JUSTICE by Alex Ross

[Romus]

This is the 1st Dc title I've picked up in a long time ... i saw #4 at the store and picked up #2, 3, and 4 all at once... #1 was sold out.

how come I don't see anyone talking about this?

[The Wayner]

We've had threads for the first 3 issues, and #4 only landed, yesterday. Possibly some folks haven't read it, yet? I only finished my copy a few minutes ago.

I like the way the story is going, and this was certainly an improvement over the last issue. But the intensity of the first two still hasn't been captured. Easily a recommended read, though.

[Bored at 3:00AM]

JUSTICE is an Alex Ross fan's Wet Dream.

Anybody who loved Challenge of the Super-Friends....their heads will explode in nerdgasm.

Seriously, this is one cool book.

Brianiac going all Dr.Mengela and torturing Aquaman's orange and green ass? That is enough to get me to read it first every damn week it comes out.

And has anyone seen the action figures they've done for this? They're like a dozen of them out there. Characters that have only had cameos thus far, have their own action figures. That's crazy.

The Zatanna figure is based on his wife. Not sure if her body been idealized or not. But Ross looks like he's one lucky man. Everyone loves a girl in fishnets.

And his Poisin Ivy is naked. Alex Ross loves him some ladies, that's for sure.

[drinkblatzbeer]

watching superman get taken down like he did was great...

honestly, i can see this as being a definitive DCU story...even without fitting anywhere in the current universe...

it's got all the top guys, all the baddies and it's been brilliant thusfar...

how cool did toyman look hovering over the museum carter hall was trapped in?

damn...

[cbridentity]

This is a really nice thing Ross and Krueger and Braithwaite are doing with DC's Lineage and progeny. And I don't care a lick for any of these characters, save batman, but I am deeply engaged and moved by the way this story progresses.

The art is toothsome and representative and amazing. The writing in #4, made it the most enjoyable thus far for me. Getting a better idea about why this is befalling the heros and such. Those were good questions the bad people were asking.

I enjoy seeing these sanctamonious heros on the edge of their demise. I would guess that at some point Batman unsanctamoniously swings in to save the day. Or at least I hope that is what happens. As predictable and unoriginal as that would be.

For a minute there I thought Metallo might hopefully be Matches Mallone.

Anyway. Great, great stuff. Top of my list of comics to be excited about.

[JuggernautRM]

To bad it will be a long time till the story is done. A 12 issue series thats bi-monthly.

[derrickfish]

Worth the wait, though.

[Romus]

JUSTICE is an Alex Ross fan's Wet Dream.

Anybody who loved Challenge of the Super-Friends....their heads will explode in nerdgasm.

Seriously, this is one cool book.

Brianiac going all Dr.Mengela and torturing Aquaman's orange and green ass? That is enough to get me to read it first every damn week it comes out.

And has anyone seen the action figures they've done for this? They're like a dozen of them out there. Characters that have only had cameos thus far, have their own action figures. That's crazy.

The Zatanna figure is based on his wife. Not sure if her body been idealized or not. But Ross looks like he's one lucky man. Everyone loves a girl in fishnets.

And his Poisin Ivy is naked. Alex Ross loves him some ladies, that's for sure.

Haha, Good post!

Yeah I love the book, and i didn't even know about it till a couple of days ago. I think I spotted earlier issues before but jsut passed it by thinking "This is just Alex doing the covers". .... I wonder how many others are passing it up thinking that.

[TommyV]

This is the 1st Dc title I've picked up in a long time ... i saw #4 at the store and picked up #2, 3, and 4 all at once... #1 was sold out.

how come I don't see anyone talking about this?

As amazing as this mini is, it doesn't apply to the DCU proper (no continuity ties), so I think that's the reason it's not discussed much. It's a beautiful, engaging story, but there's no "stakes" as far as character/universe development goes, so people don't feel like writing much about it - I've wondered why it doesn't get a lot of attention on these boards, too, and I can only assume that the reason is due to the lack of a "soap-opera" element.

[Romus]

As amazing as this mini is, it doesn't apply to the DCU proper (no continuity ties), so I think that's the reason it's not discussed much. It's a beautiful, engaging story, but there's no "stakes" as far as character/universe development goes, so people don't feel like writing much about it - I've wondered why it doesn't get a lot of attention on these boards, too, and I can only assume that the reason is due to the lack of a "soap-opera" element.


This looks like DC's Ultimates to me. Hopefully they will come out with Justice 2. And maybe it's in the same universe as Kingdom Come?

[TommyV]

This looks like DC's Ultimates to me. Hopefully they will come out with Justice 2. And maybe it's in the same universe as Kingdom Come?

That would be great (if this were KC Earth before the $hit hits the fan) - I love that idea. And, This IS like a DC ultimates (although MUCH more pure to the original concept of the Justice league than the Ultimates are to the Avengers). Many people have wondered why on Earth this isn't an "All-Star" title, and why DC dropped the ball on that opportunity....

[scratchie]

To bad it will be a long time till the story is done. A 12 issue series thats bi-monthly.Why is that too bad? I'm looking forward to enjoying this immensely over the next year and a half. It's not like I don't have enough other comic books to read in between issues.

[Silvermane]

watching superman get taken down like he did was great...

honestly, i can see this as being a definitive DCU story...even without fitting anywhere in the current universe...

it's got all the top guys, all the baddies and it's been brilliant thusfar...

how cool did toyman look hovering over the museum carter hall was trapped in?

damn...

This was a cool scene. But something confused me. I thought that in the satellite era Hawkman was a Thanagarian, not Carter Hall. :confused:

[Paul Newell]

Katar Hol used the alias "Carter Hall" and worked in a museum as his cover on Earth.

[Slumber Hulk]

[Spoiler] I dunno, not very spoilery just want to be safe.

Do you believe the thesis of Luthor argument that the Super "Heroes" have not made the world a better place? Other than fighting off the occasional "Giant Starfish" from outerspace?

[The Wayner]

Have to admit that I'm another diggin' on the length of the series. Good things come to those who wait!

And no, I don't believe Luthor's spiel. He'll get his in the end.

[Romus]

[Spoiler] I dunno, not very spoilery just want to be safe.

Do you believe the thesis of Luthor argument that the Super "Heroes" have not made the world a better place? Other than fighting off the occasional "Giant Starfish" from outerspace?

I think the heroes are leaving the world to freedom of choice. Over time people would expect them to take care of everything... Big Governent, less freedom.

Or, be responsible for your own lives, get out and solve your problems and don't expect free hand outs.

[Silvermane]

Katar Hol used the alias "Carter Hall" and worked in a museum as his cover on Earth.

Mmmm... that's good information. I think I knew that somewhere in the deep dark corners of my mind. But I forgot. Thanks for clearing that up. I always did prefer the alien hawks. I guess it's true that you always prefer things the way the were when you first knew them.

[Watchman]

I only have issue #2 of the series (picked it up because it featured heavily on Bats/Riddler), and I enjoyed it. Loved the artwork and the story. Can't say much more than that because I haven't read the series as a whole so far, but the issue alone was damn good.

[Paul Newell]

Mmmm... that's good information. I think I knew that somewhere in the deep dark corners of my mind. But I forgot. Thanks for clearing that up. I always did prefer the alien hawks. I guess it's true that you always prefer things the way the were when you first knew them.
Y'knoiw its something I haven't thought of in a long time either. Probably as the secret ID of Katar was retconned out thanks to Hawkworld and the "real" Carter now existing on the same Earth.

[Bored at 3:00AM]

[Spoiler] I dunno, not very spoilery just want to be safe.

Do you believe the thesis of Luthor argument that the Super "Heroes" have not made the world a better place? Other than fighting off the occasional "Giant Starfish" from outerspace?

The way I see it, the job of the JLA should only be fighting off giant starfish from outer space and equally fantastic threats. As Morrison pointed out so well in his initial JLA story in '97, the job of the JLA isn't to cure diseases, rid the world of famine or otherwise do anything that humanity can and should be doing for itself. The job of the JLA is to handle the theats that are super-human. If the JLA does any more than that, humanity takes a backseat when determining its own destiny.

This isn't to say the JLA won't help out with some fire or natural disaster, but they have and should continue to sit out on the bigger problems facing humanity.

[jade_nova]

This series is a future classic. Issue four reminded me of the end of "The Godfather" with the villians talking about doing good while taking out their enemies at the same time.

[trickster]

[Spoiler] I dunno, not very spoilery just want to be safe.

Do you believe the thesis of Luthor argument that the Super "Heroes" have not made the world a better place? Other than fighting off the occasional "Giant Starfish" from outerspace?

I do. Luthor is not a bad guy, not in my book. Of course, he's always gonna be antithetic to Superman, to make him look good. And what he says makes sense.

[Slumber Hulk]

Good stuff, all.

It comes down to being a Good Samaritan. If you have the power to help (be it squids from space or famine) are you required to help to be a good person?

I think the story of the Good Samaritan shows than many have the power to help but few choose to.

[GreenHornet]

Iam putting Justice right up there and OVER Marvel Zombies as a must read.


But that just be. HOW in the hell can you beat that last page in #4?


am not going to spoil it for anyone but if you seen it you know what am talking about.

[trickster]

Iam putting Justice right up there and OVER Marvel Zombies as a must read.


But that just be. HOW in the hell can you beat that last page in #4?


am not going to spoil it for anyone but if you seen it you know what am talking about.

No kidding. It's above Marvel Zombies? * Shock * Even the lamest brain-dead fan-fiction would be above Marvel Zombies. I've read the issue off the internet. Jesus, what is that crap? It's not a parody () but words fail me to describe how bad it it is. Not funny, not scary, not serious, (although it's not a parody - I take it's supposed to be a serious story). And it reminds me of that interminable "what if" series, which had such ridiculous ideas sometimes that someone made a suggestion once "what if Wolverine had fish sticks instead of claws". That's how bad it is.

[Gingold]

I'm not much of an Alex Ross fan, but I'm enjoying Justice a lot. Braithewait doing the layouts makes the storytelling a lot less stiff than Ross's usual stuff, but it's just as pretty. And a JLA vs. Legion of Doom stoyline is hard to beat.

[Ugoff]

I love this series. But I wasnt sure who some of the heros were. Like the guy that gets shot, I think his name was Ray. There was another one but I cant remember who. Excellent series and I look forward to seeing Brainiac and his posse get their butts whupped.

[JuggernautRM]

Ray = Ray Palmer = The Atom

Olliver Queen = Green Arrow

Dinah = Black Canary

Girl with Carter Hall (HawkMan), Shayera Hall = Hawkgirl.

[The Purple Skull]

SPOILERS


Can anyone help me identify who that woman was who shot the Atom?

[Drifter]

I'm waiting for the trade, this is the type of story I love reading all at once!

[Romus]

Why doesn't Superman start unleashing loads of heat vision when he get's in a situation like that? It's almost as if he forgets his own powers.

[Patient Boy]

I'm waiting for the trade, this is the type of story I love reading all at once!

Hmm. Given all the praise Justice is getting here, should I wait for the trade (which won't be out for another year, at least) or should I collect this title?

[Guapo Méndez]

The story so far rocks.

The way I'm seeing it is "this is the missing battle between heroes and villains that was never seen in Wanted."

Part of me is waiting for the inevitable moment where heroes turn the tide in battle, but the other part of me is "daaaaamn....so that's how Superman/Aquaman/The Atom et al died."

[GreenHornet]

No kidding. It's above Marvel Zombies? * Shock * Even the lamest brain-dead fan-fiction would be above Marvel Zombies. I've read the issue off the internet. Jesus, what is that crap? It's not a parody () but words fail me to describe how bad it it is. Not funny, not scary, not serious, (although it's not a parody - I take it's supposed to be a serious story). And it reminds me of that interminable "what if" series, which had such ridiculous ideas sometimes that someone made a suggestion once "what if Wolverine had fish sticks instead of claws". That's how bad it is.



your just upset because your seeing a true scene of what would REALLY happen if DC had the Green Hornet in the DCU. = LOL just kidding
Anyway I am just saying that right now that Marvel Zombies is a very good read for Marvel and after this issue of New "A" #16 I really stand by that. Don't take it as a "What If" take it as if the Zom-FF gets out of their cage this is what UM will end up.

[Maleficentogre]

WOAH! Just for the record marvel zombies is the greatest thing since sliced lettuce.
also justice is good I'd collect it now. I really wish I liked painting

[GreenHornet]

Marvel Zombies and Justice are the only 2 reasons I go to the store on the day they come out. Everything else can wait until the weekend.

[Astonishing X-Fan]

I'm just happy Ivy seems to be getting a good, meaty role in this...absolutely love seeing all the big baddies together, too. Reminds me of the current JLU arc, but in this one we get Batman villains, too.

[mohammedali]

Justice is one of the better stories out there. Anyone who hasn't picked it up, NEEDS to read this. To me, this is an IC rival in its own way. It's truely one of the best titles out there.

Mohammed Ali

[GreenHornet]

Justice is one of the better stories out there. Anyone who picked it up, NEEDS to read this. To me, this is an IC rival in its own way. It's truely one of the best titles out there.

Mohammed Ali

Put me down on that list. a must read, good choice of words.

[Tony Starkz]

Justice is a MUST READ.Do not wait for the trade because you're going to be old and brittle by the time it comes out.This is the best mini on the shelves next to Sentry.

#4 was just badass.

[Paul Kersey]

I picked up the first issue and didn't like it. I'm really picky when it comes to buying books. But after reading this thread I thought I would give it a try and now I'm glad I did.

[MythicBrawn]

I'm currently collecting this miniseries and I'll probably pick up the trade. How bad is that. Know that it will come out in HC first, and then a year later will come the paperback.

[nanteen]

Why is the book PRE Crisis though... Barry as Flash?

I mean WTF?

[Guapo Méndez]

Because it's Alex Ross' version of the 70's cartoon "Superfriends".

Back then, Crisis wasn't even a twinkle in DC's eye.

[scratchie]

Why is the book PRE Crisis though... Barry as Flash?Because it allows them to tell the story they want to tell? Is this a trick question? I'm not really that familiar with current comics, but it was my impression that this wasn't the first time someone had told an out-of-continuity story.

[Shellhead]

Why is the book PRE Crisis though... Barry as Flash?

I mean WTF?

It might as well be out of continuity, the events depicted in Justice are too big to fit in with all the IC junk going on. In a way, Justice feels like it was first runner-up from an in-house competition to determine how DC would mark the 20th anniversary of the Crisis on Infinite Earths.

[scratchie]

In a way, Justice feels like it was first runner-up from an in-house competition to determine how DC would mark the 20th anniversary of the Crisis on Infinite Earths.And the 21st and 22d as well, of course. I think the biggest reason to take it out of continuity is that it's going to be so long, and take so long to appear, that it would be absurd to try to co-ordinate it with everything else that's going on in the DCU during the same period of (real world) time.

[Mister Intensity]

This book isn't really pre-Crisis, it's Ross' own continuity to tell the story he wants to tell. The characters and setting is an amalgamation of things he liked about the DCU over the years. While he favors pre-Crisis elements, post-Crisis ones aren't ignored, most notably his depiction of Wonder Woman and Cheetah (although her pre-Crisis name is used), both of which owe more to the post-Crisis than pre-Crisis, based on what I've seen so far.

As for the last issue, I loved the villains reasoning, we're saving the world because the heroes won't and we could do it better. In fact, it sounds like the villains are preparing their own Stalinist regime. Things should be really interesting over the next eight issues.

Mister Intensity

[The Humanist Hero]

Damn, I can't wait for this to come out in trade. :D

[Gentlegamer]

I think the appropriate setting for Justice is properly called "Earth-Ross."

[Bored at 3:00AM]

Justice is in the same vien as New Frontier and the All Star books, its just solid creators creating the best DC superhero story they can, without having to worry if it jibes with whatever continuity happens to be "official" this decade.

Darwyn Cooke wanted to tell the story of the birth of the Silver Age. So, he gets to do it set during the actual Silver Age of the Fifties, not some vague "10 Years Ago" when Wonder Woman can't even appear for some idiotic reason. And he just went nuts incorporating little elements from various DC stories and eras into his own self-contained history that feels like a DCU unto itself.

Alex Ross is doing the exact same thing, only instead of the Silver Age, Ross is doing the Bronze Age circa 1980 (by way of 2006).

Cool thing is, as long as you're not fanatical about your continuity fitting seamlessly, great stories like Robinson's Golden Age, Cooke's New Frontier and Ross' Justice all work perfectly well as a grand historical retellng of DC History. A history in which the dreaded Super-Mullet never happened...ever.

[Wannabe]

My favorite part of this issue were all the little things. Bizarro has super smell instead of super hearing. Ross truly is a detailed creator.And I love that writing.

I'm also curtious as to who shot Ray Palmer. I'm guessing it was catwoman. Any ideas?

[Gingold]

My favorite part of this issue were all the little things. Bizarro has super smell instead of super hearing. Ross truly is a detailed creator.And I love that writing.

I'm also curtious as to who shot Ray Palmer. I'm guessing it was catwoman. Any ideas?

I figured that was Giganta at normal size. The growing woman vs. the shrinking man would be an interesting fight.

[Watchman]

This book is frickin' awesome. My favorite next to Jonah Hex.

I haven't read #4 yet, but #1-3 were simply amazing. First: I love the art. Second: I love the extended use of villains (and in a badassed way). Third: I love the writing. Fourth: It is extremely suspenseful. Honestly, so much crap is happening to the heroes, and it looks like the villains are actually doing something big.

Haven't read #4. But I will, soon as I can pick it up.