INFINITE CRISIS: The Covers *SPOILERS*

[Tony Bang]

Here (http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Oct05/GeorgePInfCrisis1big.html)



If they don't raise the price for this (like most Marvel varients) I'll pick it up over the Jim Lee one.

[Buried Alien]

This cover has elements from OMAC, RANN-THANAGAR WAR, and DAYS OF VENGEANCE, but RANN-THANAGAR seems the most prominently featured. I wonder if that's any clue about the plotline?


Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[LibrarianThorne]

That is a hell of a cover. Definitely picking that one up.

Any news on Alex Ross doing covers for IC? Much as he loves DC, it seems odd that he's sitting out the biggest event since the Crisis on Infinite Earths.

[yenaled]

Perez is simply an amazing pencillier. I will be picking up his covers,

[ChildOfTheDarkholde]

WOW!
Say what you want about today's tendencies and trends, and the prevalent styles of more abstract, "artsy" pencilling,(which IMO lacks dynamism and warmth most of the time) but there will never be anything as thrilling and all-around awesome as the crisp, clear,sharp,kinetically-realistic-and-yet-ultra-dynamic styles of masters like Perez, Garcia Lopez , Adams, Byrne and its ilk.
That cover simply rocks.

(I wish more of that type of artist were working today in more books...a Jose Luis garcia Lopez-and-Joseph Rubinstein Spider-Woman would've been a dream come true!!!)

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[SpaceBooger]

wow... its got the family feel to it... the supes all on top, batman family...etc - could that be another hint to the story?

[PIMPurself]

That is a hell of a cover. Definitely picking that one up.

Any news on Alex Ross doing covers for IC? Much as he loves DC, it seems odd that he's sitting out the biggest event since the Crisis on Infinite Earths.

Yes, indeed he loves DC. But he is a hater when it comes to Crisis. He likes to do his own little storis that I enjoy but I try to remember that he pretty much has is own little Alex Ross universe seperate from the continuity.

[hotrodimus]

i thought about getting Jim Lee covers .. but after seeing this one, to hell with that one.. im getting George Perez covers all the way!!

[Batfan]

could someone color this in?

[JeffreyWKramer]

That's a beautiful cover. Not surprised, as Perez has always excelled in cover design (as opposed to costume design), but even by his high standards, that's a great cover.

[jade_nova]

It is kind of like Jim Lee's cover. I wonder if they were told what the covers should have then came up with their design. Batman's portion of the cover looks like an evolution of the character. You start as Robin then become Nightwing and finally Batman.

[Nick Kal]

I hate duel covers cause I never know which one to buy... Yowzer!

[JeffreyWKramer]

I hate duel covers cause I never know which one to buy... Yowzer!

Buy whichever one you like more, assuming your store doesn't engage in the bogusness of marking up the alternate covers.

But whatever you do, don't buy multiple copies of the books for the covers. That just encourages more bad behavior on the part of the companies.

[Sabrinaset]

It is kind of like Jim Lee's cover. I wonder if they were told what the covers should have then came up with their design. Batman's portion of the cover looks like an evolution of the character. You start as Robin then become Nightwing and finally Batman.

The one thing I noticed about Batman is that him and his associates all have their backs turned to Wonder woman and her's (and vice-versa).

[Nick Kal]

Buy whichever one you like more, assuming your store doesn't engage in the bogusness of marking up the alternate covers.

But whatever you do, don't buy multiple copies of the books for the covers. That just encourages more bad behavior on the part of the companies.

It's going to be diffucult. I guess I'll go for Perez's.

I actually met him a few years ago and had no idea who he was. Foolish me.. heh.

[Babylon23]

I'll definitely be picking up this cover. A beautiful piece of artwork, highlighting all of the miniseries leading into IC. I also noticed the divide between the big 3 and their respective "families".

Also, is that Firestorm I see flying through the city in the background?

[Indefatigable]

Oh dear. Now I'm conflicted. Yes it's a bad idea to buy both but...oh dear.

[Sixgun_Samurai]

Great cover, too bad he is not doing the whole book.
Who is the guy behind Dr.Light?

[Paul Newell]

Great cover, too bad he is not doing the whole book.
Who is the guy behind Dr.Light?
Dr. Polaris. Old green Lantern foe.

[Joe Rice]

Again strikes . . .THE WEEPER!

Sad superheroes = $$$$ALE$$$$!

[JeffreyWKramer]

Again strikes . . .THE WEEPER!

Sad superheroes = $$$$ALE$$$$!

True. But at least the cover includes some interesting composition elements and solid art. It's not like some Michael Turner cover.

[Joe Rice]

True. But at least the cover includes some interesting composition elements and solid art. It's not like some Michael Turner cover.

"Yeah, sure, he's an asshole, but he's no murderer!"

[JeffreyWKramer]

"Yeah, sure, he's an asshole, but he's no murderer!"


The content of the book will likely suck, given current DCU trends. And wrapping a turd up nicely doesn't make it into anything but a turd. Still, none of that prevents this from being a nice cover.

[Joe Rice]

The content of the book will likely suck, given current DCU trends. And wrapping a turd up nicely doesn't make it into anything but a turd. Still, none of that prevents this from being a nice cover.

Fair enough. I just don't care for Perez' work.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Fair enough. I just don't care for Perez' work.

I'm not a big Perez fan, but I like some of his stuff, and think covers are one of his strong points.

[Joe Rice]

I'm not a big Perez fan, but I like some of his stuff, and think covers are one of his strong points.

I can see that. That's a good point.

It's just that this cover, though well-put-together in some ways, is still a bunch of sad superheroes. It would look better on a velvet canvas.

[JeffreyWKramer]

I can see that. That's a good point.

It's just that this cover, though well-put-together in some ways, is still a bunch of sad superheroes. It would look better on a velvet canvas.

Now that I think of it, a good chunk of the best cover work Perez has done over the years has featured a rather maudlin tone. The classic "Who is Donna Troy" cover, for example. And the ones for the books which introduced Tim Drake to the DCU (can't recall the name of that crossover storyline).

It's easier to do a cool cover with just a villain being dramatic (thinking back to one of his early, great Brother Blood covers for NEW TEEN TITANS) or when something horrific is implied (thinking back to the old NTT ones introducing the revamped Brotherhood of Evil), but the gloomy stuff seems to spark him toward more striking design elements.

[Bored at 3:00AM]

Yeah, that is a pretty good cover. It really does tell you what kinda story you're buying...which was what covers used to do back in the day.

[Sean Walsh]

Any news on Alex Ross doing covers for IC? Much as he loves DC, it seems odd that he's sitting out the biggest event since the Crisis on Infinite Earths.

Well, he did do the cover (with Jim Lee) for COUNTDOWN.

Plus I'm sure he's busy doing JUSTICE (he painting over Braithwaite, isn't he?) and other projects.

PS: AWESOME Perez cover. :)

[Keith_Martineau]

Once again nobody notices that PSYCHO PIRATE is in front of the Spectre. You know, the only character from the original crisis who remembers what happened?

[JeffreyWKramer]

Once again nobody notices that PSYCHO PIRATE is in front of the Spectre. You know, the only character from the original crisis who remembers what happened?
Just because nobody commented on it doesn't mean this wasn't noticed.

Stuff in JSA CONFIDENTIAL also suggests Psycho Pirate will be playing a significant role in INFINITE CRISIS.

[Bored at 3:00AM]

Has the Psycho Pirate showed up anywhere in the mainstream DCU since Morrison's Crisis sequel in Animal Man all those years ago?

[JeffreyWKramer]

Has the Psycho Pirate showed up anywhere in the mainstream DCU since Morrison's Crisis sequel in Animal Man all those years ago?
I don't think so. If so, I can't think of what it was.

He's been way too long absent, IMHO. Great villain.

[Bored at 3:00AM]

There were a few very lovely stories with Psycho Pirate in the Justice League Adventures/Unlimited comic. More people should really check those comics out, they're missing some really fun stuff.

[converge241]

Once again nobody notices that PSYCHO PIRATE is in front of the Spectre. You know, the only character from the original crisis who remembers what happened?

whats harbinger and pariah's latest DCU status?

and trust me i always notice psycho pirate... the ending to crisis 12 still haunts me where hes rambling..awesome stuff!!!

[Paul Newell]

whats harbinger and pariah's latest DCU status?

and trust me i always notice psycho pirate... the ending to crisis 12 still haunts me where hes rambling..awesome stuff!!!
Both dead.

This was mentioned recently in another thread...I'll try and find the details.

[JeffreyWKramer]

There were a few very lovely stories with Psycho Pirate in the Justice League Adventures/Unlimited comic. More people should really check those comics out, they're missing some really fun stuff.

Oh, yes. Great books. Of course, I've enjoyed the animated JL and (previous version) Batman books more than I have the DCU ones most of the time for the past several years.

[foxfire]

Ummm.... wheres Luthor? Seems to me he's arguably the DCU's 4th biggest player right now after the Big Three...

[JeffreyWKramer]

Both dead.

This was mentioned recently in another thread...I'll try and find the details.

I vaguely recall mention of Harbinger dying in one of the SUPERMAN/BATMAN arcs, but I don't recall Pariah being dead. When did that happen?

And, is Waverider still around? Talk about a lame character. I know that most any character can be someone's favorite, but does anyone claim Waverider??

[Captain Jim]

I'll definitely be getting the Perez cover.

[converge241]

waverider was cool in armageddon 2001 number one then it ended quickly

and that info would be great i did a search but too many results :(

[Paul Newell]

I vaguely recall mention of Harbinger dying in one of the SUPERMAN/BATMAN arcs, but I don't recall Pariah being dead. When did that happen?

And, is Waverider still around? Talk about a lame character. I know that most any character can be someone's favorite, but does anyone claim Waverider??

I found the discussion and looks like I was wrong about Pariah. Looks like he's still alive.

I'm not sure about Waverider...I vaguely recall reading a scene recently where the Linear Men were wiped out...But I'm not sure where. In Superman/Batman??

[hitokiri_]

hmm... the league's tower ges trashed in both covers. am i the only one who notices it? does that bring end to the league and they go back to happy harbor?

[JeffreyWKramer]

I'm not sure about Waverider...I vaguely recall reading a scene recently where the Linear Men were wiped out...But I'm not sure where. In Superman/Batman??

I think Per Degaton mentioned that during the recent JSA arc, but presumably most of the changes he inflicted on the time stream were reversed when he was defeated. His murder of Courtney's family was.

[JeffreyWKramer]

hmm... the league's tower ges trashed in both covers. am i the only one who notices it? does that bring end to the league and they go back to happy harbor?

The League is getting disbanded in one of the next couple issues of JLA, by Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman. This leads directly into IDENTITY CRISIS, according to some of the stuff already announced, at which time Green Arrow, Black Canary and Aquaman try to reform the League.

[namo580]

I don't think that Pariah has been a story line since the Crisis. He and Lady Qwark just disappeared, has she been seen since?

[JeffreyWKramer]

I don't think that Pariah has been a story line since the Crisis. He and Lady Qwark just disappeared, has she been seen since?

Lady Quark was a regular in the modern-day L.E.G.I.O.N. title for quite awhile. No idea whether she's been seen in anything since then.

[Sk8maven]

Lady Quark was a regular in the modern-day L.E.G.I.O.N. title for quite awhile. No idea whether she's been seen in anything since then.She got killed off in a later issue of that title. I forget whether it was before or after it changed its name to R.E.B.E.L.S.

Maven

[Sk8maven]

I'm not sure about Waverider...I vaguely recall reading a scene recently where the Linear Men were wiped out...But I'm not sure where. In Superman/Batman??It was in a Super-book that came out immediately after Our Worlds at War. The Linear Men (possibly their far-future selves, as most of them have turned into Brain-Globes) haul Superman up before the Quintessence on charges of "war crimes", on the specious grounds that the "hollowing" of the universe by Imperiex was "supposed to happen and he prevented it(!). We also find out thet THEY were responsible for unleashing Imperiex!

The Quintessence see right through this flimsy logic and banish the Linear Men from this plane of existence, stating flatly that they've all gone mad and that their monolinear logic is no longer the way the Universe works.

I don't recall whether Waverider was one of the Brain-Globes - I rather think not. And at the very end of the issue, someone who looks exactly like Liri Lee (the only Linear Man who stayed human-looking) shows up to be a nanny to Lex Luthor's baby girl Lena. Don't know if that's ever been followed up on - probably not.

Maven

[Joe Rice]

Why does no one at DC seem to remember the Psycho Pirate was replaced by (forgetting the name and not at my apartment right now . . .) James Highwater/Hightower? The scientist from Morrison's Animal Man run.

[Loren]

Has the Psycho Pirate showed up anywhere in the mainstream DCU since Morrison's Crisis sequel in Animal Man all those years ago?

He showed up with a Neron-induced overhaul in the "Manhunter" tie-in to Underworld Unleashed. I'm not sure if that changed look ever appeared again.

The DCUGuide entry on the guy lacks that appearance, but does mention that he showed up in the Joker: Last Laugh mini. I don't know if it was anything more than a cameo, though.

And as for Harbinger and Pariah, they both appeared as supporting characters in JLA 80-Page Giant #3, which introduced Moon Maiden.

[Sk8maven]

Why does no one at DC seem to remember the Psycho Pirate was replaced by (forgetting the name and not at my apartment right now . . .) James Highwater/Hightower? The scientist from Morrison's Animal Man run.Probably because everything in the Morrison run was retconned at the end of it. By Morrison.

Maven

[Joe Rice]

Probably because everything in the Morrison run was retconned at the end of it. By Morrison.

Maven

Not everything. Just the family stuff and Buddy's realization.

[Tom]

Why does no one at DC seem to remember the Psycho Pirate was replaced by (forgetting the name and not at my apartment right now . . .) James Highwater/Hightower? The scientist from Morrison's Animal Man run.
I thought you didn't care about continuity.

[Paul Newell]

She got killed off in a later issue of that title. I forget whether it was before or after it changed its name to R.E.B.E.L.S.

Maven

It was before the change. She was killed then impersonated by an alien parasite in #62.

[converge241]

hmm... the league's tower ges trashed in both covers. am i the only one who notices it? does that bring end to the league and they go back to happy harbor?

maybe the tower gets destroyed in scenes like in the 1st crisis on the satelite with firestorm, atom, TO MOrrow, tornado etc

[Reggie Swats]

WOW.

Now THAT'S a Crisis cover! It's beautiful... so much to look at...

[Joe Rice]

I thought you didn't care about continuity.

I don't. But the people that supposedly do apparently aren't very good at it.

[Reggie Swats]

Who's the guy between Dr. Light and Black Adam?

[Paul Newell]

See post #19 in this thread. ;)

[Reggie Swats]

Thanks Paul!

[trickster]

I dunno, seeing it like this it seems to have too much ink.
Now if I they only had Ethan Van Sciver (GL Rebirth) and Michael Turner do their own variants, that would be great.

[Mulett]

Great cover - it certainly seems to suggest the big three will go their seperate ways after this event.

Is there a link to the other cover?

[yenaled]

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/InfiniteCrisis/InCrisis02_solicit.jpg

So I guess we can count JSA: Classified as part of the lead up to Crisis.

I have to say, she's looking good.

[Adem]

I don't like the look of her eyes, but besides that its a good drawing. How many issues will there be of Infinite Crisis anyways?

[JeffreyWKramer]

So I guess we can count JSA: Classified as part of the lead up to Crisis.

Given all the stuff with multiple versions of PG showing up, and her powers going all wonky, in JSA, and the presence of Psycho Pirate in JSA CLASSIFIED, I think that was taken as pretty much a given well before this.

[Expletive Deleted]

That, plus JSA CLASSIFIED is being written by Johns. I don't think he's writing anything at the moment that doesn't somehow tie into IC.

As for the cover itself . . . meh. It's just a pin-up, and a pretty bland one at that.

[hotrodimus]

yeah the cover itself isnt pretty much,,

[xanderxerxes]

I don't like the look of her eyes, but besides that its a good drawing. How many issues will there be of Infinite Crisis anyways?

seven issues!!

[Adam Crocker]

As for the cover itself . . . meh. It's just a pin-up, and a pretty bland one at that.

Indeed, though it helps that I don't like Lee's art all that much either.

Now if it was drawn by Adam Hughes or Frank Cho...

[titanfan]

I noticed her eyes looked differently too. Almost as if they were trying to get it to be like Superman's eyes....

[jade_nova]

I don't like the look of her eyes, but besides that its a good drawing. How many issues will there be of Infinite Crisis anyways?

I don't think your supposed to be looking at her eyes. :)

[Lex]

Two things:

1.) This cover looks "meh."

2.) Does this mean that Power Girl's origin will be finalized in Infinite Crisis? If so, what the heck is the point of reading JSA Classified #1-4? Even though I'm curious about the Legion connection, I think I'll save my money and wait for the main IC book to tell me what's going on with PG.

[Loren]

Another two things:

1) IMO, Lee's version of PG looks substantially younger than other takes on the character. The face reminds me an awful lot of the teenage Supergirl, not the adult Power Girl.

2) As far as covers of 'Power Girl standing in front of generic background' go, I much prefer Amanda Conner's version:

http://images.comicbookresources.com/solicits/dc102005/dcu/big/JSAClassifiedCv4.jpg

[Adam Crocker]

2.) Does this mean that Power Girl's origin will be finalized in Infinite Crisis? If so, what the heck is the point of reading JSA Classified #1-4? Even though I'm curious about the Legion connection, I think I'll save my money and wait for the main IC book to tell me what's going on with PG.

According to the solicits for JSA Classified #4, Power Girl's origin is supposed to be resolved in JSA Classified #4, but the revelations that come with it help to set up Infinite Crisis.

[Indefatigable]

I think it's a nice drawing, just...nothing's happening.

[Adam Crocker]

1) IMO, Lee's version of PG looks substantially younger than other takes on the character. The face reminds me an awful lot of the teenage Supergirl, not the adult Power Girl.

Which begs the question: is this indicative of something related to her origin or just of Lee's own failings as an artist?

2) As far as covers of 'Power Girl standing in front of generic background' go, I much prefer Amanda Conner's version

As do I. There's much more life and character in Connor's piece.

[hitokiri_]

that ain't right.

[powergirl]

what if?
powergirl is supermans cousin and chooses to be supergirl....
or dies and is replaced by supergirl?

could work.. esp if this supergirl isn't supes cuz either...

it is a kind of legacy charatcer...

[trickster]

She looks kinda young, but other than that she's damn pretty. I still think JIm Lee can draw some of the cutest women around. Along with Ed Benes of course. But isn't illegal for someone that young to have such big boobs? :D

[yenaled]

I think it is a crap cover personally, leave it to Lee to do the poses and Perez will do the epic covers.

[geewaiho]

is it just me or are his drawings not up to the standard they use to be. They seem alot more cute. When did lee's work start changing. Maybe after W.i.l.d.c.a.t.s??

[krammocon]

Definitely in my must buy list. I dunno why you don't like it, but I, as a Peegee fan were excited to see different renditions of her by different artists. Makes me say "So this is how [insert artist name here] draws Peegee?" And I had fun seeing them. Just my two cents. ;)

[xanderxerxes]

what if?
powergirl is supermans cousin and chooses to be supergirl....
or dies and is replaced by supergirl?

could work.. esp if this supergirl isn't supes cuz either...

it is a kind of legacy charatcer...

If that ever happens there will be a lot of PG fans crying foul!!!
And supergirl will never ever replace PG. Unless she puts on implants(apology if this seems too sexist)! :p :D

[powergirl]

If that ever happens there will be a lot of PG fans crying foul!!!
And supergirl will never ever replace PG. Unless she puts on implants(apology if this seems too sexist)! :p :D


what if kryptonians have late puberty?
i.e. supes growing powers as a kid?

[krammocon]

What if, Supergirl right now is just an introduction of PG as she became the new SUPERGIRL? Supergirl is really PG in the future, and when IC is over, Supergirl dies (but not really) coz it is PG in the future, so PG will live as SUPERGIRL for the present year. Hehehe

So who dies IC? Future Supergirl/Power Girl name
Who took the place? Power Girl as the new Supergirl after IC

[Reggie Swats]

I think it is a crap cover personally, leave it to Lee to do the poses and Perez will do the epic covers.

Amen. Perez is the man. He can fit a dozen characters on the cover, each doing something that relates to the actual plot, however vaguely. This is a Crisis after all! We've seen enough of these pinups for the last 20 years. Bring on the epic covers again.

And as far as Power Girl pinups go, the JSA Classified cover shown above is about as good as they come.

[powergirl]

What if, Supergirl right now is just an introduction of PG as she became the new SUPERGIRL? Supergirl is really PG in the future, and when IC is over, Supergirl dies (but not really) coz it is PG in the future, so PG will live as SUPERGIRL for the present year. Hehehe

So who dies IC? Future Supergirl/Power Girl name
Who took the place? Power Girl as the new Supergirl after IC
r u trying to screw up contuinity agian... i would think if anything... if supergirl died and was remebered this time and pee gee is the earth 2 kara.. thatshe would change her name to honor her fallen.. sister....

[El Castigador]

cant believe am saying tis but i believe Lee has drawn the smaller chest on Power Girl

[powergirl]

cant believe am saying tis but i believe Lee has drawn the smaller chest on Power Girl
where???????????

[hitokiri_]

http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9583864

[hitokiri_]

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[The Mirrorball Man]

I didn't like it in black and white, and I still don't like it in color. That kind of stilted, academic superhero art is just not my cuppa.

[Expletive Deleted]

I like it better in black and white.

The color version is still better than Lee's cover, though.

[hangmanjury]

droooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooool

[Blueferret]

I like it. I was more impressed with the fact that Perez was inking Garcia-Lopez over in Donna Troy. If anything screams Titans it's Garcia-Lopez and Perez.

[Viking Bastard]

It's... awful.


Y'know, I don't really like Perez' recent work all that much. His older stuff is much better.
It's so... static. It's much more detailed and... crafted, but it's like a photograph.

It lacks... oomph.

[hitokiri_]

kon el looks like a statue though.

[nightwing1982]

Likes OK.

I like Lee's cover better.

[Paradox]

I liked it in black and white.

I think they went overboard with the blue. Looks unbalanced, color-wise.

[trickster]

Likes OK.

I like Lee's cover better.

LOOOOOL, you gotta be kidding me. I thought everyone loved to hate Jim Lee.

I like them both but Lee's seems a bit less static.

[Indefatigable]

It's worse in color. But I still think I'll get his. Maybe.

[Harry]

I quite like it. Looked better in black and white but miles better than the Lee cover either way. Has a more epic grandiosity to it which I think will fit a story of this scale more appropriately. Well, I guess I have no idea what the scale is, but you know what I mean.

[prand_2002]

It actually looked better in black and white.Theres too much blue,

[Paradox]

trickster is astounded:

LOOOOOL, you gotta be kidding me. I thought everyone loved to hate Jim Lee.

Well, sales figures would beg to differ with that. :)

Not that I'm a big fan. I consider him the best of that Image crowd, but that's not saying that much.

[Super Sonic]

Sorry to go off topic,but does anyone have a link to Lee's cover?

[Harry]

http://www.dccomics.com/comics/?cm=4336

[trickster]

Well, sales figures would beg to differ with that. :)

Not that I'm a big fan. I consider him the best of that Image crowd, but that's not saying that much.

Hey I like him. But then I'm also so damn superficial and I like Ian Churchill and Turner (though for him it's only when he draws for DC, his Aspen comics suck).

[Michael P]

HIghly subjective comparison passed off as objective artistic analysis on my blog. Short version: Perez is better.

[Private America]

I like them both, but like Perez's a bit better. I might get them both.

[TJ Shoun]

Beautiful cover.

Perez is amazing - always has been.

[Beta Ray Bill]

I don't really care which cover I get. The story inside is still the same...

[Phoney Bone]

Instead of buying a Lee cover and a Perez cover, I'm gona get two by Perez. :)

[Arkham Resident]

Dont like it that much.

But when a cover needs to have more than two superheroes on it, Alex Ross is still my choice. Black and White or with color.

[TitoJones]

I don't know if this makes any sense, but while I liked Perez's B&W cover better than Lee's, I like Lee's better than the colored Perez cover.

[Paradox]

Beta Ray Bill says it all:

I don't really care which cover I get. The story inside is still the same...

I think this is the first time I've encountered you, but I must say I think we could be allies here. ;)

[d00m]

I love the Perez cover... but I'll probably end up buying both.

I still think DC should have take a chance and hired Johnson from 100 Bullets. That would have ruled. And it would have been different. Plus all his covers are pretty sweeeeet in my opinion. Anyone see the covers he did for Detective Comics a while back?

Or DC could have done Johnson and Alex Ross if they reallllly wanted dual covers.

[foxfire]

Um I have to ask again... where's Luthor? You have half the freaking DCU in there but no Luthor... I guess Bizzaro or Dr. Polaris is the true mastermind behind the villains, not Lex :)

[PIMPurself]

I don't really care which cover I get. The story inside is still the same...

Agreed. I would still buy it if the cover was a white sheet of printer paper that had the Infinite Crisis words on there. The inside counts the most.

[powergirl]

i have a feeling there will be a b&w variant cover..
for some reason the uncoloured version seemed like it had more emotion.

[BonjourTragedy]

Here (http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/InfiniteCrisis/ICcvr03peek.htm)

Holy crap! OMAC attack! This probably ties in with WW 221 and 223. And what decision is Batman making? Who is in Atlantis that Spectre would be after?

[bfrank]

I'd imagine the magic (of atlantis)....

[foxfire]

Wow awesome cover :). It seems the covers (other than #1) arent as much like CoIE, where they were jam full of just about every character ever.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Whatever trepidations I have about this book and the direction of the DCU, it sure is nice to see George Perez drawing Wonder Woman again.

[CaptMagellan]

Whatever trepidations I have about this book and the direction of the DCU, it sure is nice to see George Perez drawing Wonder Woman again.

Yeah. I'm really liking Perez's work on these covers.

[Cayman]

Fury's so going to die.

Cay

[Loren]

It's not the cover that interests me, so much as the solicitation text:

War is brought home as Wonder Woman leads the Amazons in a struggle to maintain their control of Paradise Island in the face of a full-on OMAC onslaught — just as the Spectre turns his vengeful eye toward Atlantis! And as the DCU is plunged into chaos, Batman is offered one last chance at the life he’s always wanted…but at what price?

I've been waiting on some story specifics for IC before I made a decision whether or not to buy it. The lead-in minis haven't interested me (I ended up dropping the ones I tried), but I figured I'd wait to see what IC was going to be about. The solicitations for #1-2 were pretty darn generic, but this finally offers some detail.

And it doesn't encourage me. It tells me there's to be major attention paid to one mini-seres's concept that I didn't especially care for, and additional focus on another mini's primary conceit that I actively dislike. And given DC's treatment of Batman as of late, I can't say that anything involving him is likely to draw me in.

Things could change, but right now it looks like 'Infinite Crisis' ain't gonna be on my pull list any time soon.

[Kirayoshi]

Batman is offered one last chance at the life he’s always wanted…but at what price?

Given the rumors regarding Batman being locked up in Arkham, why do I suddenly have an image of Batman in a catatonic state, completely unaware of his surroundings, with a parasitic fungus/plant hybrid embedded in his chest?

For those who don't know what I'm talking about, read Superman Annual #11, "For The Man Who Has Everything", by Alan Moore. Or see the JLU ep of the same name.

[DracoMalfoy]

Again?! Those poor women never get a break.

[PatrickG]

Is it #3 or #4 that's supposed to REALLY take a turn for left field and have a big "unifying moment" for the DCU?

I forget.

A lot of what I gathered is that the first few issues deal with how the DCU fits together after the various mini series and "Crisis of Conscience" and then the series is supposed to take a TOTAL detour halfway through and turn into something else altogether.

'Course, the first Crisis did the same thing. Was it #4 or so that we actually ended up with Dead Monitor and Anti-Monitor appearing?

[Adam Crocker]

Is it #3 or #4 that's supposed to REALLY take a turn for left field and have a big "unifying moment" for the DCU?

Number four I believe.

[BonjourTragedy]

I thought it was either 5 or 6 actually cause doesn't the OYL start in Febuary in time for 5?

[Super Sonic]

Silly DC,they put this on their releases on December 14th as #4 :rolleyes:

[Mulett]

Fury's so going to die.

Cay

Just out of interest, if Fury isn't the Earth-2 Wonder Woman's daughter, who is she?

[Sk8maven]

Just out of interest, if Fury isn't the Earth-2 Wonder Woman's daughter, who is she?In current continuity (whatever that may mean), she's the biological daughter of a retconned-in Golden Age superheroine who called herself "Fury" and was empowered by the Greek Furies. We don't know who her biological father was, but (per Neil Gaiman in Sandman, "The Kindly Ones") he was probably someone that the "original" Fury cared about so much that she dropped everything else to hunt down, torment, and finally kill his killer. "Everything else" included baby Lyta, who was dropped off with the former Miss America, Joan Dale, and her husband Admiral Derek Trevor (who was a US Navy aviator circa WWII). Lyta was eventually adopted officially by the Trevors and raised by them.

"Lyta" is short for "Hippolyta" - the Queen of the Amazons, while acting as the Golden Age Wonder Woman, mentored the "original" Fury, who eventually went round the bend completely and started believing that Polly was her "real" mother.

That's how things stand at present. Whether they will still be the same after Infinite Crisis, no one knows.

Maven

[pureclint]

Linky (http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/InfiniteCrisis/IC_4_Perezepre.htm)

INFINITE CRISIS #4
Written by Geoff Johns
Art by Phil Jimenez & Andy Lanning, George Pérez & Jerry Ordway
Covers by Jim Lee & Sandra Hope and George Pérez
The Crisis continues to explode across the DCU as a great power is unleashed. But whose side is it on? Witness a shocking confrontation between Batman and Nightwing, a vicious battle that threatens to tear the heroes of the DCU further apart, and a startling change to the recently deceased. Plus, guest appearances by more characters than we can list! Retailers please note: This issue will ship with covers by Lee & Hope (approximately 50%) and Pérez (approximately 50%).

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/InfiniteCrisis/InfiniteCrisisCv4.jpg



Witness a shocking confrontation between Batman and Nightwing, a vicious battle that threatens to tear the heroes of the DCU further apart, and a startling change to the recently deceased.

Interesting...

[muimi]

I am so all over this. If for nothing else, the Batman/Nightwing confrontation.

[foxfire]

Woah seems like Donna took half the DCU up with her to space! :)

I guess each of the 4 minis will have an individual cover somewhere in IC? We already had an OMAC one, now a R/T War cover...

[The Mirrorball Man]

It's really depressing. Most if not all DC heroes seem to dress exactly like they used to twenty years ago.

[protege]

Yeah, what's bumblebee doing there?

[aeastwic]

Interesting that Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman or the 4 people in Paradise are not on this cover...Wonder where they will be?

Well, Batman will be fighting Nightwing, but SuperGIRL is there...where are the Supermen?

[pureclint]

Really?

Kyle, Donna, the Hawks, Firestorm and the Hawks all have their new looks.

Airwave to I think.

Anyone know who the Moonknight looking dude?

[foxfire]

Seems Nightwing would be pretty lonely on Earth... all his TT buddies are in space

[Cayman]

They are falling into the Bachalo cover to House Of M #8?? :confused:

Cay

[pureclint]

Seems Nightwing would be pretty lonely on Earth... all his TT buddies are in space


He has Barbara and her wiggly toe to keep him happy.

[Cayman]

Really?

Kyle, Donna, the Hawks, Firestorm and the Hawks all have their new looks.

Airwave to I think.

Anyone know who the Moonknight looking dude?

Former Teen Titan Mal, isn't it?

Cay

[Adam Crocker]

They are falling into the Bachalo cover to House Of M #8?? :confused:

Yes, though to be fair they probably haven't seen his work since the Age of Apocalypse mini-series, hence the looks of abject horror on their faces.

[The Mirrorball Man]

Really?

Kyle, Donna, the Hawks, Firestorm and the Hawks all have their new looks.
And don't forget the Hawks! :D

No, I mean, you're right. But look at it this way: Kyle has managed to keep his new look, probably because he wasn't around during the eighties. The Hawks still look the same, with some minor modifications, and Firestorm's only new feature is his red face. Donna Troy's costume is obviously new, but it looks even more dated and retro than her older uniform.

Nothing here leads me to me to think that the artists involved in designing these characters care about the evolution of fashion, or about any esthetic innovations outside the realm of superheroes.

[Joe Zool]

They are falling into the Bachalo cover to House Of M #8?? :confused:

Cay

Hah, I thought the same thing. :)

[Corrina]

Is that Animal Man? If it is, what is Animal Man doing in space?

[fuaak]

Is that Animal Man? If it is, what is Animal Man doing in space?
Breathing, apparently.

Animal Man is great.

[Gingold]

Maybe Buddy absorbed the powers of some alien animals? :rolleyes: I'm just glad he's got a big role in this series.


The big three and the Paradise gang aren't on the cover because they're not part of the group that Donna recruited to go off into space. We've already seen her recruit Firestorm, Starfire, Alan Scott, Kory, Supergirl and Airwave, who are all pictured. I assume that her group must run into the Rann/ Thanagar bunch, which is why the Lanterns and the Hawks are there.

That's one cool-ass cover. Awesome to see Mal and Bumblebee.

[Corrina]

I dunno.

If it were me, I'd be worried about my favorite character having a big role in a much-hyped series. Like Blue Beetle. Or Tim Drake. Or Spoiler.

I like Animal Man too. I just can't figure out how he ends up in space. He's a bigger WTF? than Hornblower. At least Hornblower knows Donna. Bonus, he's not wearing the Worst Costume Ever. This one is bad but doesn't approach the horribleness of the original.

[JeffreyWKramer]

I dunno.

If it were me, I'd be worried about my favorite character having a big role in a much-hyped series. Like Blue Beetle. Or Tim Drake. Or Spoiler.

I've been saying the same thing for awhile. These days, I cringe when I hear some obscure character I like is making a guest appearance, because I figure likely as not, the character won't survive the issue. I used to want to anxiously await the occasional appearance of someone like the Shroud or the Creeper, but these days I kinda hope the creators just forget about them.

Anyone wanna lay odds on Mal and/or Bumblebee not surviving this issue? The first cover appearance Mal has had in a couple decades, he's right next to the big space hole, and it's a story featuring lots of people dying... I'd say his odds suck.

Hopefully he'll at least do something cool in dying. As I recall, his horn can do all sorts of funky things, so maybe he'll actually have a significant role, rather than just being part of the "kill off the third-stringer" cavalcade.

As to what Buddy's doing in space, I'm guessing the answer is: Asking himself "What the **** am I doing in space?!"

[Lex]

It's a pretty cool cover (enjoy Perez's covers for IC a lot). My worry is that some of the characters on there are going to die. I don't want any of them to have to die (well, except Shift).

The only part of the solicitation that interested me was this:
...and a startling change to the recently deceased.I'm hoping some of the recent pointless deaths (like the Freedom Fighters) will come back to life.

[The Adventurer]

Might be Martian Manhunter.

Could be Blue Beetle

Or the Freedom Fighters

or Sue Dibney

or anyone else killed in the last two years.



Also, are we sure that's not Booster Gold to the left of Animal Man?

[JeffreyWKramer]

Might be Martian Manhunter.
Spoilers re: J'onn:
He's not dead, per JLA 120.

[The Adventurer]

He's not dead, per JLA 120.

Is that issue where the Moonbase explodes?

Or the issue after?

[JeffreyWKramer]

Also, are we sure that's not Booster Gold to the left of Animal Man?

That's Air Wave. He guest-starred in an incredibly weak issue of JSA recently, during which he went to go join Donna's crew.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Is that issue where the Moonbase explodes?

Or the issue after?


The new issue, out this week. He's encounters Manitou Raven's wife in the astral plane, and is rather cryptic about where he is and what he's up to, but says he will reveal himself in time, when he may be of assistance.

[DDM]

Is that Animal Man? If it is, what is Animal Man doing in space?


Animal Man was in space during Crisis On Infinite Earths.

[The Adventurer]

Who's the rocky/icey guy in the forground?

[Nick Kal]

Shift of The Outsiders.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Animal Man was in space during Crisis On Infinite Earths.

During which time he mostly stood about and did nothing. Shortly after CRISIS came Morrison's ANIMAL MAN series, in which he finally came to his own as a character.

[ducklord]

Who's the rocky/icey guy in the forground?

He's Shift, a batch of Metamorpho's cells that grew into their own sentient being. He's a member of the current Outsiders team.

IMHO, he exists primarily because Judd Winick had a LOT of leftover Morph jokes, and didn't want to bother with the real Metamorpho's backstory...

I keed,
Mike.

[perfect_Cell]

It's really depressing. Most if not all DC heroes seem to dress exactly like they used to twenty years ago.


Thats more George Perez than the DC heroes themselves

[Wrye]

And how about that Green Lantern in the red shirt. What is this, 1940?

I kid. But the era and the costume and the character *are* deeply intertwined. Beyond that, costumes can only change so much--especially for minor characters who aren't used that often. The justification would be that they need to be recognizable in battle (and in reality, for marketing puposes).

[Cayman]

Yes, though to be fair they probably haven't seen his work since the Age of Apocalypse mini-series, hence the looks of abject horror on their faces.

Quite possibly.

"My God! Our noses will become huge!"


Cay

[Murrocko]

Well, at least I know Nightwing makes it to issue 4. :D

[Grant]

Kyle Rayner has a "Dear God I'm screwed" look on his face. I'm thinking he's this events Barry Allen.

[LordEd1976]

Could it possible there's a reason why everyone looks like 20 years ago? a story reason?

As for the recently deceased, maybe they're challenging Death to contest in orderto come back?

[ScottDMSimmons]

I love this cover. It's pretty symbolic of the "disaster in dimensions" look of the very first Crisis on Infinite Earths cover (which also featured Cyborg, a Firesorm, and a few Lanterns). Very similar, while still different in its own composition. Here's half the cover below...

--Scott


http://www.comics.org/graphics/covers/2973/400/2973_4_01.jpg

[cactusmaac]

Firestorm's only new feature is his red face.

Don't forget his (deep breath) non-puffy sleeves. :)

[Devan74]

Kyle Rayner has a "Dear God I'm screwed" look on his face. I'm thinking he's this events Barry Allen.

Nope, he's not.

[titanfan]

Yeah, what's bumblebee doing there?

Herald and Bumblebee are sticking out like a sore thumb in terms of being way underpowered for this mission. I can see Karen choosing to go though, it's possible Donna asked her to come because she wanted a scientist or someone smart along. (Mal just tagged along since Karen was going)

[The Mirrorball Man]

Don't forget his (deep breath) non-puffy sleeves. :)
Yeah, I'm overjoyed about this.

[ColdFury]

Wow, is it me or does Jade look screwed? She looks like she's just about at the event horizon there.

"We're going for a less dark DCU, cheating ho-biscuits get to the front of the second stringer kill line!"

*ducks*

[moebius]

Kyle Rayner has a "Dear God I'm screwed" look on his face. I'm thinking he's this events Barry Allen.

He also looks like Robin and/or Connor Kent Superboy. I guess that's become the staple "young hero" look...they don't even try anymore, do they?

[Bored at 3:00AM]

Kyle ain't dying.

Everyone at DC, from Geoff Johns to Dave Gibbons to Pete Tomasi to the intern to gives Dan Dido his happy ending massage have said that Kyle will continue to be a part of the GL comics for the forseeable future.

Yet, not a week goes by that I don't see some post worrying that he's gonna die. Look, I hereby vow that I will write a 1000 page essay praising the work ethic of Rob Liefeld if Kyle Rayner dies.

He ain't dying.

[Grant]

Kyle ain't dying.

Everyone at DC, from Geoff Johns to Dave Gibbons to Pete Tomasi to the intern to gives Dan Dido his happy ending massage have said that Kyle will continue to be a part of the GL comics for the forseeable future.

Yet, not a week goes by that I don't see some post worrying that he's gonna die. Look, I hereby vow that I will write a 1000 page essay praising the work ethic of Rob Liefeld if Kyle Rayner dies.

He ain't dying.

Okay. Fine I believe you.

Bumblebee your days are numbered.

[Lex]

Herald and Bumblebee are sticking out like a sore thumb in terms of being way underpowered for this mission. I can see Karen choosing to go though, it's possible Donna asked her to come because she wanted a scientist or someone smart along. (Mal just tagged along since Karen was going)How can you define them as "underpowered" when we don't even know what's going on? Donna could be recruiting them for a specific purpose in this mission. Just because they don't have Superman-level powers, doesn't mean they can't help.

And I've always like those two. I hope they stick around, because it would be cool to see them some more.

[stealthwise]

The only part of the solicitation that interested me was this:
I'm hoping some of the recent pointless deaths (like the Freedom Fighters) will come back to life.

Zombie superheroes! That's never been done befo... wait.

[JelloBiafra]

I'm loving the motley crew that Donna has put together because they are all just as much a hodge podge as the crew that was gathered by Harbinger in the first issue of COIE with the only difference being that Donna actually has history with a good number of her recruits.

As for Herald being underpowered for this mission I have to disagree. The dude has a horn that opens dimensional portals and since there seems to be a big ass dimensional portal openign up in space I think he might be useful.

[Lex]

Zombie superheroes! That's never been done befo... wait.Hey, does coming back to life mean that you're technically a zombie? So, by that logic, Superman is a zombie? Now he's WAY cooler!

[Ender]

Spoilerish (http://www.sequart.com/news/index.php?story=708)

[The Wayner]

The painful look on Firestorm's face always gets to me whenever I look at that cover. :o

[Super Sonic]

If I could get one cover with Beast Boy on it, I will die happy.

Cyborg.............you bastard.

[Harry]

I heart Perez.

[Phoney Bone]

It reminds me of Crisis on Infinite Earths #1 and the awestruck joy I had looking at the cover on the spinner rack.

[pureclint]

It reminds me of Crisis on Infinite Earths #1 and the awestruck joy I had looking at the cover on the spinner rack.


Actually this reminds me of the four page thread (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=85936) a few threads down. ;)

[Flight]

The painful look on Firestorm's face always gets to me whenever I look at that cover. :o Maybe its cause he's missing his left leg.

[J. Roberts]

Herald and Bumblebee are sticking out like a sore thumb in terms of being way underpowered for this mission. I can see Karen choosing to go though, it's possible Donna asked her to come because she wanted a scientist or someone smart along. (Mal just tagged along since Karen was going)

KIRK: "Okay, we need an away team to beam down to that planet and steal some dilithium from the space pirate camp before the Galactic Amoeba consumes the entire ship. Bones! Spock! You're with me. Oh, and...you! Redshirt Jones! You're coming too!"

JONES: *whimper*

[mohammedali]

The cover is reminding me of Zero Hour *shivers*
Let's hope there are no other similarities...

Mohammed Ali

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Yeah thats Animal Man......and is that Booster Gold on the left or someone else ? Jesus....can this series get anymore wilder ? I wanna see whjat this means for the dead of the DCU and what that line means.

[foxfire]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/ssoman/INFCR_Cv2_GP.jpg

IC #2 George Perez cover (http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/InfiniteCrisis/IC02Perez.htm)

Im sorry but this has to be said:

HOLY F****** S***!!! :D

Wow every time I look at that I see something I didnt see before...

[DDM]

Wow! I love George Perez's art when he pencils & inks his own work...

[foxfire]

Someone with more DC knowledge than I have want to get a list of every image going? :) That's a pretty damn good history of the DCU if I say so myself...

[DDM]

The two "planets" are Qward & Oa, Lyla & the Monitor in his satellite, Uncle Sam, Arion, Captain Atom (post-Crisis), Aquaman, an anti-matter wave disintergrating the matter universe from Crisis On Infinite Earths, Batman holding the murdered Jason Todd (post-Crisis), the Anti-Monitor (as of Crisis #8), Martian Manhunter, Kara Zor-L's ship heading towards Earth-2 (pre-Crisis), Kal-El's ship headed toward Earth (post-Crisis), Superman holding the dead Supergirl after she was murdered by the Anti-Monitor in Crisis On Infinite Earths #7, the classic "Flash of Two Worlds," the first JSA-JLA team up (pre-Crisis), the Flash II's costume found on Qward as of Crisis On Infinite Earths #8,12, Johnny Quick from Earth-3, Lex Luthor in his green battle armor (pre-Crisis), the Hand from the Dawn of Time (Green Lantern #40), Lady Quark, Parallax (post-Crisis), Superboy (post-Crisis), Alexander Luthor from Earth-3, Earth-2 Superman & Lois Lane, & Earth-Prime Superboy from Crisis On Infinite Earths #12 after they have killed the Anti-Monitor.

Power Girl when she first appeared in All Star Comics #58 as a member on Earth-2's JSA, Superman vs Doomsday (post-Crisis), Dr. Light...

[Buried Alien]

I think I just wet myself.

November can't come soon enough!


Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[jetter_cheeze]

Take note all cover artists: This is how you do a cover for a superhero crossover event.

Period.

[caboose]

Lee needs to step up his game. Not that I can even draw at all, but Perez has smoked him two covers in a row.

[Captain Jim]

My IC collection is definitely going to have all Perez covers.

[foxfire]

Lee needs to step up his game. Not that I can even draw at all, but Perez has smoked him two covers in a row.
I don't know why, but for some reason I think Lee is going to blow us all away with one of his covers for Infinte Crisis. I mean, he has to...

[Lex]

I was really liking it until I saw the "Max shooting Beetle" scene as part of it. But other than that it's a cool cover.

[PatrickG]

I was about to get the Lee cover for #2 but this just takes the cake. I notice three rockets from Krypton. Power Girl's, Pre-Crisis Superman and Man of Steel Superman.

Huh. I guess Man of Steel vs. Birthright is going to get addressed by the end. I have a feeling that when the dust settles, neither may stand as the origin.

[The Mirrorball Man]

It's very detailed, grandiose, and also very stiff and old-fashioned. It's a standard George Perez cover, in my opinion.

[krammocon]

:D Now i'll definitely get both for IC#2. I loooved Lee's as well.

[PatrickG]

BTW, rundown of scenes:

Anti-Monitor's Quardian palace where Kara Zor-El died.

Uncle Sam.

Captain Atom.

Aquaman.

Shadow Demons.

Psycho Pirate.

Legion clubhouse.

Arion.

Death of Jason Todd.

Omac.

Space.

Planet. (Looks VERY familiar.)

Anti-Monitor.

Martian Manhunter.

(Back to the left.)

Pariah.

Ralph and Sue Dibny.

Power Girl's rocket.

Harbinger and Monitor.

Can't tell.

Power Girl, Pre-Crisis.

Pre-Crisis Superman's ship escaping Krypton.

An earth being destroyed by the Anti-Monitor.

Death of Supergirl.

First meeting between Barry Allen and Jay Garrick, Pre-Crisis.

Dr. Light, all savage.

Psycho Pirate.

Byrne Superman's ship escaping Krypton.

Nightwing, circa 1985.

(Back to left)

JLA/JSA, first meeting.

Pre-Crisis Battle Armor Lex (the armor is different).

The creation of the Universe.

Captain Marvel.

Darkseid.

Earth-3 Crime Syndicate.

Death of Barry Allen.

Blue Beetle's death.

Parallax.

Zatanna.

Death of Superman.

Guy Gardner GL.

Earth-2 Superman and Lois and Earth-Prime Superboy on their way to paradise.

Brainwashed Superboy from when he attacked the Titans.

Lady Quark.

Phantom Stranger.

Wonder Woman facing Artemis.

Bane breaks Batman.

Monitor's Satellite.

Gentleman Ghost.

Wonder Woman kills Maxwell Lord.

THERE!

[Paul Newell]

Space.

It looks like there's something happening in there...It's too blurry, though.

EDIT: I think it might be the Monitor's satellite.
Planet. (Looks VERY familiar.)

Oa

Power Girl's rocket.

Everyone keeps saying that....But I thought it was the "Birthright Origin" rocket.

Can't tell.

Deathstroke.

[Arkham Resident]

O ohh.. Sorry, Lee. It's 2-0 for me.

I'll get the Perez cover again for IC#2. It's just too grandiose to ignore. :rolleyes:

[Paul Newell]

Power Girl, Pre-Crisis.

Hah! I just noticed who the person is in that panel! Legion fans take note! :D

[PatrickG]

Everyone keeps saying that....But I thought it was the "Birthright Origin" rocket.


I can say that the left-most rocket in no way resembles the Birthright rocket which is a forcefield with a propulsion system behind it.

http://img215.exs.cx/img215/8002/birthright30ke.jpg

http://superman.ws/tales2/birthright/1.jpg

The middle one is definitely the Silver Age/Bronze Age rocket, as depicted in the 70s:

http://superman.ws/origin/01.jpg

I'm guessing the one at left is the Earth-2 Superman's rocket. Definitely not Birthright Superman's or Power Girl's. Looks closer to the Weisinger model honestly than anything that appeared in the 40s.

[ForEverAncien]

And I heard that George wanted to retired from drawing the long johns bit...heh.

I guess he couldn't resist the lure... :D

This will be fine way to cap his ending journey. :)

[Apathy Boy]

Very nice. I thought Perez's cover for the first issue was awful - just too much crammed in there willy-nilly - but this one does a much nicer job of providing a lot of detail in a more coherent manner.

Jim Lee's cover to #2 was much better before the addition of the four COIE characters. They look a little awkward there.

[Guts/Batman]

Gotta love it...

[Paul Newell]

I'm guessing the one at left is the Earth-2 Superman's rocket. Definitely not Birthright Superman's or Power Girl's. Looks closer to the Weisinger model honestly than anything that appeared in the 40s.

Thanks for that Patrick, I think you're right.

[Phoney Bone]

Hah! I just noticed who the person is in that panel! Legion fans take note! :D

That's really wild, man. I'm all fired up for this!

;)

[Shellhead]

The Perez cover is very good, but I was distracted by Power Girl's wide butt and meaty thighs. That outfit apparently makes her look fat.

[JeffreyWKramer]

The Perez cover is very good, but I was distracted by Power Girl's wide butt and meaty thighs. That outfit apparently makes her look fat.

Wide butt? You must have an attraction to seriously anorexic women. Beware that, as it increases the chance the gals you will end up with will be seriously unstable and irrational.

[davros42]

This is a beautiful cover and all... I love all the different moments, some interesting choices in there. And I'll probably be picking it up over Lee's.

...but once they finish slapping the Infinite Crisis Logo, the DC "bullet", the UPC, and whatever other pointless cover blurbs they're going to include on it, you're not gonna see half the shards!

It'd be nice to see this one go out "textless", maybe slide the UPC and all the other necessary indicia to the back cover. But I think that's a pipe dream.

[Phoney Bone]

Wide butt? You must have an attraction to seriously anorexic women. Beware that, as it increases the chance the gals you will end up with will be seriously unstable and irrational.

God forbid there are female characters in comics that are drawn as female and not bullimic yardsticks with implants. :)




So... Jeffrey... do the Perez covers, the Wolfman chat and assuances by Waid and Morrison give you any hope that Infinite Crisis may not be so bad when all is said and done? Have any of the creative forces behind this event swayed your opinion even the slightest? Just wondering, because I respect your opinions regarding Infinite Crisis (even if I disagree with many).

[Guts/Batman]

The Lee cover for #2 is just too pain for me...

Unless it was changed.

[Jeff O.]

I'm guessing the one at left is the Earth-2 Superman's rocket. Definitely not Birthright Superman's or Power Girl's. Looks closer to the Weisinger model honestly than anything that appeared in the 40s.

Yes, it's the rocket of the Golden Age/Earth-Two Superman. It's the way Joe Shuster drew it, especially in SUPERMAN (first series) # 1 (1939).

http://superman.ws/tales2/twopageorigin/1.gif

[AlterEgo]

Lee needs to step up his game. Not that I can even draw at all, but Perez has smoked him two covers in a row.

i dunno...i prefered lee's cover over perez's on IC#1...mainly because of how he drew and positioned diana. :) your eyes naturally focused on her. 'bout time too! she's taken a backseat to the other two for too long.

[Murrocko]

I'm going with the Lee cover, I'm just not an old enough DC fan to understand or appreciate the all those events going on in the Perez cover and I just like Lee art a little more. Don't kill me.

[The Wayner]

That's a GREAT cover!

But, I'll be sticking with Lee...

[Windbreaker]

The Perez cover is very good, but I was distracted by Power Girl's wide butt and meaty thighs. That outfit apparently makes her look fat.

Power Thighs, no doubt. But given the distinct pirate look (at least from behind), I half expected to see an image of Captain Jack Sparrow.

[BruceWayneSA]

Score is 1-1 in my house.

I liked Lee's #1 better, but Perez is unbeatable on #2. Is this a best of 7?

[caboose]

I feel Perez bested Lee on Cover #1 simply because Lee's cover focuses far too much on the big three. While Perez's cover also has the Trinity as the central focus, the other stuff going on in the cover helped to get home the idea that the Crisis was critical for everyone and everything in the DCU. It also had a far more apocalyptic feel to it which is what IC is meant to threaten.

[JeffreyWKramer]

So... Jeffrey... do the Perez covers, the Wolfman chat and assuances by Waid and Morrison give you any hope that Infinite Crisis may not be so bad when all is said and done? Have any of the creative forces behind this event swayed your opinion even the slightest? Just wondering, because I respect your opinions regarding Infinite Crisis (even if I disagree with many).
Covers are nice, but what happens in the book is more important. We've all seen good books with lame covers, and crap books with great covers. I do like these Perez covers, though. Perez isn't my favorite artist by any means, but the man can do fantastic covers, and they beat the Lee ones all to hell on every level.

I haven't read the Wolfman chat, so no opinion there, but we do know Wolfman is sort of latecomer into things IC, and not one of the primary shapers. The Waid and Morrison stuff, it sounds good, but then Rucka and DiDio say things which contrast sharply with Waid and Morrison's statements. That newspaper article a couple weeks back, for example. So, since I don't think Waid or Morrison are being dishonest in expressing their POV, but since those other statements don't really jibe well with what Waid and Morrison say, I think it's just something where we'll have to wait and see what the result is.

In some ways, it may not be so much a matter of whether IC is itself any good, but whether it really does set the stage for what comes after to be better than what has been coming recently. Then there's also waiting and seeing what actually gets done with what is set up by IC. They could have done a lot of things after the original CRISIS, but what they *did* do was this new, edgy, annoying Jason Todd, "Death in the Family", the catastrophic continuity problems of relaunching Hawkman, etc. A good set-up is just that - it sets the stage, but one can still end up with a good production, or a disaster. Tim Burton set the stage well for a Batman franchise, but then he did the second movie, and look what happened from there.

So, again, wait and see. I'd rather have better books now, of course, so "wait and see" isn't any more thrilling to me than it has been for the past year or so, but who knows what time will bring.

[Heraclevs]

Look at the part where the pre-Crisis Power Girl is flying towards the reader. There's a partially obscured character in that part that looks a lot like Wildfire from the LSH. If so, this is probably a look back at the JLA/JSA "Crisis in the 30th Century" story from JLA #'s 147-148, which teamed them up with the Legion to battle Mordu, and then the Demons 3. Excellent story from the mid-to-late 70's.

Oh, and as far as "fat butt and legs" are concerned; I have been a fan of George's since his early Avengers days. In most of his art, George clearly has a fondness for voluptuous women :D . If you ask me, his rendition of Power Girl's <ahem> posterior and legs are more ont he thinner side than what I am accustomed to seeing from him.




Romans 9

[Babylon23]

I'm finding the Perez covers more appealing. Lee's covers are more along the lines of basic "iconic" imagery, heroes standing in heroic poses. Perez's cover are more action oriented, showing potential scenes from the issues themselves.

[foxfire]

I know what Perez's cover to Infinite Crisis #7 is going to be! You guys really want to hear? Ok... Perez is drawing EVERY SINGLE character, place, and object that has EVER appeared in DC comics! Yes, everything from Superman to that random thug Batman beat up in Detective Comics #463, all in one cover.

Hey, if any one could do it, it would be Perez :D

[Guts/Batman]

Hey, if any one could do it, it would be Perez :D

Yep. Just look at the cover of JLAvengers #3.

[Phoney Bone]

[His responce]

I understand your reservations.

While there has been some stinkers here and there leading up to Infinite Crisis, I believe that the darker stories at DC have been very well done. And it has suprised me at how well they have been! I'm not a huge fan of darker books outside of 70's Marvel and DC comics at all (if those can even be considered "dark" compared and contrasted with the Dark Knight and Watchmen imitators). That has what hooked me. i never thought I'd like a darker book at all.

These daker-toned books have been dropping several clues about things in the DCU being wrong... things that need to be set right. Why would the writers, through the characters, keep throwing those bits out if the end result wouldn't be a more heroic DCU?


Of course, I've been disappointed by comic books before... so I am bracing myself. :)

Yet, I honestly cannot remember a time when I was more excited about the future of the DCU.

[Phoney Bone]

Yep. Just look at the cover of JLAvengers #3.

And it gave him carpal tunnel!

I love Perez, too. But, dad gum, let's keep him around for awhile and not kill 'im!

:D

[Guts/Batman]

I understand your reservations.

While there has been some stinkers here and there leading up to Infinite Crisis, I believe that the darker stories at DC have been very well done.

I am a fan of dark stories (Berserk and Hellsing are my favorite comics bar none) but...there is something about this.

The whole theme (heroes failing to be a hero) is slowly getting on my nerves. Plus, some to a lot of it is just characters just acting like jerks for the sake of acting like jerks.

It's just so... ...contrived.

If DC wasn't so hell bent on heroes failing to be heroes, I would like it the theme better.

[JeffreyWKramer]

I understand your reservations.

While there has been some stinkers here and there leading up to Infinite Crisis, I believe that the darker stories at DC have been very well done. And it has suprised me at how well they have been! I'm not a huge fan of darker books outside of 70's Marvel and DC comics at all (if those can even be considered "dark" compared and contrasted with the Dark Knight and Watchmen imitators). That has what hooked me. i never thought I'd like a darker book at all.

These daker-toned books have been dropping several clues about things in the DCU being wrong... things that need to be set right. Why would the writers, through the characters, keep throwing those bits out if the end result wouldn't be a more heroic DCU?


Of course, I've been disappointed by comic books before... so I am bracing myself. :)

Yet, I honestly cannot remember a time when I was more excited about the future of the DCU.

I don't mind the DCU having some dark places. Gotham and Hub City can't be like Metropolis or Star City and have Batman or the Question be interesting at all. Moore's SWAMP THING, and the original stories by Wein and Wrightson, stand among the very best comics DC has ever done. What I mind is the core, iconic characters being portrayed as essentially unheroic, and the darkness leaking over into places where it really doesn't fit the tone of the characters - and then taking up more or less permanent residence there. And that's what happened to the post-CRISIS DCU, starting with "Death in te Family" and intensifying in waves during the 1990s until now.

I think GREEN LANTERN, for example, was a character very damaged by darkening things. The pointless murder of Katma Tui, all the backstory retconning of Hal Jordan in EMERALD DAWN, the brutality of "Emerald Twilight", Kyle's girlfriend being brutally murdered and stuffed in a fridge - none of those things really added anything positive. Someone wants to do stories with deeper, more mature themes in a Green Lantern book? Then I'd recommend GL: MOSAIC, which is still more cutting-edge in many ways than 99% of what DC has published since that time. And that book was daringly mature without rapes and torture of teenagers or anything like that. Musings on race and culture and violence - stuff like the "Malcolm-X Men" - stuff that makes one think, as opposed to the cheap sensationalism of Dr. Light being reframed into a rapist who was mind-raped by the JLA.

The devolution of Batman into paranoid, obsessive Bat-dickery, or the reframing of Oliver Queen into a compulsive lethario who can't keep his pants up, also didn't add much to the DCU. In the past couple few years, it just got worse and worse, and then stuff like GRADUATION DAY and IDENTITY CRISIS opened the floodgates. So now, in launching this big "event" to supposedly correct all this stuff, the writers have the heroes commenting on how bad things have gotten. This self-referential claptrap doesn't please me, either. Sure, I'd like the DCU to become a more heroic place, but I'd much rather the heroes had always stayed heroic in the first place. And now the fans should praise the writers who are responsible for things getting so bad in the first place? That's sort of like praising mob dons who make money off prostitution and the drug trade and extortion, then give a donation so the local church can buy choir robes.

Like I said, I'll wait and see how things turn out. I'll be looking closely at the tone of 52 to see whether this new DCU is going to be a place that will interest me. Hopefully it will be something more akin to SEVEN SOLDIERS or JUSTICE than OMAC PROJECT.

[JeffreyWKramer]

The whole theme (heroes failing to be a hero) is slowly getting on my nerves. Plus, some to a lot of it is just characters just acting like jerks for the sake of acting like jerks.

It's just so... ...contrived.

If DC wasn't so hell bent on heroes failing to be heroes, I would like it the theme better.
Yes. The folk behind this got together, said "Okay, things are so bad... so let's make it worse, make it all fall apart, then put it back together. Very, very contrived.

[Just_A_Rat]

Anyone have any insight into why the Gentleman Ghost would be on that cover? It covers some of the huge milestones in DC history, as well as covering some of their time travel characters (including Captain Atom in that category) and "I appear when there is a crisis" characters (Pariah and Phantom Stranger) but I see no reason for the presence of the Gentleman Ghost. Anyone able to tie him in in some way that I can't, or should I just wait and see if there is something in the issue, or in subsequent ones?

[clarkstark]

Holy eye-strain Batman!!

Seriously though, WOW what a cover!!! Mr. Perez, you da man!!!

[trickster]

Holy eye-strain Batman!!

Seriously though, WOW what a cover!!! Mr. Perez, you da man!!!

"Holy eye-strain" is right. I like the Jim Lee versions for this issue better. Besides PowerGirl is sure to be a bigger draw for the casual reader. :D

[Jolly Mon]

I just took another look at Perez's cover for IC #2 under magnification. Look at the narrow slice between the OMAC eye and Oa in the upper right hand corner. What people thought to be generic "space", looks a whole lot like Atom during his "Sword of the Atom" days. His head (with distinctive mask modification), chest, right arm are visible as well as his necklace and loincloth. Perhaps this means the Atom still has a role to play....

[JeffreyWKramer]

Anyone have any insight into why the Gentleman Ghost would be on that cover?

My guess? Perez likes the character.

[Just_A_Rat]

My guess? Perez likes the character.

Yeah, I thought that was a possibility, but it just seems like not too many of the other images on there are "random" at all. In fact, many of them represent some of the more significant failures on the part of the heroes. Batman losing Robin and having his back broken, Superman losing Supergirl, Wonder Woman killing Max, and the period when she lost the right to be Wonder Woman. Of course, that isn't true of all the characters, so it could just be that simple.

[PatrickG]

This may seem obvious...

But I think all of those events will turn out to be connected.

[AlterEgo]

before we give the vote to perez on IC #2, does anyone have a link to lee's final version of #2?

dc released an unfinished version of lee's cover to all the usual press channels, ie. lee's cover is not just a depiction of power girl.

[foxfire]

Here we go... get ready for lots of blue lines.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/ssoman/wizarduniverse_1869_93616131.jpg

The question remains... Power Girl's front or back? :D

[Heraclevs]

I like Perez's better.

One thing bothers me about the Jim Lee cover. Superboy looks too old, and Superman & Lois look too young. They're well-drawn, it just seems like their repective age ranges aren't accurate.

George, of course, has drawn these characters to look their ages. If anyone has a copy of the "Who's Who" from 1985 or 1986 that featured the Superman Family of Characters, John Byrne also did a good job of showing the age of the characters on the cover of the book.



Romans 9

[Guts/Batman]

Still getting Perez...

The final Jim Lee lacks the...immensity of what's going on.