Mutant League 02/16/2006 PM Battle - Flight vs. Spirit of vengeance & Maka Nani

[mattbib]

Welcome to our second match of the day...


In the first corner we have Flight's Dark Acolyte Brotherhood of New Mutants Club (Exodus, Sebastian Shaw, Tempo, Omega Red, Dark Beast, Wither, Evangeline Whedon)

vs

In the other corner is Spirit of vengeance & Maka Nani's Stripling Warriors
(Living Monolith, Shadowcat, Leech, Empath, Mystique, Gambit, Silver Samurai)



Both participants have submitted strategies:

Please do not post or vote until both strategies have been posted and read.

[mattbib]

Immediately at the start of the battle:

Tempo flies into the air and slows down Monolith to a crawl.
Exodus lets out a massive telepathic attack at everyone except The Living Monolith stunning them for a few minutes. (Anyone "riding" the Monolith... well thats a shame cause they fall to the ground)
Dark Beast lets his blood loose on Whedon transforming her into a giant Dragon. She immediately flies at Monolith and bites into his arm becoming a nuisance for him by constantly attacking him. Tempo keeps up her slowing-him-down effect.
Exodus generates a force field around the people not dealing with Monolith and flies toward the other team (who are still reeling from the telepathic attack). The rest run underneath him inside the force field

Next (While Tempo and Whedon are distracting Monolith):

Wither (being controlled by Exodus) goes for Shadowcat and gives her a big slap across the face with his bare hand. BAD KITTY!! DIE!!
Omega Red knocks Silver Samurai's sword out his hand then grabs it with one trendril and SS's body with another and drains his lifeforce. He swishes the sword around then lobs off Leech's head in one swift cut.
Sebastian Shaw picks Empath up by the neck and squeezes. He laughs and throws him into Mystique, then runs over, picks Empath up by his face and crushes it into the ground.
Dark Beast leaps over anything Gambit is throwing and kicks him in the face. He wrestles his bo-staff off him then smacks him across his face with it. He knocks him about some more before digging his claws into Remys chest then sticking the bo-staff in the wound to make sure he doesnt get up.
Exodus then fires a few psi-blasts at the down Mystique KEEPING her down before Omega Red puts his trendrils round her neck from behind and pops her head off like a zit.

Oops, they all seem to be dead. Except Big Bad Monolith of course who will probably be starting to gain the upper hand with Tempo/Whedon.

The team then run over to help and execute the following plan.

Omega Red wraps his tentacles around the ankles of Monolith and yanks him down on the ground. He keeps them there and drains his energy.

Dark Beast then jumps on him as fast as he can and starts working on destroying the Crystal. He's a smart guy, if he can smash it then he'll rip it out.

Exodus fires the most incredible psiblast at Sebastian Shaw who absorbs it all and is made incredibly strong. He then joins DB on top of Monolith and begins pounding into body.

Exodus then flies toward Wither and takes him underneath his arms. He then flies over Monolith and drops Wither on top of his body. Wither falls hands first onto the big guy using his Wither power.

With the crystal gone, his energy being drained, Shaw pounding great chunks out of his chest and withering away, Monolith is finished.

[mattbib]

With great natural fighters who are swift to strike and have great reflexes like Shadowcat, Silver Samurai, Mystique and Gambit, we have a great team to face Tempo. Tempo can only change the time of those who are near her, so she can speed up time for her allies but not slow down time for opponents on the other side of the battlefield.

Immediate acts:


Empath commands bravery and courage from all our team.
The Living Monolith strides forward and fires a high intensity concussive beam directly at Exodus. It's wide range will hit anyone who comes close and gets in the way and if not blocked it will pound any shield Exodus puts up. The Living Monolith has excellent psi defences, having ignored a psychic attack by Charles Xavier himself in X-Men #97, so if Exodus fires mental attacks at The Living Monolith they will do minimum damage or distraction. Handbook writer Eric Moreels described Exodus' TK ability as ten tonnes, so any shield should fall easily. If there is no shield then Exodus faces a severe attack.
Gambit adopts a defensive position in front of Leech. If no attack comes on Leech he will defend Silver Samurai, then any other nearby ally
Silver Samurai slips off his teleport ring and puts it on Leech, who teleports to wherever Exodus is with his nullfield at maximum. If Exodus is shielded, the shield falls & Exodus' powers are nulled along with anyone close to him. If Exodus was floating, Leech begins to fall and uses the teleport ring, nullfield still fully expanded, to appear near Sebastian Shaw, if he survived, or Tempo.
Exodus now has no defence to The Living Monolith's blasts. Mystique has her guns ready & fires at Evangeline Whedon and then Wither, hoping to take them out right away with her sharpshooting but as soon as Leech reaches Exodus she fires at him. She takes enough time on her shots to make sure they're critical hits, head shots.
Shadowcat touches Empath and phases. They advance towards the enemy.
Next:


Flight lacks ranged attacks without Exodus so The Living Monolith now fires on Sebastian Shaw with his heat beam, and then Tempo. Neither of these characters are agile and The Living Monolith's beams are wide so they are difficult for most people to jump out of the way of.
As soon as Leech has teleported, Gambit & Silver Samurai swiftly advance. Gambit lays down covering fire with exploding playing cards to protect the advance, primarily targetting Omega Red to keep them out of distance of his coil things and his weird death spore attack. Silver Samurai loudly charges towards Sebastian Shaw, distracting him from Leech's arrival. Shaw will probably not notice his powers are null and let Silver Samurai charge right at him and run him through. If Shaw does notice his powers are nulled, the Silver Samurai is still his superior in combat.
Mystique fires on Tempo and then Dark Beast if her inital targets have fallen. Tempo will struggle to dodge unless she's speeded up time around her. Dark Beast may dodge but it keeps him busy.
Shadowcat comes out of phase and if Exodus was not defeated she walks on air to where he is and solidifies her hand into his arm. The shock and pain will distract him from any attacks, force him to drop his any TK shields and allow our ranged attackers like Mystique to shoot him down.
If Exodus was defeated Shadowcat takes on Dark Beast. Her ninja fighting skills make her agile enough to keep away from his claws and allow her to land some good blows.
Empath, now out of phase, commands Tempo to "stop" and any time powers she was using stop.
Next:


With Sebastian Shaw down Leech runs or teleports to where he can null Omega Red's powers & our distance attackers Gambit and Mystique, keeping clear of his coils, shoot him down.
Silver Samurai helps Shadowcat defeat Dark Beast and slices into him with his sword. His armour is great protection from Dark Beast's claws and fists.
With her time powers now halted, Tempo surrenders rather than be beaten by our experienced fighters.

[The Fury]

Both have very strong strategies.

One question, what is the range on Tempo's field?

[Flight]

How do you know Monolith can "pound any shield Exodus puts up"?
Storm, Cyclops, Black Knight, Gambit & Bishop attacked him AT THE SAME TIME once with their powers and all he did was shrug it off with a laugh.

[Flight]

One question, what is the range on Tempo's field? She can speed up for herself or anyone she wants nearby and slow them down too.
She can get over to Monolith quickly and slow him down before he fires.

[The Lucky One]

Both have very strong strategies.

One question, what is the range on Tempo's field?

This is just from memory, but I think she's only been seen affecting people within about 5 or 10 yards of her body. I don't think she'd be able to affect, say, people on the other end of the battlefield, but she should be able to speed up any members of her team who stay fairly close to her.

-D

[Hi-Fi]

So Mystique takes out a giant dragon with some shots?

I prefer Flight's strategy.

[The Fury]

She can speed up for herself or anyone she wants nearby and slow them down too.
She can get over to Monolith quickly and slow him down before he fires.
Cheers, it's still a little vague. 'Nearby' that is.

This is just from memory, but I think she's only been seen affecting people within about 5 or 10 yards of her body. I don't think she'd be able to affect, say, people on the other end of the battlefield, but she should be able to speed up any members of her team who stay fairly close to her.

-D
My thinking is that LM is big. So if part of his body is inside the field and part is out, what happens?


Also, i do like the use of Leech by SoV & MN. Having him teleport to Exodus with SilSamurai's rings is clever and if it succeeds could very well take Exopdus and many others out.

[The Fury]

So Mystique takes out a giant dragon with some shots?

I prefer Flight's strategy.
I think that is in the presumption that Whedon is in the Null field and has lost her powers (or she hasn't yet turned to a dragon).

If leech ports early, and Whedon is near exodus, she becomes human again.

[Hi-Fi]

I think that is in the presumption that Whedon is in the Null field and has lost her powers (or she hasn't yet turned to a dragon).

If leech ports early, and Whedon is near exodus, she becomes human again.

He never says that Leech is affecting Vange. Should we suppose she's close to Exodus?

[mattbib]

I'm unsure on Flight's use of Tempo. The strain of using her powers during the entire match, added to the fact that she's trying to affect someone as huge as the Monolith? That might very well kill her.

[Flight]

I think that is in the presumption that Whedon is in the Null field and has lost her powers (or she hasn't yet turned to a dragon).

If leech ports early, and Whedon is near exodus, she becomes human again. Remember that Exodus sends out a telepathic attack instantly.
Monolith strides forward before sending out an attack. The attack has to travel of course, and Tempo is slowing him down.

[The Fury]

He never says that Leech is affecting Vange. Should we suppose she's close to Exodus?
The team start together don't they? and Exodus has not moved from his starting spot.

It might just work.

[Flight]

I'm unsure on Flight's use of Tempo. The strain of using her powers during the entire match, added to the fact that she's trying to affect someone as huge as the Monolith? That might very well kill her. I don't deny she'll be exhausted.
I even write in my strategy that Monolith will probably get the better of her and Whedon very quickly and thats why I have the others take out the rest of Sov's team ASAP and then take over from Tempo.
I let her rest and Whedon rest after that as they'll be out for definite.

[The Fury]

Remember that Exodus sends out a telepathic attack instantly.
Monolith strides forward before sending out an attack. The attack has to travel of course, and Tempo is slowing him down.
So, LM is aiming for Exodus and Exodus does not put up a shield?

So that move alone could take Exodus out?

[Flight]

So, LM is aiming for Exodus and Exodus does not put up a shield?

So that move alone could take Exodus out? lol No, it definitely wouldn't be enough to take him out. Exodus has gone toe to toe with Holocausts heated attacks and survived.
Even if the wave DOES hit Exodus, hes already sent out his telepathic attack and the rest of the team run forward and kill the others. Exodus won't stay down for long from one attack.

[The Fury]

lol No, it definitely wouldn't be enough to take him out. Exodus has gone toe to toe with Holocausts heated attacks and survived.
Even if the wave DOES hit Exodus, hes already sent out his telepathic attack and the rest of the team run forward and kill the others. Exodus won't stay down for long from one attack.
But long enough for Leech to port and then LM to just slaughter the depowered Exodus?

[mattbib]

Silver Samurai slips off his teleport ring and puts it on Leech, who teleports to wherever Exodus is with his nullfield at maximum. If Exodus is shielded, the shield falls & Exodus' powers are nulled along with anyone close to him. If Exodus was floating, Leech begins to fall and uses the teleport ring, nullfield still fully expanded, to appear near Sebastian Shaw, if he survived, or Tempo.
Flight lacks ranged attacks without Exodus so The Living Monolith now fires on Sebastian Shaw with his heat beam, and then Tempo. Neither of these characters are agile and The Living Monolith's beams are wide so they are difficult for most people to jump out of the way of.
I'm really having a hard time buying much of this. If Leech is to teleport close enough to Exodus to shut off his powers, Exodus will simply kill the kid (or the others within his forcefield would take him out), faster than any of the ensuing attacks could take Exodus out I think. You really should have sent some protection with the kid.

[The Fury]

I'm really having a hard time buying much of this. If Leech is to teleport close enough to Exodus to shut off his powers, Exodus will simply kill the kid (or the others within his forcefield would take him out), faster than any of the ensuing attacks could take Exodus out I think. You really should have sent some protection with the kid.

Can the teleportation ring take other people?

[mattbib]

Can the teleportation ring take other people?Oh...good point...no idea. :)

[Hi-Fi]

The team start together don't they? and Exodus has not moved from his starting spot.

It might just work.

Well, but Vange can be in the oposite side. If we're just assuming...

This strategy is based in a lot of assumptions.

[The Fury]

Oh...good point...no idea. :)
I was going to say, I only know 2 people that have that ring (I'm sure many other people do), Viper and SS, and they only ever seem to port themselves.

But the little guy ain't stupid, with no powers they have to kill him but hitting him, he just ports out the way.

[mattbib]

But the little guy ain't stupid, with no powers they have to kill him but hitting him, he just ports out the way.But the second he does then Sov's plans are shot because Exodus' powers return. So either way he's screwed.

[The Lucky One]

Hasn't Viper teleported both herself and Silver Samurai away in the past? I might just be imagining that...

-D

[The Fury]

Well, but Vange can be in the oposite side. If we're just assuming...

This strategy is based in a lot of assumptions.
True. But most strategies are based on assuptions.



On a new topic, this psiblast that Exodus hits Shaw with, what type of energy is it?

[The Fury]

But the second he does then Sov's plans are shot because Exodus' powers return. So either way he's screwed.
What about 5 meters at a time?

[Flight]

Can the teleportation ring take other people? I'm really confused at why you're defending Sov's strategy so much Furious!
If you don't like mine, then just vote for his. Simple.

[Flight]

On a new topic, this psiblast that Exodus hits Shaw with, what type of energy is it? Dunno.
The one Austen had him using to destroy the school.
If he's vague with Exodus's powers then so am I.

[The Fury]

Dunno.
The one Austen had him using to destroy the school.
If he's vague with Exodus's powers then so am I.
Shaw can only absorb electcity and kinetic energy, if that energy Exodus outputs is anything else, it'll rip Shaw apart.

I'm really confused at why you're defending Sov's strategy so much Furious!
If you don't like mine, then just vote for his. Simple.
Sorry, just your here to defend my questions, they are not. So I ask questions about that. If they were here also, I'd ask questions to them as well.


Also, I like the leech port thing.

Although your use of Wither makes me laugheverytime, poor kid is going to go mad.

[Flight]

Shaw can only absorb electcity and kinetic energy, if that energy Exodus outputs is anything else, it'll rip Shaw apart. Then its... kinetic energy!

[The Fury]

Then its... kinetic energy!
:D, you sure this Psi-blast isn't Psychic energy? (Hehe).


But SoV and MN's strategy has a few faults as well. (I'm just not picking up on them as well). Like the Mystique vs a transormed Whedon.

[venuscameback]

The Leech teleport move is great & as Tempo can only affect those close to her by the time she's near enough to attack TLM I make it a powerless Exodus, defeated. So Exodus turns on Leech right away - those couple of seconds are enough for TLM or mystique to take him down.

Leech is used a lot, teleporting, which is a downside but after Exodus goes down in the initial move this battle's one-sides anyway.

How can Dark Beast just give his blood to Evangeline Whedon? and by the time he's been able to do that, Mystique can have shot her. rendering it a moot point.

Flight has Omega Red, Sebastian Shaw & Dark Beast attacking the the Stripling warriors as if they don't have to cross the field. They do, and that gives the opposition's distance attacks the advantage.

Exodus' blast at Sebastian Shaw will injure him not strengthen him - if it's the kind of psychic blast we're used to him firing & it's not fair to specify part way through the debate that it's a different kind of attack to his regular kind.

Wither affects Shadowcat how??? Wouldn't she just enter phase when he gets near or do fancy ninja moves to keep him from touching her? No way is Kevin getting near Kitty, she's way too experienced for that.

There are just too many holes in Flight's strategy

venus

[Flight]

Exodus has just hit them all with a telepathic attack. That gives my team plenty time to run over and kick shit out of them.

There seems to be a very obvious clique in this tournament consisting of Venus, Furious & Sov and their partners. I know I can't do anything about it but I just thought I'd point it out.

[venuscameback]

There seems to be a very obvious clique in this tournament consisting of Venus, Furious & Sov and their partners. I know I can't do anything about it but I just thought I'd point it out.

A clique, huh? Is that your best defence of your strategy?

as for Exodus ... sorry, I just don't buy the "my guy's so powerful he cripples your team with one shot" argument. He ain't all that

venus

[Flight]

There are just too many holes in Flight's strategy lol There are no holes in my strategy.
You're just trying to drill some in, so your alter-ego can win the match - oopz!! - I mean friend.

[Flight]

as for Exodus ... sorry, I just don't buy the "my guy's so powerful he cripples your team with one shot" argument. He ain't all that You didn't have to.
It was an instant guarentee you would vote for Sov.

And he's a telepath. He CAN take them all out with one telepathic attack just like Rachel, Jean, Emma and Xavier all could.

[venuscameback]

And he's a telepath. He CAN take them all out with one telepathic attack just like Rachel, Jean, Emma and Xavier all could.

He can, huh? Where's your evidence?

venus

[The Fury]

There seems to be a very obvious clique in this tournament consisting of Venus, Furious & Sov and their partners. I know I can't do anything about it but I just thought I'd point it out.
Huh? But I don't have a partner.

I'm sorry if you feel like maybe something like this is happening Flight. So, far in most of SoV&MN matches they have been the stronger and I voted for them. In, Siddon&Venus matches they have too.

A key match in the divisions is this one and Fabian Vs Siddon&Venus.

Thre are many problems with SoV&MN's strategy. The Mystique shooting a dragon is one, Mystqiue is not taken that down. Tempo is used well, although i questioned her range on effect, if it does effect LM, they you have a great chance of taking him down.

I do think Leech is used a lot. And he gets thrown into dangerous situations. He may be a brave little guy but he's still just a kid. And apporaching characters like Exodus and Omega Red is not something that anyone (even heroes) do without causion. Keeping in characters he might not want to do it.

The psychic wave does make a difference. It give your team time to attack. But just becuase they are attacking does not mean the other team is helpless. Such characters like Silver Samurai should in no way be underestimated. SS being (probably) the best fighter in the entire League witha sword that can cut through anything (right?)

But your team are mostly all evil, which counts in your favour, they are willing to slaughter this other team.

You take LM down in a good way, it is not easy to take him down at all (only book I have with him being taken down is in the Twelve story and that was Bishop). LM is a hard character to defeat and you were the only one of the 3 teams to play SoV&MN that did it well.

[Flight]

He can, huh? Where's your evidence?

venus Avengers #369

And thank you Furious.

[The Fury]

And thank you Furious.
No worries. I could probably pick at any strategy, even my own. (My own strategy the other day had holes all over the place, seriosuly).

It's just you were here for me to question. A lot of what I said above would be raised if MN or SoV were here.

[Dipset Byrd Gang]

actually psi energy is psi energy

[mattbib]

What about 5 meters at a time?That's not included in the strategy. And Leech isn't that bright to come up with that on his own.

[mattbib]

There seems to be a very obvious clique in this tournament consisting of Venus, Furious & Sov and their partners. I know I can't do anything about it but I just thought I'd point it out.The same can be said about any match in which participants' friends vote for them. I don't want to hear this kind of discussion again.
You're just trying to drill some in, so your alter-ego can win the match - oopz!! - I mean friend.venuscameback is NOT Sov or Maka Nani or anyone else. Again, drop it.

[The Fury]

That's not included in the strategy. And Leech isn't that bright to come up with that on his own.
Poor ikle guy, He gets no respect on the intelligence side. :(

[The Fury]

actually psi energy is psi energy
So, Exodus kills Shaw?

Funny.

[Flight]

Oh, stop nitpicking!
I'm not a geek on powers so I just named it whatever came to mind first! You all know what I meant :rolleyes:

[The Fury]

Oh, stop nitpicking!
I'm not a geek on powers so I just named it whatever came to mind first! You all know what I meant :rolleyes:
Hehe. i like nitpicking though.

I found 5 nits earlier. :)

:) And yeah we did know. Still.

[Nightcrawler]

2 things:

1. Why would Shadocat solidify her hand in Exodus's arm? Wouldn't that screw them both?

2. How can Empath command Tempo to do anything? He just changes emotions.

[The Lucky One]

2. How can Empath command Tempo to do anything? He just changes emotions.

He does it by changing a person's susceptibility to suggestion. I.E., he makes you want to please him and do whatever he wants, then he tells you what to do.

-D

[Nightcrawler]

Flight, why do you have Wither try to take out Shadowcat? She phases almost immediately.

[Flight]

Flight, why do you have Wither try to take out Shadowcat? She phases almost immediately. To be honest, I just felt like she needed a slap so I had Wither give her one with his bare hand.

[Flight]

To be honest, I just felt like she needed a slap so I had Wither give her one with his bare hand. lol Oops, that seemed to have swayed Nightcrawlers vote.

[The Fury]

To be honest, I just felt like she needed a slap so I had Wither give her one with his bare hand.
After Whedon's use of her and Colossus, too right.

[Jessica Drew]

Even though Flight has Exodous take out his own man (Shaw), I think that because of Exodous's opening telepathic attack coupled with Tempo's initial slowing down of the striding before attack Living Monolith, Sov/MN's team is pretty much toasted.

[Nightcrawler]

lol Oops, that seemed to have swayed Nightcrawlers vote.

You both had great strategies, and after 4 pages of debate, I still wasn't entirely sure, but with such a dangerous foe as Shadowcat on the lose, I think she might be able to upset some of your plans.

[Spirit of vengeance]

Even though Flight has Exodous take out his own man (Shaw), I think that because of Exodous's opening telepathic attack coupled with Tempo's initial slowing down of the striding before attack Living Monolith, Sov/MN's team is pretty much toasted.

Tempo does not affect The Living Monolith because they are one hundred yewards away from each other and her powers work at close range. The Living Monolith strides AND attacks this mean at the same time he moves forward and fire his beam something every ranged attack character can do.

So, Exodus kills Shaw?

Funny.

:D

lol There are no holes in my strategy.
You're just trying to drill some in, so your alter-ego can win the match - oopz!! - I mean friend.

you must be scared of losing if you so desperate to win that you will say any silly thing to move discussion away from your strategy. Mattbib can tell you he KNOWS we are not the same person.

I don't want to hear this kind of discussion again.
venuscameback is NOT Sov or Maka Nani or anyone else. Again, drop it.

Dunno.
The one Austen had him using to destroy the school.
If he's vague with Exodus's powers then so am I.

In recent matches you insisted you can ignore Chuck Austen's writing of Exodus because he has weak powers in the issues but now you quote the same issues in your defence? You can't have it both ways.


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I'm really having a hard time buying much of this. If Leech is to teleport close enough to Exodus to shut off his powers, Exodus will simply kill the kid (or the others within his forcefield would take him out), faster than any of the ensuing attacks could take Exodus out I think. You really should have sent some protection with the kid.


I would love to send protection with Leech but I thought the ring can only teleport the user. Leech removes Exodus powers for a few seconds before he probably dies. A few seconds for Exodus to realise his powers have failed realise why and look for and kill Leech. That is long enough for an expert shot like Mystique to shoot him dead and for The Living Monolith's beams to knock him out. These two characters are written as looking for the opportunity. The Living Monolith is already attacking when Exodus' powers fail and Mystique is a split-second behind him both firing from a distance so Leech's field does not affect them.

Monolith strides forward before sending out an attack. The attack has to travel of course, and Tempo is slowing him down.

The Living Monolith strides forward and fires. Two simultaneous acts. Why would he wait to fire? He if moved first we would write "He moves and THEN fires". Most characters can move and fire at the same time :rolleyes:

Tempo cannot affect The Living Monolith from the other side of the field and energy attacks take a split second to travel the battlefield.

So Mystique takes out a giant dragon with some shots?

Evangeline Whedon starts in her human form she does not change form instantly blood must be spilled first for her to do this. Mystique is shooting at a regular woman with no combat experience.

Dan

[mattbib]

Tempo does not affect The Living Monolith because they are one hundred yewards away from each other and her powers work at close range. The Living Monolith strides AND attacks this mean at the same time he moves forward and fire his beam something every ranged attack character can do.I read Flight's initial move differently.

Tempo can get across the field and try to affect the Living Monolith. She's initially allowing herself to slip through the seconds during which she flies across the field, where while still out of time she can affect the Monolith before he even begins to move across the field.

[mattbib]

About 20 minutes left to vote.