X-men #183 previews

[charx23]

x-men #183 is up at buzzscope and i love it. nice milligan intro and beautiful pages from larroca and musen (colourist) larroca's water colours are nice aswell.

x-men #183 (http://popcultureshock.com/pcs/gallery.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=16308)

[Hi-Fi]

It does look good.....for a larroca book.

Glad to see Milligan using all the X-Cast.

[Beast]

It does look good.....for a larroca book.

Glad to see Milligan using all the X-Cast.
Shame he writes some of them so badly. :(

But damn, that is a sexy cover. Odd how they hid that one, and it doesn't reveal anything. :)

[charx23]

i was surprized when i saw more characters, Val is so annoying though i hate her when she's always taking control even though it is'nt her house. the bitch how dare she.

[Beast]

Apocalypse is George Bush Jr.! :eek:

Pocy: "If you are not with me -- you are against me!"

[Erkoban]

No more inkers!

[Hi-Fi]

Odd how they hid that one, and it doesn't reveal anything. :)
yeah, that was weird.

[xmanson]

Apocalypse is retarded, isn't he?

[charx23]

well can you see that hoseman on the cover, it looks like a women on the horse maybe lorna, that is a jaw breaking cover i like it, no more inker finally.

[Keith_Martineau]

Looks like they're actually gonna address that Apoc was supposed to have been fully killed.

[Hi-Fi]

Apocalypse is retarded, isn't he?

Lame villain = check.

retarded = not a big stretch.

[Flight]

Havok take care of the 198??!?! What??? Can't those losers take care of themselves?!

[Keith_Martineau]

Shame he writes some of them so badly. :(

But damn, that is a sexy cover. Odd how they hid that one, and it doesn't reveal anything. :)

Actually, it would have revealed that Sunfire was a Horseman a month before the time that they did reveal it.

[Cayman]

Argh, where's Lorna?

*explodes*

Cay

[charx23]

year i agree with flight, i wish havok said " erm scott, they are over 16 they can look after themselves and they don't need a babysitter" that would of been cool. lorna is she a horseman look at the cover. In the preview theres a women who looks like cannonballs girlfriend ( the rockstar) holding her hands to her mouth

[Beast]

Actually, it would have revealed that Sunfire was a Horseman a month before the time that they did reveal it.
They revealed the Sunfire/Horseman cover a long time ago. :)

[Beast]

I guess we can confirm Scalphunter's at the mansion now also, going by that last page. :)

[charx23]

yes beast is also right but i'm still stuck on the cover for x-men #186 what the hell does it have to do with apoc compared to this x-men #183 cover which has something to do with apoc.

[Nobbel]

Hmmm, Diamond Lil and Scalphunter are part of 198 too!!!

[Bishop_Proudstar]

Apocalypse is George Bush Jr.! :eek:

Pocy: "If you are not with me -- you are against me!"

I had to laugh after reading that Apocalypse would end his speech like that..

I just thought he'd be more eloquent..

"Those who fail to join me, will fall before me!"

[Beast]

Hmmm, Diamond Lil and Scalphunter are part of 198 too!!!
Well, we knew they were still mutants from the handbook. But this is the first time we see them being confirmed to be at the mansion. :)

[charx23]

he reminds me of Khan. And yay scalphunter at the mansion.

[xmanson]

They call them the 198 in the comic?

"Oh, look, it's the 198!!!!!"

"But there's only 20 of them..."

"Shut the fuck up, bitch!!!!"

"And the Morlocks being friends with the Marauders..."

"SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!!!!!!"

[Beast]

he reminds me of Khan. And yay scalphunter at the mansion.
I'm sure the Morlocks who are there are just thrilled by that. First Arclight and now Scalphunter. Why doesn't Scott have Prism brought in from the Asylum also, to make it nice and cozy. :D

[Flight]

They call them the 198 in the comic?

"Oh, look, it's the 198!!!!!"

"But there's only 20 of them..." Hmm, thats a good point actually...

[Beast]

They call them the 198 in the comic?

"Oh, look, it's the 198!!!!!"

"But there's only 20 of them..."

"Shut the fuck up, bitch!!!!"

"And the Morlocks being friends with the Marauders..."

"SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Yeah, they estabished that the remaining mutants are rallying behind the '198' thing in X-Men: The 198. Like how the Hell's Angels rally behind the '1 Percenters' thing. :)

[Cayman]

I hope Polaris isn't Pestilence. That'd just suck.

Cay

[Will.S]

Apocalypse is retarded, isn't he?
Well, it's Apocalypse. That's how he talks really so there's nothing contradictory about the thing.

Personally I loved the preview, I can't wait for the next issue as I'm highly enjoying Blood Of Apocalypse even if people are still so hung up on Milligan that they can't enjoy the story that's obviously better than his usual work. BTW it seems that the X-Mansion has seen more action post HoM than they have in years. First M-Day, then O*N*E and the Sentinels, then Vulcan, then the 198 and now Apocalypse!

[rilokyle]

wow, i am very excited for this book now!! i'm curious who the pestilence is, and i loved that characterization with cyclops ("i should know"). and we got to see a bit of karma, and i'm hoping maybe she'll get to say something later on. i can't wait for next week now! what would really put the cherry on the cake would be if lorna reappears too! fingers crossed.

[xmanson]

Parking a sphynx at the X-Men's doorstep and talking stupidily atop of it?

That's mental retardation.

[Will.S]

Parking a sphynx at the X-Men's doorstep and talking stupidily atop of it?

That's mental retardation.
On what grounds?

The dude seems well enough prepared to take them on and recognizes them as his main foes. You have to start the conflict at some point and I like the sphinx visual over the Xavier grounds dwarfing even the Sentinels.

[f4faith]

Havok take care of the 198??!?! What??? Can't those losers take care of themselves?!

Well don't you know - this is Milligan writing the X-Men where the X-Men team can't even be showcased in their own book. Havok's got to be an idiot and cowtow to Emma and Scott because he can't lead his own team and they can't do anything. I don't buy this book to read about Cyclops, Emma or Colossus. I'm not one that's happy to see them. Yes I know they are at the mansion but this is suppose to be a book not about them and they should be the background. I'm not a big Claremont fan but at least when I read Uncanny the Astonishing team doesn't show up and hog the whole book. I don't want to see more of Cyclops in X-Men than Havok. If I wanted that, I would read Astonishing which I don't.

I guess we can confirm Scalphunter's at the mansion now also, going by that last page. :)

I never got that. Why would an Archlight or Scalphunter clone be at the mansion? It's already been shown they are clones and Sinister can make as many as he wants. Why would they be out of Sinister's control or need the mansion when they have him?

[Will.S]

I never got that. Why would an Archlight or Scalphunter clone be at the mansion? It's already been shown they are clones and Sinister can make as many as he wants. Why would they be out of Sinister's control or need the mansion when they have him?
It depends on how much after the 198 book this arc takes place unless they just weren't shown and are there right now in the book's most current issue.

[TinMan]

On what grounds?

The grounds that the X-Men have kicked his ass more times than Moe's thumped Curly? :p

The dude seems well enough prepared to take them on and recognizes them as his main foes. You have to start the conflict at some point and I like the sphinx visual over the Xavier grounds dwarfing even the Sentinels.

I agree w/ ya though, I think its very menacing, but I also find it odd because he doesn't have all 4 or his Horsemen yet. Why bring it to there doorstep when you ain't got your whole battalion; but then again it may be so he can "recruit" one of the X-Men into his ranks... *coughGambitcough*.

I can't wait to read this though, Milligan's finally kicking out something worth more than a broke dick and he'll be leavin soon. Sure took him long enough.

[Nobbel]

I never got that. Why would an Archlight or Scalphunter clone be at the mansion? It's already been shown they are clones and Sinister can make as many as he wants. Why would they be out of Sinister's control or need the mansion when they have him?

Well there is a rumor around since Vertigo turned up to be in Savage Land. First I'll start with that: It could be that the Sav. Land Vertigo is an escaped clone. But it could also be she is the original Vertigo and Mr. Sinister took/stole some DNA from her to create the first clone. That means the Marauder-Vertigo was a clone to start with, the original still lives. Because not much later we see Prism in Generation M in a mental hospital for mutants. Could that be the original Prism too? Now Arclight and Scalphunter are at the 198 camp and the Morlocks do not fight them. My guess is they too are the originals. Meaning the first team of Marauders were allready clones and the originals were never Marauders!!! They maybe/probably do not even know they were cloned and what their clones did!!! It would explain a lot and I predict a good story if they find out and wanna confront Sinister with it!

[fishtaco]

Okay, I know this isn't Milligan's fault, but why is Scalphunter not trying to kill Gambit? And why is Fever Pitch not trying to kill Iceman?

Marvel's story isn't making sense. Scalphunter would never be allowed at the Xavier Institute. Why is Erg not trying to kick the living crap out of Scalphunter?

The editors need to start doing their jobs. This doesn't make any sense at all.

[Flight]

The editors need to start doing their jobs. This doesn't make any sense at all. Maybe yeah, but you guys are nitpicking way too much.
Larroca was maybe told to draw a couple of the 198 at the mansion and he picked those ones.
I doubt he gave a second thought to what the repercussions would be or the grudges the characters would have because its been said time and time again since House of M that mutants are now sticking together and the ones seeking refuge at the X-Mansion are obviously not on the side of evil (for now?).

[Beast]

Maybe yeah, but you guys are nitpicking way too much.
Larroca was maybe told to draw a couple of the 198 at the mansion and he picked those ones.
I doubt he gave a second thought to what the repercussions would be or the grudges the characters would have because its been said time and time again since House of M that mutants are now sticking together and the ones seeking refuge at the X-Mansion are obviously not on the side of evil (for now?).
What Flight said. Besides, future solicits for 198 indicate that someone does die. Maybe the Morlock's gang up on one of the Marauders and kill her or him? We'll just have to wait and see. But I agree, the current status quo does give them some reason to set aside their previous grudges and try to work together. :)

[f4faith]

I agree w/ ya though, I think its very menacing, but I also find it odd because he doesn't have all 4 or his Horsemen yet. Why bring it to there doorstep when you ain't got your whole battalion; but then again it may be so he can "recruit" one of the X-Men into his ranks... *coughGambitcough*.

I can't wait to read this though, Milligan's finally kicking out something worth more than a broke dick and he'll be leavin soon. Sure took him long enough.

Having heard about this latest issue now and how Gambit is "recruited" - I can't say this is any better than his previous stuff. If what I've heard is right, it beyond lame and doesn't even make sense but then again this book hasn't made sense in an age.

[Mitsaso]

Maybe yeah, but you guys are nitpicking way too much.
Larroca was maybe told to draw a couple of the 198 at the mansion and he picked those ones.
I doubt he gave a second thought to what the repercussions would be or the grudges the characters would have because its been said time and time again since House of M that mutants are now sticking together and the ones seeking refuge at the X-Mansion are obviously not on the side of evil (for now?).

Not to mention that Fever Pitch and Scalphunter might have other priorities than killing X-Men when a big-ass ApocaSphynx is hanging over their heads. :)

[BYC]

The X-Men are pretty forgiving overall. I can't count the number of villains they've redeemed/accepted into their fold. Also, perhaps each clone of the Marauaders thinks they are the originals, or they don't know they are being cloned. I can't remember if Sinister ever told them or revealed it during fights with the X-Men in the presence of Marauaders.

As for Apoc...it seems like he's pulling a Magneto and trying to convince the X-Men to join him. I mean, he's calling himself a messiah, that's basically what Magneto was referred to during the mid-90s with Avalon and the Acolytes.

[gary]

You know, going by the vial in Poccy's hand on the cover, I'm guessing that Apocalypse will offer to provide a 'cure' for Rogue's inability to touch people, if Gambit becomes a Horseman.

[Flight]

You know, going by the vial in Poccy's hand on the cover, I'm guessing that Apocalypse will offer to provide a 'cure' for Rogue's inability to touch people, if Gambit becomes a Horseman. Neither would ever do it.
He's 100% untrustable.

[Brian M.]

Apocalypse is George Bush Jr.! :eek:

Pocy: "If you are not with me -- you are against me!"

Honestly, did you have to throw that in there?

[Brian M.]

Okay, I know this isn't Milligan's fault, but why is Scalphunter not trying to kill Gambit? And why is Fever Pitch not trying to kill Iceman?

Marvel's story isn't making sense. Scalphunter would never be allowed at the Xavier Institute. Why is Erg not trying to kick the living crap out of Scalphunter?

The editors need to start doing their jobs. This doesn't make any sense at all.

Oh if only Claremont wrote EVERY SINGLE X BOOK.

[Beast]

Honestly, did you have to throw that in there?
Yes, because unlike Fishtaco... I'm only kidding. :D

[streator]

looks good. sunfire looks cool on the cover.
i don't really care for the plates or whatever on apoc's arms and legs, but not a big deal.
i'm also surprised scalphunter is around, last time i remember seeing him was in gambit (3rd series) and it was revealed that the original scalphunter has been dead for a while and sinister just keeps cloning the guy over and over (along with the rest of the mauraders sans sabretooth). seems like a questionable guy to let stay in your front yard, but like flight said it's probably just a "throw in some characters, choose from this list" type of thing.

[fishtaco]

Oh if only Claremont wrote EVERY SINGLE X BOOK.I didn't say anything about Claremont, nor do I want Claremont to write all the X-books. I wouldn't like that much. All I said was that I wish the editors would do their jobs and know the characters that are being written. You need to quit being an asshole and causing problems. Thank you.

[Neolucifer]

Sounds quite promising . And i'm still liking that Larroca art

[Cayman]

You know, going by the vial in Poccy's hand on the cover, I'm guessing that Apocalypse will offer to provide a 'cure' for Rogue's inability to touch people, if Gambit becomes a Horseman.

I think the vial is the disease the Super Apes created in Wild Kingdom.

Cay

[jawbreaker]

man you guys werent kidding, that A on Apoc's belt really does look stupid, I never really paid much attention to it but now that Im looking at that cover, day-umn!

[Faded]

I actually don't think that highly of the art nor the colors for this preview.

[Beast]

I think the vial is the disease the Super Apes created in Wild Kingdom.

Cay
Interesting idea. And would tie more of Milligan's run together. :)

[steve2275]

i xpect a hurtin

[xmanson]

I actually don't think that highly of the art nor the colors for this preview.


I think the cover is pretty awful and we have seen, much, but so much better from Larroca.

[Cayman]

Interesting idea. And would tie more of Milligan's run together. :)

Apocalypse told Pestilence he wanted her/him to pick up something in Africa, if I remember right.

Cay

[xmanson]

General question since some Maruaders show up... I mean, even if they got depowered, couldn't Sinister create powered clones? Or Wanda used her powers on DNA samples too?

After the cloning revelation the Marauders become some kind of non-charcaters, becuase there is no point in using them if they can get replace or any damage to them can be magically undone when the new one shows up. They are more cannon fodder than anything.

[Mr. Jip]

i hope Valerie Cooper kills Apocalypse

[fishtaco]

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[Hi-Fi]

i hope Valerie Cooper kills Apocalypse

I heard somewhere she does and that she's the misterious member of Brubaker's team.

[Beast]

I heard somewhere she does and that she's the misterious member of Brubaker's team.
No silly, that's Scarlet Witch. ;)

That one's for you, Fury.

[Dr Manolis Dooplove]

3 pages of setup, and then Cyclops' best scene in over a year...

"He was. I should know"

[Uncle Nobs]

Am I the only one annoyed by the fact that Scalphunter has a quiver full of harpoons on his back, making him look just like--oh I don't know--Harpoon?! Except if it's Harpoon, then his head is all wrong, considering that ol' Harpy is Inuit and would have trouble growing a goatee, let alone looking like he's of European descent.

Rrrg. I'm as annoyed by Larocca's art as I am by Milligan's five-words-per-page writing.

And Apoc looks absolutely moronic and outdated. HOW did someone plan a big comeback for him without including a visual redesign? All they did was add some armor plating on his arms & legs. I've redesigned him better than that, and I am NO artist! What kind of idiot wears a big friggin' "A" on his belt and expects to be worshipped without being laughed at? If they want to give him some sort of symbol, use an Egyptian one for chrissake!

[larroca fan]

I think it does'nt matter what apoc wears he's astupid villian he never wins, i think marvel have tried to make this book sound brilliant, but i don't think the conclusion will shock everybody, i love larroca's art in the previews, but i just noticed that buzzscope make the pages of all previews matt look and dull, i had a look at the newsarama pages of sunfire flying and it's crisp so buzzscope's scanner is'nt right at the mo. i hope we see a sexy rogue in this issue. please larroca draw rogue as see was on x-treme.

[xakko]

Am I the only one annoyed by the fact that Scalphunter has a quiver full of harpoons on his back, making him look just like--oh I don't know--Harpoon?! Except if it's Harpoon, then his head is all wrong, considering that ol' Harpy is Inuit and would have trouble growing a goatee, let alone looking like he's of European descent.

I was going to ask if I missed a memo where the two of them got merged in a horrible accident with a genetic recombinator.

Of course, if it looked like Harpoon, we'd be wondering why Kitty wasn't kicking his Inuit tail all over the mansion grounds. And leaving Colossus to clean up the mess.

[Dr Manolis Dooplove]

I think it does'nt matter what apoc wears he's astupid villian he never wins, i think marvel have tried to make this book sound brilliant, but i don't think the conclusion will shock everybody, i love larroca's art in the previews, but i just noticed that buzzscope make the pages of all previews matt look and dull, i had a look at the newsarama pages of sunfire flying and it's crisp so buzzscope's scanner is'nt right at the mo. i hope we see a sexy rogue in this issue. please larroca draw rogue as see was on x-treme.

he won in "Age of Apocalypse"... and boy did the world feel it :O

[Neolucifer]

indeed , People like Doom , Sinister and Pocy should never be allowed to win :p

[f4faith]

he won in "Age of Apocalypse"... and boy did the world feel it :O

Of which we have no clue how he managed to do so. His system of government stank and his ability to rule was totally bypassed. It was convenient for the story, but it didnt make sense.

[Dr Manolis Dooplove]

Of which we have no clue how he managed to do so. His system of government stank and his ability to rule was totally bypassed. It was convenient for the story, but it didnt make sense.

there is such a thing as raw power and numbers! He assembled most of the worklds mutants in his service, constructed sentinels, used madrox to create limitless Madrii preists-soldiers and Sinister to create clone soldiers to ge tpower by numbers. He also nuked Asia and south america last time i checked...

[f4faith]

there is such a thing as raw power and numbers! He assembled most of the worklds mutants in his service, constructed sentinels, used madrox to create limitless Madrii preists-soldiers and Sinister to create clone soldiers to ge tpower by numbers. He also nuked Asia and south america last time i checked...

Apocalypse has yet to be shown he has any ability to assemble any decent number of people or think anything through. He's an arrogant idiot who's people skills stink. Even in his own created world only his select few were happy. I still never got why most of the mutants would supposedly follow him. He only conveniently manages to do so for "the future" or other worlds with no reason why anyone would follow him. He treats his own still pretty much like dirt and I have never believed he has shown any charisma to get all these followers he suddenly manages to have out of the blue. He runs around killing humans in the AoA while throwing mutants into the pens and experimenting on them. It was absurd. A small country he might be able to pull this off but half the world? Most of them would have rebelled long ago. There are way too many other arrogant powerful jerks around to for it to happen.

[xmanson]

How come the government allow Mystique in the mansion?

[Hi-Fi]

How come the government allow Mystique in the mansion?

She and Val were in the same team, silly. They are like best buddies.

[Beast]

She and Val were in the same team, silly. They are like best buddies.
Besides, some of the various 198 folks have done worse things than Mystique.
Like the Marauders that are there, or the members of Gene Nation. :)

[fishtaco]

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[Hi-Fi]

And I think Val and Raven's friendship is quite finished by this point.

:rolleyes:



No, no, no. They enjoy brushing each other's hair and walking in horses at the beach.

[DHX]

That's the thing. They always win. Mojo, too.

I didn't realize that at first. What's up with Mystique at the mansion without the government doing anything about it? All Milligan and the editors had to do was read Mystique 1-6, 20-24. There are orders for her to be shot on sight. And I think Val and Raven's friendship is quite finished by this point.

and the answer is:

super consistency over continuity...

wait...it isnt even consistent.

[Haunt]

Am I the only one annoyed by the fact that Scalphunter has a quiver full of harpoons on his back, making him look just like--oh I don't know--Harpoon?! Except if it's Harpoon, then his head is all wrong, considering that ol' Harpy is Inuit and would have trouble growing a goatee, let alone looking like he's of European descent.

Scalphunter would have the same troubles since he is of native american descent. and Scalphunter is a mutant weaponsmaker. the harpoons wouldn't be too out of place, i'd think. :)

Besides, some of the various 198 folks have done worse things than Mystique.
Like the Marauders that are there, or the members of Gene Nation. :)


i'd say that they are all on equal footing. Mystique has murdered a presidential candidate, Moira MacTaggert, Carol Danvers' boyfriend, a 4-star general; not to mention unleashing a human-specific legacy virus in an attempt at genocide.

[We R. Venom]

WHY Do I keep buying this Book? Why, why why jesus God Why? Its Iceman, damn him.

[Stone Temple Pilot]

Apocalypse has yet to be shown he has any ability to assemble any decent number of people or think anything through. He's an arrogant idiot who's people skills stink. Even in his own created world only his select few were happy....

Well he does live pretty much forever (as long as he's got his lazurus chamber anyway), so i though the idea was he's just manipulating things slowly. True, his people skills may suck on a 1-on-1 level, but you can't say he hasn't gotten anything done..

[fishtaco]

:rolleyes:



No, no, no. They enjoy brushing each other's hair and walking in horses at the beach.Walking in horses?

[Hi-Fi]

Walking in horses?

sorry, riding in horses. sounds better.