Legion of Super Heroes

[ROSS]

I had some extra money and went out and picked all the issues of LOSH. I had thought at first it'd be difficult to follow with the team having so many members. But after the issues 1-6, I learned I was wrong.

It's a great book and seems to be staying away from all the Crisis events. I've only read up to issue 9 so I could be mistaken. And the letter pages are something I've never seen before.

I can say it was money well spent.

[onenatv]

Second that!

[Sir Tim Drake]

Welcome to the Legion. We're glad to have you. :)

[CaptainAwesome]

Maybe its different if you read it all at once, but I find the plot very slow moving. The first story took a year to tell! But things are looking better if they keep going the direction started in #14.

[PatrickG]

Waid has done an outstanding job making the book accessible.

It's interesting to me that he's rebooted the team TWICE and I think what made the difference was that the first reboot he did was, as much as I still enjoy it, a shallow reboot. It was stripping away continuity. It was about baiting people with the prospect of their favorites returning.

This latest reboot was not continuity driven. I think you'll even find that most of the LSH fans who don't like it seem to take issue with that point more than anything. The Legion didn't "need" rebooting this time from a continuity perspective. The DnA Legion that preceded Waid's run had more or less the same amount of continuity as Waid's team since Waid's group started out as an existing team from issue #1. This reboot didn't simplify the continuity.

However, it did what I like to think of as "eloquence through complexity".

The Legion started as a social club that acted as a peer group for Superboy. Cool concept.

But the farther LSH grew from that, the more they became a large, extended family of super-heroes in the future. Which is cool but in and of itself isn't a cohesive concept that will draw in people who don't give a rat's @$$ about them.

This reboot effectively changed that. Now, they are a peer group for eachother, fighting against a Utopian society built on repressing teenagers. They have a subculture. They have Legion-specific lingo. They have a mission statement. And they aren't really super-heroes in the conventional sense. Instead, they are self-consciously dressing up as (in some cases, corny) super-heroes as a form of protest.

I think it throws people off that they don't really fight super-villains every issue. I think it throws people off that the soap opera sometimes takes over to an extent that you don't see in many modern comics and that the sci-fi aspect of these alien cultures being thrust together is almost more important to the story than the scope of the threats they face.

If you're reading it for the battle with Lemnos or whatever, you're missing the point. It's really more like "Party of Five" meets "The Authorty". And if you can buy that concept, it's really quite good.

[WAYNIAC5]

I'm the proud owner of every single panel appearance of the LSH and I must say have ing gone through all the past re-boots this is looking to be the most promising. I was skeptical at first and then kept telling myself, " no this is waid. He wont let it get screwed up".

I think it's shaping into a great read. I haven't looked forward to it on a monthly basis like this since the Levitz abnd giffen era.

[Zero Hunter]

I'm the proud owner of every single panel appearance of the LSH and I must say have ing gone through all the past re-boots this is looking to be the most promising. I was skeptical at first and then kept telling myself, " no this is waid. He wont let it get screwed up".

I think it's shaping into a great read. I haven't looked forward to it on a monthly basis like this since the Levitz abnd giffen era.


See I am the exact same as far as having nearly every apperence, except I have the total oppiste feeling. Waid loses me a little more with each issue. I thought the first arc was way to long, and I really dislike some of the new personality he has thrown onto some characters (Brainiac 5 and Violet esspecially). The Underagers thing started getting boring after the 5th issue and everytime he brings it back up now it grates on my nerves. I am hoping that after the One Year Latter hits with issue 16 that he leaves alot of that underagers stuff behind and jsut deals with the team being a team, and not some big movement. I like the interaction of the team for the most part with each other, but man when ever they are dealing with anyone else they bug me.

[Killer Frost]

Welcome to the club, Ross. LoSH is full of surprises, even for old Legion fans. Read on to issue 14 and you'll see what I mean.

[ROSS]

I finished them all this morning. I do have to agree that it was a long storyline but maybe because I've never read this series before, I still enjoyed it.

[redlantern2051]

Its a great series. I really like it.

[WAYNIAC5]

See I am the exact same as far as having nearly every apperence, except I have the total oppiste feeling. Waid loses me a little more with each issue. I thought the first arc was way to long, and I really dislike some of the new personality he has thrown onto some characters (Brainiac 5 and Violet esspecially). The Underagers thing started getting boring after the 5th issue and everytime he brings it back up now it grates on my nerves. I am hoping that after the One Year Latter hits with issue 16 that he leaves alot of that underagers stuff behind and jsut deals with the team being a team, and not some big movement. I like the interaction of the team for the most part with each other, but man when ever they are dealing with anyone else they bug me.


dO YOU GO FOR PANEL appearences and cameos as well? I've been planning on compiling a comprehensive list of crossovers, cameos, and panel appearances maybe we'll have to cross reference. I've never found one tyhat was even close to comprehensive.

I guess on waid we'll have to agree to disagree.

trivia: What was mark Waids first work on the legion?

[Alex L]

See I am the exact same as far as having nearly every apperence, except I have the total oppiste feeling. Waid loses me a little more with each issue. I thought the first arc was way to long, and I really dislike some of the new personality he has thrown onto some characters (Brainiac 5 and Violet esspecially). The Underagers thing started getting boring after the 5th issue and everytime he brings it back up now it grates on my nerves. I am hoping that after the One Year Latter hits with issue 16 that he leaves alot of that underagers stuff behind and jsut deals with the team being a team, and not some big movement. I like the interaction of the team for the most part with each other, but man when ever they are dealing with anyone else they bug me.

I agree that the first arc was quite long, but I like the characterization. I haven't read too much Legion before, and so I guess I'm not as attached to the traditional portrayal of the characters.

I don't know if Element Lad was not a deep philisophical thinker before, and I don't know if Brainiac 5 was not a jackass before. I just know these characters as they are now.

[Ontir]

Maybe if I sit down and re-read them all in one sitting, the thing will seem less disjointed.

In terms of accessability, he introduced all these villains near the end (or maybe it was the middle) of the arc, and from issue to issue, never bothered to identify most if any of them, except Lemnos and Elysion. Not good!

While it's certainly pretty, at this point, I'd have to give the book a solid "C," with a note that I'm filled with trepidity about the arrival of Supergirl, which seems more out of a need to fulfill some sense of nostalgia, than a need in service to plot.

[Zero Hunter]

Man all I can say is the ice is even thinnner for this book after the total disapointment that was issue 15. That was by far the lamest issue yet. I was all jazzed up hoping for a little multiversion Legion action, and instead it was just a tease for a rip off of an episode of Batman the Animated series. And worse was the way Waid reworked all the characters to fit in more with his version of the Legion. I truly hated this issue. And the scene with the stupid kids again. How many times is Waid going to beat us over the head with his "kids good, adults bad" stick. Seriously if issues 16 and 17 don't totaly blow me away Legion is coming off my list for the first time in 20 years.

[Carl Orr]

Man all I can say is the ice is even thinnner for this book after the total disapointment that was issue 15. That was by far the lamest issue yet. I was all jazzed up hoping for a little multiversion Legion action, and instead it was just a tease for a rip off of an episode of Batman the Animated series. And worse was the way Waid reworked all the characters to fit in more with his version of the Legion. I truly hated this issue. And the scene with the stupid kids again. How many times is Waid going to beat us over the head with his "kids good, adults bad" stick. Seriously if issues 16 and 17 don't totaly blow me away Legion is coming off my list for the first time in 20 years.

I took it off my pull list by issue #12. This is the worse version of the Legion I have ever read. It gets a 10/10 on the snooooooooozzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz-o-meter.

[PatrickG]

Man all I can say is the ice is even thinnner for this book after the total disapointment that was issue 15. That was by far the lamest issue yet. I was all jazzed up hoping for a little multiversion Legion action, and instead it was just a tease for a rip off of an episode of Batman the Animated series. And worse was the way Waid reworked all the characters to fit in more with his version of the Legion. I truly hated this issue. And the scene with the stupid kids again. How many times is Waid going to beat us over the head with his "kids good, adults bad" stick. Seriously if issues 16 and 17 don't totaly blow me away Legion is coming off my list for the first time in 20 years.

"Eat it, Grandpa" says in three words what the Legion is all about now. If Waid doesn't play that card, it isn't a Legion story.

[Carl Orr]

If you're reading it for the battle with Lemnos or whatever, you're missing the point. It's really more like "Party of Five" meets "The Authorty". And if you can buy that concept, it's really quite good.

The Authority is a violent action driven comic book, and there is very little action, if any at all in Waid's Legion. There is however, a lot of Party Of Five in it. It is a good series to read before going to bed, because it will put you to sleep for sure.

[Zero Hunter]

"Eat it, Grandpa" says in three words what the Legion is all about now. If Waid doesn't play that card, it isn't a Legion story.

No it just isn't a "Waid" Legion story. Seriously I don't think he needs to bash us over the head with it every stinkin issue. That card got tired 6 issues ago. Now it is just anoying. This whole issue served no purpose whatsoever except to bash us over the head with his stupid concept again. I hate the "kids are good and adults are dumb and bad" angle and I hate the "Legion is a movement" angle. Maybe I should just say the hell with it and not even bother with issue 16 since I really don't think it is going to make much of a difference.

[Carl Orr]

No it just isn't a "Waid" Legion story. Seriously I don't think he needs to bash us over the head with it every stinkin issue. That card got tired 6 issues ago. Now it is just anoying. This whole issue served no purpose whatsoever except to bash us over the head with his stupid concept again. I hate the "kids are good and adults are dumb and bad" angle and I hate the "Legion is a movement" angle. Maybe I should just say the hell with it and not even bother with issue 16 since I really don't think it is going to make much of a difference.

You should. The Legion deserves much better than what Waid is dishing out on them currently.

[Killer Frost]

And worse was the way Waid reworked all the characters to fit in more with his version of the Legion. I truly hated this issue. And the scene with the stupid kids again. How many times is Waid going to beat us over the head with his "kids good, adults bad" stick.

Hate to state the obvious, but Waid didn't even write the main story. Stuart Moore did. It was a forgettable homage story written with an especially heavy hand but nothing worth getting worked up about.

The backup, disguised as a letter column, was Waid's and it was the most fun I've had reading a comicbook since, well, the last Legion letter column.

[Zero Hunter]

Ok I didn't realize at first that Waid didn't write the main story. All I saw was Waid name on the cover and once I read the book I havn't picked it up since. Moore took everything I hated about Waids run and amped it up 10 times which is probably why I hated this issue so much. The sad part is that it read so much like the rest of Waids run that without the name on the cover you would never know it wasn't Waid, and that is not a good thing.

Honeslty I am kinda sick of the letter pages too though. When they said they were doing to make this book extra length for backups I was kinda happy. To me these letter pages have been a waste of space. I know some people really like them, but I would much rather see some back up stories that actully showed a little more of the characters that just dumb jokes and such.

I still think I am dropping the book with this issue. Waid or no Waid it was still kinda the last straw for me quality wise.

[WAYNIAC5]

No it just isn't a "Waid" Legion story. Seriously I don't think he needs to bash us over the head with it every stinkin issue. That card got tired 6 issues ago. Now it is just anoying. This whole issue served no purpose whatsoever except to bash us over the head with his stupid concept again. I hate the "kids are good and adults are dumb and bad" angle and I hate the "Legion is a movement" angle. Maybe I should just say the hell with it and not even bother with issue 16 since I really don't think it is going to make much of a difference.

you guys realize that the story your bitching about isnt even written by waid right?

[titanfan]

Man all I can say is the ice is even thinnner for this book after the total disapointment that was issue 15.

Why? Why is the big question of this issue--why are they sticking a fill in? We just had a "downtime" issue of the book, and now sticking a fill-in certainly isn't going to help the pacing problems of this book. It's like they're doing their best to try and kill this book. Despite the excellent quality of some issues, it's been very difficult for this series to sustain any momentum whatsoever.

[Killer Frost]

Why? Why is the big question of this issue--why are they sticking a fill in? We just had a "downtime" issue of the book, and now sticking a fill-in certainly isn't going to help the pacing problems of this book. It's like they're doing their best to try and kill this book. Despite the excellent quality of some issues, it's been very difficult for this series to sustain any momentum whatsoever.
I see no problem with the book's "momentum" when (by March 8th) we will have seen 4 issues of LoSH in 7 weeks.

The creators wanted to homage the past before they moved off in a new direction, and introduce the characters to readers coming on board for Supergirl. If you didn't like the story, all you have to do is wait two weeks. It's not that painful.

The last issue was no mere downtime story, it was one of mourning, closure and sea change, in which we saw the transition from Stage I ("indie rock" rebellion) to Stage II (officially sanctioned super-hero force). Right on the cusp of OYL, this was the perfect time for a fill-in that tipped its hat to the past, imho.

[Sir Tim Drake]

I liked the issue. The first story is not up to Mark and Barry's level of quality, but what do you expect from a fill-in? The second story was hilarious and full of good character moments.

I'm frustrated by all this negativity, though. I feel that people are focusing too much on the flaws of this series, and refusing to let themselves be seduced by its good points. I don't like the "Eat it, grandpa" motto, for example, and I actively hated the last backup story that Stuart wrote, but I didn't let these things interfere with my enjoyment of everything else in those issues. Perhaps the difference is I want to like this series, while others want to dislike it.

[Ontir]

I'm going to pick up #15 on saturday, and I'm going to get probably the next 2 or 3, but if they haven't gotten signifigantly better, I'm going to drop the book. Right now, the book is actually frustrating me, and $36/year for frustration is just sado-masochism.

[Shellhead]

"Eat it, Grandpa" says in three words what the Legion is all about now. If Waid doesn't play that card, it isn't a Legion story.

Your whole shuffleboard team probably hates that line. ;)

[Zero Hunter]

I liked the issue. The first story is not up to Mark and Barry's level of quality, but what do you expect from a fill-in? The second story was hilarious and full of good character moments.

I'm frustrated by all this negativity, though. I feel that people are focusing too much on the flaws of this series, and refusing to let themselves be seduced by its good points. I don't like the "Eat it, grandpa" motto, for example, and I actively hated the last backup story that Stuart wrote, but I didn't let these things interfere with my enjoyment of everything else in those issues. Perhaps the difference is I want to like this series, while others want to dislike it.

I want to love this series. I really do. I would not have stuck around this long if I didn't. It is just that to me for every good thing in almost every issue there is just as much bad. I have been with the Legion in all of its incarnations over the years, and honestly this is the one I like the least. I can't just drink the kool aid and be "seduced" by the good when there is so many other parts that are bad in my eyes.

And I still hold Barry Kinston in very high regard as an artist. I think it is his art that has helped me continue with this title even with my dislike of Waids writing on the book.

[redlantern2051]

Am I in the minority? I actually enjoyed the homage to the past, and loved the backup! Oh well! This is a book i am really enjoying.

[Michael P]

I liked the issue. The first story is not up to Mark and Barry's level of quality, but what do you expect from a fill-in? The second story was hilarious and full of good character moments.

I'm frustrated by all this negativity, though. I feel that people are focusing too much on the flaws of this series, and refusing to let themselves be seduced by its good points.

Welcome to the Internet. May I take your coat?
Perhaps the difference is I want to like this series, while others want to dislike it.
Tell him what he's won, Johnny.

[WAYNIAC5]

Am I in the minority? I actually enjoyed the homage to the past, and loved the backup! Oh well! This is a book i am really enjoying.


No your not. I'm right there with you . It's the first legion series I've looked forward to on a monthly basis since the LEVITZ-GIFFEN days.

I've stuck through I dont know whow many seires in between now and then that didnt have one fifth this momentum.

you realize the way this is shaking out the first issue of this series is the first appearance of the post "infinite crisis universe" since it appears the waid reboot is actiually post Infiinite crisis.

[Sir Tim Drake]

Welcome to the Internet. May I take your coat?

Darn! I hoped you wouldn't notice I was wearing Brin's duster.

[Ontir]

You know, I've just realised that the only Waid books I bought and really enjoyed, were Kingdom Come and JLA. I never got into the work he did on any other series, and maybe that has something to do with the fact that I'm decreasingly interested in this book. I'm hanging on for a few of the "Supergirl" issues, hoping for an improvement, but without that, not much more. A statement that really saddens me!

[Shellhead]

You know, I've just realised that the only Waid books I bought and really enjoyed, were Kingdom Come and JLA. I never got into the work he did on any other series, and maybe that has something to do with the fact that I'm decreasingly interested in this book. I'm hanging on for a few of the "Supergirl" issues, hoping for an improvement, but without that, not much more. A statement that really saddens me!

Empire was great, and JLA: Year One was pretty good.

[Sabrinaset]

You know, I've just realised that the only Waid books I bought and really enjoyed, were Kingdom Come and JLA. I never got into the work he did on any other series, and maybe that has something to do with the fact that I'm decreasingly interested in this book. I'm hanging on for a few of the "Supergirl" issues, hoping for an improvement, but without that, not much more. A statement that really saddens me!

Well, add "Fantastic Four" and "Flash" to that list for me. Especially the FF. But, can't really list anything Waid did that I *didn't* like...until now.

I must have been the only one here hoping that the robed guy was the Time Trapper, and that we'd get something close to a REAL Legion story without the age-ism Waid is putting out. Well, I'll stick around and see if Supergirl does anything for me, but I'm kinda on my last legs here as well.

[PatrickG]

As a 25 year-old, I have to say that I think that while teenagers and kids may have driven the consumer culture twenty years ago, teenagers today do have it worse every year and I am outraged by the way our society demonizes youth while creating a bloated, pampered, exhalted status for the Baby Boom generation.

Every day, some stupid news station is running reports on, "What's wrong with today's youth" and every year, I get more and more sick of it. What's worse, today's kids aren't rebelling like the beats or the hippies. The ones who do get labelled as freaks.

The people who were popular when I was in high school during the cynical 90s would be outcasts today.

And what do we do when a Columbine happens? We blame the kids.

My generation and my parents generation need a healthy dose of, "EAT IT, GRANDPA!" So do the school administrators and media personalities and politicians out there.

And comic shops aren't a bad place to send out that message first since too many damned fanboys are "growing up" while simultaneously hogging a medium about people in spandex. So they're old enough to sit around pondering the rehabilitation rate of rapists and they want that stuff shoe-horned into their comics in place of the REALLY cool stuff like gorillas, rocketships, pirates, cowboys, ninjas, spies, explosions, unicorns, magic and parallel universes.

To coin a phrase in the 31st century vernacular, "Sprock that noise!"

If you aren't a kid or a kid at heart and you're offended by the notion that adults may not be as superior to children as you think they are, if your response to teenage angst is to yell, "SHUT UP!", if you think kids today need more metal detectors and discipline then I hope you are offended by this comic because you deserve to be offended.

[Michael P]

that we'd get something close to a REAL Legion story
You mean the last 14 issues were just figments of my imagination? Wowsers, I'm more screwed up than I thought!

[Sir Tim Drake]

I think the Legion's founding principle is "youth" in a more abstract sense, in the sense of vitality, enthusiasm, innocence, novelty, etc. And what they are opposed to is stagnation, or backwardness, or hidebound traditionalism. It's not as simple as "teenagers good, adults bad."

(edited to correct obvious error)

[Sabrinaset]

You mean the last 14 issues were just figments of my imagination? Wowsers, I'm more screwed up than I thought!

Well, admitting your problem is the first step towards recovery! :D

[WAYNIAC5]

You know, I've just realised that the only Waid books I bought and really enjoyed, were Kingdom Come and JLA. I never got into the work he did on any other series, and maybe that has something to do with the fact that I'm decreasingly interested in this book. I'm hanging on for a few of the "Supergirl" issues, hoping for an improvement, but without that, not much more. A statement that really saddens me!

his flash stuff IMHO is the high point for that charecter ever....

[Ontir]

Empire was great, and JLA: Year One was pretty good.

I've got the first issue of Empire and couldn't get into it. I hated JLA: Year One, though!

[WAYNIAC5]

I've got the first issue of Empire and couldn't get into it. I hated JLA: Year One, though!


I was less than impressed with year one as well. I wouldn't say hated but I thought it was a low point for waid.

[kcekada]

As a 25 year-old, I have to say that I think that while teenagers and kids may have driven the consumer culture twenty years ago, teenagers today do have it worse every year and I am outraged by the way our society demonizes youth while creating a bloated, pampered, exhalted status for the Baby Boom generation.

Every day, some stupid news station is running reports on, "What's wrong with today's youth" and every year

That never changes. It's been that way since your grandparents were kids.

I'm not sure why you think kids don't drive the consumer culture today. I don't see any evidence of it being any different than it ever was.

That being said -- the best Legion stories were not about youth vs adults. Sometimes Waid seems to be writing stories as if they were happening in the 50s -- when he was a kid.

[Zero Hunter]

Over at Newsarama there is a 5 page preview of issue 16. After reading those 5 pages I am pretty sure that will be my last issue. I hoped that all the teens vs. adults stuff would be toned down with the OYL move, but those 5 pages make it seem worse than ever. It hard to like a book when most of the characters seem so unlikable.

[Ontir]

I'm getting over the "groovy" Wild in the Streets stuff too! They better do something big and great in the next few months!

[Killer Frost]

Sometimes Waid seems to be writing stories as if they were happening in the 50s -- when he was a kid.
I'm pretty sure Waid was born in the 1960s. He's old but he's not THAT old. :p

Myself, I'm sick and tired of dark, angst-ridden and hand-wringing super-heroes. The Legion's universe isn't all bright and shiny, but it's a breath of fresh air compared to the happenings elsewhere in the DCU. The preview looks ... pardon the dirty word ... FUN.

[Sir Tim Drake]

I'm pretty sure Waid was born in the 1960s. He's old but he's not THAT old. :p

Myself, I'm sick and tired of dark, angst-ridden and hand-wringing super-heroes. The Legion's universe isn't all bright and shiny, but it's a breath of fresh air compared to the happenings elsewhere in the DCU. The preview looks ... pardon the dirty word ... FUN.

I agree! I loved the preview. The camaraderie between the four Legionnaires is just the kind of thing I like. They're enjoying a good time together while doing something socially useful in the process.

On another note, it was probably wrong for Shady to steal the guy's glasses, but she looks so cute in that panel that I don't really care.

[Tennoarashi]

I really would like to get into the series, but I'm not really interested in the whole team - just any stories dealing prominently with Dream Girl and White Witch, and to a lesser extent Phantom Girl. I hate to be a bother, but does anyone have any suggestions?

[Sir Tim Drake]

I'm pretty sure Waid was born in the 1960s. He's old but he's not THAT old. :p

Mark was born in 1962.

(Wait a second while I get out my baby pictures. Of him. :D)

[PatrickG]

On another note, it was probably wrong for Shady to steal the guy's glasses, but she looks so cute in that panel that I don't really care.

I have a feeling there will be consequences for that or actions like it.

Consider that the Legion is not subject to the SP's jurisdiction.

It might also be outside the Science Police's PROTECTION.

Which begins one of the counterpoints to the teenage independence struggle.

The teen were unfairly oppressed... but it might also be unfair if they aren't subject to some degree of adult protection, which means playing by certain rules.

[Sir Tim Drake]

I have a feeling there will be consequences for that or actions like it.

Consider that the Legion is not subject to the SP's jurisdiction.

It might also be outside the Science Police's PROTECTION.

Which begins one of the counterpoints to the teenage independence struggle.

The teen were unfairly oppressed... but it might also be unfair if they aren't subject to some degree of adult protection, which means playing by certain rules.

If the Legion actually does give up the SPs' assistance,, it could have some interesting consequences. The superpowered Legionnaires can take care of themselves and don't need the Science Police's protection, but what about all those defenseless kids in Weisinger Plaza?

(Is it still called Weisinger Plaza? I can't remember at the moment.)

It seems like the Legion has already antagonized the SP quite a bit, though; the first time we saw Star Boy, he was making SP weapons sink into the ground. So the things they did in the current preview will probably not make a big difference.

[Shellhead]

I really would like to get into the series, but I'm not really interested in the whole team - just any stories dealing prominently with Dream Girl and White Witch, and to a lesser extent Phantom Girl. I hate to be a bother, but does anyone have any suggestions?

Legion fanfic and internet porn?

[Calybos]

The "Great Darkness Saga" is a good showcase of Dream Girl's first term as leader, as well as the introduction of her sister Mysa (the White Witch) to the team as a new member.

The Universo Project also features Dream Girl prominently; I can't think of a major story-long feature for Shadow Lass.

[Tennoarashi]

Legion fanfic and internet porn?Uh.... neither? Damn. :confused:

@Calybos - Thank you muchly. I will check those out.

[Ontir]

Nura is currently dead, and Mysa thus far does not exist. Tinya does exist, and is alive, but is ever torn between two dimensions. I'm not sure if that helps in any way, or makes things worse.

One of the things I found really interesting early on, was the Science Police assertion to the UP Gov, that they weren't under the Gov's jurisdiction. What we seem to have here, is a government that maintains socio-political structure, and an independant police force which is free to do whatever it wishes - truly scary! Now, the UP Gov had given the Legion a status similar to the SPs, which means we've got essentially 3 separate governments running un-checked, over the populace.

Perhaps they thought it would be best to let the youth police themselves, since groups tend to be harsher (When on student council, I was told that student courts tend, across the country, to hand out much harsher punishments, with far less leeway, than a principal, or faculty authority.) on each other than on outsiders. However it works, Waid has made the 31st century a place I'd never want to visit, which is a major change from pretty much every other era of the Legion's existence.

[Sir Tim Drake]

Perhaps they thought it would be best to let the youth police themselves, since groups tend to be harsher (When on student council, I was told that student courts tend, across the country, to hand out much harsher punishments, with far less leeway, than a principal, or faculty authority.) on each other than on outsiders. However it works, Waid has made the 31st century a place I'd never want to visit, which is a major change from pretty much every other era of the Legion's existence.

I would want to visit the 31st Century, but only so that I could join the Legion.

[Smokeyjay]

I would want to visit the 31st Century, but only so that I could join the Legion.


I don't know. The most you could be would be a glorified groupie. You wouldn't even have the basic power set like some of them do.

I'd go to steal technology though-hopefully a flight ring and then figure out how to program it to my genetic code-which is likely impossible given my intelligence.

I want more Karate kid as well. He's like the only male Asian superhero that exists, even if he is a walking sterotype.

And Dream girl was my favorite character. Even though there was plenty of foreshadowing, I hated to see her die. But I expect her to be back.

[Alex L]

I want more Karate kid as well. He's like the only male Asian superhero that exists, even if he is a walking sterotype.

I thought he was white. :confused:

[Smokeyjay]

I thought he was white. :confused:


Say what? He said he was Asian American I believe. He also has tanned skin.

[Jolly Mon]

And what do we do when a Columbine happens? We blame the kids.


I see what you mean. Of course we wouldn't blame the ones who pulled the triggers. It's got to be someone else's fault! :eek:

[WAYNIAC5]

Say what? He said he was Asian American I believe. He also has tanned skin. half white half asian. Asian on fathers side. he was a kung-fu super villain.

[Sir Tim Drake]

I believe that Val's ethnicity has changed over the years. He was originally white, then Grell started drawing him with Asian features. I suspect that that was what inspired the retcon about his father being Asian.

Val's father's name was the Black Dragon, IIRC, and he was killed by Val's Sensei.

[Ontir]

There's a Cockrum illustration from "Lore of the Legion" in one of the 70's giant-sized issues, where he looks kind of "Asian." Cockrum first introduced the new costume, then went back to the old one. Grell pretty quickly put him back in the new one, and when his origin was re-told, it was made clear that while his father was the Japanese villain/gangster, the Black Hand, Val's Mom was caucasian, which explained why he wasn't overly Asian looking.

While he was always described as a master of all martial arts, he relied far more on his name-sake Karate, than Kung-Fu.

Otherwise, he'd be "Kung-Fu Kid!"

[Batgrrl]

Say what? He said he was Asian American I believe. He also has tanned skin.

I'm pretty sure he's not "-American"

[Batgrrl]

I had some extra money and went out and picked all the issues of LOSH. I had thought at first it'd be difficult to follow with the team having so many members. But after the issues 1-6, I learned I was wrong.

It's a great book and seems to be staying away from all the Crisis events. I've only read up to issue 9 so I could be mistaken. And the letter pages are something I've never seen before.

I can say it was money well spent.

I did the same thing yesterday buying the while new series but I couldnot find #1, or 9-10.

[ROSS]

Hate to state the obvious, but Waid didn't even write the main story. Stuart Moore did. It was a forgettable homage story written with an especially heavy hand but nothing worth getting worked up about.

The backup, disguised as a letter column, was Waid's and it was the most fun I've had reading a comicbook since, well, the last Legion letter column.

I just got the newest issue and glanced through it. I think the backup story will be of great help for me to figure out who all the members are. Or at least a couple of them.

[Shellhead]

I'm pretty sure he's not "-American"

Good point. I don't think the United States of America exists in 31st century DCU.

[Ontir]

It never has in any version of the Legion, but the United Planets has generally been a loose extrapolation of either the United States, or the United Nations, depending on the writer, and his needs.