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PatrickG
02-19-2006, 08:58 PM
Just a general topic that I don't think I've ever seen touched on.

I heard the other day that "The West Wing" is ending this year and while I'm not a big follower of the show, it sounds like a huge waste since the show itself was supposed to veer into a presidential campaign and possibly a new president. That IDEA sounds exciting to me.

Then I got thinking back to other shows over the years. It's no big secret that "Angel" got nixed on the WB largely because the network had plans for another vampire show (a "Dark Shadows" revival that never happened).

And all the time, cult shows get jerked around in terms of scheduling. Shows like "The Office" are always getting jerked around.

Now, maybe I'm a very biased sample but I think it's pretty much impossible for something to be "good" without being at least a bit "cult". But networks often try to kill their own "cult" programming, which I don't understand. It seems very unprofessional, in my mind, for someone to sabotage ANY project in their studio/network/company... But it happens.

The upside? I think DVD sets and online sales may change that. TiVo may change that. Eventually, I think networks themselves will become obsolete as individuals will have the power to program their own TV schedule. No one but the consumer will decide when a show should or should not air or whether or not it will be cancelled. Money will go straight to the production company as "networks" themselves get bypassed altogether.

But still, we'll always have this problem. Comics which sell well but don't fit a company creative direction. (Biggest example I can think of is the '92 JSA series which got canned because certain editors at DC hated the idea of geriatric super-heroes. Even now, DC seems inclined AGAINST publishing a title which stars 80 year-old crime fighters unless it's by Frank Miller.) There's nothing more silly in my mind about an eighty year old man being a super-hero than a thirty year old alien. And I think there is absolutely nothing wrong with being silly. But I doubt we'll ever see a title which stars 90 year-old super-heroes as the principle stars because of corporate age-ism.

The Beverly Hillbillies and Green Acres reportedly got cancelled by CBS because the CEO's wife was embarassed by CBS being seen as the "hick" network.

Personally, I'm sick of the idea of a middle man. I want the shows I want. I want the games I want. I want the comics I want. And, for me, the bottom line should be if it sells, no matter HOW it fits into the company/network scheme. In fact, I hate the idea of a unifying corporate identity for these content providers.

My message to execs and producers and editors is this:

If it sells, if it gets viewers, let it grow. I don't care if you like it. I don't care if you "get it". I don't care how it fits into a marketing scheme or how it makes your other products look by comparison. You don't have to like it. You don't have to get it. Just don't mess with it. Your job is to make money and if you have something that is on its way to doing that, it's irresponsible to sabotage that.

Anybody else with me on this?

Dennis
02-19-2006, 09:28 PM
Lost is a cult show, and it's close to #1. popularity = big ratings. are they cancelling shows with big ratings?

Casali
02-19-2006, 09:54 PM
Funny you should post this. I'm actually watching an episode of one of my favorite "killed to early" shows, Karen Sisco. ABC just buried this show, but it was truly a thing to behold. Based on Leonard's "Out of Sight," Carla Gugino starred with Robert Forster as her dad and Bill Duke as her boss. Really great show, funny and stylish. In fact, Karen seems to be kin to Babs, Dinah, and Helena.

Some others that were killed to early (aside from the usual fanboy laments):
Cupid (ABC)
Lone Gunmen (Fox)
Threshold (ABC) - apparently ABC just doesn't like Carla Gugino, considering they cancelled two of her shows and got her booted off Spin City
The Tick (Fox)
The Inside (Fox)
Dead Like Me (Showtime)
Carnivale (HBO)
Wonderfalls (Fox)

I would really like to pick the brains of some of these shows' creators to find out where they would have gone had the shows not been cancelled.

Vesper
02-19-2006, 11:17 PM
I think the main issue here is that most art doesn't have mass appeal and therefore doesn't make much of a profit. The mass culture industry relies a lot on repetition and formula. There have been exceptions to the rule, of course (where execution has trumped formula), but they're fairly rare.

Cupid (ABC)

This is one of Rob Thomas's shows (his current baby--aside from the one he just had with his wife--is Veronica Mars). He talks about Cupid sometimes in interviews about VM, and has even mentioned that a couple of the motw plots that never got used in Cupid were redone to fit his new series.

He told Entertainment Weekly in 2004 that Cupid would have ended with Trevor and Claire becoming Trevor's 100th match -- and without revealing whether Trevor really was Cupid. ...If that helps with closure at all.

Casali
02-19-2006, 11:21 PM
I think the main issue here is that most art doesn't have mass appeal and therefore doesn't make much of a profit. The mass culture industry relies a lot on repetition and formula. There have been exceptions to the rule, of course (where execution has trumped formula), but they're fairly rare.



This is one of Rob Thomas's shows (his current baby--aside from the one he just had with his wife--is Veronica Mars). He talks about Cupid sometimes in interviews about VM, and has even mentioned that a couple of the motw plots that never got used in Cupid were redone to fit his new series.

He told Entertainment Weekly in 2004 that Cupid would have ended with Trevor and Claire becoming Trevor's 100th match -- and without revealing whether Trevor really was Cupid. ...If that helps with closure at all.

Thanks for the info. I knew VM was his show, but not until about halfway through the first season. I just never made the connection between the shows, despite being a VM fan from the beginnig, but I could finally allay my guilt about liking a "teen show" by claiming to follow the creator (I'm almost 30).

And that is interesting about the end to Cupid. I like that he refused to reveal Trevor's nature.

I guess you're OK, even if you are a strawberry-loving Commie.

Ponda
02-19-2006, 11:23 PM
Um, Arrested Development, anyone?

(though I must say, 4 brand new episodes back-to-back is quite an experience)

Vesper
02-19-2006, 11:25 PM
I guess you're OK, even if you are a strawberry-loving Commie.

Well, there's always pineapples! Women are particularly fond of men who like to eat them, too!

Another Veronica Mars fan!

/stalk mode: engaged

Cam63
02-20-2006, 05:33 AM
Department S was fun and it only lasted one series.

Casali
02-20-2006, 09:07 AM
Um, Arrested Development, anyone?

(though I must say, 4 brand new episodes back-to-back is quite an experience)

I definitely concur, but I was trying to stay away from some of the more common ones, like Firefly, Arrested Development, etc.

And how great was the "season finale." The last episode worked so well as a bookend partner to the first episode of the show. Great stuff.

Now here's hoping Showtime picks it up.

Krys Nyteshade
02-20-2006, 10:27 AM
I miss John Doe. And They really should have brought back Murder In Small Town X. And USA never should have nixed Touching Evil.

Lubichev
02-20-2006, 10:41 AM
Um, Arrested Development, anyone?

(though I must say, 4 brand new episodes back-to-back is quite an experience)
"George Bush doesn't care about black puppets."

"I was making sweet love on my wife."

SUPERECWFAN1
02-20-2006, 11:00 AM
I remember watching E Enertainment and they talked about the CBS decision to cancel the rural shows like Green Acres and company. From what they said it was a decision due to the fact they weren't getting the right kinda advertisers they wanted.


That those sitcoms appealed to a demographic they didn't want. I had no clue the person behind CBS wife didn't like those sitcoms lol. ;)

Matt Algren
02-20-2006, 11:16 AM
Um, Arrested Development, anyone?

(though I must say, 4 brand new episodes back-to-back is quite an experience)The season 2 DVD has a behind-the-scenes section that ends in a David Cross tirade about the marketing of the show. He said, and I agree with him, that when a show has won multiple awards, received ridiculously positive reviews, and still gets low ratings, the problem isn't the show. Maybe the problem is the marketing (or lack thereof) of the show.

DubipR
02-20-2006, 11:41 AM
Thank goodness for DVD sets for those shows that got the hose (recently):
Wonderfalls
Freaks & Geeks
Undeclared

Also, in the catagory of lameted shows:
Morning Edition
Homefront
that Michael Madsen ABC show where he got revenge for people
American Gothic
Brooklyn Bridge

There's many of them I can mention, but these are great shows that got the axe or just overlooked

Corrina
02-20-2006, 11:53 AM
Funny you should post this. I'm actually watching an episode of one of my favorite "killed to early" shows, Karen Sisco. ABC just buried this show, but it was truly a thing to behold. Based on Leonard's "Out of Sight," Carla Gugino starred with Robert Forster as her dad and Bill Duke as her boss. Really great show, funny and stylish. In fact, Karen seems to be kin to Babs, Dinah, and Helena.

Wonderfalls (Fox)

I really liked both those shows but I avoided Threshold, worried it would be canceled after the Wonderfalls experience.

I'm still very, very bitter about the abrupt cancellation of "Now & Again," especially with the story ending on such a cliffhanger, with Newman telling his wife & daughter who he was and with Dennis Haysbert and half the U.S. Government in chase.

Edited to add: I really loved 'Homefront" as well but when it was brought back from limbo, it lost a little something. I'm at least glad they had time to give resolution to most of the plotlines.

Also "I'll Fly Away," never received the acclaim it deserved. Brilliant show.

90'sCartoonMan
02-20-2006, 12:31 PM
Fox's standards for ratings are just too high. How many above mentioned shows aired on Fridays? Fox will kill a Friday show without realizing that no matter WHAT they put on will get low ratings simply because not as much people watch TV on Friday night as the rest of the week.

I don't know how popular it was, but I'm bitter that Reunion was cancelled without finishing the season.

ROSS
02-20-2006, 04:21 PM
I really hope that Scrubs doesn't end anytime soon.

Cam63
02-20-2006, 04:28 PM
I really hope that Scrubs doesn't end anytime soon.

Amen to that.

Casali
02-20-2006, 07:40 PM
I really hope that Scrubs doesn't end anytime soon.

Said in JD's ultra-white voice
Can I get a what-what?