition.

[Phoney Bone]

Um... when? In which book?

It was mentioned in West Coast Avengers around the time of "Acts of Vengence", for certain. I don't recall exact specifics on any other titles, but the characters were referencing other books.

Yes. Despite coming out a year earlier, they were copying Crisis.

No, they were not copying the story of Crisis. Yes, Shooter was a marketing genius who saw that Crisis was going to be big and rushed Secret Wars. Crisis was in the works for years. The Monitor was showing up in DC comic books as early as 1981, a few years before the original Secret Wars.

[Nick Kal]

Are the Annihilation minis actually leading to anything? I just thought they were a bunch of character-based minis dealing with the same "event" or whatever that happens in the prologue. All they effect is the cosmic portion of Marvel.

The Countdown minis were event or idea-driven minis that led to a single standalone mini that tied all their vastly different storylines together with a page of exposition.

They lead to a seven part mini.

[Jake V]

They lead to a seven part mini.
Seriously? hahahahaha. That's pretty bad.

Ok, you win.

[Nick Kal]

Seriously? hahahahaha. That's pretty bad.

Ok, you win.

hahaha. i know. :p

[StoneGold]

It was mentioned in West Coast Avengers around the time of "Acts of Vengence", for certain. I don't recall exact specifics on any other titles, but the characters were referencing other books.



No, they were not copying the story of Crisis. Yes, Shooter was a marketing genius who saw that Crisis was going to be big and rushed Secret Wars. Crisis was in the works for years. The Monitor was showing up in DC comic books as early as 1981, a few years before the original Secret Wars.
So when they fought the Mole Man, or when Magneto turned Scarlet Witch evil? Because that's what was going on during Acts of Vengeance? Sure you aren't confusing it with the MRA congressional hearings that were going in in FF at the very same time?

[Iron Syndicate]

once again, the difference between this bill and the mutant bill, is that the mutant bill was requiring registration for just existing, the hero bill would require registration if you actively do something. Huge difference.

the mutant registration would be akin to requiring every person who is a particular race(say black) to register.

Exactly.

The MRA forces you to register because of WHAT YOU ARE, while the SRA forces you to register because of WHAT YOU DO.

In the former, you are born into it, for the latter it's a choice that you make. They're not forcing anyone to register beacuase they have super-powers, they're forcing people to register if they CHOOSE to use those powers.

And if anything, I believe DC's Crisis is a rehash... not Civil War... "Oh, remember that HUGH retcon we did about 20 years ago? Well, let's retcon that retcon, thus causing all the other retcon's we've been making since that last retcon to be retconned, into never having been retconned at all. And I've got another great idea, this new retcon of the original retcon, let's use exactly the same storyline, but backwards!! It'll be brilliant! We just have to remember to another retcon 20 years down, and this new retcon will retcon the current retcon (which retconned the previous retcon, and all retconned since it) and thus making the original retcon be the only retcon and no other retcon to have ever retconned anything!"

You follow?

[bfrank]

the mutant registration would be akin to requiring every person who is a particular race(say black) to register.

that's not really true.....there's a big difference between some random black dude, and some random dude that has the power to flip the earth's magnetic poles.....

[Citizen V]

Not only was there a Mutant registration Act, but there was also a Super-Hero Registration Act... around "Acts of Vengence".



No, Marvel is not trying to copy the story of Infinite Crisis.

Yes, they are trying to play catch-up by putting out thrown-together "events" as opposed to the long planning process DC had with IC. Much like the original Secret Wars was thrown together by Jim Shooter when he realized that the long-planned original Crisis on Infinite Earths was going to be huge. Since Secret Wars was put together in such a hurry, it was published first. Many fans mistakingly assumed that Crisis was done as a response to Secret Wars.

Yes, they are using the sucessful "Infinite Crisis" format (one-shot, four lead in mini-series, actual mini-series) with "Annihilation", and there is nothing wrong with that. Especially since "Annihilation" has the vastly more talented Keith Giffen at the helm instead of the overated Mark Millar.


The biggest difference is that it shows that DC has a been planning for over nearly three years for IC. Marvel appears to be making it up as they go along.

I would have to agree with that,like the other post said.Its annoying and sad to see so many people buy into this,and march to Marvel`s tune.Atleast find out more information about such things.

I think the concepts were put together rather hatefully,especially these "acts".Who in their right mind would follow this?This looks like a one shot,and the idea will easy be forgotten,or even ignored.

Sure you can follow it,but i wouldnt waste money on it.

[Capt USA]

I would have to agree with that,like the other post said.Its annoying and sad to see so many people buy into this,and march to Marvel`s tune.Atleast find out more information about such things.

I think the concepts were put together rather hatefully,especially these "acts".Who in their right mind would follow this?This looks like a one shot,and the idea will easy be forgotten,or even ignored.

Sure you can follow it,but i wouldnt waste money on it.

then don't buy it, but don't give us this sanctimonious crap about "poor deluded fools" You haven't even tried to understand it, I mean the absurdity of comparing this to a garbage out of continuity story like kingdom come, who's only redeeming quality is gorgeous artwork and completly out of character depictions of heroes. to something that is happening in continuity, that isn't the mutant registration act and that is going to probably feature heroes vs heroes (instead of talking head heroes vs heroes like infinity crisis)

[Violently Apathetic]

I would have to agree with that,like the other post said.Its annoying and sad to see so many people buy into this,and march to Marvel`s tune.Atleast find out more information about such things.


With all due respect, you're coming off as a little patronizing. I think most people are aware that Civil War has a similar theme to previous works, however as my Comp Lit Prof once said, there are only a handful of original themes and thoughts in literature, everything else is simply a variation on these themes modified to suit changing cultures, opinions and wants. Yes, Civil War addresses the same ideas as the Mutant Registration act, but it's being used in a more timely and culturally significant way. No one is 'fooled,' I think they're just excited by what could be an interesting and compelling story. If you feel differently, fine, but please don't act like you've caught onto something that's somehow beyond the majority of people's understanding.

Maybe we are being duped, but we're willfully duped.

[Capt USA]

that's not really true.....there's a big difference between some random black dude, and some random dude that has the power to flip the earth's magnetic poles.....

ok, but a mutant is also a guy which has an extra arm growing out of his back, uses sonar instead of normal vision etc. the registration act would have required you to put your name on a list which labels you as a mutant for just being born different. You may have no intention of using your powers yet you are required to register for just existing.

[bfrank]

just so long as you understand that in the marvel world, there is reason to be worried about mutants, and that it's no way near asking a black, white, gay, straight, asian, etc, to register....

[Expletive Deleted]

Seriously? hahahahaha. That's pretty bad.

Ok, you win.Six parts, actually.

Honestly, I still don't see it. One-shot, four four-issue minis, six-issue mini, in that order. It's as similar to Age of Apocalypse as it is to Infinite Crisis or Seven Soldiers.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

1) Civil War and Infinite Crisis are DIFFERENT! They have nothing to do with each other. Civil War = Polititcal struggle, Infinite Crisis = Universal conflict.

2) I don't know if Marvel is doing these events because of IC/52, but I don't care. It doesn't matter who copied who. What matters is if the story is good or not. Enjoy it for what it is: comics.

3) Civil War is not going to be like the Mutant Registration (sp?) Act. This is Mark Millar we are talking about, he doesn't half-a** his stories. I mean, I'm pretty sure this will be better than even HoM

4) Infinite Crisis is not trying to redo or reverse COIE. It's far more than that.

There are so many factors in IC: to show how important the Trinity and many other heroes are to the DCU, symbolisms of how Pre-Crisis and angry Post-Crisis fans feel about DC in general, to show the darkest days of the DCU, and more.

There are so many factors in Infinite Crisis that it's foolish or ignorant to call it just another "rehash".


I hope Civil War (or Annihilation) reaches that level for Marvel. It would be great to see Marvel have a crossover that they can call "The best ever" without the large group of fans wincing when they hear it's name.

Oh yeah, before I get flamed, let me just say that these are all my opinion.

:D

[mattspideyrocks!]

Listen, I'm not being rude and disrespectful to you people against the idea for Civil War. You are allowed. But I do want to give my opinion. And my opinion is that I think you are just pulling on strings here when it comes to discrediting this story. I think there is going to need to be a little more proof and conviction involved in convincing people this isn't what it's cracked up to be, especially if you are going to make it sound like this entire thing is a conspiracy that only the select few of you can see while the rest of us get "duped". I personally think it is going to be awesome and as much as we have had plenty of "big events" lately, I say keep them coming because even if they are crappy in the end, they still have us talking, don't they? For all I care, they can copy a story that has already been done word for word and I'm still gonna enjoy it. Seriously though folks, please don't compare this stuf to DC and what they are doing. Whether there are similar plot points in the stories or they are writing big events to combat what DC does, there is still not much comparison. They are two totally different companies. I think you need to back up statements better than "well, it's like DC somehow". Just give it a chance and you might be surprised. Not all big events are bad.

[Citizen V]

then don't buy it, but don't give us this sanctimonious crap about "poor deluded fools" You haven't even tried to understand it, I mean the absurdity of comparing this to a garbage out of continuity story like kingdom come, who's only redeeming quality is gorgeous artwork and completly out of character depictions of heroes. to something that is happening in continuity, that isn't the mutant registration act and that is going to probably feature heroes vs heroes (instead of talking head heroes vs heroes like infinity crisis)
What is there to understand?By all means..waste your money following this event,and listen to the gripe of fans who dont like it.Kingdom Come was a great comic collection,and i can imagine alot of people would argue with you if you made such a comment in the DC section.

With all due respect, you're coming off as a little patronizing. I think most people are aware that Civil War has a similar theme to previous works, however as my Comp Lit Prof once said, there are only a handful of original themes and thoughts in literature, everything else is simply a variation on these themes modified to suit changing cultures, opinions and wants. Yes, Civil War addresses the same ideas as the Mutant Registration act, but it's being used in a more timely and culturally significant way. No one is 'fooled,' I think they're just excited by what could be an interesting and compelling story. If you feel differently, fine, but please don't act like you've caught onto something that's somehow beyond the majority of people's understanding.

Maybe we are being duped, but we're willfully duped.
I told people on forums about HoM and a few listened,in the end,those who bought it,found that it was..for the most part,a waste of money.Do you honestly think that these Acts will be perminent?everlasting?I dont think so.

I understand much,because i write semi-professional reviews for 2 forums.So unless you have something like that,then please dont say that im just flabergasting.By all means..dont take my word for it.But you might regret it...

[Conn Seanery]

Well, I enjoyed House of M. But then, you write two semi-professional reviews for 2 forums, so I guess I only thought I was enjoying them. I hate when that happens.

How about we let people discover for themselves whether or not they'll like Civil War? You've made your position clear, you think it'll be a waste of time. Others have made their position clear, they're looking forward to it. How about people express their opinions without implying that people who don't agree are misguided fools who know not what they do?

[Jake V]

Come on now, conn. He writes semi-professional reviews for his own message boards!! Can't you see he is beyond reproach??

[mattspideyrocks!]

I told people on forums about HoM and a few listened,in the end,those who bought it,found that it was..for the most part,a waste of money.Do you honestly think that these Acts will be perminent?everlasting?I dont think so.

I understand much,because i write semi-professional reviews for 2 forums. So unless you have something like that,then please dont say that im just flabergasting.By all means..dont take my word for it.But you might regret it...

I appreciate you wanting to "help" so much but I think you are overlooking the fact that there are people that like these books. I loved House Of M. Thought it was great. And whether the changes last or not doesn't matter to me at all because it was still intriguing. Stop worrying about change and whether it will last all the time. Half the time people get mad because change happens so what is the difference? As long as it is a good read.
I respect your credentials here but really. You can't tell people not to debate your opinion because of that. It's like you are saying you can not come up with a fitting way to argue your point because you are not as intelligent or something.
Not everyone will regret these stories you know. There are some of us that do enjoy them. I for one will most likely buy every part to Civil War and I can probably bet you that I will end up back here telling you why I liked it so much. I think the people against this idea need to stop telling everyone that they should listen to them or they will end up disappointed because even if you find things to be crappy, that doesn't mean everyone is going to follow suit.
Just my opinion. Figured I would mention it.

[Violently Apathetic]

I told people on forums about HoM and a few listened,in the end,those who bought it,found that it was..for the most part,a waste of money.Do you honestly think that these Acts will be perminent?everlasting?I dont think so.

I understand much,because i write semi-professional reviews for 2 forums.So unless you have something like that,then please dont say that im just flabergasting.By all means..dont take my word for it.But you might regret it...

Guess what? I LIKED House of M. Was it a classic story to be remembered through the ages? No. Did I still enjoy it? Sure. So your warning system proves nothing other than you and I have different taste in comics.

I doubt I'll regret buying anything, there is only ONE series of Marvel's I can actually say I regret buying and considering my history with the company that is saying something (I like crappy comics?) I'm in for the experience, for the character interaction and to see if Mark Millar can be subtle with his political commentary or if he'll be bashing us over the head with it. Unless it's full of blank pages I doubt I'll fail to be amused on SOME level.

[Capt USA]

What is there to understand?By all means..waste your money following this event,and listen to the gripe of fans who dont like it.Kingdom Come was a great comic collection,and i can imagine alot of people would argue with you if you made such a comment in the DC section.


I told people on forums about HoM and a few listened,in the end,those who bought it,found that it was..for the most part,a waste of money.Do you honestly think that these Acts will be perminent?everlasting?I dont think so.

I understand much,because i write semi-professional reviews for 2 forums.So unless you have something like that,then please dont say that im just flabergasting.By all means..dont take my word for it.But you might regret it...


your opinion is that kingdom come is great so this must be bad, really converted me. I mean why would I want to read a Marvel comic that actually features good characterization, relateable heroes and a realistic portrayal of a 'registration' act when I can read a decompressed story that pretty much spits on the years of characterizations of dozens of characters, has absolutely nothing to resemble legitimate motives and is out of continuity.....

and you think kingdom come was good? it was pretty, it was a nice "elseworld" story where they decided that half the characters didn't need to resemble the personality that 50+ years of comics brought to the table, and it had an utterly ridiculous stance from the public based upon one situation that was only more unbelieveable by the heroes reaction to the publics overreaction. And of course making nearly every single next generation hero a bad guy really says alot about the parenting skills of the dc 'heroes'. gimme a break, pretty comic, overrated story.


of course if you ask the dc guys, they are proud of any series that spits in the face of the limited characterization that dc has to begin with, I mean look at the people that proclaim there was something good about identity crisis.

as to listening to people complain about it? the only people that seem to be complaining about it are the typical reactionaries that seem to think that all crossovers are bad, and my god can you imagine the people that actually think the similarities between this and mutant registration act automaticallly means it's going to be bad.

I mean there are actual people on this thread that seem to think a crossover must have world changing effects that can never be changed. I mean look at all the great permanent changes that dc has done. Azrael is the batman, Superman and hal are permanently dead etc.


I'm sorry but the fact that you are deriding this is just ****. To pretend you do reviews on anything is insulting to anyone on this board who has an iq over 70, as it would be unethical for you to review a product that you make your opinion up before even reading it. (especially since most of your comments seem to be wrong)

[mattspideyrocks!]

Citizen V, I think this is quickly becoming a losing battle for you so for your sake, you should maybe just stop trying to tear this down. If we want to enjoy it, let us. If we wanna make a "mistake" by reading it, let us. Just go and enjoy your DC comics and review your books because you obviously are not too keen on enjoying a Marvel story any time soon. And all you are doing right now is making yourself look kinda bad. No offense but that is just the way I see it.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Citizen V, I like what's going on in DC also. But don't use DC's success to bash what Marvel is doing. By that, you are no better than what people accuse Joe Quesada for.

Frankily, this is a great time to be a comic book fan. Both companies are making great strides to produce the best comics possible, and are using their competition as fuel. Even if you miss the big events, you can still buy it on TPB. I hope for the best for both companies, and the future of comics in general.

[Hawkingbird82]

I'm suprised so many people hated HoM. I loved the story and the characters. The whole assembling a team part was just awsome, in my opinion.
I like crossovers.