Batman spoiler about upcoming Morrison story from Wizard?

[stillanerd]

Okay, for those of you who don't already know, Grant Morrison is going to be taking over the writing chores in Batman with Andy Kubert as the artist as soon as the "Face to Face" story is done. The story he's planning is called "Batman & Son" and some have speculated that this could involve Son of the Demon (the one where Bruce and Talia had a child) was back in continuity. Well it look like...

IT IS!

http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/web/thread.jspa?threadID=2000065344&tstart=0

Apparently, in the recent Wizard, Andy Kubert says that the storyline will not only involve Talia, but also her and Bruce's son That means that Batman: Son of the Demon IS NOW CANON.

Comments?

[Maleficentogre]

If this is indeed true then won't bat-titles be thrown for a loop coming up soon. I don't like the idea of a batkid though.

[bobkatt013]

so after oyl there could be two spawn of batman running around. If this is true it could make the DC even crazier then it is.

[MicroZone]

That means that Batman: Son of the Demon IS NOW CANON.

Comments?

it always was canon.

[OverMaster]

it always was canon.

No, Dennis O'Neil retconned it into an Elseworlds.

What are the chances of this being Bruce's son coming from another world, if IC restores the multiple Earths?

[mohammedali]

I'm feeling a mixture of emotions. I don't know what to think :P

[AlistairCrane]

I usually love Morrison, but this is just wrong. Bruce shouldn't have a child with anyone but Selina. If this is true, I'm pretty much through with DC.

[Space Suit]

Sounds like a god awful idea to me. The editors at DC need to get their act together.

[steeler80]

This might be the way they intend to mellow Bruce out.

I'm like Mohammedali. I don't know how to react to this.

[davids]

talia's son and selina's son one day in the future going one on one like some ancient tale. :evilsmile

[HalWho]

I don't think I like it. I just cannot see batman in that role. A frickin crib inside of the batcave. Depending on how they do the story I most likely will not like it.

[Brack360]

Just because this story may involve a son between Bruce and Talia, it does not necessarily mean that Son of the Demon, or part of it, is back in canon.

I'm not too fond of this idea, but Grant Morrison is a good writer and I am looking forward to his run.

[Nick Kal]

Look how everyone jumps intothis news....

You do not know what the story is so don't say the idea is bad because you don't know anything about it.

[Tennoarashi]

Homan, I had the worst thought about the boys being grown up and then being a couple and then finding out they not only have the same daddy, but BATDADDY.

[suprmn1982]

Did You Ever Think That It May Just Be A Story About Bruce And Dick. Bruce Did Abopt Dick As His Son In An Issue Of Gotham Knights. Or It Could Be About Bruce And Jason, Jason Was Bruces Abopted Son Not His Ward Like Dick Was Originaly.

[Nick Kal]

Did You Ever Think That It May Just Be A Story About Bruce And Dick. Bruce Did Abopt Dick As His Son In An Issue Of Gotham Knights. Or It Could Be About Bruce And Jason, Jason Was Bruces Abopted Son Not His Ward Like Dick Was Originaly.

Exactly. I was thinking this story will be about Bruce and Dick or Tim.

[Maleficentogre]

When the title was first announced I asked if it could've been a story about bruce and tim seeing as how tim is recently orphaned and everyone just shot me down like the moron I am. has to be about a newborn not about tim. That's what they told me.

[Nick Kal]

When the title was first announced I asked if it could've been a story about bruce and tim seeing as how tim is recently orphaned and everyone just shot me down like the moron I am. has to be about a newborn not about tim. That's what they told me.

I don't know who everyone is but they aren't the writers and most of the people on these boards either take comics way too seriously or think they know everything that will happen. Ignore most of the crap you read... but not this. I am right. :)

[Nick Kal]

Also, Grant Morrison is amazing and his run on Batman is going to blow us all away and have some great action and stories. Did you see Kubert's art, as well? Fangasms, man!

[Mon-el]

Just because this story may involve a son between Bruce and Talia, it does not necessarily mean that Son of the Demon, or part of it, is back in canon.


The Wizard article definitely states that it does.

Team with Morrison-who helped make his reputation with the dark, disturbing Batman tale Arkham Asylum - Kuburt takes the reins of Batman storyarc titles "Son of Batman." which picks up plot threads from 1987's Son of the Demon, in which Batman has a child with Talia, the daughter of Ra's Al Ghul(a.k.a . The Demon's Head).

Wait - what?

"It involves Talia, the baby she had with Bruce in Son of the Demon, the kidnapping of Kurt Langstrom's wife and a demand for the serum that turned him into Man-Bat," explained Morrison, who says he's already plotted out 15 issues.

[mohammedali]

The interview leaves it slighly unclear if the Batbaby from SotD is back, however, I guess it seems more likely than not. I also wanted to point out that if Batman's son 'does' come back, then he'll almost definately not be a baby - so no cribs in the Batcave etc. I imagine he'd be a young child at least.

[Nick Kal]

The Wizard article definitely states that it does.

Despite this, we don't know how it all plays out.

[Mia]

I usually love Morrison, but this is just wrong. Bruce shouldn't have a child with anyone but Selina. If this is true, I'm pretty much through with DC.


Goodbye!

so after oyl there could be two spawn of batman running around. If this is true it could make the DC even crazier then it is.


I'm assuming you're talking about Selina's baby. I don't think that it's Bruce's. The author already stated he was going to throw in 'plot' twist, having Bruce as the father is not a plot twist. Also one of the former Bat writers hinted that TPTB don't want Bruce and Selina as a long term permanent couple. Jeph Loeb was only allowed to go so far with the relationship in Hush.

Personally I am really happy with the baby between Batman and Talia being brought back into continuity (if it's true). It will bind them together. Morrison already stated that he plans on writing Batman like James Bond. Well anyone familiar with James Bond, knows that the whole Ra's Al Ghul story is a rip off of 'On Her Majesties Secret Service'. Talia is a stand in for Bond's wife (and true love) Tracy.

[The Batman]

i'm curious to see where this goes as I am a big fan of Grant Morrison. that said the reintroduction of the Bruce/Talia child does give me mized feelings and i am really curious to see how this will work out.

i'm not so much against the existence of the child as i am Batman's awareness of him. If Batman knows about the child then i can't see him willingly leaving his son, or possibly any child, in the hands of Talia and the League of Assassins to be brought up.

with so little info though it's too early to really come out for or against this story though.

[seaflower]

I respect Talia but I have always been a bigger Bat/Cat fan

Despite my love for Bruce/Selina and the Batfamily...
I am not a huge fan of the idea of Bruce having his own biological child. But in all fairness and my love for Morrison I will read his run and try to look at it objectively

Will try my hardest to be fair...

Will try to put a well written story above my own personal bias

Must get it out while I still can....

Bruce and Selina forever!

[Calamas]

“Son of the Demon” and “Bride of the Demon” are two Mike W. Barr’s best works, and two of Batman’s best stories. I never understood why they were removed from continuity. Anything that corrects this is welcomed. And if they are again canon, Batman does not know about the child. As is, I can only see good things if Morrison builds on this.

[Mia]

i'm not so much against the existence of the child as i am Batman's awareness of him. If Batman knows about the child then i can't see him willingly leaving his son, or possibly any child, in the hands of Talia and the League of Assassins to be brought up.

with so little info though it's too early to really come out for or against this story though.


Well it all depends on how Talia will be portrayed and written by Morrison. In the original story he was in love with her and happy when he found out that she was pregnant and couldn't bring himself to talk about the baby. He was still in love with her. If his treatment of Emma is anything to go by (both she and Talia are Mrs. Peel from the Avengers tv show knock offs). I suspect that she will be written well.

However I do agree with you, family is important to Bruce. I can't see him walking away from his child. That being said I've always wondered what Bruce's reaction would be to a woman who came to him and told him she was pregnant after an affair or a fling.

[The Batman]

^^^

good point. i think i've just gotten used to the more villianous talia we seem to have seen as of late rather than the one from SotD.

[Mister Intensity]

“Son of the Demon” and “Bride of the Demon” are two Mike W. Barr’s best works, and two of Batman’s best stories. I never understood why they were removed from continuity. Anything that corrects this is welcomed. And if they are again canon, Batman does not know about the child. As is, I can only see good things if Morrison builds on this.

I assume that it was removed from continuity because it didn't fit Denny O'Neil's vision of the character, even though they were written while he was editor.

I think exploring what happens next would go a long way towards humanizing Batman. Yes, family means a lot to Bruce but so does being Batman. What would he choose, can he choose? Would he continue the crusade while taking care of the child, risking history repeating itself (a son losing his parents)? Would he determine that his son is better off with an adoptive family? Etc.

These are the type of things that allows charcter development and provides the evolution of the charcter not earthquakes, constant angst, back breaking, and other gimmicks.

I'm glad DC is allowing Morrison to explore that. Then again, the last time Morrision was allowed to evolve mainstream characters, he got shafted and the company started spending the next few years undoing everything that happened during his run (yes, I'm talking about New X-Men).

Mister Intensity

[DCKar2nist]

I agree that's an annoying idea, why complicate things by with a child?

[Gingold]

You know, I always ignored what Denny ONeil said was in continuity anyway. Great Batman writer. Terrible Batman editor. Does this mean we'll get new printings of Son and Bride of the Demon?

This sounds like a fun story and I trust Morrison, so I think I'll sit back and see what happens.

[trickster]

I don't think I like it. I just cannot see batman in that role. A frickin crib inside of the batcave. Depending on how they do the story I most likely will not like it.

I dunno. I thought Selina inside the Batcave bringing Batman coffee in "Crisis of Conscience" was touching.

[King Krypton]

I assume that it was removed from continuity because it didn't fit Denny O'Neil's vision of the character, even though they were written while he was editor.

I think exploring what happens next would go a long way towards humanizing Batman. Yes, family means a lot to Bruce but so does being Batman. What would he choose, can he choose? Would he continue the crusade while taking care of the child, risking history repeating itself (a son losing his parents)? Would he determine that his son is better off with an adoptive family? Etc.

Or it could be possible that the kid doesn't want anything to do with Bruce, in spite of Bruce's best attempts to reach out to him. If the boy rejects him, that would be something else for Batman to deal with.

I think it's a good idea to pick up from Son of the Demon. I've always wondered what became of the kid, and what would happen if Batman found out he was a father. And if this is all part of getting back to what makes Batman who he is, I'm game. Let's see where it takes us.

[jam37wcc]

Are Son of the Demon and Bride of the Demon, novels? I looked on Milehighcomics and it listed it as hardcover and softcover.

[Calculator]

Are Son of the Demon and Bride of the Demon, novels? I looked on Milehighcomics and it listed it as hardcover and softcover.

They were hardcover one-shots which I think are out of print.

[Ms. M]

I don't think this story would lead to a major disruption in the Bat series. I certainly can't see a baby or small child (how old would this kid be now?) permanently in the series, so I bet the ending will be that Bruce realizes his son is better off with his adoptive parents. Perhaps a teenaged version of the kid would re-emerge in about thirty years, given DC aging.

[Lord Grog]

Considering that they are re-inserting it into continuity, I imagine that they can put it back in any place on the timeline that Morrison wants. So the kid could be anywhere from a few years old to a dozen (prime Robin age! hmmm)

LG

[IamtheRock3]

one rub you guys arent thinking about

The kid may not know his orgins. He may have loving parents. And batman may not want to f that up by saying

"Oh your Grandpa one of the biggest mass murderers in history and your mother a basicly runs DC version of Al Queda, Also being my son your a target all type of lunatics..NOW GIVE ME A HUG!!"

[NathanielEssex]

I've always enjoyed Grant's take on Batman. But this doesn't sound very good to me. It's obviously a wait-and-see thing, but I gotta tell you, the concept sounds pretty bad. There's the possibility that something like this could turn me off from Batman comics for a long, long time (until the next revamp :) ).

[Oracle_0128]

I already popped a few blood vessels when I first heard about this. Son of Demon is definitely NOT something I want to see in my Bat-verse.

However....after reading this week's Batman Annual...maybe the Son of Demon thing is a red herring.....

I don't wanna spoil it if you haven't read it yet....but anyone agree??

[bannermanonemillion]

Y'know, this reminds me of the last time Morrison dealt with an iconic character.

Man, it sucked. Basically, Superman finds out he's going to die and he tells Lois his secret and....

.....oh, wait.

That was actually PRETTY FRICKIN GOOD.

So, let's wait and see if Morrison, y'know actually does something unexpected and entertaining. I mean you never know. We might like it.

[understatement off]

[Nick Kal]

Y'know, this reminds me of the last time Morrison dealt with an iconic character.

Man, it sucked. Basically, Superman finds out he's going to die and he tells Lois his secret and....

.....oh, wait.

That was actually PRETTY FRICKIN GOOD.

So, let's wait and see if Morrison, y'know actually does something unexpected and entertaining. I mean you never know. We might like it.

[understatement off]

I love you. :)

[AlistairCrane]

Y'know, this reminds me of the last time Morrison dealt with an iconic character.

Man, it sucked. Basically, Superman finds out he's going to die and he tells Lois his secret and....

.....oh, wait.

That was actually PRETTY FRICKIN GOOD.

So, let's wait and see if Morrison, y'know actually does something unexpected and entertaining. I mean you never know. We might like it.

[understatement off]

Doubtful. I think he's out to piss off Brulina fans.

[seaflower]

Doubtful. I think he's out to piss off Brulina fans.


*Smiles*

I am going to try very very hard to be objective about this story arc....
I love Bruce/Selina so much...
Actually this idea of Bruce with Talia is breaking my heart...

[Apathy Boy]

Madness. I'm surrounded by madness. People, Bruce clearly belongs with Silver St. Cloud! Though Talia is a jillion times preferable to boring ol' Selina.

SON OF THE DEMON was a fantastic book (minus the goofy murder mystery). I hated Denny O'Neil's weird belief that Batman should be chaste. Bruce should be baggin' babes left and right.

[mohammedali]

Irrespective of who Bruce should be with, if he's had a child with Talia, I doubt it will change things between them. I doubt that Morrison is going to have Bruce say "You may be the second in command to a society that's killing all my friends and goes against all I believe in, but I'm willing to give it a go... for the baby...". It just doesn't seem right. Hence, there is a chance we'll see Batman with someone else regardless of what happens here with Talia.

Mohammed Ali

[bannermanonemillion]

I love you. :)

I'm flattered. :D

[OverMaster]

I still think the kid will come from a parallel Earth, thus allowing Bruce to be-and-not-be the father at the same time.

A bit weird for a Batman title, but this is Morrison, King Weird himself.

[Mia]

Madness. I'm surrounded by madness. People, Bruce clearly belongs with Silver St. Cloud! Though Talia is a jillion times preferable to boring ol' Selina.

SON OF THE DEMON was a fantastic book (minus the goofy murder mystery). I hated Denny O'Neil's weird belief that Batman should be chaste. Bruce should be baggin' babes left and right.


You know I was of the same opinion on Silver, until I read that story last year "Batman: Detective". Where Silver's engaged to that guy Evan Gregory, but the momment she sees Bruce she jumps into bed with him. I mean I think Bruce is sexy too, but I wouldn't break off my engagement just to rekindle things with an old flame.

I really thought that mini was a disservice to Silver and tarnished the original 'Strange Apparitions' story line. In that it turned Silver into a shallow fickle woman.

I have to agree with you on Talia over Selina though. As much as I love Catwoman. She has really never struck me as nothing more than a fling for Bruce. A little "something" on the side when he's not in a permanent relationship. And he is nothing more than one of her toys and "stable of ponies". Bruce and Selina are 'friends with benefits' nothing more.

Talia on the other hand seems to be an ideal partner. Intelligent, ambitious beautiful and behind that wall of ice she often displays, she really is a good woman.

[bannermanonemillion]

I still think the kid will come from a parallel Earth, thus allowing Bruce to be-and-not-be the father at the same time.

A bit weird for a Batman title, but this is Morrison, King Weird himself.

Actually I think we've already seen Batman's son. Grown up and very Bruce-like already. His name is Ibn Al Xuffach and we saw him in "The Kingdom."

Now if Bruce were to team up with grown-up Ibn, that might be interesting. At the end he can go back to his home reality and that'll be that.

[AlistairCrane]

Irrespective of who Bruce should be with, if he's had a child with Talia, I doubt it will change things between them. I doubt that Morrison is going to have Bruce say "You may be the second in command to a society that's killing all my friends and goes against all I believe in, but I'm willing to give it a go... for the baby...". It just doesn't seem right. Hence, there is a chance we'll see Batman with someone else regardless of what happens here with Talia.

Mohammed Ali

But Bruce should not have a blood connection with Talia. The only child he should ever have is with his soulmate, Selina Kyle. Bruce and Selina are the Batverse equivalent of Clark and Lois.

[literally exaggerated]

Um, says who? They've only really been a definitive couple under Loeb, and thats broken up now. She's in only one of the movies, in most of the comics they flirt but hardly do anything more.

I realize that people care strongly about their ships, but the fact is, Bruce doesn't have a Lois. He might end up with one woman, but he's never going to be totally and irrevocably associated with one woman in the eyes of the public, or even the majority of the readership.

[seaflower]

To be honest I don't see Batman as a conventional relationship sort of man. I don't think it suits his character to have a kid and be married to anyone, even to his soulmate (only my opinion) Selina. I think Bruce is the sort of man who needs a woman who he can share a deep emotional bond with yet understands and shares his deep need to be independant and be alone for awhile during set periods in his life.

Wouldn't it be cool if there was one coupledom in the DCU who decided to NOT to have children and get married but still be together based on their own rules and wants?

I am not saying that conventional relationships are horrid, I just think not all DC characters need to have one. Batman is his own man and too special to go the middle route.

[AlistairCrane]

But if Batman and Catwoman don't get married then there's always that chance that a stupid writer could swoop in and put him with Talia.

literally exaggerated, you are wrong. Bruce and Selina are meant to be. Ask a general fan and they will name Catwoman as Batman's #1 love interest. They are indeed Batman's Clark and Lois.

[EZMOHR]

Y'know, this reminds me of the last time Morrison dealt with an iconic character.

Man, it sucked. Basically, Superman finds out he's going to die and he tells Lois his secret and....

.....oh, wait.

That was actually PRETTY FRICKIN GOOD.

So, let's wait and see if Morrison, y'know actually does something unexpected and entertaining. I mean you never know. We might like it.

[understatement off]


Great statement. The thing that is pissing me off about people hating this arc is that (a. Nobody has read it yet, but they hate it, and (b. Most 35-40 year old men on the planet Earth have a child. It's okay...Batman can still be Batman with a child.

[AlistairCrane]

Great statement. The thing that is pissing me off about people hating this arc is that (a. Nobody has read it yet, but they hate it, and (b. Most 35-40 year old men on the planet Earth have a child. It's okay...Batman can still be Batman with a child.

Of course Batman can have a child. Just not with Talia. That is the issue at hand.

[seaflower]

Look some people will like this story arc, some will be in the middle and there will be those regardless of how well written this story arc is...will hate it. Comic book fans are a hard crowd please. There will always be some people who will be unhappy...which is why we have forums to bitch and complain...makes it more fun. Plus how would forums be any fun if everyone agreed with one another and everyone was extremely rational about their remarks?

[EZMOHR]

Of course Batman can have a child. Just not with Talia. That is the issue at hand.


Why not, they've fucked in the past. Selina is not the only woman Bruce has done.

[Mia]

But if Batman and Catwoman don't get married then there's always that chance that a stupid writer could swoop in and put him with Talia.

literally exaggerated, you are wrong. Bruce and Selina are meant to be. Ask a general fan and they will name Catwoman as Batman's #1 love interest. They are indeed Batman's Clark and Lois.


Where did you get that from? Bruce and Selina are f*ck buddies nothing else. He has shown far more love and devotion to other women than Selina.

[seaflower]

Where did you get that from? Bruce and Selina are f*ck buddies nothing else. He has shown far more love and devotion to other women than Selina.

I will agree that Bruce has shown love to other women but devotion?
The man is a walking committmentphobe. Plus to be honest his relationship with Talia over the past couple of years has been a little off. If there were to be another love interest in his life at this moment...I would have to go with Sasha...poor Sasha...

[AlistairCrane]

Where did you get that from? Bruce and Selina are f*ck buddies nothing else. He has shown far more love and devotion to other women than Selina.

I disagree. Selina is the ONLY woman Bruce has ever shown any feelings of love for. Deep down, it's Selina he wants. This was all set up way back in Batman #1 in 1940.

[mohammedali]

That's actually rubbish. I agree that there has been a massive focus on Selina and Bruce having an affair, but to say she's the only one he's had strong feelings for is not only inacurate, but plain out incorrect. Also, if you think of it subjectively, I don't think it's something that would necessarily be that strong between them. Batman and Catwoman is more about banter than anything. IMO Bruce would realistically be with someone like Talia. Read Son of the Demon and you'll see it. I have no issues with him being with Catwoman mind, I just don't have a major problem with him NOT being with her either.

Mohammed Ali

[Mia]

I disagree. Selina is the ONLY woman Bruce has ever shown any feelings of love for. Deep down, it's Selina he wants. This was all set up way back in Batman #1 in 1940.

If that's what you believe, you clearly haven't been reading any of the Bat books for very long or are not that familiar with his history with other women. When it comes down to the long range of women he has been involved with (ie. Julie Madison, Silver St. Cloud, Talia Head, Sasha) to just name a few) Catwoman is way down on the list. I agree with Mohamedali. Catwoman is more of a flirtation and an occassional sexual dalliance. Nothing more. He's not in love with her.

[Sizzle]

Y'know, this reminds me of the last time Morrison dealt with an iconic character.

Man, it sucked. Basically, Superman finds out he's going to die and he tells Lois his secret and....

.....oh, wait.

That was actually PRETTY FRICKIN GOOD.

So, let's wait and see if Morrison, y'know actually does something unexpected and entertaining. I mean you never know. We might like it.

[understatement off]

Spot on! Don't forget the last time Morrison wrote Bat's on a regular basis in a little title called JLA. That was a fun ride.

[AlistairCrane]

I love how you so-called Batman "fans" are daring to disagree with what Bob F-ing Kane set up in the first issue of Batman. You are definitely not real Batman fans.

[Mon-el]

I love how you so-called Batman "fans" are daring to disagree with what Bob F-ing Kane set up in the first issue of Batman. You are definitely not real Batman fans.

Hold up,

How can you say we are not real Batman fans because it disagrees with what happened in Batman #1? And furthermore if your going to bring Bob Kane's name into the picture. You really need to do your research about how he royally screwed Bill Finger.

[EZMOHR]

Hey, mohammedali is got to be one of the most knowledgeable Bat fans I've ever seen post on any board. I think he knows a lot of Batman's history and he would know a lot period on Batman.

Now, I think it is alright if Bruce and Talia have a child...because they did. They were in love. That is a hard bond to break. Bruce and Talia were in love.

Bruce has been infatuated or hell, even in love with people like Vicki Vale and Silver St. Cloud and Sasha Bordeaux. But we all know he did have a deep love for Talia. It's there in print.

Then there is Selena. I like Selena. And to be honest with you, I do hope that is who he ends up with. But, it does not get rid of the fact that Talia and Bruce were in love, and given a choice...Bruce may could have once picked Talia over Selena.

[AlistairCrane]

Batman would never have picked the Daughter of the Demon as his bride.

[NathanielEssex]

I'm also of the opinion that Bruce should fall in love with Selina rather than Talia.

[stillanerd]

Now, I think it is alright if Bruce and Talia have a child...because they did. They were in love. That is a hard bond to break. Bruce and Talia were in love.

I actually wouldn't mind Bruce and Talia child being back in continuity either. In fact, I'd go far as to say that I think if Bruce and Talia's son is back, Talia is going to use their son as leverage against Bruce and possibly raise the child as her own to become the heir apparent to Ra's Al Ghul. After all, I'm sure deep down she still loves Bruce, but because she was so devoted to her father, she now blames Bruce for Ra's death and wants revenge (and yes, I think she's just buying her time with Nyssa.) Batman, at it's core, is about tragedy, and what could be more tragic than having two people who were once in love be bitter enemies.

Bruce has been infatuated or hell, even in love with people like Vicki Vale and Silver St. Cloud and Sasha Bordeaux. But we all know he did have a deep love for Talia. It's there in print.

Batman's various love interests have been, at least in my mind, all been attempts of trying to hold on to as much of a normal life as possible. But in the end, it's his mission that keeps pulling him back, that he has to put the people of Gotham before his own personal needs.

Then there is Selena. I like Selena. And to be honest with you, I do hope that is who he ends up with. But, it does not get rid of the fact that Talia and Bruce were in love, and given a choice...Bruce may could have once picked Talia over Selena.

I believe that deep down, Bruce does love Selina, but, as I said, he feels he can't have happiness in life because his mission comes first. Also, I think that Selina understands this but wishes that they'd be together; heck, she was inspired by him to a certain degree. It would be nice if eventually they got together like their Golden Age counterparts did, but I don't think this will happen. Rather, there's is another story of lovers who, for whatever reason, are unable to be together no matter how much they want to be.

[JKCarrier]

I love how you so-called Batman "fans" are daring to disagree with what Bob F-ing Kane set up in the first issue of Batman.

How so? Sure, Batman obviously likes Selina, and is attracted to her. But that doesn't mean she's his soul-mate, or even the only woman he'll ever be attracted to till the end of time. Most guys have more than one girlfriend in their lives, after all. Even in the Kane/Finger years, we had Julie Madison, Linda Page, Vicki Vale, and Batwoman, all of whom he showed affection to in various degrees. If Bob Kane had wanted Bruce and Selina to hook up, he had plenty of opportunities to do it.

Not that I think Bruce and Talia have great prospects for any kind of long-term relationship. She's a cold-blooded killer, for one thing. But Bruce obviously finds her enormously attractive, if only physically. And I can see him letting his guard down and finally giving in to that attraction... he's only human, after all. And if that one "slip" leads to consequences that will come back to haunt him later... well, that's what makes for good drama, no?

[Young Avenger]

I love how you so-called Batman "fans" are daring to disagree with what Bob F-ing Kane set up in the first issue of Batman. You are definitely not real Batman fans.

This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read. Bruce and Selina have been nothing more than sex buddies. In all the Batman books I've read and the other adaptions of Batman I've seen Bruce has never shown any feeling of love towards Selina. Let's not forgot Selina will flirt with just about anyone. I remember she did the same thing she does with Bruce with Nightwing. I don't read the Catwoman monthly but doesn't she sleep with some dude called Slam? Selina isn't faithful enough to have a relationship with anyone let alone Bruce.

[Dimwicket]

[QUOTE=AlistairCrane]But if Batman and Catwoman don't get married then there's always that chance that a stupid writer could swoop in and put him with Talia.[QUOTE]

You mean like Denny O'Neil did in the story, " I Now Pronounce You, Batman and Wife"? Originally printed in DC Super Special #15 and later re-printed in the "Tales of the Demon" tpb. Since that tale is referred to in "Son of the Demon", I wonder if it will be canon now?

[Apathy Boy]

I love how you so-called Batman "fans" are daring to disagree with what Bob F-ing Kane set up in the first issue of Batman. You are definitely not real Batman fans.Would this be the same Bob F-ing Kane who drew all those stories with Julie Madison as Bruce Wayne's fiancee?

I also admire your ability to ignore the 65 years of stories that followed.

[mohammedali]

I love how you so-called Batman "fans" are daring to disagree with what Bob F-ing Kane set up in the first issue of Batman. You are definitely not real Batman fans.
You're also forgeting that the first issue of Batman showed a Batman who isn't in continuity either. The Golden-Age Batman (Earth-2) died a while before the first crisis, and even if he hadn't, he would still have been replaced with Earth-1 Batman. Hence what you're saying has little relevance to the current Batman. Like EZMOHR, I would love to see Batman with Selina, but Batman and Talia is completely understandable.

Mohammed Ali

[AlistairCrane]

I'm also of the opinion that Bruce should fall in love with Selina rather than Talia.

You rock! :D

[Tadhg]

I love how you so-called Batman "fans" are daring to disagree with what Bob F-ing Kane set up in the first issue of Batman. You are definitely not real Batman fans.

Wow. Can you be more condescending and dismissive? Seriously, this "You're not a real fan" shit is just lame.

[SamuelCollins]

I think we all know who will be in charge of the midnight feedings for Bruce Junior.

[Mia]

I have to say that I am really curious as to what stage the baby is at right now.


At the end of SOTD, the baby was adopted by a couple. And I have also wondered, especialy considering Talia's strong feelings for Bruce. Why she would lie about misacarrying and end up giving up her baby for adoption. The only reason I can come up with is that she did not want her child to be a pawn of her fathers.

[NathanielEssex]

"You rock! "

(Sorry, I don't know how to do quotes) Thanks, man! :)

[Dimwicket]

I have to say that I am really curious as to what stage the baby is at right now.


At the end of SOTD, the baby was adopted by a couple. And I have also wondered, especialy considering Talia's strong feelings for Bruce. Why she would lie about misacarrying and end up giving up her baby for adoption. The only reason I can come up with is that she did not want her child to be a pawn of her fathers.
It's been awhile since I've read it, but the impression I got was Talia could see how protective Bruce was of her and the baby and knew that eventually that protectiveness would put him at war with her father.

[seaflower]

To all Bruce/Selina fans...

I think we can relax a bit.

I think regardless of what happens in this story arc, it won't compeletly killl off the possiblities of Bruce and Selina in the future...

Remember of all the Batman ships, Bruce/Selina probably has the most stories. We got what we wanted in E2 and just before post-crisis. In E2, Bruce and Selina were together and even had a daughter. Hell in "Brave and the Bold # 182" Bruce and Selina are buried right besides each other. Just before post-crisis, Bruce and Selina got their act together and went on a date after having an extremely rocky roller coaster romance.
If you add E1's Year One, Long Halloween, Dark Victory, LOTDK Heat, some parts of Knightsfall, Hush, JLA crisis of conscious; there is enough material out there in the Batworld with Bruce/Selina that shows within the Batmythos, Batman/Catwoman has a long and complex history together.
Having a story arc where he isn't with Selina will be ok...because at the end of the day...it just doesn't compare to the overall romantic history of Batman/Catwoman. He loves/loved Talia, Sasha, Silver, Vicky but Selina stands ahead of the others.

Either way, it is Morrison, granted to be well written.

Maybe to be fair we should just let the other shippers have some time to time...

[King Krypton]

Look, I don't dispute that Selina Kyle is Batman's soulmate. In fact, I'm a firm proponent of their relationship.

But let's face it, DC hasn't kept their relationship consistent at all post-Crisis. And Bruce has had other girlfriends before Selina and during the periods where the Batman/Catwoman romance was ignored. One of those periods was when he and Talia had that pseudo-marriage and had the son we're about to meet again in this upcoming arc. So it's not like Batman hasn't played the field. And since he had a son with Talia, why shouldn't that story be touched on? It's there. It's actually a popular and well-remembered piece. So why not go back and revisit it? It won't hurt Bruce and Selina's chances of hooking up down the line. Nothing else has thus far.

Oh, and Alastair Crane? Batman was created by Kane and Finger, not just Kane. Everybody, even Kane, admitted to this. And Finger was one of the people who gave Batman several girlfriends, one of whom happened to be Catwoman.

[Mia]

It's been awhile since I've read it, but the impression I got was Talia could see how protective Bruce was of her and the baby and knew that eventually that protectiveness would put him at war with her father.


That's what I thought too, along with the fact that Ra's was desperate for a male heir to run his empire. He would never leave her, Bruce and the baby in peace. And like you said it would escalate between an ongoing war between the two men, distracting Bruce from his war on crime as Batman.

[Mia]

Oh, and Alastair Crane? Batman was created by Kane and Finger, not just Kane. Everybody, even Kane, admitted to this. And Finger was one of the people who gave Batman several girlfriends, one of whom happened to be Catwoman.

Actually Bruce Wayne was created to be a ladies man.

[mohammedali]

Actually Bruce Wayne was created to be a ladies man.
And I doubt a baby would necessarily change that ;)

Mohammed Ali