NEXTWAVE General Discussion Thread

[Brian Cronin]

This here thread is for any general (i.e. non-issue specific) discussion about the title Next Wave.

-Brian

[Dennis K]

I almost picked it up this week and didn't, now I'm regretting it.

[Jack Flash]

yes you should. gr8 art. gr8 laughs. gr8 book.

[Dennis K]

I freakin' knew it. Damn it.

[The Fury]

I wish you luck in finding a copy. Sold out usually means sold out.

But then, if you can;t get the first issue. Buy the reprint, it will have lots of extra crap for the same price as the first print.

[Speed]

Its not that good.
I found it average at best.

EDIT: But in all honesty Dennis K, opinions are like arseholes. Everyone has one.
You won't truly know until you read the issue yourself.
You'll always get fans/haters on every book.

[dingo]

Its not that good.
I found it average at best.

I agree. It was OK. Nothing special.

What is your pull list Dennis? There may be other things that you should be picking up instead.

[ChildOfTheDarkholde]

I thought it was pretty much way overhyped, and like someone else mentioned, quite average in reality...

[RonnieThunderbolts]

AWESOME art. Good story, a few good laughs. One or two great jokes about Fin Fang Foom, and a nice set up. I'm in it for the first few issues, but I'm not totally sold yet. I am somewhere between "lives up to the hype" and "middle of the road." Time will tell where my opinions lie soon enough, as their story continues.

[Jake V]

Nextwave cures cancer.

Nextwave is so awesome that even the blind can see it.

Nextwave can get women pregnant.

Nextwave will bring world peace.

[dingo]

Nextwave cures cancer.

Nextwave is so awesome that even the blind can see it.

Nextwave can get women pregnant.

Nextwave will bring world peace.
So it would be fair to say you like it?

[Expletive Deleted]

NEXTWAVE is the most unique super hero comic on the market.

NEXTWAVE is printed with mother's milk.

NEXTWAVE will make you fall in love with Warren Ellis (you remember what love is, RIGHT?).

NEXTWAVE is the funniest comic book ever (take that, Dark Knight Strikes Again!).

NEXTWAVE proves that Stuart Immonen made a pact with the devil to make him the most versatile artist in the world.

NEXTWAVE contains subliminal messages that will increase your IQ and lower your cholesterol.

NEXTWAVE gloriously brings four lower tier characters back up into the upper tier while creating a few hilarious new characters.

NEXTWAVE knows where you live. Don't piss it off.

[The Wayner]

NEXTWAVE is a darned good book! I loved it.

[stealthwise]

Grab it, even YOU might like it Dennis! ;)

[Bearpod91]

I too almost picked it up a month ago then didn't, it doesn't sound like a book I would read.

[Comic Rush]

YES!!! It's very unique, but I wouldn't recommend it for younglings.

[Will.S]

I'd definitely recommend it.

Highly entertaining.

[Dennis K]

What is your pull list Dennis? There may be other things that you should be picking up instead.


Right now my pull list is made up of:

Batman
Books of Doom
Captain America
Dardevil (just added)
Incredible Hulk (Planet Hulk)
Jonah Hex
Marvel Knights Wolverine
Marvel Zombies
Punisher
Ultimates
Ultimate Fantastic Four
Ultimate Hulk vs. Wolverine


I picked up Nextwave a couple of times, and at first I found the art really off-putting, but then it started to grow on me, and like I said, now I'm really wishing I had picked it up.

[dingo]

Right now my pull list is made up of:

Batman
Books of Doom
Captain America
Dardevil (just added)
Incredible Hulk (Planet Hulk)
Jonah Hex
Marvel Knights Wolverine
Marvel Zombies
Punisher
Ultimates
Ultimate Fantastic Four
Ultimate Hulk vs. Wolverine


I picked up Nextwave a couple of times, and at first I found the art really off-putting, but then it started to grow on me, and like I said, now I'm really wishing I had picked it up.

Well obviously you need to go with your heart. If you feel you would like Nextwave go with it. But looking at your pull list I would say that there are two or three books you would be better served picking up instead.
Once again though, it is an opinion thing.

[Dennis K]

Well obviously you need to go with your heart. If you feel you would like Nextwave go with it. But looking at your pull list I would say that there are two or three books you would be better served picking up instead.
Once again though, it is an opinion thing.


What would you recommend?

[dingo]

Well I am a bit of an FF junkie so I will start with those. The pick of the FF buch at the moment would be The Thing. Fun old school superhero style written by Dan Slott. Highly recomended but only if you would like a taste of old school.

Ultimate Spider-man is Spider-man at its core. people tend to forget about books that maintain a creative team for a long time but you really should check this out, if only in trades. It has the essence of Lee/Ditko but set today.

Young Avengers is also a great read. Check it out.

And a few other mainstream books out there are worth a try.
New Avengers is good. (but slow)
Hulk is doing some exciting things for the first time in a long time too.

[Dennis K]

Well I am a bit of an FF junkie so I will start with those. The pick of the FF buch at the moment would be The Thing. Fun old school superhero style written by Dan Slott. Highly recomended but only if you would like a taste of old school.

Ultimate Spider-man is Spider-man at its core. people tend to forget about books that maintain a creative team for a long time but you really should check this out, if only in trades. It has the essence of Lee/Ditko but set today.

Young Avengers is also a great read. Check it out.

And a few other mainstream books out there are worth a try.
New Avengers is good. (but slow)
Hulk is doing some exciting things for the first time in a long time too.

I can't believe I forgot to put The Thing on my list! I know exactly what you mean about it having an old school vibe. I really hope it continues in the upcoming issues.

I tried getting into Ultimate Spider-Man awhile ago, but I just never could, it looked too much like a big splashy coloring book for my taste. I had picked up the Hulk when Peter David came onboard, but was really disappointed, so I dropped it again only to pick it up with the first issue in the Planet Hulk storyline, it looks promising.

[milly3cat]

I hated the art and regret buying it. It gets hyped up on the web, but I think it was over rated...... 4/10

[Iron Syndicate]

NEXTWAVE is better the soap!!

(If you don't believe me, check out the May Solicits....)

[Bedlam66]

Yes you should.

[Young Avenger]

4 out of 5 denists perfer Nextwave over soap!

[Ivan Isaacs]

One of the worst books I ever read. It makes "The Draco" look like a stellar story.

[Dial Tone]

I skipped it. I've never read anything from Warren Ellis that was better than mediocre, and I'm not going to support somebody who constantly says negative things about the superhero genre but writes about them because his own boring stuff doesn't sell.

Judging from the sales numbers, Nextwave is a soon to be failure on Ellis' ever growing list of Marvel assignments that he's been involved with. Of course, everybody can say "it was only planned for 12 issues all along" to try to pretend like it could have went on longer, but they're fooling themselves. He has been the least successful of any of the Ultimate universe writers.

Up next for Warren Ellis, he'll fail again on the big stage as he tries to revive the New Universe. His stuff is pretentious, and really nothing special.

Can Marvel please hire writers who respect the genre and cut this dead weight loose already?

[Expletive Deleted]

Judging from the sales numbers, Nextwave is a soon to be failure on Ellis' ever growing list of Marvel assignments that he's been involved with.Two questions.

1. It's a niche title in the 30k range, and it's tailor-made for the TPB market (where Ellis does very well). Isn't it a little premature to declare cancellation?

2. What else is on that list? ULTIMATE EXTINCTION #1 is in the top ten in January and IRON MAN (when it comes out) is doing around one-and-a-half times what it was before Ellis came on board. What am I forgetting?

[Carl Orr]

The veteran characters in Nextwave did and said more interesting things in 1 issue of Nextwave, than they ever did in all their previous appearances in the Marvel U. They went from lame-o's to somebodies thanks to Ellis. I highly reccommend this comic book.

[Young Avenger]

Judging from the sales numbers, Nextwave is a soon to be failure on Ellis' ever growing list of Marvel assignments that he's been involved with. Of course, everybody can say "it was only planned for 12 issues all along" to try to pretend like it could have went on longer, but they're fooling themselves. He has been the least successful of any of the Ultimate universe writers.

If I'm not mistaken, Nextwave #1 has sold out. Failure? I think not.

[Will.S]

One of the worst books I ever read. It makes "The Draco" look like a stellar story.
Oh hell no. Never.

It makes the Draco still look like the dried poop it is and pisses all over it.

[EmmettHULK]

I skipped it. I've never read anything from Warren Ellis that was better than mediocre, and I'm not going to support somebody who constantly says negative things about the superhero genre but writes about them because his own boring stuff doesn't sell.

Judging from the sales numbers, Nextwave is a soon to be failure on Ellis' ever growing list of Marvel assignments that he's been involved with. Of course, everybody can say "it was only planned for 12 issues all along" to try to pretend like it could have went on longer, but they're fooling themselves. He has been the least successful of any of the Ultimate universe writers.



I was shocked that in spite of all the hype, the book didn't even manage to break the top 50.

[Dial Tone]

Two questions.

1. It's a niche title in the 30k range, and it's tailor-made for the TPB market (where Ellis does very well). Isn't it a little premature to declare cancellation?

2. What else is on that list? ULTIMATE EXTINCTION #1 is in the top ten in January and IRON MAN (when it comes out) is doing around one-and-a-half times what it was before Ellis came on board. What am I forgetting?

Does anybody care about Iron Man? Even JQ said the next team will have people talking about Iron Man like they're talking about Bru's Captain America.

Notice how he he didn't say anything about Ellis' Iron Man? That's because it's not anything memorable, and a Marvel icon with a new #1 issue would have boosted sales with anybody. If anything, it was disappointing that a "superstar"... like Ellis couldn't bring in more readers than that.

Next wave's numbers are nothing to write home about. You can think they are if it helps you, but those numbers for a #1 are not very good, especially considering the hype given. I love the Thing series, but I don't try to spin it's disappointing numbers because of that.

Ellis was brought in to the secondary X-Men books like X-Force in the 90's and lulled everyone to sleep. Just one example of a failure. He brought down Ultimate Fantastic Four to "disappointing" sales. He sunk that title at a very crucial juncture. His Ultimate trilogy is not being hailed as anything great and the sales are not what was expected and it continues to run out of steam. These mini series events were supposed to be HUGE, yet they drag up the rear in Ultimate book sales. Ultimate Extinction will be no different than the first two failures.

[Expletive Deleted]

I was shocked that in spite of all the hype, the book didn't even manage to break the top 50.I thought the same thing at first, but then I realized . . . there was hype, but there wasn't a lot of actual offline promotion. There were a couple of house ads and those flyers that they send to comic shops with half-size preview pages.

Just goes to show that reaching the internet audience ain't all it's cracked up to be, I guess.

[Expletive Deleted]

Does anybody care about Iron Man?I don't know. Sales are up. I was just addressing the "endless string of failures" comment.Next wave's numbers are nothing to write home about. You can think they are if it helps you, but those numbers for a #1 are not very good, especially considering the hype given.They're not good numbers, no. I'm just quibbling over "failure."Ellis was brought in to the secondary X-Men books like X-Force in the 90's and lulled everyone to sleep.He only wrote the first storylines of each. Which, I should note, sold fairly well. We don't have numbers for that period, but we do have sales rank. GENERATION X and X-FORCE jumped from the top fifty to the top twenty and X-MAN jumped from the bottom half of the top hundred to the top twenty-five.Just one example of a failure. He brought down Ultimate Fantastic Four to "disappointing" sales. He sunk that title at a very crucial juncture.It dropped, but I'd hardly call 75k (or so) disappointing.His Ultimate trilogy is not being hailed as anything great and the sales are not what was expected and it continues to run out of steam. These mini series events were supposed to be HUGE, yet they drag up the rear in Ultimate book sales. Ultimate Extinction will be no different than the first two failures.So . . . top ten, highest of all the Ultimate books for the month, and it's a failure?

You don't like Ellis, fine. But I think you're letting your distaste color your interpretation of the numbers.

[Ryan Day]

Next wave's numbers are nothing to write home about. You can think they are if it helps you, but those numbers for a #1 are not very good, especially considering the hype given. I love the Thing series, but I don't try to spin it's disappointing numbers because of that.


It sold perfectly well for a book starring z-list characters that wasn't tied to an Event and featured a fairly unconventional art style. On top of that, it sold out in several days and Marvel is churning out a "Director's Cut" to follow it.

Is it a super-mega-hit? No. But I can't imagine Marvel is particularly disappointed. I'm not aware of any writer who can automatically sell a no-name book without a big artist attached. Even Bendis and Millar fall out of the top-50 when their book isn't attached to an X, Spider, or other high-profile brand.

And, as has been pointed out, Ultimate Extinction debuted in the top ten. There's no way to spin it that would lead someone to conclude it's a failure, unless you were assuming it would somehow outsell Crisis or All-Star Superman.

[Dial Tone]

There's a lot of spin going on that makes it look like excuses being made because of your own bias. If you want a reality check about the sales, compare them to Supreme Power.

and Expletive Deleted? I called next wave a "soon to be failure", not a "failure".

The rest of what he's done on the big stage has been unmemorable crapola. I'm not saying that for any reason other than it being true. It's clear that YOU like him, but that doesn't change reality. Nothing that he has written is making history or will be something that readers refer back to as classics in years to come. He's not that good, he's very average.

[Expletive Deleted]

If you want a reality check about the sales, compare them to Supreme Power.How so? What makes it a relevant to this discussion?

I don't see any parallels, and I'm curious as to what you're getting at.and Expletive Deleted? I called next wave a "soon to be failure", not a "failure".Duly noted.It's clear that YOU like him, but that doesn't change reality . . . He's not that good, he's very average.If you don't mind my asking, what objective standard of writing quality are you using to determine that?

EDIT: Sorry about the sarcasm, there. It's late and I'm cranky. My point is that quality is subjective. The fact that you dislike his writing does not mean his writing is bad. It just means it doesn't appeal to you. Neither does my liking his writing make him a good writer. It just means his work appeals to me. Thus saying something like "but that doesn't change reality" tends to set me on edge.

Oh, and as for his "classic" work, that'd be TRANSMETROPOLITAN.

[Dial Tone]

How so? What makes it a relevant to this discussion?

I don't see any parallels, and I'm curious as to what you're getting at.


If you don't mind my asking, what objective standard of writing quality are you using to determine that?

The parallel between Next Wave and Supreme Power is that they are both groups of "z-list" characters. One sells great because of the writer involved, the other is Next Wave, Warren Ellis' latest non blockbuster.

The objective standard I'm using to determine Ellis' worth as a writer for Marvel is history. History backs up the fact that he has never made any noise there, even after several attempts.

[TonyJaymz03]

reality is thats your opinion not fact. Nextwave was also seriously under ordered....it sold out at my comic shop within a day, b/c they only ordered 15 copies.

Ellis is my favorite writer right now, no lie. and thats my opinion.,..and he can't be doing too bad, if he is constantly given jobs at Marvel.

[Expletive Deleted]

The parallel between Next Wave and Supreme Power is that they are both groups of "z-list" characters. One sells great because of the writer involved, the other is Next Wave, Warren Ellis' latest non blockbuster.Ah, okay. Gotcha.

There's something to that. SUPREME POWER debuted high and has been remarkably consistent over the last few years. NEXTWAVE's debut was far, far less impressive.

That said, if you'll remember 2003, SUPREME POWER was heavily promoted. There were special editions at conventions, WIZARD articles, and the whole "we're starting a new imprint here, get on board" marketing shebang.The objective standard I'm using to determine Ellis' worth as a writer for Marvel is history. History backs up the fact that he has never made any noise there, even after several attempts.And, again, the ULTIMATE GALACTUS series has been doing very well. The #6 debut this month for the last chapter should speak for itself. IRON MAN is up around 150% (when Granov finishes an issue). His X-Revamp, or whatever it was called, increased the sales on all those books. His EXCALIBUR, ULTIMATE FF, HELLSTORM, RUINS, and DR. DRUID didn't do as well, but were hardly disasters.

What other kind of non-subjective noise is there?

[rwhite0604]

Nextwave is Meh.

Immonen's art is awesome, but anyone can write a parody that isn't even good. The art is good, the book is not. It's meh.

[Dial Tone]

reality is thats your opinion not fact. Nextwave was also seriously under ordered....it sold out at my comic shop within a day, b/c they only ordered 15 copies.

Ellis is my favorite writer right now, no lie. and thats my opinion.,..and he can't be doing too bad, if he is constantly given jobs at Marvel.

Yeah, he's about as good of a writer as Chuck Austen, who was constantly given work at Marvel, too.

[Dial Tone]

His X-Revamp, or whatever it was called, increased the sales on all those books.

I don't recall sales really going up on anything. I do know that none of the stories were memorable. Can you remember any of them? That's Warren Ellis. His stuff just doesn't have any impact.

[Agentum]

I read the issue, it was quite fun, but to compare it to Supreme power that is something completly diffrent i think?.

Is this supposed to be an ongoing series?

[Ryan Day]

Oh, and as for his "classic" work, that'd be TRANSMETROPOLITAN.

Or The Authority, which people are still trying to emulate to varying degrees.

(I don't think it's his best work by any means, but it's had as much impact as anything I can think of from the past 5-10 years)

[Expletive Deleted]

I don't recall sales really going up on anything.Look up the sales charts on usenet. They all jumped up considerably, position-wise.I do know that none of the stories were memorable. Can you remember any of them?I only bought the X-Force issues (Gen X never did anything for me, and X-Man was associated with too many '90s memories), but they were pretty good. The team met up with Pete Wisdom and fought bioterrorists in LA. Pete "died," Warpath got a new superpower, there was a ton of action, and Whilce Portacio's art was serviceable.

[Expletive Deleted]

Or The Authority, which people are still trying to emulate to varying degrees.Good point. That's probably his most influential superhero work.

[Dial Tone]

Sales were even lower than I thought. This is pretty bad for a #1.

http://icv2.com/articles/home/8247.html

NEXT WAVE #1 28,545

It barely outsold She Hulk #4 and Pulse #13.

[Core]

Sales were even lower than I thought. This is pretty bad for a #1.

http://icv2.com/articles/home/8247.html

NEXT WAVE #1 28,545

It barely outsold She Hulk #4 and Pulse #13.

It was under ordered.

I think it's going back to press (or director's cut...), isn't it? That should boost the first issues numbers a bit.

[Young Avenger]

Is this supposed to be an ongoing series?

The book is planned to have 12 issues. If sales are good then it will be an ongoing. If sales remain bad then the series will end with issue 12.

[streator]

i would recommend picking it up.
i've only read through the first issue in person, but it seems like an enjoyable book.
i would guess that it's going to be less about the characters and more about the creators, if that interests you.
that's why i'm mostly reading nextwave.
for ellis and immonen.
i could care less about any of the characters but ellis/immonen are making them enjoyable for me.

[Nick MB]

Ellis's Ultimate FF single-handedly converted a couple of my non-comic reading friends. And Nextwave's good too.

[Grizsly]

Right. So after a first post that just blasted out my less than stellar opinion of the Sentry, I figured I'd follow it up with something positive.

Well, ladies and gentlemen, that positive is two of (in my opinion) the most innovative X-Books to come out of the House Of Ideas, the new X-Factor and NEXTWAVE!

First off, X-Factor -

I haven't been this excitied about a Peter David book since his legendary Hulk run finished. There's just something about the feel of the book, and the characters, that makes me very happy as a reader.

Obviously, Layla Miller is the one wildcard in the bunch, as no one really knows too much about her, except that she "knows stuff." But with the way David has had her unfold events to make things work - ala dealing with the assassin in issue 3 - it's just a refreshing way to make someone powerful without giving her a lot (or any, apparantley) of superpowers.

Then you've got some of the old crew - Madrox, Strong Guy, and Rahne, who are all just perfect, as far as I'm concerned. Jaimie on Millionare? That had me rolling. And, without giving too much away here, wait until you here Strong Guy's "suggestions" of new names for he and Rahne next week when #4 hits. . .you'll see.

Siryn has always been a favorite of mine, and in this book she's perfect - confident, sexy, yet still flawed in her struggle with alcoholism. I look foward to seeing how she'll deal with the death of her father (supposedly slated for issue 7 or 8, I believe).

Then there's Rictor, depowered but still worth reading about - I like the realism of this series, especially how David's been detailing the stuggle Rictor has, now that he's no longer "in tune" with the Earth.

And finally, Monet - the black sheep, the one character everyone seems to hate and love. Personally, I'm thrilled to see her back in a mainstream book, and her arrogance is a welcome factor to the book's group dynamics.

I was a bit dissappointed to read in this week's CSN that Ryan Sook will be leaving after issue 4 - his noir style really helped, and beyond that he's just a solid artist - again, don't want to give anything away, but a sequence he illustrate with Monet in next week's issue. . .damn is she hot!

We'll see who steps up to fill in, but either way I look foward to the dark and witty fun that is the new X-Factor!



Ah yes, and then there's NEXTWAVE!

Warren Ellis, Stuart Immonen, and Wade VonGrawbadger are all favorites of mine, and when I heard they were starting a book with the tagline, "Healing America by beating people up!", I was psyched.

The first issue was OK. I was definatley intrigued, but also a bit confused. But no worries - wait until next week when #2 hits - it was without a doubt the best second issue I've read in YEARS. Just a helluva good read, and the feel of this book is VERY fun.

Heh - I'm practically holding my own fingers back from the keyboard to not spoil anything here, but the battle with Fin Fang Foom is absolutley PRICELESS!

The characters are a nice little group ala the Runaways - thrown away Marvel Universe characters given a whole new feel and look, and I think it works FABULOUSLY.

I'll hold off until more people pick up number 2, but trust me - it's worth the read, and NEXTWAVE is probably the most fun you'll have reading a comic month in and month out for the forseeable future. . .get in now and love it, folks!

[Twigglet]

I agree they are both great books. Definitly :)

[Gaveedra 6]

It's great when Marvel starts a new book that actually seems as if it will be around for a while. Not just another ongoing solo series for Gambit or Rogue or whomever they think will sell a few books this year. These books have A++ concepts and creative teams, and feature interesting characters. Yay Marvel!

[Grizsly]

It's great when Marvel starts a new book that actually seems as if it will be around for a while. Not just another ongoing solo series for Gambit or Rogue or whomever they think will sell a few books this year. These books have A++ concepts and creative teams, and feature interesting characters. Yay Marvel!

Agreed - and not only that, but they're monthly!! That's become a real treat in these days of bi-monthly and quaterly books. . .

[jarrod]

If Marvel solicits NeXtwave as an X-book, that how it's going to be percieved by retail. Pretty clear why they did it, similar to the last Alpha Flight series they're hoping it raises the book's profile.

[Jake V]

Unfortunatly it's not helping much. Issue #1 only sold around 28,000. That's already below the cancellation line for Marvel. Depends on if the sales stabalize or go up, or it may be cancelled as quickly as those awful solo books we've been flooded with.
To be fair, it was vastly underordered and sold out. They're going back to press with the first issue directors cut that is the same price as the first printing.

It's one of the few books that will probably increase in sales over it's run.

[Grizsly]

Unfortunatly it's not helping much. Issue #1 only sold around 28,000. That's already below the cancellation line for Marvel. Depends on if the sales stabalize or go up, or it may be cancelled as quickly as those awful solo books we've been flooded with.

That stinks - this book better make at least 12 issues!!!!

Go and get #2 next week, folks - trust me, you'll see a side of Fin Fang Foom you probably never even considered!

[Twigglet]

Unfortunatly it's not helping much. Issue #1 only sold around 28,000. That's already below the cancellation line for Marvel. Depends on if the sales stabalize or go up, or it may be cancelled as quickly as those awful solo books we've been flooded with.

28,000 is above it isn't it? I thought 18,000 was around the cancellation line.

I also think it depends on the characters, books expected to sell more (Cable and Deadpool, She-Hulk) sell less.

I do think however, that this series will be around for a while yet.

The first issue sold out VERY quick, and I can see orders going up, and the Reprint should do well.

[Beast]

To be fair, it was vastly underordered and sold out. They're going back to press with the first issue directors cut that is the same price as the first printing.

It's one of the few books that will probably increase in sales over it's run.
Marvel prints to order. So it can't be underordered and sell out. All books pretty much across the board sell out, because eventually the replacement copies they print get snapped up by retailers.

[Beast]

28,000 is above it isn't it? I thought 18,000 was around the cancellation line.

I also think it depends on the characters, books expected to sell more (Cable and Deadpool, She-Hulk) sell less.

I do think however, that this series will be around for a while yet.

The first issue sold out VERY quick, and I can see orders going up, and the Reprint should do well.
30,000 is the typical cancellation line. Some books with a very dedicated fanbase can keep a book alive if it skirts around 25,000. Anything lower than that is about where the book stops making money and is normally cut. Exceptions exist, such as the books that sell better in digest and use monthlies to coast until they have enough material for the next digest to come out which allows for more of the monthly issues.

[Twigglet]

Marvel prints to order. So it can't be underordered and sell out. All books pretty much across the board sell out, because eventually the replacement copies they print get snapped up by retailers.

Yes it prints to order, but if sales demand it, they will add another print run (e.g with Nextwave #1)

[Jake V]

Marvel prints to order. So it can't be underordered and sell out. All books pretty much across the board sell out, because eventually the replacement copies they print get snapped up by retailers.
Obviously, but in this case, retailers underestimated the interest in the book, hense all the sellouts.

[BlackKnight]

Or it did not sell as well as you all think... Numbers are numbers fokes, it sold 28K that is it. Did anyone think that perhaps this is just another internet thing, much like all the complaints. I mean if SHe-Hulk was half as popular as the internet makes her seem the comic would sell at lest 70K, but it doesn't.

So, like the comic but except it is not a big seller.

[Expletive Deleted]

It sold 28K that is it.Not counting however well it does on the second printing, of course.

And it's worth noting that Marvel has started overprinting again. Not much, but look at the sales charts. Even excepting the second printings, more Marvel reorders pop up on the bottom half of the top three hundred than they did during the early part of this decade.

[Gaveedra 6]

I like it better when the writers are answering the letters columns. Look at Young Avengers or Exiles, where they let the writer handle the questions from the readership. It's a more personal interaction, and it's cool to get an insight on the writer other than the editors who half the time don't know what they're talking about. :p
I think it's nice to have a little levity at the end of an issue, seeing as how basically every issue is depressing or agitating. I've found their jokes surprisingly funny. I'd like to hear more from writers too, but that rarely happens in X-Books. Ususally the best we could hope for was some elusive response that wouldn't quite answer a fanboy's heartfelt plea to see more Artie & Leech.

Maybe they could have Nightcrawler answer letters again. Is that considered cannon? :p

[LordAllMighty]

IIRC, Warren said Nexwave sold 37,000 copies and Marvel consider the book a hit.:D

[BlackKnight]

IIRC, Warren said Nexwave sold 37,000 copies and Marvel consider the book a hit.:D

Interesting so Warren is claiming that it sold 9K more then ICv2. I wonder who is more accurate. I think I am going with the impartional company..

As for a second printing, I believe they normally sell about 10K at most. So you are lookint at 38K total between the two printings. Not bad, not great, have to see how it does on the second issue.

[Beast]

Interesting so Warren is claiming that it sold 9K more then ICv2. I wonder who is more accurate. I think I am going with the impartional company..

As for a second printing, I believe they normally sell about 10K at most. So you are lookint at 38K total between the two printings. Not bad, not great, have to see how it does on the second issue.
Actually, the writers have been saying for a while that IVCS is off on it's sales numbers by between 10-14K (a number quoted by Nunzio DeFillips), mostly due to non-diamond distributors, subscriptions, re-orders, and etc. :)

[BlackKnight]

Actually, the writers have been saying for a while that IVCS is off on it's sales numbers by between 10-14K (a number quoted by Nunzio DeFillips), mostly due to non-diamond distributors, subscriptions, re-orders, and etc. :)

Interesting, so that would move all the comics up about 10K-14K putting Thing in the safty zone.. That is great... :D

And that would mean between two printings, Nextwave would be around 50K, very respectable, still, we will have to wait and see, Things numbers where up there on his 1 to.

[noh-varr]

The Diamond sells charts also only go by initial orders, not reorders and the like as well. Really the chart Diamond uses is very off since it doesn't take reorders, subscriptions and the like into account.

Also Nextwave rocks! It's one of two Marvel books I get, the other being Runaways in trades.

[Pyro]

So, I've been reading old issues of this and I was wondering, are the skulls supposed to represent one curse word, or any curse words? Because I have a really hard time figuring out what they are supposed to say. What I really want to know is the Captain's original name. Does anyone know?

[Tobias March]

So, I've been reading old issues of this and I was wondering, are the skulls supposed to represent one curse word, or any curse words? Because I have a really hard time figuring out what they are supposed to say. What I really want to know is the Captain's original name. Does anyone know?

Given the context of the Captain America anecdote I always assumed it was meant to be that nasty thing mommys and poppas do.

Course it could be the other four letter word. Not the other other four letter word, as Pulsar would have fried him, but the more obvious one. You know it. Four letters....we all do it....seniors frequently more so....your dog looks at you with an embarrassed expression when it does it...you know the one.

[bluedmighty]

I agree,

it is Captain "ish"

[DMike]

Nah, I can't see Cap actually beating up someone just on account of hearing that his name being Captain $h!+. Now Captain (See You Next Tuesday) is just so vulgar that I can believe Steve beating him up over it.