Lee Vs Perez: Round 3

[mohammedali]

Round 3 of Lee Vs Perez Infinite Crisis covers. I want to do all IC issues, but instead of making 5 threads straight away, I plan to create each thread with some time inbetween (to prevent there being a cover overload ;) ).

Below is a comparison of the covers from Infinite Crisis #3. Vote for which cover you prefer, and perhaps even give an explination why. Only vote 'tie' if you genuinely feel both are equal.

LEE COVER = LEFT
PEREZ COVER = RIGHT
http://www.geocities.com/ilfordboy/IC/InfiniteCrisisCv3LEE.JPG http://www.geocities.com/ilfordboy/IC/InfiniteCrisisCv3PEREZ.JPG

Mohammed Ali

[Kid Kamikaze10]

I'm going with Jim Lee because of the Earth-2 characters on it.

[Lex]

I'm torn. Perez's art is infinitely superior, but that cover is full of the weird-looking robot thingies that I hate (aka OMACs). I'll have to think about it.

[heystacy]

I liked the Lee cover better. The two should team up and do a third cover.

[moon knight]

i like the lee better because the perez cover is too busy

[Apathy Boy]

The appearance from Earth-2 swings this one in Lee's favour.

[Citizen V]

Im going to have to go with the Jim Lee cover,its just that good.Superb.

[G'nort]

I'm torn. Perez's art is infinitely superior, but that cover is full of the weird-looking robot thingies that I hate (aka OMACs). I'll have to think about it.

How on earth is Perez infinitely superior? Lee is the overall better artist IMO.

but then again I suppose it is just an opinion

[Dos]

Are we judging art or what is in the picture? If art, Lee wins this with a curbstomp. I also prefer scene in the first one more as well.

[DJ_Max]

Both covers are nicely done. But I have to go with Lee's, since I like how it ties in with the story of Batman's struggle.

[Maleficentogre]

Lee because this is the only perez cover I can say that I really don't care for

[Shellhead]

Ugh, Perez isn't doing as well as expected in this contest. I bought the Perez cover, but now I'm voting for the Lee cover.

I agree that the Perez cover is cluttered with so many figures in action, leaving no single focal point that draws the eye. And those OMACs are just ugly... that's not something I blame Perez for, but he didn't have to draw so many of them in the foreground. The women look cool, but they are just lost in this picture.

The Lee cover works better for this issue, because it highlights a pivotal scene that isn't duplicated elsewhere like that OMAC invasion in the pages of Wonder Woman's recent issue. Superman's pose is basically friendly, but the arrangement of his cape at that moment lends him a slightly sinister air. Batman, as usual, is a shadowy figure, but here he seems caught off-guard and tense. The Earth-2 folks in the background are misleading and possibly confusing, but maybe they looked slightly ghostly on the full-sized cover?

I still prefer the artwork of Perez to that of Lee by a wide margin, but on the first three covers of Infinite Crisis, I voted for Perez on issue one and Lee on issues two and three.

[Smokeyjay]

I thought for sure Perez would win this one. Its all a matter of taste I guess.

I prefer my covers to be very detailed and "cluttered". I also enjoyed "Wheres Waldo" books as a kid.

I like how I could at the cover again and find something I hadn't noticed beforehand. Also, Perez cover I feels has a more epic scale which is more fitting to Inifinite Crisis.

[ryan_catcher]

Lee.
Hands down. There wasn't even a choice in my mind which cover I was getting. This and Perez's #1 are the only covers I've actually liked.

[d newton]

The Lee cover works better for this issue, because it highlights a pivotal scene that isn't duplicated elsewhere like that OMAC invasion in the pages of Wonder Woman's recent issue. Superman's pose is basically friendly, but the arrangement of his cape at that moment lends him a slightly sinister air. Batman, as usual, is a shadowy figure, but here he seems caught off-guard and tense. The Earth-2 folks in the background are misleading and possibly confusing, but maybe they looked slightly ghostly on the full-sized cover?
That's the problem I'm having with most of his covers at the moment.
IC 1 (Lee) - The positions of the trinity seem a little bit awkward.
IC 2 (Lee) - See my comments for IC 1.
IC 3 (Lee) - The cover doesn't match the comment made in the item listing (No OMAC's anywhere?).

[trickster]

That's the problem I'm having with most of his covers at the moment.
IC 1 (Lee) - The positions of the trinity seem a little bit awkward.
IC 2 (Lee) - See my comments for IC 1.
IC 3 (Lee) - The cover doesn't match the comment made in the item listing (No OMAC's anywhere?).

Lee. Looking at it shrunk, the Perez cover is just a mish-mash of lines. Nothing stands out.

There is an OMAC on the screen. But this cover doesn't focus on the OMAC part, rather on the Bats / Supes storyline.

[DDM]

George Perez

[Capt USA]

Lee is a better artist than Perez??? wow, I never thought I would see anyone utter that line, but ok.

anyway, I voted perez, but have to agree, I hate the omacs, but the lee cover is somewhat cliched and looks like it's leading into a talking heads issue of the comic.

[mswood]

While I like Perez's finished art, much more then Lee. Perez's cover could have been from his run on WW years ago. The layout and design aren't anything special.

But Lee's features his best finished pencils (so far), and the layout is great and hits the strongest emotional element of the issue.

Thats enough to put it into the top spot this week.

THough I would have loved to see Pere'z pencils and inks on this design.

[Arrjay]

The Perez cover gets my vote. I have my reasons.

[Citizen V]

LEE COVER
http://www.geocities.com/ilfordboy/IC/InfiniteCrisisCv3LEE.JPG
This is good enough to be a wallpaper,does anyone have a larger image?

[d newton]

Looking at it shrunk, the Perez cover is just a mish-mash of lines. Nothing stands out.
Which cover are you referring to here - 1, 2 or 3? :confused:

There is an OMAC on the screen. But this cover doesn't focus on the OMAC part, rather on the Bats / Supes storyline.
This is just another talking heads cover (see above).

[mohammedali]

The Perez cover gets my vote. I have my reasons.
Cool. please share :)

[Rutsah]

Perez. Wonder Woman is hot, she throws any vote.

[PIMPurself]

Lee's ahead 2-1 on my scoreboard after a two game winning streak.

[Babylon23]

Both covers are very good.

Overall, I think Perez is a much better artist. However, Lee's layout on this cover impressed me, so I'm going to give him the vote here. It's the first time in a while that I've actually been impressed by Lee's artwork.

Personally, I'd love to have seen Lee's layout pencilled by Perez, but that's just me.

[Dos]

I am not being a jerk, but I am amazed people are saying Perez is better than Lee here. I cant see how they compare in artwork, in my eyes Lee is obviously superior. Perez looks plain and general, I feel any number of artists could draw his easily. Could someone explain this to me what is so impressive about Perez's art?

[Paul Newell]

You would be surprised at what is easy and what isn't.

Two things I can think of is perspective and anatomy. Perez is much better at it than Jim Lee is.

Examples:

Perspective. Look at the "camera" angle in Jim Lee's pic....You have a low, tilted up view of the picture....Well...Everything except Bruce Wayne, Catwoman and Robin. That's why you don't see their feet. Because they're straight on and wouldn't work positioned on the floor....Which happens to be a hill rather than flat BTW.

Anatomy. It could just be the quality of the image but it looks like Superman's head is either dislocated from his neck or floating just in front of it. Catwomans thigh appears to be wider than her head and her arm is too long. Not much, but enough to notice.

It's still a nice drawing but, technically, not as good as Perez's.

[Arkham Resident]

I bought the Lee cover because of its focus on Batman. art is solid ( except for Kal-L) and raised a lot of mystery for me which made me anticipate Issue#3 more.

[Joe Acro]

I think there's symbolism to be found in Perez's work. Not only does this cover portray an important event within the comic, that being the OMAC attack on the Amazons, it shows the chaos and lack of a focal point within the current DCU. A few of you claim that the cover is too "busy" or lacks emphasis on a particular item. But isn't the series the same way? Infinite Crisis shifts from Rann to New Cronus (or whatever that palce is called) to Antartica to the Batcave to a fight with the Amazons. The story itself lacks a focal point. The story itself is cluttered with people and is, therefore, "busy." I think Perez's cover does a much better job of potraying the feel of Infinite Crisis, not just a scene.

[multiplexo]

I've never understood the fans of Jim Lee's art, it's so damned generic, generic looking overmuscled guys who all look alike with big ropy veins and tendons wearing spandex outfits, it's like the absolute worst of John Byrne, but cubed. Perez in contrast can draw normal human beings. Lee also has difficulty in drawing characters who have necks, as witness Superman on the cover of IC #3.

[Shellhead]

I agree that Perez is generally the better artist of the two, and that Lee has an incomplete grasp of human anatomy and low motivation to hone his skill. Perez was a little rough at first, too, the proportions of the limbs and torsos he drew was off way back in his early days with the Avengers, like that Squadron Supreme/Serpent Crown arc.

But on these Infinite Crisis covers, I have preferred the Lee covers to the Perez covers for the most part, at least so far, because Lee's covers have had stronger layouts, in terms of visual and even emotional impact. By contrast, Perez has given us panoramic scenes crowded with smaller figures and no specific foci to draw the eye.

At the scale we are looking at the covers in these threads, the contrast is even more stark. To be fair, that same scale issue makes it hard to appreciate the excellent details that Perez includes, and equally hard to notice the sloppy, sketchy details that Lee deploys. I wish Lee would spend some time around older people so he can get a realistic grasp of how lines develop on an aging face.

[Super Sonic]

Once again Perez, that's 3-0 now. ^^

[mohammedali]

I can't see how Perez could possibly be anyones choice in this round. I mean, it's nowhere near as cool as the Lee cover. I'm getting the feeling that people are voting for the artist they prefer rather than the cover. Naughty naughty :D

Mohammed Ali

[d newton]

I can't see how Perez could possibly be anyone's choice in this round. I mean, it's nowhere near as cool as the Lee cover.
In other words, you like characters with generic poses on covers! :p

[Darkoth]

That Lee cover is flat out poorly drawn.Superman's anatomy is way off, about 10 1/2 heads tall,and the worms eye view perspective isn't working.Batman seems on an entirely different plane,disjointed from the rest of the scene.The light and shadows don't look right either,and in any case are much too dark.The only thing nice I could say about it is that shrunk down,it's easier on the eyes than Perez' busy but well drawn cover.

Perez is the opposite of complacency,I've never seen any comicbook artist continually grow in talent and skill year after year the way Perez has,his enthusiasm is our blessing.

[trickster]

Which cover are you referring to here - 1, 2 or 3? :confused:


This is just another talking heads cover (see above).

Obviously the cover this thread deals with: no. 3. Perez's is too cluttered.

[d newton]

Obviously the cover this thread deals with: no. 3. Perez's is too cluttered.
I like cluttered covers over ones which don't feel right because of the smallest details (e.g Batman's postion).