Catwoman #52 {SPOILERS}

[20yrslater]

I saw an advanced copy of this today, and, well she, apparently, kills the Black Mask for screwing up her life so much. She also seems frustrated by all that's going on, and Bruce, Holly, etc. telling her to get a grip. Pretty atypical of her, I think. Anyone else see this issue yet?

[stillanerd]

I saw an advanced copy of this today, and, well she, apparently, kills the Black Mask for screwing up her life so much. She also seems frustrated by all that's going on, and Bruce, Holly, etc. telling her to get a grip. Pretty atypical of her, I think. Anyone else see this issue yet?

I knew it. I knew Catwoman was going to kill Black Mask and that's why she has to change her name and identity in order to protect herself from reprisals. About time Roman Sirois bit it, too. His character really had nowhere left to go.

[outlander78]

At last! A wrap-up that went the way I wanted! Thanks for posting this ... now I just have to wait for my copy to arrive ...

[Watchman]

I can't say I'm disappointed with the whole thing.

Wonder how this will tie into the rest of Bat-universe.

[Captain Jim]

I saw an advanced copy of this today, and, well she, apparently, kills the Black Mask for screwing up her life so much. She also seems frustrated by all that's going on, and Bruce, Holly, etc. telling her to get a grip. Pretty atypical of her, I think. Anyone else see this issue yet?

Yeah, I did. I alluded to it on my DC shipping thread on the DCU board.

She definitely shoots the gun, and we're clearly supposed to think he's dead. But it's at the very end of the story and there are no details, so I wonder...

[AlistairCrane]

So does she sleep with Bruce or anyone in this issue?

[20yrslater]

No, she's pretty messed up, and appears to be on the verge of a major breakdown. I thought she'd sleep with Slam's son, but he bits it as well.

[Max_Dillon]

Damn...so I wonder who deposits the baby batter that leads to her OYL "problem"?

[OverMaster]

Once again proving you never can have enough deaths in Modern DC...

[Amethyst Rose]

"Baby batter"??? :eek: :confused: :p

Well, they did say it would be a step she couldn't walk away from, or something to that effect. That bites, though- now she can't say she's never done that particular thing.

[AlistairCrane]

"Baby batter"??? :eek: :confused: :p

Well, they did say it would be a step she couldn't walk away from, or something to that effect. That bites, though- now she can't say she's never done that particular thing.

Until such person pulls a Donna Troy.

[Guts/Batman]

Once again proving you never can have enough deaths in Modern DC...

Indeed...

And thus Selina Kyle is now a cold blooded murderer... :(

And btw, is anyone else getting the feeling that Sam Bradley is the daddy?

[20yrslater]

Indeed...

And thus Selina Kyle is now a cold blooded murderer... :(

And btw, is anyone else getting the feeling that Sam Bradley is the daddy?

I don't think Mask is really dead...

[Guts/Batman]

I don't think Mask is really dead...

Doesn't change anything though...

Intent matters more than results in this case. DC will have some trick to pull off to keep my SoD from breaking from this happening to Black Mask. You're SoD seems to have a longer leash than mine does right now.

Maybe a mask made out of Prometheum, something...

[Mia]

Indeed...

And thus Selina Kyle is now a cold blooded murderer... :(

And btw, is anyone else getting the feeling that Sam Bradley is the daddy?


Actually I think it's the son, Slam Jr. I found that 3rd panel with them sitting on the couch rather telling, just by the body language and the way they refused to look at each other. Sam had an accident in this issue but it looks as if he's made it. As for Selina shooting Black Mask, he had that comming by the way he kept insinuating all the people he was going to kill.

In all I really loved this issue a whole lot. Catwoman just get's better and better.

[Apathy Boy]

Doesn't change anything though...

Intent matters more than results in this case. DC will have some trick to pull off to keep my SoD from breaking from this happening to Black Mask. You're SoD seems to have a longer leash than mine does right now.

Maybe a mask made out of Prometheum, something...Well, if intent matters more, then Selina pretty much did the same thing in Brubaker's "Relentless" arc. For that matter, she manipulated her Boy Friday into getting himself killed by Bane in the initial storyarc from the Jim Balent series.

So Selina has lots of blood on her hands. Even in her current role as the protector of the East End, she's said she's not a hero.

Once again proving you never can have enough deaths in Modern DC...Yes, because villains dying at the end of a story is something that's only occurred recently.

[punisher_ryu]

wow, ive really been out of the loop........

just wondering, what does bruce have to say about this? i mean, he does love selina? right?

and now she's having some other guys baby.

OH THE DRAMA OF IT ALL!!!!!

anyone mind bringing me up to speed?

[OverMaster]

Yes, because villains dying at the end of a story is something that's only occurred recently.

But so often? In an age when 75% of arcs of more than two issues have at least one major or semi-major character dying?

[Apathy Boy]

But so often? In an age when 75% of arcs of more than two issues have at least one major or semi-major character dying?But surely the context of that death should be taken into account? This wasn't a beloved character who was shoehorned into a story soley to suffer a meaningless death for shock value. This was a story that had been building for four years, and this seems like a fitting ending for that story.

At some point, you have to let writers tell that story. Encumbering them with criticisms that nobody should die - EVER! - just leads to bad stories.

I mean, seriously, the Black Mask? Is anyone going to tell me that the character didn't deserve to die? Or that he has a particularly loyal fanbase?

[IamtheRock3]

Doesn't change anything though...

Intent matters more than results in this case. DC will have some trick to pull off to keep my SoD from breaking from this happening to Black Mask. You're SoD seems to have a longer leash than mine does right now.

Maybe a mask made out of Prometheum, something...


Well he did push him off a building before. Unless she expected him to fly then this isnt new.

[stillanerd]

Actually I think it's the son, Slam Jr. I found that 3rd panel with them sitting on the couch rather telling, just by the body language and the way they refused to look at each other. Sam had an accident in this issue but it looks as if he's made it.

Impossible because, in the One Year Later preview pages on Newsarama, Selina gives birth to her baby in issue #53. And unless Selina is somehow a mutant who can be pregnant for 12 months, Slam Jr. is not the father. It's either going to be Batman (which I would hope for) or Slam Bradley (which it's very likely going to be.)

[AlistairCrane]

Impossible because, in the One Year Later preview pages on Newsarama, Selina gives birth to her baby in issue #53. And unless Selina is somehow a mutant who can be pregnant for 12 months, Sam Jr. is not the father. It's either going to be Batman (which I would hope for) or Slam Bradley (which it's very likely going to be.)

Why not Sam? I'm sure he'll be recovered from his wounds in 3 months time. I don't want it to be anyone but Bruce, but I'm just saying it's possible to be Sam's.

[stillanerd]

Why not Sam? I'm sure he'll be recovered from his wounds in 3 months time. I don't want it to be anyone but Bruce, but I'm just saying it's possible to be Sam's.

I meant Slam Jr., Slam Bradley's son, and I don't think that will happen since Jr. looks pretty dead. Slam Bradley, however, could very well be, although I too would want Bruce to be the father as well.

[Mia]

Impossible because, in the One Year Later preview pages on Newsarama, Selina gives birth to her baby in issue #53. And unless Selina is somehow a mutant who can be pregnant for 12 months, Slam Jr. is not the father. It's either going to be Batman (which I would hope for) or Slam Bradley (which it's very likely going to be.)


Why is it impossible? There's no evidence that they hooked up in that issue. But that doesn't mean it doesn't mean that it didn't happen later down the line. It takes 9 months for a full termed baby to me born, and even less for a premature one. Who knows what happened within the interveening months. Also we don't know how badly Slam Jr. was hurt. People have walked away from worse crashes.

[Guts/Batman]

People have walked away from worse crashes.

Indeed.

I have no doubt in my mind he is still alive.

[Damo]

Review: Adequate.

Comments: Have no clue why anyone's up in arms about Selina shooting Black Mask. Yeah, it probably won't take, but even if it does, so what? Selina might be trying to be a hero, but what she's really about is protecting those around her. I never thought she was as firm a believer in the "we don't cross that line" stuff as Bruce. She might prefer not to have to kill, but I see nothing inconsistent with past portrayals here. BM made it quite clear that he was never going to stop. Selina did what she had to to protect the people she cares about. And this wasn't a sudden appearance and death of a character. This has been building for years, escalating bit by bit until it all came to a head(shot).

My only "wait... what?" moment in the issue was the conversation between the doctors. Seriously, someone having a note carved into them is the worst thing you've seen in a Gotham hospital? A Gotham hospital??? Dude, come on...

[mohammedali]

Finally read this issue, so I can post on this thread. Firstly, a quick biology lesson. For those wondering who Catwoman gets it on with in the issue, the reason it was no one was because it takes 9 months to have a child, not 12. Given that she's seen giving birth OYL, it's obvious that the current issue doesn't show who the father is, and I wouldn't be suprised if even 52 fails to mention it. Chances are it'll be addressed in the Catwoman book when the right time comes.
With regards to the issue itself, it was interesting, though slightly scattered. I liked some of the witty dialog that we've come to love from Catwoman. Regarding Black Mask, given what recently happened in Batman, I'm guessing that anything that happens before the IC multi Earth scene at the end of most comics, there will be a retcon. I can tell you now that DC would not kill off such important characters just like that without going back and changing it again.

Mohammed Ali