The Hulk: Sissified?

[beetheb]

Note: This Thread is very old, and I've since completely changed my Views on the Story. (Pak knew what he was doing, I semi-grudgingly admit). SO just a FYI....BTW, new posts start on page 4, anything before then is damn near a year old.


Everyones saying this whole "Planet Hulk" storyline is amazing, the best they've read in years, a sell-out hit etc. It just makes me want to puke.
Greg Pak (whoever he is and wherever the hell he came from) has the Hulk tied up in chains (chains that can actually hold him) and being sold on a slave market. Hell, give him a green afro and you can call him toby.

Greg Paks Hulk is a pussy.

When was the last time you saw a bullet, of ANY kind hurt the Hulk. When was the last time you saw a chain, from ANY planet, bind the Hulk?
Give me the Peter David Hulk; smart, cunning, unbelievably powerful and nigh invulnerable, tossing mountains, fighting the hordes of hell single-handedly and beating super-powers like Thor and Juggernaut to a standstill.

Hulk has Superman level strength and durability. When was the last time you saw superman tied up and shot by a Luke Skywalker reject with what looks like a miniature super-soaker.

Obviously, its all just a fictional story, not meant to be taken seriously blah blah blah. But it means something when an amateur like Greg Pak stomps in and destoys in 10 pages what took peter David and Bruce jones over 200 issues and 20 years to establish:

Hulk in the strongest one there is. End of story

[dingo]

Everyones saying this whole "Planet Hulk" storyline is amazing, the best they've read in years, a sell-out hit etc. It just makes me want to puke.
Greg Pak (whoever he is and wherever the hell he came from) has the Hulk tied up in chains (chains that can actually hold him) and being sold on a slave market. Hell, give him a green afro and you can call him toby.

Greg Paks Hulk is a pussy.

When was the last time you saw a bullet, of ANY kind hurt the Hulk. When was the last time you saw a chain, from ANY planet, bind the Hulk?
Give me the Peter David Hulk; smart, cunning, unbelievably powerful and nigh invulnerable, tossing mountains, fighting the hordes of hell single-handedly and beating super-powers like Thor and Juggernaut to a standstill.

Hulk has Superman level strength and durability. When was the last time you saw superman tied up and shot by a Luke Skywalker reject with what looks like a miniature super-soaker.

Obviously, its all just a fictional story, not meant to be taken seriously blah blah blah. But it means something when an amateur like Greg Pak stomps in and destoys in 10 pages what took peter David and Bruce jones over 200 issues and 20 years to establish:

Hulk in the strongest one there is. End of story

I think what you have done is explained why hulk has been boring for a long time and why people are excited about him again. He was having the same problem as superman.

If he can't be hurt how can you tell interesting stories?
If he can't be beat how can you tell interesting stories?

If it makes you feel better just think of it as the most Adamantium rich planet in the universe.

[beetheb]

Peter david told interesting and riveting Hulk stories for the better part of 10 years without having to weaken or cheapen the character.

And BTW, you think Supermans powers are a hindrance to writers? Check out Morrisons all star superman and tell me a GOOD writer can't take god-like beings like uperman and the Hulk and tell excellent stories.

[garin]

It's a combination of the inhabitants of the planet being powerful, and Hulk being weakened by his passage through the portal that brought him there (as explained in the issue).

He's regaining his strength over time, it won't be quite so one-sided for long.

[abyss]

Hulk in the strongest one there is. End of story
Thats the whole point of the storyline to take Hulk out of his element and show rthe reader he is the strongest on earth but not in the universe. Sure I think Hulk is the strongest on earth but there are plenty of cosmic beings that could beat him down. Just liek Superman isnt the strongest in the DCU. Just the strongest on the planet earth. I'd say Daneil Way did far more damage in his awful arc than pak has does here.

[beetheb]

well sure, obviously I know if it were a Hulk vs. Galactus battle, the hulk is like a piss-ant to Glactus, but you can't count ridiculously powerful "cosmic" beings in the context of this thread.

I just found it hard to believe that the Hulk- my hulk, the one i grew up reading - could be contained like that. The Hulk was always my absolute favorite marvel character, and now that Marvel wont leave a writer on the title for more than 3 damn issues, his story-arc is a giant jumble of half-assed concepts and lame Dune-like settings.

Dont get me wrong, the concept of The Hulk trveling to and exploring other planets and galaxies brings a new dimension to the character, one I like. But the concept should've been given to a writer who has the professional tools to pull it off.

[Hombre]

The concept of Planet Hulk is reminiscent of Fantastic Four 91-93 (the Thing enslaved by Lee/Kirby) and Incredible Hulk 210-211 (a very fine example of Len Wein and Sal Buscema's gifted storytelling). Whether there's anything substantial behind the hype remains to be seen.

[abyss]

well sure, obviously I know if it were a Hulk vs. Galactus battle, the hulk is like a piss-ant to Glactus, but you can't count ridiculously powerful "cosmic" beings in the context of this thread.

I just found it hard to believe that the Hulk- my hulk, the one i grew up reading - could be contained like that. The Hulk was always my absolute favorite marvel character, and now that Marvel wont leave a writer on the title for more than 3 damn issues, his story-arc is a giant jumble of half-assed concepts and lame Dune-like settings.

Dont get me wrong, the concept of The Hulk trveling to and exploring other planets and galaxies brings a new dimension to the character, one I like. But the concept should've been given to a writer who has the professional tools to pull it off.
I see what you mean here but again like stated in naother post the Hulk was weakend due to goign through the portal/black hole whatever you wanan call it. But so I don't find a bad storyline. As for marvel not keeping a writer on Daniel Way was the only writer who has had a small tenture on the Hulk. Brue Jones wrote it for years. And Pak wil lbe on for a while i think Planet Hulk is a year long storyline.

[beetheb]

bruce jones, peter david, daniel way and greg pak all within 2 years. thats not what Id call steady.

actually I think therre were a few more that did small storylines and one-shots, i just cant remember them

[abyss]

Yes but Jones was on the titles for years before he stop I call that long he went form issue 1-76...thats quite a long run. As for Daneil Way having to write an arc is really beyond me.

[beetheb]

no, jones went from the return on the monster storyline, like #32, or something, till 76.

Now if you want to count the number of writers Hulks had since #1...........well, that would just prove my point even more.

Im a Peter David fan, obviously, and he wrote it from #328 to #466. THAT is what I call a good run. All these little B.S. 4 and 6 issure runs by writers are pathetic.

[MythicBrawn]

I'm looking forward to it. A Hulk that can cut loose with wanton abandon. You gotta love it. Granted, initially he has been powered down but it won't be long before he is back to full strength. This is similar to the sigil bearers in Negation (defunct Crossgen). In their regular universes, the sigil bearers were extremely powerful. Once they crossed over to the Negation, they didn't have full access to their powers. This put them at a distinct disadvantage. As time wore on, they did get back to full strength. The fun was in seeing how they handled situations with a limited amount of power. Yes, I loved Crossgen and Negation was the amazing!!! Tony Bedard and Paul Pelletier were an amazing team and could do no wrong in my eyes.

[abyss]

Oh yes 34-76...my bad. Well I enjoyed Jones run I never liked the Hulk till I picked his run up. And you really shoudont compare writers to each other. There is no point. No writer is going to write the Hulk exactly the same as someone else each one will have there own intereptation. PAD had a mind blowing good run on the Hulk. It was the greatest run ever but there no poitning to expecting that again. Yes PAD's run is the my fav what i've read so far his orignal run that is. But I stil lthink Jones run is a very good read. Im not going to look for someone to acheived the same success as PAD did. And thats the same with any other title. There always one writer who is going to have a great run. That no one else can top it doens't mean that other writers should be deemded bad or not good enough because they don't meet the same cirtical sucess.

[agrich]

Since you're a big Peter David fan, you should remember the crossover with the Fantastic Four, concluded in Hulk 350, in which the Hulk was NOT the strongest one there was - his gray incarnation at the time was weaker than and was beaten by the Thing's pineapple version. In #350, the Hulk outsmarted the Thing - tiring him out, wearing him down, making him chase him, etc., etc., until at the end the Thing was gassed and the Hulk was able to pummel him.

And I think that's where you'll see this storyline going. The Hulk isn't the strongest one there is on this planet, so he'll have to fight smarter, and ultimately, he'll be on top again. It's just going to be a bit of a challenge for him, just like it was to beat the Thing back in David's Hulk 350. And that's good comics.

[beetheb]

Since you're a big Peter David fan, you should remember the crossover with the Fantastic Four, concluded in Hulk 350, in which the Hulk was NOT the strongest one there was

I don't even necessarily care if Hulk is the absolute "strongest there is", I mean, you're right, some of my favorite issues were Mr. Fixit having to use his brains and cunning where brute force used to work.

Its just the image of seeing the Hulk shot, fainting, passing out, bleeding, being chained that concerned me. I mean theres a big difference between the Gray hulk taking a bit of a whoopin from thing, and seeing "planet" hulk brought down to his hands and knees by a 5 and a half foot dweeb with a handgun.

I mean seriously guys! back in PADS day, The smart Hulk could've traveled through the portal, came out on the other side and had enough energy left to lay the entire planet to waste.

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Back in PAD's day, the smart Hulk could've traveled through the portal, came out on the other side and had enough energy left to lay the entire planet to waste.And then the storyline would've been over in one issue.

I could be wrong, but I think this story is about Hulk starting off in a bad situation and working his way back up to the Hulk we all know and love. While smashing aliens, of course.

[Capt USA]

I thought that this story is going to have the hulk eventually take control of the planet as it's leader

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I thought that this story is going to have the hulk eventually take control of the planet as it's leaderIt most likely is.

This way he has to work his way up from the bottom, though.

[Mean Mr Mustard]

First Thor, now Hulk.
All I hear is "power power power power power power power power power power".
*sigh*

[Expletive Deleted]

Sadly, it's an avocational hazard.

[Shellhead]

I don't even necessarily care if Hulk is the absolute "strongest there is", I mean, you're right, some of my favorite issues were Mr. Fixit having to use his brains and cunning where brute force used to work.

Its just the image of seeing the Hulk shot, fainting, passing out, bleeding, being chained that concerned me. I mean theres a big difference between the Gray hulk taking a bit of a whoopin from thing, and seeing "planet" hulk brought down to his hands and knees by a 5 and a half foot dweeb with a handgun.

I mean seriously guys! back in PADS day, The smart Hulk could've traveled through the portal, came out on the other side and had enough energy left to lay the entire planet to waste.

Wasn't it during the PAD run (my favorite Hulk run, btw) that Hulk first started bleeding? I think that PAD tweaked how his powers worked, shifting from Hulk being extremely bulletproof to Hulk having really fast regeneration. It was towards the end of the Pantheon phase that I remember Hulk starting to bleed profusely in certain fight scenes, a darker green than his normal skin color.

[Dark Soul # 7]

Wasn't it during the PAD run (my favorite Hulk run, btw) that Hulk first started bleeding? I think that PAD tweaked how his powers worked, shifting from Hulk being extremely bulletproof to Hulk having really fast regeneration. It was towards the end of the Pantheon phase that I remember Hulk starting to bleed profusely in certain fight scenes, a darker green than his normal skin color.Yeah. The first time i remember reading about it was when Wolverine realised it after he had gutted grey Hulk who stood up and healed pretty quickly.

[BeastieRunner]

I love the Hulk, and while he's pretty freaking powerful, there are others just as powerful if not more so. It's kind of nice to see him working from the bottom rung up for a change. I personally think this has made him back into an intersting character again. Even for a monster hero.

[Carl Orr]

If Marvel wants the HULK to be a top 10 monthly and be of the utmost quality, then they should put Millar and Hitch on the HULK monthly. Hitch has been chomping at the bit to have a run on the HULK monthly as he has stated in several interviews, so get it done Marvel.

[agrich]

If Marvel wants the HULK to be a top 10 monthly and be of the utmost quality, then they should put Millar and Hitch on the HULK monthly. Hitch has been chomping at the bit to have a run on the HULK monthly as he has stated in several interviews, so get it done Marvel.

Aside from the "monthly" part, which it's extremely unlikely would happen for more than a short stretch of issues at best, that all sounds great to me.

[Ravenheart]

I've been a Hulk fan for over 25 years and I'm liking the idea that for once the Hulk isn't the strongest one there is.

[Zero Hunter]

It is always more fun to read a character when he has to use his cunning just as much as his stenght to win. I like that the Hulk is a little weaker here and can't just smash his way through things, but instead has to think a little.

[Drifter]

And then the storyline would've been over in one issue.

I could be wrong, but I think this story is about Hulk starting off in a bad situation and working his way back up to the Hulk we all know and love. While smashing aliens, of course.

I love this idea! plus it'll be interesting to see his suprising return to Earth and how the heroes react....

[geordiesteve]

I'm enjoying this and thinking of it as Gladiator Hulk, in that he is a slave who is eventually going to rise to the top and lead armies, and possibly conquer the whole planet. I find that idea far more interesting than Hulk Smash!!!!!.....again.....and again. *sigh*

[StoneGold]

Peter david told interesting and riveting Hulk stories for the better part of 10 years without having to weaken or cheapen the character.

You're ******** me, right? First thing PAD did was literally weaken the character, have him revert back to the grey form. The one in your avatar. The one that got sliced up by Wolverine. Got his ass kicked by the Thing. Got penetrated by the Rhino's horn. Had a barb shot in his leg by Speed Freak, who then dragged him around town by it. Who had the Maestro snap his neck like it was dry spaghetti. Who had Vector of all people blast all his skin off his body!!!!

http://img31.echo.cx/img31/3695/vector3a0dn.jpg

And that's not counting the time where Juggernaut beat the crap out of him. Since Hulk wasn't trying that time.


So I'm thinking your credibility in this matter has taken a drop.

[Hombre]

That's Dale Keown's art from... Ghost of the Past? Talk about good and cheap.

[beetheb]

You're ******** me, right? First thing PAD did was literally weaken the character, have him revert back to the grey form. The one in your avatar. The one that got sliced up by Wolverine. Got his ass kicked by the Thing. Got penetrated by the Rhino's horn. Had a barb shot in his leg by Speed Freak, who then dragged him around town by it. Who had the Maestro snap his neck like it was dry spaghetti. Who had Vector of all people blast all his skin off his body!!!!

http://img31.echo.cx/img31/3695/vector3a0dn.jpg

And that's not counting the time where Juggernaut beat the crap out of him. Since Hulk wasn't trying that time.


So I'm thinking your credibility in this matter has taken a drop.


Actually no, it hasn't. All those examples you made, vector blowing his skin off, rhino piercing him, wolvie slicing him, all they do is illustrate how freaking tough and resourceful PAD made the character- even after all that, he still always won. He ALWAYS found a way to win, even if he went through hell to do it.

BTW, you should show the next page, where Hulk regrows every inch of his skin and hair in the course of 3 panels just by concentrating, that was another power PAD gave him.

Trust me, if you want to get into arguments about credibility when it comes to PAD's Incredible Hulk run, we could go 'round for days. I have a pretty good handle on who PAD's Hulk was as a character.

[Dark Soul # 7]

Actually no, it hasn't. All those examples you made, vector blowing his skin off, rhino piercing him, wolvie slicing him, all they do is illustrate how freaking tough and resourceful PAD made the character- even after all that, he still always won. He ALWAYS found a way to win, even if he went through hell to do it.

BTW, you should show the next page, where Hulk regrows every inch of his skin and hair in the course of 3 panels just by concentrating, that was another power PAD gave him.

Trust me, if you want to get into arguments about credibility when it comes to PAD's Incredible Hulk run, we could go 'round for days. I have a pretty good handle on who PAD's Hulk was as a character.Actually the time that Rhino pierced his skin Hulk lost. And under PAD´s writing Hulk lost to Trauma 2-3 times. I bet there´s more where Hulk loses under the writing of PAD.

[MythicBrawn]

BTW, you should show the next page, where Hulk regrows every inch of his skin and hair in the course of 3 panels just by concentrating, that was another power PAD gave him.


PAD has gone on record as saying that he never gave the Hulk his healing ability. The Hulk always had it but it was never showcased. He cited the example of the Hulk during Secret Wars. During that event, Banner was controlling the Hulk and his leg was hurt. He had to walk around on a crutch (reinforced but still a crutch) for awhile. When he returned to Earth and Banner lost control, the Hulk's recuperative power kicked back in full strength.

[CAPWOLF]

And by the way I actually remember a Superman storyline where he was in chains in space and a slave and shot and hurt by crazy alien guns. So you are wrong on that score as well. Im sure my Superman fans out there can quote the issues to you, it was memorable to me because Supes had a beard at the time.

[StoneGold]

Actually no, it hasn't. All those examples you made, vector blowing his skin off, rhino piercing him, wolvie slicing him, all they do is illustrate how freaking tough and resourceful PAD made the character- even after all that, he still always won. He ALWAYS found a way to win, even if he went through hell to do it.

BTW, you should show the next page, where Hulk regrows every inch of his skin and hair in the course of 3 panels just by concentrating, that was another power PAD gave him.

Trust me, if you want to get into arguments about credibility when it comes to PAD's Incredible Hulk run, we could go 'round for days. I have a pretty good handle on who PAD's Hulk was as a character.
Actually, no. You said PAD never weakened the character. And that was literally the very first thing he did. And I provided numerous examples to show where he did. PAD had Hulk lose more than his share of fights. Yeah, Hulk grew his skin back. And Hulk got up from that blast to fight more monsters in the latest issue too. If Pak has weakened the Hulk up at all, he's only following PAD's lead.

[bloodyarts]

I've been reading Incredible Hulk since the late '70s. My favorite run is the Mantlo/Buscema run of the 80s. Hulk's never quite been that good since, imo. I was not a fan of Mr. Fixit or Peter David's run, though I did love "Hulk: The End".

The Hulk should be a monster, not a wise-cracking bruiser. I much prefer the missile-proof "Hulk Smash!" version. Even the Hulk Smash version had problems against his foes, it wasn't all just one punch, fight over.

I don't see why a competent writer couldn't continue the tradition. I don't mind reversions to the Grey Hulk at times, I don't mind Banner being in control for a short time, but it should always come back to the raging engine of destruction, the most fearsome force on the planet, the strongest one there is, Incredible Hulk. Don't tell me that makes for boring stories; the Savage Hulk has had compelling stories and interesting villains for over 30 years, before PAD laid ideas to paper.

I'll admit the one thing I like from PAD's run is the tweaking of the origin and the splintered personality, though I don't think we really needed a Devil persona. It's enough that he has the potential to become The Maestro.

Also, the Hulk being injured by alien weaponry is acceptable to me, even if he wasn't previously weakened. Until it's established he's the strongest in the Universe, it's fair game.

[Capt USA]

You're ******** me, right? First thing PAD did was literally weaken the character, have him revert back to the grey form. The one in your avatar. The one that got sliced up by Wolverine. Got his ass kicked by the Thing. Got penetrated by the Rhino's horn. Had a barb shot in his leg by Speed Freak, who then dragged him around town by it. Who had the Maestro snap his neck like it was dry spaghetti. Who had Vector of all people blast all his skin off his body!!!!

http://img31.echo.cx/img31/3695/vector3a0dn.jpg

And that's not counting the time where Juggernaut beat the crap out of him. Since Hulk wasn't trying that time.


So I'm thinking your credibility in this matter has taken a drop.


I was actually going to quote that panel as an example of the Hulk having a healing ability, the next page I believe is with the leader and him making a comment about the hulk needing to clothe himself. I think that entire couple of panels of comics is some of the best I've seen of the Hulk.

[agrich]

Not to quibble, but the weaker, grey Hulk was actually appearing in the title around six months before Peter David started writing it.

[beetheb]

Not to quibble, but the weaker, grey Hulk was actually appearing in the title around six months before Peter David started writing it.

exactly, I was just going to post that when I saw you had already, nicely done

And, you know, just the Hulks brute strength dosent necessarily illustrate how powerful he is, strength isn't the only thing that can be associated with power- With the grey Hulk, it was strength and cunning, with the smart Hulk it was Strength, Brains, and in some cases restraint.

With Professor X it's purely his mind, and yet he can be considered one of the most powerful Marvel characters.

So, not only are you wrong in saying PAD immediately weakened the character (Al Milgrom did that), you're also wrong in thinking physical strength is the sole factor of a Heroes power.


BTW, can someone tell me where everyones getting these full comic pages to post? is it a website?

[StoneGold]

BTW, can someone tell me where everyones getting these full comic pages to post? is it a website?
Me = everyone?

I did an image search.

[beetheb]

This isn't the only thread that ever posted a full comic page or cover, I've seen them many times.

so no, everyone=everyone

[Dark Soul # 7]

exactly, I was just going to post that when I saw you had already, nicely done

And, you know, just the Hulks brute strength dosent necessarily illustrate how powerful he is, strength isn't the only thing that can be associated with power- With the grey Hulk, it was strength and cunning, with the smart Hulk it was Strength, Brains, and in some cases restraint.

With Professor X it's purely his mind, and yet he can be considered one of the most powerful Marvel characters.

So, not only are you wrong in saying PAD immediately weakened the character (Al Milgrom did that), you're also wrong in thinking physical strength is the sole factor of a Heroes power.


BTW, can someone tell me where everyones getting these full comic pages to post? is it a website?You do realise that just because Hulk is having a hard time in Planet Hulk at the moment it doesn´t mean that he´s been weakend. It more likely means that Hulk´s advesaries are that powerfull.

[cable guy]

This is the first issue of the story arc... and it's not like Hulk got slapped around easily.

I'll see what happens in the next few issues before I concede Hulk is not the strongest one there is on this planet.

[mr sinister]

why was the hulk in the latest fantastic four issue grey? why did they keep refering to him as green? where did the big helicopter take the hulk? i'm assuming it was alaska because that's where he was when s.h.i.e.l.d. approached him about going into outer space. and finally it seems that, in the previous hulk issues, that it was s.h.i.e.l.d.'s idea to leave him stranded in space but in the new ones it seems that it was the illuminati's idea. so who's was it?

[dingo]

why was the hulk in the latest fantastic four issue grey? why did they keep refering to him as green? where did the big helicopter take the hulk? i'm assuming it was alaska because that's where he was when s.h.i.e.l.d. approached him about going into outer space. and finally it seems that, in the previous hulk issues, that it was s.h.i.e.l.d.'s idea to leave him stranded in space but in the new ones it seems that it was the illuminati's idea. so who's was it?
The grey was the effect of him being at ground zero for another gamma bomb.

[StoneGold]

This isn't the only thread that ever posted a full comic page or cover, I've seen them many times.

so no, everyone=everyone
Only one in this thread.

[beetheb]

Okay, this is one instance where I can step up and admit I was wrong.

Pak knew what he was doing :D

I stand corrected.

[rZi]

Greg Pak (whoever he is and wherever the hell he came from) has the Hulk tied up in chains (chains that can actually hold him) and being sold on a slave market. Hell, give him a green afro and you can call him toby.

Going through the worm whole damaged the hulks strength and thus bullets and chains actualy work on him which is why he was forced into becoming a gladiator...because he had NO choice.

Greg Paks Hulk is a pussy.

When was the last time you saw a bullet, of ANY kind hurt the Hulk. When was the last time you saw a chain, from ANY planet, bind the Hulk?

Give me the Peter David Hulk; smart, cunning, unbelievably powerful and nigh invulnerable, tossing mountains, fighting the hordes of hell single-handedly and beating super-powers like Thor and Juggernaut to a standstill.


As much as i agree with powerful and invulnerable....smart just is not the hulk.

Hulk in the strongest one there is. End of story

I completely agree, some people will tell me im wrong and galactus or some other cosmic force would beat the hulk but his rage and "limit-less" strength is what i love about the character. That he constantly fights in an uncontrolable rage and makes whoever he fights look weaker i.e. thor or juggs

[cable guy]

Okay, this is one instance where I can step up and admit I was wrong.

Pak knew what he was doing :D

I stand corrected.

Props to you.

It takes a big man to step up and admit he was wrong.

[Mike Smash!]

Going through the worm whole damaged the hulks strength and thus bullets and chains actualy work on him which is why he was forced into becoming a gladiator...because he had NO choice.

Greg Paks Hulk is a pussy.Again, he was on a planet where the inhabitant were far more powerful than they are on Earth and where he had just been weakened going through the wormhole. The combination of those two surprised even the Hulk.

He's no pussy. You might have noticed that near the end of the Planet Hulk, when Sakaar was falling apart literally, the Hulk pulled the planet back together with his bare hands.

Pak's Hulk is as powerful as anyone's, it's just that he was temporarily weakened and fighting powerful enemies.

As much as i agree with powerful and invulnerable....smart just is not the hulk.Well, then you've obviously not read most of the Hulk's early history, as well at most of the 1980s-90s.

The Hulk didn't become the "Savage Hulk" -- the most famous personna --until the late 60s-early 70s, almost half a decade into his publication history.

The Hulk always goes through status quo changes. Look at his first six issues, he was practically a different character in each issue, before settling into what fans later called the "Grayvage Hulk". This is the Hulk that co-founded the Avengers, the Hulk that Peter David brought back about two years ago during his second run and it's the Hulk that Greg Pak is using now.

I completely agree, some people will tell me im wrong and galactus or some other cosmic force would beat the hulk but his rage and "limit-less" strength is what i love about the character. That he constantly fights in an uncontrolable rage and makes whoever he fights look weaker i.e. thor or juggsHulk is still the strongest one there is. He consistently does things that no one should be able to do and he did plenty of it in Planet Hulk. He'll do even more of it in World War Hulk.

[rZi]

The whole "Greg Paks Hulk is a pussy." was me quoting beetheb, i think pak's hulk is far from a pussy.

Again, he was on a planet where the inhabitant were far more powerful than they are on Earth and where he had just been weakened going through the wormhole. The combination of those two surprised even the Hulk.

I completely agree, hence why i summarised that the worm whole had weakend him and was the reason bullets/chains work on him.

He's no pussy. You might have noticed that near the end of the Planet Hulk, when Sakaar was falling apart literally, the Hulk pulled the planet back together with his bare hands.

Yeah just another example of why i love the character...heh i think me quoting beetheb made you miss interprit my comments.

Pak's Hulk is as powerful as anyone's, it's just that he was temporarily weakened and fighting powerful enemies.


Definatley, i mean just off the top of my head i can think of a few things...besides the whole holding the planet together, he beat the silver surfer after taking one hell of a hit (surfer might of lost on purpose but still..)
He had foreign lava on him and survived (i say foreign because it could be different to earth, i.e. hotter etc)

Well, then you've obviously not read most of the Hulk's early history, as well at most of the 1980s-90s.

The Hulk didn't become the "Savage Hulk" -- the most famous personna --until the late 60s-early 70s, almost half a decade into his publication history.

Ahh i see, im still trying to catch up with my back issues...being so young the savage hulk is always been the one ive grown up with, although i am fully aware of the Professor personality and what not i just didn't realise he was a little more talkative in his earlier days.

Hulk is still the strongest one there is. He consistently does things that no one should be able to do and he did plenty of it in Planet Hulk. He'll do even more of it in World War Hulk.

You summed up my thoughts exactly.

[Camron Amaya]

He held a whole planet together by his own damn hands while drenched in lava. How is that pussy?

[Smokeyjay]

Okay, this is one instance where I can step up and admit I was wrong.

Pak knew what he was doing :D

I stand corrected.

Shouldn't have bumped your old thread...ppl tend to read the first post only and respond. And not look at the date.

War Hulk I think is going to show Hulk with some ridiculous power. Maybe too ridiculous for my taste.

Apparently Loeb was saying he managed to hurt the Watcher. And he's going to battle it out with Sentry, who previously took on all of Marvel. Not to mention the Illuminati. Though I like how Hulk is back to one of the big hitter-he should always be an unstoppable force.

[beetheb]

Shouldn't have bumped your old thread...ppl tend to read the first post only and respond. And not look at the date.

Wow, I can see that. That never even crossed my mind either, I forget that some people don't take the time to read through the entire thread and usually tend to respond to the first few posts...not that theres anything wrong with that ;)

But the whole reason for digging up this old, and mostly moot, thread was because I went back and looked at it for the first time in like a year or something and was laughing at how indescribably wrong I had been on the entire subject...oh well, hindsight is always 20/20 I suppose, but lets get one thing straight right now.

Greg Paks Hulk is no pussy. Greg Paks Hulk gets pussy. And he's pretty frickin' tough too.

...and thats all I have to say about that :D