What happens to Starfire?

[Harpy Prince]

I read on another forum that Robin from the Teen Titans animated series is Dick Grayson. They use the episode where Raven enters his mind and the episode where Star goes to th future and meets Nightwing as evidence. Also the fact that Dick was the one who originally had a relationship with Star.

But what I really want to know is what happens to Star when Dick becomes Nightwing and strikes off on his own in Bludhaven and gets all snuggly with Barbara Gordon AKA The Oracle?

[Michael P]

They broke up long before that happened. The whole sordid story is in New Titans 100.

[Damo]

.......Dibs?

[Harpy Prince]

They broke up long before that happened. The whole sordid story is in New Titans 100.
Is it that one issue or does it spand through several? I want to get them now.

[Gingold]

Is it that one issue or does it spand through several? I want to get them now.

You don't want anything to do with New Titans #100.

But..Dick didn't just become Nightwing and then leave for Bludhaven. He was on the Titans as Nightwing for over a decade before he went solo. He and Kory had a long relationship and were living together. Things got a little complicated when she had to go marry someone else on Tamaran, but that got all wrapped up. She and Dick were supposed to get married, but they got attacked by Raven who was evil at the time and an evil Dick from the future who went by the wonderful 90s-era codename of Deathwing. Some stuff happened after that and it was all really crappy and eventually she left the planet and he went back to Gotham to become Batman for a while, before becoming Nightwing again and moving to Bludhaven.

If you want to read about their romance check for New Teen Titans/New Titans issues until about 1988 or so. After that, the quality really drops.

[Sir Tim Drake]

I read on another forum that Robin from the Teen Titans animated series is Dick Grayson. They use the episode where Raven enters his mind and the episode where Star goes to th future and meets Nightwing as evidence. Also the fact that Dick was the one who originally had a relationship with Star.

But what I really want to know is what happens to Star when Dick becomes Nightwing and strikes off on his own in Bludhaven and gets all snuggly with Barbara Gordon AKA The Oracle?

Honestly, I wouldn't recommend any Starfire stories published after this point. Most recent Titans writers have treated the character very shabbily. If you want to see Dick and Kory's relationship at its peak, I recommend you check out the classic New Teen Titans. They got together around the time of New Teen Titans vol. 1 #26, and were a couple for a number of years after that.

But if you want to know the sordid details:

After the breakup in New Titans #100, she married a minor character called Ph'yzzon, supposedly got pregnant but it turned out she wasn't really, and went back to Tamaran. During the "Final Night" crossover in the mid-90s, Tamaran was destroyed and Ph'yzzon died, and Kory returned to Earth. She stayed in Dick's apartment for a while... on the couch. (Apparently Dick was not enough of a gentleman to give her his bed, and take the couch himself.) She was a founding member of the next-to-last incarnation of the Titans, but was written out of the series because the writer, Devin Grayson, had no idea what to do with her. She then joined the current Titans series, but again the writer (a different one this time) had no interesting ideas for the character, and she left to join the Outsiders.

[Harpy Prince]

I see... Still it's one of those comics I'd like to add to my collection.

[Damo]

Frankly, I'm with Devin. Such a mess has been made of Kory-Dick's relationship, and all her other relationships, that I have no idea what should be done with her until a lot of other people's crap's been resolved.

[Harpy Prince]

Frankly, I'm with Devin. Such a mess has been made of Kory-Dick's relationship, and all her other relationships, that I have no idea what should be done with her until a lot of other people's crap's been resolved.
I think Dick should reconcile with Kory and have some real "flying Graysons". Seeing as how Barbara is parylized from the waist down, is she working um... downstairs?

[ChthonicSpirit]

But if you want to know the sordid details:

After the breakup in New Titans #100, she married a minor character called Ph'yzzon, supposedly got pregnant but it turned out she wasn't really, and went back to Tamaran. During the "Final Night" crossover in the mid-90s, Tamaran was destroyed and Ph'yzzon died, and Kory returned to Earth. She stayed in Dick's apartment for a while... on the couch. (Apparently Dick was not enough of a gentleman to give her his bed, and take the couch himself.) She was a founding member of the next-to-last incarnation of the Titans, but was written out of the series because the writer, Devin Grayson, had no idea what to do with her. She then joined the current Titans series, but again the writer (a different one this time) had no interesting ideas for the character, and she left to join the Outsiders.


. . . . those details are very, very sordid.

When I wanted to study their history, I read New Teen Titans, and was greatly impressed. Plus, I always thought the uber-powered, fun-loving alien was a much better pairing for himthen Barbara, especially after he left the Bat-family. While I would disagree that she has never been written well since then (she was cool in A Kid's Game, where she verbally owned the JLA) I would agree that alot of writers have not respected their relationship. I wish all of this shit could be forgotten when the multiverse recombines.

[Citizen V]

I read on another forum that Robin from the Teen Titans animated series is Dick Grayson. They use the episode where Raven enters his mind and the episode where Star goes to th future and meets Nightwing as evidence. Also the fact that Dick was the one who originally had a relationship with Star.

But what I really want to know is what happens to Star when Dick becomes Nightwing and strikes off on his own in Bludhaven and gets all snuggly with Barbara Gordon AKA The Oracle?

In the Animated Teen Titans Universe,that question is not really answered.That episode was called "How Long Is Forever" when Starfire sees a possible future 20 years from the present day.When Starfire came back from the future to tell the present day Robin about himself in the future calling himself NightWing,it was ment as a prelude to a possible NightWing in a TT Animated Universe.

This could have been followed up,but sadly was not.

[Harpy Prince]

In the Animated Teen Titans Universe,that question is not really answered.That episode was called "How Long Is Forever" when Starfire sees a possible future 20 years from the present day.When Starfire came back from the future to tell the present day Robin about himself in the future calling himself NightWing,it was ment as a prelude to a possible NightWing in a TT Animated Universe.

This could have been followed up,but sadly was not.
They used an episode called "The Haunted" I think it's called as a referance, where Raven enters Robins mind and see's his parents fall from a trapeze.

[milk114]

or he could be a combination of pre-crisis and OYL Jason Todd then.

[Harpy Prince]

or he could be a combination of pre-crisis and OYL Jason Todd then.
What's OYL Jason Todd? I thought Jason Todd's old man was a mobster. And I think Jason died before he could join the Teen Titans.

[Citizen V]

They used an episode called "The Haunted" I think it's called as a referance, where Raven enters Robins mind and see's his parents fall from a trapeze.

They also showed Robin in silluette with him and someone,with Robin holding a uniform.There is another scene with oviously the Batcave and bats,a refrence to Batman.

My guess is that Robin on TTA,is a Animated version of Pre-Crisis Robin: Dick Grayson.

[Harpy Prince]

or he could be a combination of pre-crisis and OYL Jason Todd then.
I can see where you're coming from seeing as how Tim Drake seemed to be more like Jason Todd in Batman Gotham Knights. I guess we'll never really know which Robin it is. They don't seem to want to tell us.

[milk114]

OYL Jason Todd=nightwing

[Harpy Prince]

OYL Jason Todd=nightwing
What's the "OYL" stand for?

[Typo Lad]

One Year Later.

[Harpy Prince]

Jason Todd was changed in the OYL? How? Did he live?