INFINITE CRISIS: The Covers *SPOILERS*

[Sean Walsh]

The final Jim Lee lacks the...immensity of what's going on.

Jesus, how big do you want those things to be?!?!?!?!?!?





Oh wait! You're talking about the immensity of the Crisis event!

;) :p

[foxfire]

Jesus, how big do you want those things to be?!?!?!?!?!?


I dont know whats funnier, what you just said or the quote on your sig...

[Phoney Bone]

Anyone have any insight into why the Gentleman Ghost would be on that cover? It covers some of the huge milestones in DC history...

Maybe because Gentleman Ghost (as Gentleman Jim) was the first DC comics villain to make the crossover to the Superfriends Saturday morning cartoon. that's some sort of milestone, ain't it?

:D

[hangmanjury]

Re: Jim Lee's cover

It has power. A primal power that I think even George's cover lacks.

But here's my gripe, and this isn't limited to Jim Lee - this pretty much encompasses the whole comics industry with few notable exceptions, like Tom Grummett - comics artists seem to be unable to draw teenagers. They more often than not tend to look like really small adults.

But yeah, Jim's has power.

But I'm still getting George's.

[PatrickG]

If they fix Jim's Kal-L S-shield, I MAY get both just to have a Jim Lee drawing of Kal-L. But if they don't fix the S-shield, sorry. The novelty of the cover, for me, rests on E-2 Superman being drawn by Jim Lee and if it looks just like "For Tomorrow" Superman, I've got twelve issues of that.

I love Jim Lee's art but I'm going with Perez covers to match my Crisis collection.

If any Jim Lee covers really grab me, I'll get both.

It sounds odd to some people, especially since I'm not a speculator, but I'll pay $3 for a cool variant cover sometimes if the art grabs me.

It's not that I have that much cash to burn but I've accidentally picked up two of the same issue a lot thanks to "iconic" covers and so I decided if it happens accidentally, I might as well do it on purpose when variant covers are cool and distinct.

[Apathy Boy]

The question remains... Power Girl's front or back? :DTo make that a fair question, Power Girl would need to put a peephole on her butt, too.

[Guts/Batman]

Re: Jim Lee's cover

It has power. A primal power that I think even George's cover lacks.

But here's my gripe, and this isn't limited to Jim Lee - this pretty much encompasses the whole comics industry with few notable exceptions, like Tom Grummett - comics artists seem to be unable to draw teenagers. They more often than not tend to look like really small adults.

But yeah, Jim's has power.

But I'm still getting George's.

Agreed. Liefield's Teen Titans looked nothing like teenagers.

I got Perez's #1. I'm pretty sure I will be sticking with Perez's covers.

[Guts/Batman]

Jesus, how big do you want those things to be?!?!?!?!?!?

Oh wait! You're talking about the immensity of the Crisis event!

;) :p

I think they're fine as they are... ;) :D

Yea...Could be me but Jim Lee's final doesn't seem right with Alex, Golden age Superman, etc on the cover. I'm not feeling the connection between them (Yes, I have read JSA: Classified #4)

[Buried Alien]

Jim Lee is as well-regarded as George Perez is for his ability to illustrate characters, but Perez's ability to do awesome *backgrounds* as well as characters sets him apart. Great background art seems to be a lost skill among the current generation of comic book artists.


Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[Kid Kamikaze10]

I think they're fine as they are... ;) :D

Yea...Could be me but Jim Lee's final doesn't seem right with Alex, Golden age Superman, etc on the cover. I'm not feeling the connection between them (Yes, I have read JSA: Classified #4)

They've probably known each other for twenty years.
;)


But I don't see it either.

[Choppa]

Man, does this mean that some of those events are going to be undone?

[Patience]

I'll be getting the Perez cover. Most definately. Too many goodies.

Plus, I think there might be some clues in there. Look carefully at the Parallax image. Now, Perez is known for his ability to draw many characters and make them each distinguishable. Thanks to JLA/Avengers, I have examples of him drawing both Kyle Rayner and Hal Jordan (With and without the gray streaks!). His Kyle has wild jet black hair that sticks directly up in front and diagonally upward on the sides; a square hairline; and a babyface (rounded chin, fatter cheeks, short overall face), similar to a teenage hero like Tim Drake. His Hal tends to ave a widow's peak; smooth brown hair that lies flat over his head and flops over the right side of his forehead; and a face at least 10 years older than Kyle (chiseled cheeks, angular chin, longer overall face).

Now, this particular image of Parallax has a square hairline, jet black hair that sticks directly up in front and diagonally on the sides, and a babyface (rounded chin, fat cheeks!). I think that shard is portraying Kyle as Parallax.

Man, does this mean that some of those events are going to be undone?

Probably. Geoff Johns is heir to the Retcon Throne (Previously occupied by Roy Thomas, then James Robinson).

[Devan74]

Uh, why would Kyle be Parallax? I think you are misreading the picture because it depicts him at an odd angle.

[jadegiant77]

who's that blonde Wonder Woman in the lower right hand corner?

[DDM]

who's that blonde Wonder Woman in the lower right hand corner?

I believe she is Artemis, who became Wonder Woman, for a short time.

[Guts/Batman]

I believe she is Artemis, who became Wonder Woman, for a short time.

That's what I was thinking...

[jadegiant77]

ahh..musta been a mis-color. I will probably but this cover. my comic store usually charges $15 dollars on the day a variant comes out, so i will probly check another store.

[Patience]

Uh, why would Kyle be Parallax? I think you are misreading the picture because it depicts him at an odd angle.

It's possible, but the more I look at it the more it looks like Kyle. Any other artist, I'd say it was a mistake, but this is George Perez we're talking about here.

And Geoff Johns did ope up the option of Parallax possession to just about any Green Lantern. I'm wondering if she's viewing one of the few alternate timelines, or something freaky in the future here.

[Buried Alien]

Everything seen in that image has happened some time in DC history...either Pre-COIE or Post-COIE. Kyle, however, has never been Parallax...unless you count that one time when he and Hal switched lives briefly.


Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[Yoda]

ahh..musta been a mis-color. I will probably but this cover. my comic store usually charges $15 dollars on the day a variant comes out, so i will probly check another store.
These aren't really variants like the House of M covers. They are a 50/50 split as opposed to a 1 in 20 or something. If someone's charging $15 for IC covers they are ripping people off.

[Patience]

Everything seen in that image has happened some time in DC history...either Pre-COIE or Post-COIE. Kyle, however, has never been Parallax...unless you count that one time when he and Hal switched lives briefly.


Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

Not to dispute the finality of your tone here, but that is exactly what's worrying me here. I'm probably being overly paranoid, I know, and I noticed that little detail when I had been up late at night after a visit from my excruciatingly conservative mother (don't get me wrong, I love her, but I just can't live with her!), which always puts me on edge, but the more I look, the more it looks like Perez's Kyle rather than Perez's Hal. Which worries me a bit.

But maybe that time he and Hal switched lives is more important than we thought...

To the back issue bin!

[cmndob]

Now, this particular image of Parallax has a square hairline, jet black hair that sticks directly up in front and diagonally on the sides, and a babyface (rounded chin, fat cheeks!). I think that shard is portraying Kyle as Parallax.

I won't lie that's EXACTLY what I thought. And frankly, a miscolor would NOT make the distinction this clear on a Perez cover. He takes covers too seriously. I don't know if it's supposed to be regarding that switch or a future thing but either way I'm saying guilty until proven innocent.

And as for the events, all the bad things that have gone on in the last 20 years, more or less, it looks to me like this entire post crisis time has been under the influence of darkness, one way or the other, and that will be the crux of the main villain, just as a moniter who watches and takes stock of everything was the the villain of the first crisis. If the Anti-Moniter, or Krona for that matter, was the foil of CoIE, in a way representing the confusing nature of the multiple earths, then maybe the dark atmosphere of the DCU will be similarly mirrored.

Or maybe it's 4 in the morning

[Kevinroc]

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Feb06/DCU/InfiniteCrisisCv5Perez.jpg

INFINITE CRISIS #5
Written by Geoff Johns
Art by Phil Jimenez & Andy Lanning
Covers by Jim Lee & Sandra Hope and George Pérez
The DCU shakes apart as Superman of Earth 2 finally confronts our Superman. Meanwhile, heroes are disappearing throughout the DC Universe, a transformed villain returns, and the mystics of every world and dimension seek help from the very Spirit that is destroying them.

DC Feb. solicit info:

http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/news/113177745735309.htm

Only three titles (Batman: Gotham Knights, Gotham Central and Wonder Woman) are solicited as Final Issue. It seems that some titles are the final issue but aren't solicited as such. And some titles just aren't solicted here at all (such as Flash).

[hangmanjury]

More indication that E2 Superman is the villain of the piece? I'm trying very hard to think the whole thing is a tease, but this isn't really helping...

Beautiful cover though.

[ScottDMSimmons]

Hmmm.... "our" Superman.
Maybe to some people that is the Earth-2 Superman.

Oh well, GREAT cover! Love it.

--Scott

[jgphenom]

Whoa! Notice the 2 Earths in the background and check out the solicitation for Legion of Super-Heroes #15:

LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES #15
Written by Stuart Moore & Mark Waid
Art by Patrick Olliffe and Barry Kitson
Cover by Kitson
It's the Legion of Super-Heroes you thought you’d never see, as the greatest heroes of the 31st century become the greatest heroes of the Multiverse! Plus, the return of the ever-popular “Letters to o the Legion!"
On sale Feb 22 • 40 pg, FC, $2.99US

Well, boys and girls, I guess the multiverse is coming back. At the very least for the duration of IC if not longer...

[cousindick]

Hmmm.... "our" Superman.
Maybe to some people that is the Earth-2 Superman.

Oh well, GREAT cover! Love it.

--Scott

Hot Dang, you hit the nail on the head fella! I'm rootin' for Superman I, the first and only, in this slugfest!

[superlurker]

There was this weird 'two people in the same place' effect when Power Girl and Supergirl got too close to one another, which IIRC made them fight. It wouldn't be illogical if the same effect is in play here. Maybe if the multiverse is restored in some form, it'll be harder to cross over if that effect remains.

The main three Superman titles for the month are all about Earth-2 Superman, it would seem. The solicit for Action in particular contained a line that seems somewhat curious.

ACTION COMICS #836
Written by Joe Kelly
Art by Ed Benes and Dan Jurgens
Cover by Mark Schultz
Part 2 of the 3-part “This Is Your Life, Superman!” Superman
is caught by the one person he can’t defeat: Lois Lane! Witness the undying love story of the greatest couple of Earth-2, and how their love could bring about the end of the universe.

[Choppa]

Stupid question, but what about the solicitations for IC 3 and 4? Did I miss those?

[Kevinroc]

Stupid question, but what about the solicitations for IC 3 and 4? Did I miss those?

Yeah, but you can get that info still.


INFINITE CRISIS #3 (OF 7)

Written by Geoff Johns; Art by Phil Jimenez and Andy Lanning; Covers by Jim Lee & Sandra Hope and George Pérez

War is brought home as Wonder Woman leads the Amazons in a struggle to maintain their control of Paradise Island in the face of a full-on OMAC onslaught — just as the Spectre turns his vengeful eye toward Atlantis! And as the DCU is plunged into chaos, Batman is offered one last chance at the life he's always wanted…but at what price?


INFINITE CRISIS #4 (OF 7)

Written by Geoff Johns; Art by Phil Jimenez and Andy Lanning, George Pérez and Jerry Ordway; Covers by Jim Lee and Sandra Hope

The Crisis continues to explode across the DCU as a great power is unleashed. But whose side is it on? Witness a shocking confrontation between Batman and Nightwing, a vicious battle that threatens to tear the heroes of the DCU further apart, and a startling change to the recently deceased. Plus, guest appearances by more characters than we can list!

[Choppa]

^Thank you.

[PatrickG]

Here's my CRAZY thought.

Everybody at DC is pushing the idea that being a hero means sacrifice. "Sacrifice" was the title of a story that led up to all this.

So it hit me... This is basically a Bizarro version of ACTION COMICS #775 which preached that some sacrifices are NOT worth making.

Furthermore, DC Comics plays out like a Bizarro Bible.

Pre-Crisis, the heroes were about redemption. They were the kinder, gentler breed and while they could show anger, they were about sharing parables and inspiring.

Post-Crisis, heroism synchs up with the Old Testament concepts of judgment and constant sacrifice.

And this story pits the two against eachother.

Earth-2 Superman is not the "villain" nor are the modern heroes. The truth is more "grey" and each have a valid viewpoint that the audience can invest their emotions in; I think this will become more clear in the coming months.

The problem is that the more Kal-L pushes for a single act that will redeem the universe, the more this will intensify the modern heroes' tendancy towards sacrifice.

Kal-L will push for a cure-all solution and the post-Crisis heroes will sacrifice their principles to stop him. The more he pushes for a "fix everything" solution, the more they see him as the enemy. And the more they sacrifice, the more he sees them as corrupt and degenerate.

And both sides will have valid points.

I suddenly envision DCU heroes engaging in killing and allying themselves with murderers to stop Kal-L. Perhaps a Green Lantern merges with the yellow impurity to become Parallax in order to stop Kal-L or Wonder Woman goes on a bloody rampage, killing civilians in the crossfire with little remorse.

I think we may hit a point of no-return where neither Kal-L nor the post-Crisis heroes will have any objective moral claim to being heroes and once we hit that point of no return, it will be clear that neither Earth-2 not the current DCU can be the universe that we're left with after this Crisis.

But there can be no easy reconcilliation and even if the heroes defeat Kal-L, they may discover that he was right all along, placing him at the center of a "unifying event" that rallies the heroes together to fix the universe...

#4 or #5 is supposed to have a "unifying event" after all and what strikes me is that this "unifying event" will either have to be the heroes and villains joining together against Kal-L OR the heroes and Kal-L unifying in pursuit of an objective.

[Firestorm23]

i was wondering if anyone noes where i can see ic 4 lee and hope...

[Jason H]

Towards the bottom of the page. Click on the pic of Batman in front of the computer screens.

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/InfiniteCrisis/CrisisCOunseling02.htm

[Lex]

That's the cover for #3. He was asking for the Lee cover for #4. I don't think it's been released yet. It probably gives away too many details about the plot so they're holding off on showing it until IC #3 comes out.

[Jason H]

oops. my bad. :cool:

[Super Monkey]

I hope that the real Superman doesn't turn out to be the villain. Who are we suppose to be cheering here? The original take no shit from nobody super heroic Superman or the whiny, pathetic, wimpy, only impressed people when he was dead new age pussiflied superman?

Maybe he is just trying to knock some sense into loser so that he will finally stop embarrassing his former namesakes and start acting like a real hero.

[Jeff O.]

Thanks for the link, Kevinroc! The way Kal-El has been smacked and sent hurling reminds me a bit of the way Thor's hammer smacked him and sent him hurling in JLA/AVENGERS No. 1.

JLA/AVENGERS [JLA/DIE RÄCHER # 2 (Panini Points Variant) (Germany)] [george-perez.com]

http://vu.morrissey-solo.com/moz/perez/cv/jla-racher2b.jpg http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Feb06/DCU/IC5_t.jpg

[INFINITE CRISIS # 5] [Newsarama.com]



WILD SPECULATION ON MY PART:



Maybe Kal-El refuses to turn over Supergirl when other heroes suspect her of being the Anti-Monitor's new "Dark Angel" or something, and that is why Kal-L confronts him.






END OF SPECULATION...FOR NOW.

[LordEd1976]

Tried the link but it didn't work. Tried searching silverbullet but came up empty. PLEASE HELP

[Guts/Batman]

Is that the Perez cover?

Anywho...Interesting cover. Will depend on the stuff in #3 and #4 obviously?

I bet that E2 Superman will tell Superman what's wrong with him and the pompous, self righteous Kal-El will say it is not true and it just goes from bad to worse...

Or somehow we get some explanation of how Silver Age Superman became Kal-
El.

[Guts/Batman]

Interesting interview. Some disturbing news for me as a fan personally...

[Absalom]

Originally posted by Guts/Batman

Interesting interview. Some disturbing news for me as a fan personally...
"Disturbing" isn't quite the word I'd use here. I prefer "enraging". Heck, just look at what he says...
DD: We have a loose timeline that reflects the order of key events in the DCU. Actually, I have a large whiteboard in my office that breaks down what’s planned month by month. But for the individual characters and the order of their appearances, the “who was where when”, well, I leave that up the fans to create that timeline. Might sound like a cop-out, but I think that the fun of fandom.
"Fun of the fandom"... ?!? :mad:

"FUN" ?!? :evilangry

Does he really think it's "fun" for us to break our heads here, trying to figure out what happened where and when -- just because he was too lazy to come up with a coherent and coesive saga, but wasn't too lazy to plan on a crapload number of build-up issues -- at the risk of we not understanding the story we're paying to read ? Does he really think the fans like having to do that ?

[Guts/Batman]

Ok...I officially change my stance to "outraged."

I didn't read it too indepth but that is just...here I am racking my brain over Hawkman #46 and he says that. No wonder the issue doesn't make sense.

If he doesn't care enough to do the adding up of the plot elements, he expects us to do it for him?!?

No wonder we have Batman showing up everywhere without explanation of where it fits into his overall continuity. He's not keeping track of it himself. He thinks that's the fun!!!

No wonder why we have Nightwing's continuity utterly screwed up. No wonder we have no idea when Crisis of Conscience fits into Hawkman's continuity.

No wonder we have contradicting continuity. He's not thinking of it.

I know I was beating a dead horse there but...that just outrages me.

No DARKSEID!!! Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

And btw Didio, that is a copout.

[BruceWayneSA]

The younger Supes reminds me of Gil Kane's work.

That's a nice cover. Remind me again, how soon will Feb be here?

[Absalom]

The edge of Earth-2 Superman's sleeve... was it always like that ?

It makes it look like the shirt of his uniform is actually a sueter.

[Paul Newell]

Well you've expressed your outrage....Just keep it polite and cause no flamewars or anything. Thanks guys.

As the original question was answered, there's no further need for this thread.

[Patience]

All I know is that when I saw it I jumped in my seat and started screaming "Yes! YES!!! That's exactly what I wanna see!"

I can't wait. I don't care who's the villain, or even why they're fighting. It's just gonna be cool to see Classic Supes vs Modern Supes.

If only we could see the talking smack like pro-wrestlers, then it would be heaven!

[Jeff O.]

Tried the link but it didn't work. Tried searching silverbullet but came up empty. PLEASE HELP

The solicits were taken down. According to

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Feb06/DCFeb05Solicits.htm

they aren't supposed to be up until Monday. However, a poster at

http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/web/thread.jspa?threadID=2000050450&start=15&tstart=0

was able to post them on the DC Boards. Go down to the seventh post there (on Page 2).

Then, for more Solicits, it's continued in the sixth post on Page 3.

http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/web/thread.jspa?threadID=2000050450&start=30&tstart=0

[Buried Alien]

Alot of interesting things happening in Batman's corner of the universe too that month.

But back to Superman: I guess it had to come down to this, didn't it? Kal-L vs. Kal-El. They're going to throw down, but I doubt they'll end INFINITE CRISIS as enemies.


Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[jgphenom]

Interesting choices of color. Supes-2's suit looks darker than Supes-1's suit.

Help me out people, was golden age Superman's suit darker that the current Superman? If not, this could be representative of who's the bad guy in this cover. Maybe Perez drew him darker on purpose to show that he's the bad guy in this fight.

Hope not.

[Buried Alien]

Help me out people, was golden age Superman's suit darker that the current Superman?

No. If anything, both the Earth-1 and Earth-2 Pre-COIE Supermen had slightly lighter-colored costumes than the Post-COIE Superman. It was almost baby blue. :)



Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[jgphenom]

No. If anything, both the Earth-1 and Earth-2 Pre-COIE Supermen had slightly lighter-colored costumes than the Post-COIE Superman. It was almost baby blue. :)
Hmm... Supes-2's suit reminds me of when Superman was split into Superman and Clark Kent in Superman III.

The evil Superman had a darker colored suit...

[OPTIMUS_PRIMEversionKT]

:eek: I REALLY DONT LIKE THIS COVER BCOZ SUPES2 IS MY REAL SUPES.BY THE WAY WHERE IS JIM LEE'S COVER......ONE MORE THING FIRST POST :D

[Jeff O.]

Welcome to CBR, OPTIMUS_PRIMEversionKT!

[Guts/Batman]

And if you would refrain from using caps...

I like the cover but this worries me about the direction of the story...

[Buried Alien]

And if you would refrain from using caps...

I like the cover but this worries me about the direction of the story...

Don't worry. You know the axiom of crossovers:

Superheroes meet, have misunderstanding, and fight.

Superheroes find out they've been manipulated against each other by villain, reconcile, and go after the villain.

The combined effort of the superheroes defeats the villain. Everybody lives happily ever after (at least until the NEXT crossover). :)


Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[Guts/Batman]

That's true...

Especially given this particular crossover.

[Paradox]

Absalom notices the difference:

The edge of Earth-2 Superman's sleeve... was it always like that ?

It makes it look like the shirt of his uniform is actually a sueter.

Not always, but quite frequently...especially post-Silver Age.

[Buried Alien]

Thanks for the link, Kevinroc! The way Kal-El has been smacked and sent hurling reminds me a bit of the way Thor's hammer smacked him and sent him hurling in JLA/AVENGERS No. 1.

Not only that. Kal-L's punching pose on this cover is all but identical to how Kal-El hit Thor in JLA/AVENGERS # 2...that final punch that knocked Thor out cold.


Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[comicstar100]

I'm glad they altered kal-Ls suit for this, I remember in older stories before they gave him gray hair it was hard to tell him apart from earth one superman.

[Buried Alien]

I'm glad they altered kal-Ls suit for this, I remember in older stories before they gave him gray hair it was hard to tell him apart from earth one superman.

They were identical in every way in their first appearance together (the same issue of JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA in 1968 when Black Canary's husband Larry Lance was killed). Not only were they physically identical, but their powers were evenly matched as well.

DC didn't begin distinguishing Kal-L and Kal-El more clearly until the 1970s.


Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[Kevinroc]

Tried the link but it didn't work. Tried searching silverbullet but came up empty. PLEASE HELP

The info page was taken down since it wasn't supposed to be up until Monday.

[Bored at 3:00AM]

Oh, it's on.

Kick his pansy arse Kal-L.

[Modi]

I hope that the real Superman doesn't turn out to be the villain. Who are we suppose to be cheering here? The original take no shit from nobody super heroic Superman or the whiny, pathetic, wimpy, only impressed people when he was dead new age pussiflied superman?

Maybe he is just trying to knock some sense into loser so that he will finally stop embarrassing his former namesakes and start acting like a real hero.

i hope that's exactly what happens, the current superman has proven himslef next to useless in comparison to earth-2 superman.

[Pariah128]

Isnt Kal-L supposed to be a good deal stronger than current superman?

[PatrickG]

Isnt Kal-L supposed to be a good deal stronger than current superman?
His powers have fluctuated a lot, especially in fights.

But in terms of the feats they've pulled off and abilities they've shown, I'd give Kal-L an edge but not an insurmountable one, particularly if Kal-El has friends on his side.

[Absalom]

Originally Posted by Pariah128

Isnt Kal-L supposed to be a good deal stronger than current superman?
IIRC, in Superman/Batman #2, Kal-El fought a KC-like future version of himself, and in his little yellow box of thought, he mentioned how that guy was considerably stronger than him.

The older he gets, the more yellow sunlight radiation he absorbs. Specially if he spends years inactive.

If that "paradise" dimension Kal-L was in had a yellow sun, and if he didn't have much to do there... he's got craploads of energy stocked in his cells.

[ForEverAncien]

Ack, some of my titles are on the cancel block...oh well, time for storage.

[Exo]

Judging by the cover, seems like Kal-L is punching Supes into the "diamond" prison/dimension from whence he came.... I like it!

[Jeff O.]

They were identical in every way in their first appearance together (the same issue of JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA in 1968 when Black Canary's husband Larry Lance was killed). Not only were they physically identical, but their powers were evenly matched as well.

DC didn't begin distinguishing Kal-L and Kal-El more clearly until the 1970s.

For any dear reader who hasn't seen the following covers --

JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA No. 73 -- Kal-L's first Silver-Age Earth-Two cover and appearance, so to speak

http://www.comics.org/graphics/covers/1449/400/1449_4_073.jpg


JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA No. 74 -- Supermen battle cover

http://www.comics.org/graphics/covers/1449/400/1449_4_074.jpg


When that same confrontation was returned to on the cover of CRISIS ON MULTIPLE EARTHS Vol. 2, Kal-L was given graying temples to be more consistent with his 1970s and 1980s appearances, and to make it easier to distinguish the two Supermen on the new cover.

http://www.comics.org/graphics/covers/11339/400/11339_4_000.jpg


DC COMICS PRESENTS ANNUAL No. 1 -- A more "peaceful" cover, so to speak, between the Supermen, when Kal-L had an S-shield that was flat (not pointed) on the bottom.

http://www.comics.org/graphics/covers/2627/400/2627_4_1.jpg


THANK YOU, Comics.org !

[Rollo_Tomasi]

i love the cover, but I cant' wait to see what Jim Lee has in store for #5.

[Rollo_Tomasi]

Alot of interesting things happening in Batman's corner of the universe too that month.Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

I thought this solicit was especially interesting...

BATGIRL #73
Written by Andersen Gabrych
Art by Pop Mhan & Jesse Delperdang
Cover by Tim Sale
Life and death maintain a tenuous balance at the edge of the Lazarus Pit. A major character has died. Now a battle must be fought between two old foes?and only one will survive. We?re not giving away
any secrets, except to say that this is the end of Batgirl!
On sale Feb 15 ? 32 pg, FC, $2.50 US

[Nick Kal]

End of Batgirl, beginning of Batwoman.

[jgphenom]

End of Batgirl, beginning of Batwoman.
That's my guess. Don't think they're gonna kill Batgirl, just maybe promote her.

[Babylon23]

That is one impressive looking cover.

Let's hope E2 Supes lays the smackdown on Superwuss. Someone needs to knock some sense into today's heroes, and there's no better choice than the first and best.

[Mulett]

It is interesting that they have referred to Kal-L as the Earth-2 Superman, and the other as 'our Superman' rather than the Earth-1 Superman.

Surely, we can't possibly go back to a single Earth after this? Part of the multi-verse will have to be restored at least. Perhaps the five remaining Earths?

[glennsim]

It is interesting that they have referred to Kal-L as the Earth-2 Superman, and the other as 'our Superman' rather than the Earth-1 Superman.

Surely, we can't possibly go back to a single Earth after this? Part of the multi-verse will have to be restored at least. Perhaps the five remaining Earths?

I'm just thinking the memory that they had existed will be known.

[Mulett]

I'm just thinking the memory that they had existed will be known.

Makes me sad for Power Girl if that's the case :(

[Mulett]

I'm not sure who's cover this is (http://dccomics.com/media/covers/4698_400x600.jpg) - but is it my imagination, or does Jade look like she's about to be swallowed by (what I'm assuming is) an anti-matter cloud?

[LordEd1976]

1. I think the cover is done by Perez.

2. It sure does. That might not mean anything though.

However, with the exception of Supergirl, Guy Gardener, Kilowog, and Donna Troy, I'd say that there's a big chance any one of the guys on the cover could go cloud suffering, if you catch my drift.

[Tom]

I read on one of the news sites that this isn't the complete cover, which leads me to think that something or someone appears on the other side of that rift in the final version.

[Lex]

Ooooo, interesting. Maybe a figure appears in the rift and that person is the cause of it? Or maybe the rift is a portal to somewhere (one of the lost Earths from CoIE perhaps)?

[muimi]

I will be so pissed off if they brought back Supergirl only to have her disappear again.

[Patience]

I will be so pissed off if they brought back Supergirl only to have her disappear again.

Funny, that's precisely what I was hoping for...

[PatrickG]

I don't understand wishing any character dead.

If you don't like 'em, don't read 'em.

If the writer chooses to, they can ignore the character.

Oh! And check this out for comparison:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y201/LoIG_Starslash/comparison.jpg

[Guts/Batman]

I thought this solicit was especially interesting...

BATGIRL #73
Written by Andersen Gabrych
Art by Pop Mhan & Jesse Delperdang
Cover by Tim Sale
Life and death maintain a tenuous balance at the edge of the Lazarus Pit. A major character has died. Now a battle must be fought between two old foes?and only one will survive. We?re not giving away
any secrets, except to say that this is the end of Batgirl!
On sale Feb 15 ? 32 pg, FC, $2.50 US

Kaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn nnnnnnnnn

[Tetrachromatic]

Guys, this cover is more clever editing by DC - our Superman has one of those Starro things on his face in the final version, and E2 Supes saves him by knocking it off.

[bigman45]

are they going to come out with a INFINITE CRISIS book with all the storys put in to one ? :eek: are have they done it ?

[Guts/Batman]

There will eventually be a IC tpb and hardcover. But they already have the tpb for Identity Crisis, OMAC, and DoV out.

[Buried Alien]

Kaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn nnnnnnnnn

Jeanette Kahn doesn't work for DC Comics anymore. You have to take your grievances to Dan Didio and Paul Levitz now. :)


Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[glennsim]

Makes me sad for Power Girl if that's the case :(

Not sure why. Theoretically whatever happens will cause her to stop having "fake" origins and she'll just find a place in this new world, which when you consider the fact that she was an alien on Earth anyway, won't be too much of a stretch.

[Guts/Batman]

Jeanette Kahn doesn't work for DC Comics anymore. You have to take your grievances to Dan Didio and Paul Levitz now. :)


Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

You got me there, too... :p

[4DGlasses]

Guys, this cover is more clever editing by DC - our Superman has one of those Starro things on his face in the final version, and E2 Supes saves him by knocking it off.

BWAH HAHAHAHA!!!

Looks like earth 2's Kal is going to be taking over as the Man of Steel in the DCU for a bit.

[Buried Alien]

BWAH HAHAHAHA!!!

Looks like earth 2's Kal is going to be taking over as the Man of Steel in the DCU for a bit.

Interesting prospect, but if that happens, does it mean that the Byrne Superman is going to go into the paradise dimension for a while?


Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[hangmanjury]

Interesting prospect, but if that happens, does it mean that the Byrne Superman is going to go into the paradise dimension for a while?


Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)
"Crystal Heaven!" It's "Crystal Heaven", dammit! I said so!

[Babylon23]

I read on one of the news sites that this isn't the complete cover, which leads me to think that something or someone appears on the other side of that rift in the final version.

Originally, I thought it might be Earth-2 on the other side of the rift, and that the universe is changing to accomodate this. However, given the rift is in the centre of the universe, the logical choice would be Qward, the antimatter equivelant of Oa.

[hitokiri_]

Yeah, what's bumblebee doing there?


to die. what else?

[xnef1025]

According to this:

http://images.comicbookresources.com/solicits/dc022006/batman_superman/SupergirlCv6.jpg

Kara is doing the same thing to poor Kal-El's other cheek that month. Maybe this one happens first and Kal-L is just trying to make both sides of Clark's face match :p

[Guts/Batman]

Where's Hal Jordan when ya need him!!! :D

[Crimson Avenger]

Where's Hal Jordan when ya need him!!! :D

Punching out Batman. ;)

[Patience]

I don't understand wishing any character dead.

If you don't like 'em, don't read 'em.

If the writer chooses to, they can ignore the character.

I suppose it is a bit much to wish harm on a fictional character. But it's how I feel. I strongly dislike this version, in every appearance. Go Figure.
I figure it's because she's taking up an otherwise perfectly good name (Though I am indifferent to that), and good position (female cousin to Superman) I'm hoping for her to be replaced by Power Girl, who interests me far more. Right now, the indication is that only one can be around.

DC's legacy system encourages bloodlust, I suppose.


Oh! And check this out for comparison:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y201/LoIG_Starslash/comparison.jpg


Whoa, nice catch.

[Patience]

And then there's Wildcat going after Jay Garrick on the JSA: Classfied cover, while Wonder Woman takes a swing at Flash in JLA: Classified.

There is just a lot of hero-to-hero brawling going on this month!

[Buried Alien]

Kara is doing the same thing to poor Kal-El's other cheek that month. Maybe this one happens first and Kal-L is just trying to make both sides of Clark's face match :p

Ouch! February, 2006 is not going to be a good month to be the Post-COIE Superman. With fellow Kryptonians like these, Superman might begin to long for Doomsday! :)



Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[Mulett]

Not sure why. Theoretically whatever happens will cause her to stop having "fake" origins and she'll just find a place in this new world, which when you consider the fact that she was an alien on Earth anyway, won't be too much of a stretch.

I know what you mean, but it could actually make things even worse for her, knowing she was Superman's cousin but on this current Earth she isn't, and that her family (Clark and Lois) and her friends (Helena, Dick Grayson etc) never even existed.

She'll have to spend the rest of her life knowing that (on a single Earth) she isn't the real-deal, Supergirl is.

[4DGlasses]

Interesting prospect, but if that happens, does it mean that the Byrne Superman is going to go into the paradise dimension for a while?


Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

I think earth-2 Superman destroyed that paradise dimension when he broke through the dimensional barrier, didn't he?

[PatrickG]

Punching out Batman. ;)

I think you mean "kissing Batman".

http://images.comicbookresources.com/solicits/dc022006/dcu/GreenLanternCv9.jpg

[PatrickG]

Of course, Ollie is jealous when he finds out.

http://images.comicbookresources.com/solicits/dc022006/dcu/JLACv125.jpg

[PatrickG]

I think earth-2 Superman destroyed that paradise dimension when he broke through the dimensional barrier, didn't he?

Nah. But it was imploding already when he broke out.

It may or may not be there.

[PatrickG]

Ouch! February, 2006 is not going to be a good month to be the Post-COIE Superman. With fellow Kryptonians like these, Superman might begin to long for Doomsday! :)



Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

Doomsday was created on Krypton so...

[PatrickG]

Anybody else have a feeling that the background to Perez's IC #4 will look like COIE in the final version?

I analyzed the image and the use of black in space towards the middle doesn't seem consistent with the use of black in the character shadows.

[Melissa]

Isnt Kal-L supposed to be a good deal stronger than current superman?
Only the modern Superman has that 'post-crisis' reduced power level to worry about. The older Superman remains at pre-crisis power levels.

So yes, he should beat the tar out of the other guy.

[Bored at 3:00AM]

And homoerotic cover of the year goes to Hal vs. Bats. Open mouthed kisses galore.

Dick & Ollie should go at it just to get even with those two.

[Guts/Batman]

Of course, Ollie is jealous when he finds out.

And as a net result, I want Ollie dead so bad.

It seems like anyone off the street can beat Batman HTH. No matter how rediculous the scenario.

[Bored at 3:00AM]

And as a net result, I want Ollie dead so bad.

It seems like anyone off the street can beat Batman HTH. No matter how rediculous the scenario.

Ah, Batman is just letting everyone beat on him now. He's such a self-loathing loser now he actually want people to slap him around he's so ashamed of himself.

[Guts/Batman]

That makes the most sense...

I mean, I hope I'm not the only one who thought Jason stalemating Bruce in #635/#641 was freakin hilarious.

[glennsim]

I know what you mean, but it could actually make things even worse for her, knowing she was Superman's cousin but on this current Earth she isn't, and that her family (Clark and Lois) and her friends (Helena, Dick Grayson etc) never even existed.

She'll have to spend the rest of her life knowing that (on a single Earth) she isn't the real-deal, Supergirl is.

I'm thinking that she must have come to grips with the fact that wherever she came from, she can't go back there. So now it's just a matter of finding out where she came from. And now that she's done that, her life will be complete (at least in this category).

[Super Sonic]

Ok i'm sure you've all read #2 and seen the cover for #5, yes?(Infinite Crisis I mean of course)

Well here's the cover for #5


http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Feb06/DCU/InfiniteCrisisCv5Perez.jpg


Anyway, i am here to ask which Superman are we supposed to back?

Kal-L(Earth-2) or Kal-El (Earth-1)?

IC#2 was written mostly about Powergil and Earth-2 Superman(booooring), and Kal-L said the now infamous line "we saved the wrong earth".

This,and many other things he said throughout the comic made me think:

"Are we supposed to feel sorry for him?"
"Are we meant to root for him or Earth-1 Superman?"
"Is Earth-2 Superman and the rest of his group the good guys, and Earth-1's heroes aren't."


I know we don't have to root for anyone, but it seemed written to favour Kal-L, and seemed to make Earth-1 look like a planet gone bad.


What's up with this?

[superlurker]

It's pretty simple, really. We know what the current DCU Earth is like, and what kind of case its heroes would make for it.

Kal-L needs more space in the book, in order to make his case -- since his case isn't well established by default.

That doesn't necessarily mean that IC is taking his 'side' in this -- just that in order for there to be a real conflict, his point of view needs to be adequately represented.

[PatrickG]

Look at the poll taken here regarding whether the multiverse should come back. Split 50/50 with over a hundred responses.

I think we're supposed to be split as a fanbase going into that issue unless something changes between now and then.

I guess the real breakdown will probably be:

1/3rd: Beat him, Kal-L! The Multiverse was the right way to go!

1/3rd: Kick Grampa Superman's ass, Kal-El! I loved Identity Crisis and want more!

1/3rd: Why are they fighting?! This is awful! If either side wins, we all lose!

[LordEd1976]

It's pretty simple, really. We know what the current DCU Earth is like, and what kind of case its heroes would make for it.

Kal-L needs more space in the book, in order to make his case -- since his case isn't well established by default.

That doesn't necessarily mean that IC is taking his 'side' in this -- just that in order for there to be a real conflict, his point of view needs to be adequately represented.

Agreed. Plus there maybe those that are reading IC that aren't familar with E-2 Supes.

[Just_A_Rat]

I don't think we are supposed to know yet who to root for - I think that will become clearer to each of us as the story develops - Does Kal-L have a factual or reasonable basis for his beliefs? Is there a force making the current earth dark, if not, is it a flaw, or just the natural result of time moving on? I think some of these questions need to be answered before we know who to root for, but even better: I hope it is a situation where I don't know which one is right, and I am rooting for and against both simultaneously.

[drpblunt]

i posted this in a diff thread, i believe its more appropriate here:

i would just like to make an observation, had DC indeed used the earth-2 template to recreate the DCU, they would have held on to the one resource that they have been sorely lacking ever since. imho that asset would have been Kal-L superman, let me explain; in my opinion what DC has always lacked was the "iconic" hero who possesed the gravitas to rally all generations of heroes in their universe.pre crisis, Kal-L was that hero, a hero that exemplified the values and standards that all others aspired to, heros from the two earths would generaly seek his council, mine his wisdom, this aspect was lost. he was the analouge of Capt America, the founder of superheroism. post crisis DCU has struggled ever since to have a similar bastion Sure, they have since established the JSA as the "elder statesmen" however they as a group pale in comparison to the weight and substance that Kal-L brought to the table.

DC could have retained this important cornerstone and still re-engineered Kal-L's history to some degree. it has since been eluded to that superman is somewhat long lived (immortal perhaps) so why not say that he did land in 1930, and has had a presence ever since, inspiring all who came after him. post crisis could have retained super-girl as well by allowing power girl to assume that mantle post crisis.

i believe this is what DC is attempting (i may be wrong) however had this been the direction taken earlier i think this would have helped in the transition from gold-silver and modern age.

[Babylon23]

I agree with you, drpblunt. My main problem with CoIE is that it removed Superman's role as FIRST hero. I know some effort has been made to present Alan Scott as the "Big Guy" of the GA, but as much as I love Alan, it's difficult to see anyone but Superman in that role.

As for the thread question, I think we'll have to wait until we see details of E2 Superman's plan. Also, the cover may not be truly representative of the story inside.

[Lurch]

i posted this in a diff thread, i believe its more appropriate here:

i would just like to make an observation, had DC indeed used the earth-2 template to recreate the DCU, they would have held on to the one resource that they have been sorely lacking ever since. imho that asset would have been Kal-L superman, let me explain; in my opinion what DC has always lacked was the "iconic" hero who possesed the gravitas to rally all generations of heroes in their universe.pre crisis, Kal-L was that hero, a hero that exemplified the values and standards that all others aspired to, heros from the two earths would generaly seek his council, mine his wisdom, this aspect was lost. he was the analouge of Capt America, the founder of superheroism. post crisis DCU has struggled ever since to have a similar bastion Sure, they have since established the JSA as the "elder statesmen" however they as a group pale in comparison to the weight and substance that Kal-L brought to the table.

DC could have retained this important cornerstone and still re-engineered Kal-L's history to some degree. it has since been eluded to that superman is somewhat long lived (immortal perhaps) so why not say that he did land in 1930, and has had a presence ever since, inspiring all who came after him. post crisis could have retained super-girl as well by allowing power girl to assume that mantle post crisis.

i believe this is what DC is attempting (i may be wrong) however had this been the direction taken earlier i think this would have helped in the transition from gold-silver and modern age.

Bravo! I feel exactly the same way! The best thing about the Flash and Green Lantern legacies are the fact that they can seek sage advice from the original. I love that aspect, and I would love to see Earth 1 Supes, Bats and WW have that same advantage.

[mohammedali]

It's hard to tell who to back this early on when we haven't heard the full case by each of them. I personally hope that they truely divide opinion on the matter. Perhaps even have a Todd style vote in on who should win E1 or E2.

What I don't want is it to end up villainising one of the Supermans, and just have constant rooting for another character. I can picture it now.

COMIC: "Today we are talking with Kal-L, who wants to destroy the Earth of his counterpart self... Kal, don't you think you're being a dick?"

US: "WHOOOO!!! JERRY... JERRY... JERRY..."

COMIC: "The thought of the day is that we should all live in peace without exception... Apart from the Golden Age heroes - they don't deserve to come back..."

Mohammed Ali

[Sabrinaset]

It's splitting the Internet in half! :)

[mohammedali]

Which is a good thing in my opinion. Break the 'net...

[Guts/Batman]

As a reader, I shall support neither!!!

[mohammedali]

Why's that?

[Guts/Batman]

I am in support of the big baddie!!

It doesn't matter who it is. Anti-Monitor, Krona, Society Luthor, whoever.

I'm not too fond of Post-Identity Crisis DCU...

[mohammedali]

So what if it's Kal-L? Then you have to support one of them :P

Mohammed Ali

[Guts/Batman]

Maybe.

But until that is revealed, I remain in support of the unknown big bad.

[Lurch]

Well, I remember the multiverse well, and I really liked it. Crisis did some nice things by bringing the Lanterns and Flashes all to the same earth, but it would have been nice to see some sort of accessability to an older Batman and Superman as well. I'm just hoping that instead of destroying earth 1 or villianizing Kal-L, they can come up with some sort of compromise that brings back some of the great heroes that the original Crisis lost.

[Gingold]

i posted this in a diff thread, i believe its more appropriate here:

i would just like to make an observation, had DC indeed used the earth-2 template to recreate the DCU, they would have held on to the one resource that they have been sorely lacking ever since. imho that asset would have been Kal-L superman, let me explain; in my opinion what DC has always lacked was the "iconic" hero who possesed the gravitas to rally all generations of heroes in their universe.pre crisis, Kal-L was that hero, a hero that exemplified the values and standards that all others aspired to, heros from the two earths would generaly seek his council, mine his wisdom, this aspect was lost. he was the analouge of Capt America, the founder of superheroism. post crisis DCU has struggled ever since to have a similar bastion Sure, they have since established the JSA as the "elder statesmen" however they as a group pale in comparison to the weight and substance that Kal-L brought to the table.

DC could have retained this important cornerstone and still re-engineered Kal-L's history to some degree. it has since been eluded to that superman is somewhat long lived (immortal perhaps) so why not say that he did land in 1930, and has had a presence ever since, inspiring all who came after him. post crisis could have retained super-girl as well by allowing power girl to assume that mantle post crisis.

i believe this is what DC is attempting (i may be wrong) however had this been the direction taken earlier i think this would have helped in the transition from gold-silver and modern age.

I agree, kinda, but....It's clear to see the dilemna that DC faced post Crisis. What's more important, Superman being the first hero, or Superman being a modern, accessable hero? From a marketing/corporate longevity point of view, the latter is definitely more desireable. From a longtime fan's perspective, maybe the former. Though I'm not sure, I love Power Girl and Supergirl to pieces, but they aren't Superman. DC needs a contemporary Superman and Batman (who are Clark Kent and Bruce Wayne- no replacements, no successors), maybe more than they need a golden age Superman.

[glennsim]

I agree, kinda, but....It's clear to see the dilemna that DC faced post Crisis. What's more important, Superman being the first hero, or Superman being a modern, accessable hero? From a marketing/corporate longevity point of view, the latter is definitely more desireable. From a longtime fan's perspective, maybe the former. Though I'm not sure, I love Power Girl and Supergirl to pieces, but they aren't Superman. DC needs a contemporary Superman and Batman (who are Clark Kent and Bruce Wayne- no replacements, no successors), maybe more than they need a golden age Superman.

That's why, IMHO, they should have established clear substitutes for the missing heroes. "Ultra Man" who inspired all the heroes and was cousin to Power Girl. "Night Stalker" who patrolled Gotham City and father of the Huntress. "Amazon", super-strong female who would be mother to Fury.

It would be the same hero as before, with personalities, general histories, everything could have stayed the same, just make their past, physical appearance, and details different enough to make it plausable that another similar hero could come along in the form of Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, etc. It could be rationalized that with these heroes around after the Crisis (well, except for Batman, but you know what I mean), the universe created a history around them. Rather like they are saying tried to happen with Power Girl.

As it stood, the process of half-ass replacing these heroes caused as much confusion as the multiple Earths ever did (assuming they did). And took away the important roles they played in the history of the DCU.

[Sk8maven]

I agree, kinda, but....It's clear to see the dilemna that DC faced post Crisis. What's more important, Superman being the first hero, or Superman being a modern, accessable hero? Why did they think it had to be one OR the other, but not both? Because Alan Moore hadn't come up with "Tom Strong" yet to prove that you COULD have it both ways?

What we have here is a massive failure of imagination.

Maven

[Lurch]

My only problem with that is that Superman, Batman and WW were an important part of the Golden Age JSA. I'll never understand the retcon of WW from the original JSA. After all, she IS immortal. And there really is no reason that Superman couldn't be 85 or 90 years old and still look exactly the same as he does now. In fact, having a Superman who lived through WW II would add a whole new "Captain America" type dimension to the character. Batman, Lois, and many other characters do present a problem, and I just can't see DC going to something like Byrne's "Generations" as a timeline.

They have to do something soon though, because all these twentysomething children of the JSA members who's mothers are in their eighties really don't make any sense.

[Bored at 3:00AM]

Alan Moore's Supreme also showed a perfect solution for keeping Superman's founding hero status without losing him as a contemporary hero, without having to age Lois, Perry & Jimmy in the process.

Basically, Lana Lang was his Lois in the Golden Age. After she died or was killed, Superman went into a self-imposed exile following the Witchhunts in '51 and returns to the public eye when he meets and falls in love with Lois Lane at the start of the Modern Age, which is perpetually 10 to 15 years ago.

The only drawback, is you couldn't keep the Kents as contemporary characters any longer, but...there are quite a few fans out there that think they shouldn't still be alive anyway. Or, hell, you could keep Lana alive as you want as a kindly old woman, who serves as Clark's "Ma Kent" figure back in Smallvile for Supes to confide in.

There's plenty of ways of doing it.

Batman? Not really important to keep him a Golden Age character, to be honest. The Huntress and the adult Robin are already working just fine in the current set-up. Although she's not his daughter, the Helena Bertinelli Huntress works just fine at the moment and their dynamic is still a "disapproving father/rebellious daughter" thing. And Nightwing has been doing the Adult Robin thing far better than the Earth-2 Robin ever did.

Besides, the Golden Age Batman was never on the same level as Superman, the inspiration to everything that came after. He was simply the best of a certain type of superhero. And Superman lends himself far more to the fantastic than a more grounded character like Batman.

[Yoda]

Alan Moore's Supreme also showed a perfect solution for keeping Superman's founding hero status without losing him as a contemporary hero, without having to age Lois, Perry & Jimmy in the process.

Basically, Lana Lang was his Lois in the Golden Age. After she died or was killed, Superman went into a self-imposed exile following the Witchhunts in '51 and returns to the public eye when he meets and falls in love with Lois Lane at the start of the Modern Age, which is perpetually 10 to 15 years ago.

The only drawback, is you couldn't keep the Kents as contemporary characters any longer, but...there are quite a few fans out there that think they shouldn't still be alive anyway. Or, hell, you could keep Lana alive as you want as a kindly old woman, who serves as Clark's "Ma Kent" figure back in Smallvile for Supes to confide in.

There's plenty of ways of doing it.

Batman? Not really important to keep him a Golden Age character, to be honest. The Huntress and the adult Robin are already working just fine in the current set-up. Although she's not his daughter, the Helena Bertinelli Huntress works just fine at the moment and their dynamic is still a "disapproving father/rebellious daughter" thing. And Nightwing has been doing the Adult Robin thing far better than the Earth-2 Robin ever did.

Besides, the Golden Age Batman was never on the same level as Superman, the inspiration to everything that came after. He was simply the best of a certain type of superhero. And Superman lends himself far more to the fantastic than a more grounded character like Batman.How do you reconcile the Clark Kent persona though. That's as integral to Superman as Lois Lane and Lex Luthor.

[absent-minded professor]

That's why, IMHO, they should have established clear substitutes for the missing heroes. "Ultra Man" who inspired all the heroes and was cousin to Power Girl.
...
As it stood, the process of half-ass replacing these heroes caused as much confusion as the multiple Earths ever did (assuming they did). And took away the important roles they played in the history of the DCU.

Well, it's very easy to understand why DC didn't do this, but even in 1985-6 I wanted them to fill Kal-L's shoes with Captain Marvel back in the '40s. To me, the Marvel family (as much as I love them) works way better in that milieu than in the present.

[LtMarvel]

Well, it's very easy to understand why DC didn't do this, but even in 1985-6 I wanted them to fill Kal-L's shoes with Captain Marvel back in the '40s. To me, the Marvel family (as much as I love them) works way better in that milieu than in the present.

Problem: Wouldn't the Marvel Family's fate be known in the present day?

[Sk8maven]

How do you reconcile the Clark Kent persona though. That's as integral to Superman as Lois Lane and Lex Luthor.Same way Hob Gadling managed it over some six hundred years. Go away for a while, come back as your own "nephew" or "cousin once removed". We got a small hint of that in Crisis #12, when Earth-1 Clark introduces Earth-2 Clark to the Daily Planet staff as his "Uncle Clark".

I also suspect that Jim Corrigan changed cities whenever his lack of aging became too noticeable. That would explain why he started out in New York, moved to Metropolis, then moved again to the West Coast. In a new city nobody needed to know how old he was.

Maven

[Paradox]

Lurch should define "important":

My only problem with that is that Superman, Batman and WW were an important part of the Golden Age JSA.

WW, yes. Supes and Bats? Eh, not so much. Very occasional guest-shots, nothing more. Far more easy to get around those few appearances than with WW's very active tenure in the later years.

[Lurch]

WW, yes. Supes and Bats? Eh, not so much. Very occasional guest-shots, nothing more. Far more easy to get around those few appearances than with WW's very active tenure in the later years.

That's true, now that I think about it. I remember in Alex Ross's Mythology, he stated what I said as justification for including Batman and Superman in one of his JSA paintings, and when I read that I thought that was incorrect, because I also remember reading what you stated somewhere else. But Wonder Woman? Wasn't Byrne responsible for that Wonder Woman retcon? Whoever it was, I fail to see the necessity of re-engineering a character that's supposedly immortal. And as for Captain Marvel replacing Superman in the Golden Age, that's not a bad idea. And being powered by magic, the whole Marvel family could still exist as they do today as far as I'm concerned.

[Paradox]

Lurch takes me down memory lane:

That's true, now that I think about it. I remember in Alex Ross's Mythology, he stated what I said as justification for including Batman and Superman in one of his JSA paintings, and when I read that I thought that was incorrect, because I also remember reading what you stated somewhere else.

Well they both WERE "honorary members" from the start, but they only actively participated in one adventure (#36) and a handful of cameos, that I know of. I can see it justifying putting them in the painting, but they weren't really important members.

But Wonder Woman? Wasn't Byrne responsible for that Wonder Woman retcon?

What, the one where he made Hippolyta the Golden Age WW? Yeah, that was Byrne. I don't really like it myself, but it works better than no WW at all, I guess. But Byrne didn't retcon the original WW into the JSA. She was an active member back in the day after Marston died and let go of the choke hold he had on her. Before that she was the "secretary", although I seem to recall she did pitch in from time to time.

Whoever it was, I fail to see the necessity of re-engineering a character that's supposedly immortal.

I never saw the reason for several things about Pérez revamp, enjoy his run on the series though I did.

And as for Captain Marvel replacing Superman in the Golden Age, that's not a bad idea. And being powered by magic, the whole Marvel family could still exist as they do today as far as I'm concerned.

I'd have no problem with that.

Roy Thomas made an attempt at trying to replace the Big Three (Seven) with his Young All-Stars, but it never really felt right. It felt more like a sad attempt by a desperate and broken writer. Roy wasn't the same for years, if you ask me.

[Just_A_Rat]

Same way Hob Gadling managed it over some six hundred years. Go away for a while, come back as your own "nephew" or "cousin once removed". We got a small hint of that in Crisis #12, when Earth-1 Clark introduces Earth-2 Clark to the Daily Planet staff as his "Uncle Clark".

I also suspect that Jim Corrigan changed cities whenever his lack of aging became too noticeable. That would explain why he started out in New York, moved to Metropolis, then moved again to the West Coast. In a new city nobody needed to know how old he was.

Maven

Yeah, but it doesn't work as well in today's day and age, without having people forging birth certificates, etc. And is there even a chance Luthor couldn't track that particular bit of trickiness? I really don't think that has been a workable solution for someone with a secret identity for some years now.

But then, it is possible that Clark could have had all of that set up before it would have been so difficult. How he'll handle it next time? Could make for an interesting story.

[Gentlegamer]

Anyone have a direct link to this preview cover?

[Sharcque]

Anyone else get the Wizard today? There's the cover to IC #4 on page 46. But it's different from the original solicited cover. There are 2 golden arms on the sides of Donna Troy and the bee chick. Anyone else think it's Alex Luthor? Kinda looks like what he wears. And isn't his power to open up portals that are actually part of himself? Maybe he's the IC big bad--- dunno what his motivations would be, though.

[Patience]

Anyone else get the Wizard today? There's the cover to IC #4 on page 46. But it's different from the original solicited cover. There are 2 golden arms on the sides of Donna Troy and the bee chick. Anyone else think it's Alex Luthor? Kinda looks like what he wears. And isn't his power to open up portals that are actually part of himself? Maybe he's the IC big bad--- dunno what his motivations would be, though.


I got it, but I'm reluctant to believe it. Could be photoshopped in, a calculated piece of misinformation -- or it could be exactly what we saw, only we'll find out inside the story that something completely different is going on than what appears.

For all we know, it might be the same image, only when we get the actual issue, it'll be silver arms and the whole thing will turn out to have been Parallax again. :)

[borateen]

Scan please?

[Sharcque]

Sorry ---I was at work when I originally started this thread, and had no access to a scanner....here ya go:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a217/sharcque/i19zbk.jpg

[PatrickG]

We knew that the cover we had wasn't final but my guess is that Wizard needed their version even earlier and so there was less time to edit the mystery figure out.

It could be Alex. It could be a recolored Parallax.

...

Oh. Snap.

What if Alex isn't who we think he is? Anybody remember where Ultra-Humanite was last seen in Crisis?

[PatrickG]

Oh. And that could be Superboy Prime's new costume too.

[MWGallaher]

It's gotta be Alex.
The fact that they censored the preview means they considered those hands to be a spoiler. If the hands were of some unknown character (e. g., Superboy-Prime in a new costume or a new character), then why bother censoring?
Nope, they censored because they didn't want to tip us off too soon that Alex will be opening a portal and causing mayhem for our heroes.
I see lots of hints in IC #2 that we should be suspicious of Alex, particularly the fact that he's been keeping a record of things going bad in the DCU that he used to convince Kal-L to remake Earth-2. Hey, they're in a limbo where there's apparently nothing to do but watch the DCU; wouldn't Kal-L have been able to come to this conclusion on his own if he'd been watching?

[PatrickG]

It's gotta be Alex.
The fact that they censored the preview means they considered those hands to be a spoiler. If the hands were of some unknown character (e. g., Superboy-Prime in a new costume or a new character), then why bother censoring?
Nope, they censored because they didn't want to tip us off too soon that Alex will be opening a portal and causing mayhem for our heroes.
I see lots of hints in IC #2 that we should be suspicious of Alex, particularly the fact that he's been keeping a record of things going bad in the DCU that he used to convince Kal-L to remake Earth-2. Hey, they're in a limbo where there's apparently nothing to do but watch the DCU; wouldn't Kal-L have been able to come to this conclusion on his own if he'd been watching?


Except they STILL censored the middle...

Why give away the hands and hide the middle?

This still hasn't the final cover.

However, something worth noting is that Society Lex has blue eyes like Alex.

I think he's gonna turn out to be a holographic manifestation of Alex or something.

[AndersMage]

If It is Alex Luthor we should look at the possible reasons for his hands being there and why they would have been removed to begin with:

Alex's reasons

a) holding a collapsing portal open for the heroes
b) opening one so that they can go where they are needed
c) he is the big bad and is responsible for opening the rift in the universe
d) he is trying to recreate the multiverse, not with the intention of destroying what exists now, but "putting right what once went wrong"--not exactly the definition of a "big bad"

DC's reasons

a) the cover would be seen (or possibly seen before the reveal at the end of IC#1)
b) DC is really good at deception, and waited till we saw Alex again, saw his costume, and then removed the hands; followed by leaking the other cover to fuel more speculation on Alex's motives
c) Alex is the "big bad" and they were trying to hide it and the Wizard image is an "oops"

I'm personally voting for (d) and (c). He's not a big bad, he is responsible is some way, he is doing whatever he is doing for good reasons, and DC goofed with the Wizard cover.

If fact, if he is responsible, he could have spent the last XX years studying how to undo the original Crisis, with the intention of restoring his world. If he could not just recreate the multiverse, but also reset it to some point in the past, he could bring his parents back. That would be a goal worth fighting and manipulating for.

This seems the most likely of situations.

AndersMage

[PatrickG]

BTW, they have said Zero Hour will be addressed and it involved lots of rifts in the universe.

Recolor that image a bit and you have Parallax there.

[PatrickG]

Oh. And WHOEVER that is, once revealed is gonna have his head in one of several awkward places, composition-wise.

Either Jade is gonna be shooting back from his mouth or he's looking directly up Supergirl's skirt.

[glennsim]

I'm betting they don't show any more of him in the final product.

[Sharcque]

Maybe Alex has just plain snapped. I mean, he's been in Limbo for several years with an alternate version of his mom and an alternate version of his dad's arch nemesis, and it just so happens that they're in love with each other. So all he does is watch them "be in love together" and watch the DCU fall apart. Geez, that's enough to drive anyone crazy.

[LordEd1976]

Oh. And WHOEVER that is, once revealed is gonna have his head in one of several awkward places, composition-wise.

Either Jade is gonna be shooting back from his mouth or he's looking directly up Supergirl's skirt.

I'd have to say skirt

[Adam Crocker]

Oh. And WHOEVER that is, once revealed is gonna have his head in one of several awkward places, composition-wise.

Which is probably why I think it's the final cover seeing as how they really can't fit the entire figure in properly between those two arms...unless they want to plunk a disembodied face in the middle there.

[Buried Alien]

I'd have to say skirt

This entire new crisis is just an elaborate scheme for the main villain to get a good peek up Supergirl's skirt.


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[LordEd1976]

This entire new crisis is just an elaborate scheme for the main villain to get a good peek up Supergirl's skirt.


Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

GASP!

THE EVIL FIEND!!!!!!

[DMike]

This entire new crisis is just an elaborate scheme for the main villain to get a good peek up Supergirl's skirt.





Meh, it's Tara Reid Zor-El. Can't be that hard to catch a peek up her skirt.

[Babylon23]

This entire new crisis is just an elaborate scheme for the main villain to get a good peek up Supergirl's skirt.


Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

Given how short her skirt is, I doubt you'd need an elaborate scheme to look up it.

[Patience]

This entire new crisis is just an elaborate scheme for the main villain to get a good peek up Supergirl's skirt.


Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)


Well, that confirms it. Hal's gone bad again. :D

[Sean Walsh]

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Feb06/preview/InfiniteCrisisCv6.jpg


INFINITE CRISIS #6
Written by Geoff Johns
Art by Phil Jimenez & Andy Lanning
Covers by Jim Lee & Sandra Hope and George Pérez
Which events in this continuing epic will lead us to One Year Later? What worlds live? Which hero dies? Retailers please note: This issue will ship with covers by Lee & Hope (approximately 50%) and Pérez (approximately 50%).
On sale March 8 • 6 of 7 • 40 pg, FC, $3.99 US

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Dang, I guess everyone was right. The multiverse is back!

Of course I don't like the idea, but I trust Geoff Johns in making what could turn out to be the worst idea in DC history into a good one.

[ScottDMSimmons]

I don't think this is a full reveal, much like issue #2 wasn't.
Maybe each shard has a different hero or villain in it.

--Scott

[ScottDMSimmons]

As I'm looking around, that's my LEAST favorite cover (based on what's shown for now).

Check these two out:

ROBIN, showing his NEW outfit:

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Feb06/preview/Robin148.htm

SUPERGIRL, possibly the return of Nightwing and Flamebird???:

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Feb06/preview/Supergirl07.htm

--Scott

[Mon-el]

ROBIN, showing his NEW outfit:

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Feb06/preview/Robin148.htm

Not a real Huge fan of Robin's animated outfit. Looks like green boots with it as well.

SUPERGIRL, possibly the return of Nightwing and Flamebird???:

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Feb06/preview/Supergirl07.htm


--Scott

I thought the same thing about Nightwing and Flamebird. The waist level jet packs is what made me think of that.

[protege]

Are you sure that's from Supergirl?

[Bruce Wayne Jr.]

That cover's so simple, but says quite a bit. I'm excited!

[Justin D.]

The IC #6 cover is obviously an unfinished cover. The Robin cover is the only telling one because of the costume change, and it took me a while to figure out what the difference is. I like the change, but I'm still surprised they kept the short pants on the outside of long pants look. Also, the team taking over for the Hawkman book to make it Hawkgirl makes this the first time I've probably ever considered buying a Hawkgirl book. Or will it be Hawkwoman?

[Lex]

SUPERGIRL, possibly the return of Nightwing and Flamebird???:

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Feb06/preview/Supergirl07.htm

--Scott
But what do Nightwing and Flamebird have to do with Supergirl? This issue is supposed to be the OYL launching point for the book so why would it show two completely unrelated characters?

[Joe Zool]

Supergirl's *ahem* right breast certainly is big. And at an angle which I find very scary.

[Justin D.]

But what do Nightwing and Flamebird have to do with Supergirl? This issue is supposed to be the OYL launching point for the book so why would it show two completely unrelated characters?

Maybe that's part of the new direction. And I think the one on the bottom is Supergirl. Maybe. At least, I doubt the one on top is.

[DDM]

Dang, I guess everyone was right. The multiverse is back!

Of course I don't like the idea, but I trust Geoff Johns in making what could turn out to be the worst idea in DC history into a good one.

Showing two Earth's colliding is hardly a reason to say the multiverse is back. Maybe Earth-2's history will be more dominant after Infinite Crisis on the single Earth, but I just don't see any evidence the multiverse is back.

[Jack Tango]

Maybe that's part of the new direction. And I think the one on the bottom is Supergirl. Maybe. At least, I doubt the one on top is.

The one on the right is Power Girl.

[Corrina]

But what do Nightwing and Flamebird have to do with Supergirl? This issue is supposed to be the OYL launching point for the book so why would it show two completely unrelated characters?

Nightwing and Flamebird were originally the Batman/Robin equivalent in the bottle city of Kandor. At first, Supes & Jimmy were the persons under the mask, but then the identities were taken up by Van-Zee (some cousin of Supes) and a reformed criminal named Ak-Var.

[Lex]

I just noticed that both characters are wearing rocket belts. That's really cool, but makes it even more confusing.

[Yoda]

Supergirl and Batwoman maybe? The arms on the right character look like batwings. Why would Supergirl need a rocket pack though? Maybe she's the depowered character from that Wizard quiz? Or is that rocket back not going to be there in the final version and it's just to throw us.

[Jason H]

Can't say for sure if the 2 earths are colliding or splitting (looks more like colliding) but I do hope the multiverse returns. Why else have everyone remembering the multiverse?

[DDM]

Can't say for sure if the 2 earths are colliding or splitting (looks more like colliding) but I do hope the multiverse returns. Why else have everyone remembering the multiverse?

The cover is somewhat reminiscent of Crisis On Infinite Earths #5 when Earth-1 & Earth-2 were merging in the Netherverse:

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/19768226990.5.GIF

[Super Monkey]

Robin's new costume is is really nice, I like it a lot. :)

As far as that cover, are those Earths splitting or crashing into one another?

[Phoney Bone]

I'm thinking the Supergirl cover is the first appearance of Batwoman and Batgirl.

[Phoney Bone]

The cover is somewhat reminiscent of Crisis On Infinite Earths #5 when Earth-1 & Earth-2 were merging in the Netherverse:

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/19768226990.5.GIF

In reverse, no less.

[Sean Walsh]

As far as that cover, are those Earths splitting or crashing into one another?

Well, considering that there's only 1 Earth now.......I'm guessing it's a split.

[Murrocko]

*sigh* I hated the multiverse.

[Buried Alien]

*sigh* I hated the multiverse.

Yeah...well, you've enjoyed twenty years without it. Time to let the rest of us have some fun. :)


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[Justin D.]

Yeah...well, you've enjoyed twenty years without it. Time to let the rest of us have some fun. :)

You're silly.

[Ultraman Max]

Robin's new costume kinda looks like it takes a few visual cues from Superman's, especially with the boots. I wonder if that plays into the rift that's supposed to form between Batman and the Boy Wonder.


Though it also has some visual elements from the animated Tim Drake and Earth 2 Robin as well.

[LordEd1976]

Yeah...well, you've enjoyed twenty years without it. Time to let the rest of us have some fun. :)


Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

I have seen multiple worlds and I have seen just one. Either way is fine by me.

[Dil]

Perhaps the rockets are just here to make us believe they are depowered.
They can hide things, they can add thins too ^^

[converge241]

Yeah...well, you've enjoyed twenty years without it. Time to let the rest of us have some fun. :)


Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

Amen Brother..sing it!

[davids]

And the two are the new female versions of nightwing and flamebird. perhaps the current supergirl and? [linda danvers, batgirl,cir-el, su-erboy prime in drag. whatever] Remeber no powers in kandor!

[superman1984]

*sigh* I hated the multiverse.

I wouldn't worry too much...I don't think the mutliverse is actually coming back...

[IamtheRock3]

tecncily isnt the multiverse something that all ways been here

with the crime sydicate being around for a while, and Batman/Superman world hopping, and JSA stuff.

[DDM]

tecncily isnt the multiverse something that all ways been here

with the crime sydicate being around for a while, and Batman/Superman world hopping, and JSA stuff.

No, the multiverse was wiped out in Crisis On Infinite Earths. The post-Crisis Crime Syndicate of Amerika live in the anti-matter universe;whereas, the pre-Crisis Crime Syndicate of America lived on Earth-3, a positive matter universe. The JSA & JLA live on the same Earth making their adventures possible.

[Drifter]

I agree that this cover looks unfinished...
I think the final cover will have a picture or scene in each shard, possibly of heroes who have died, lived, or are in danger etc...

Also, whos that supose to be behind robin in the batman get-up with the dagger?

[Super Monkey]

I agree that this cover looks unfinished...
I think the final cover will have a picture or scene in each shard, possibly of heroes who have died, lived, or are in danger etc...

Also, whos that supose to be behind robin in the batman get-up with the dagger?

That cover is not complete they blacked out that figure, could be batwoman? Seem to skinny to be Batman :confused:

[Drifter]

That cover is not complete they blacked out that figure, could be batwoman? Seem to skinny to be Batman :confused:

hmm didnt think of her, I thought she wasnt going to be around after crisis though? or will she still be around, just not her comic?

[Corrina]

That cover is not complete they blacked out that figure, could be batwoman? Seem to skinny to be Batman :confused:

Maybe the previous Robin, Jason Todd, is there to stab the new Robin in the back.

[Babylon23]

I don't think this cover signifies the return of the multiverse. I think it's a representation of E2 Supes attempts to return Earth-2.

I agree that it's unfinished. I'm sure those fragments will be full of images.

[Super Monkey]

I guess we will find out on Monday :)

[Kid Seven]

Maybe. I thought I remembered the cover to issue number two being edited even in the advance solicitations. DC's sneaky like that.

Well, and I don't think Jim Lee was done with the cover yet. ;-)

[Sean Walsh]

Maybe. I thought I remembered the cover to issue number two being edited even in the advance solicitations. DC's sneaky like that.

You remember correctly. All we saw of Lee's #2 cover until #1's release was Power Girl and the big blue swirl behind her.

Well, and I don't think Jim Lee was done with the cover yet. ;-)

Oh, I'm thinking Jim Lee's covers were done well beforehand, given the severity of INF CRISIS.

Then again, #3 is shipping a week late, apparently. :-/

[Azrael52]

Robin's costume is cool, and I've read the interviews with the new team. I'm looking forward to it. I almost dropped it a few months back, but now, I'm waiting impatiently.

IC #6 will be fun. I bet there will be a massive cliff hanger, too. Can't wait to see what the final cover will look like.

[Guts/Batman]

But what do Nightwing and Flamebird have to do with Supergirl? This issue is supposed to be the OYL launching point for the book so why would it show two completely unrelated characters?

They aren't completely unrelated.

Well, Nightwing and Supergirl aren't anyways. Supergirl kissed Nightwing in Supergirl #3.

Oh shizzzzzle...

*Nearly faints at the idea that they might bring those two together for a romantic partner*

[Guts/Batman]

I don't think this cover signifies the return of the multiverse. I think it's a representation of E2 Supes attempts to return Earth-2.

I don't think Kal-L is planning for the return of just his universe...but the Multiverse.

[Guts/Batman]

Robin's new costume is is really nice, I like it a lot. :)

From what I have seen on two forums (This and the Batman forum). I appear to in the minority.

I don't like the new suit, plus the art makes my eyes bleed. Why do we have to have new suits for the characters?!?!?

Maybe if I liked the art better I could swallow it. But as is, I can't like the new suit.

[Arkham Resident]

Cover looks unfinished.

could go either way ( Multiverse back or not)

DC is taking us again on a wild ride.. Which ,marketing-wise is a good way to keep the interest on IC rolling ( especially if IC three to five disappoints fans)

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Showing two Earth's colliding is hardly a reason to say the multiverse is back. Maybe Earth-2's history will be more dominant after Infinite Crisis on the single Earth, but I just don't see any evidence the multiverse is back.

Agreed on that. There's no evidence of the multiverse coming back, given that this is an unfinished cover. But that cover could also mean that the Earth is splitting in two Earths...

Or something like that.

[Joe-Dono]

Is the cover saying the multiverse is back or is it saying 2 earths become 1?

I cant tell if it is a split or a merger.

[Logansmiddleclaw]

I say bring back the multiverse. I didn't really get into comics until just after the first Crisis. Those old pre-Crisis multiverse stories look like fun reads. Comics are supposed to be fun......... :D

[Super Monkey]

Comics are supposed to be fun......... :D

How dare you suggest such a thing! Comics are suppose to be dark, grim and full of angst so that I can fool myself into thinking I am not reading a book which started as a superhero created for children!

;)

[Jack Tango]

SUPERGIRL #7
Written by Greg Rucka, Art and cover by Ian Churchill
It’s one year later…and Kara and Power Girl have become the dynamic duo of the bottle city of Kandor as the new Flamebird and Nightwing! Don’t miss the debut of new series writer Greg Rucka (WONDER WOMAN, THE OMAC PROJECT) and artist Ian Churchill!

Hey, whaddya know? I was right for once!

[666MasterOfPuppets]

So, Supergirl is in two places at once? Isn't she also in the 30th century?

[mdg1]

Time travel is a wonderful thing :)

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Time travel is a wonderful thing :)

Hehe...

I guess so.

[Tom]

I don't like the new suit, plus the art makes my eyes bleed. Why do we have to have new suits for the characters?!?!?

Because it's one of the oldest and most basic traditions in the superhero genre: hero goes through crisis, hero gets new costume.

[Lex]

Because it's one of the oldest and most basic traditions in the superhero genre: hero goes through crisis, hero gets new costume.
Exactly. I heard that Spider-Man showing up in that black costume was a big deal at the time. New costumes is one of the fun parts of comics. Some new costumes don't last long, but they'll always be remembered (just look at all the variant covers they are doing for Spider-Man with all his various costumes).

[Tom]

Exactly. I heard that Spider-Man showing up in that black costume was a big deal at the time.Sure. Make me feel old.
New costumes is one of the fun parts of comics. Some new costumes don't last long, but they'll always be remembered (just look at all the variant covers they are doing for Spider-Man with all his various costumes).
There are two longstanding costume traditions in superhero comics. The first, as I mentioned, is the costume-as-narrative-reflection tradition. Whether the drama is internal or external, it gets reflected in the hero's clothing.

The second is a little more ...fetishistic. For whatever reasons (and I have my theories) there has always been a longstanding tradition to put a female in a feminized version of the male hero's costume. Long before Supergirl or Barbara Gordon, there was Mary Marvel and various versions of Superwoman (many of whom were Lois). The Golden Age was full of girlfriend-puts-on-hero's-costume stories.

[Sean Walsh]

So, Supergirl is in two places at once? Isn't she also in the 30th century?

I kinda got the impression from the solicit that.......something's up with the Supergirl who'll be in the 30th century.

I guess they could do the "she's in the past and present" thing, but I was kinda thinking........maybe the Supergirl in the LSH *isn't* Kara.....

[Lex]

I kinda got the impression from the solicit that.......something's up with the Supergirl who'll be in the 30th century.

I guess they could do the "she's in the past and present" thing, but I was kinda thinking........maybe the Supergirl in the LSH *isn't* Kara.....Oh, what if it's Chameleon trying to play a joke? We've seen him impersinate other Legionarries before. It's a thought.

[Ian J.N.]

I kinda got the impression from the solicit that.......something's up with the Supergirl who'll be in the 30th century.

I guess they could do the "she's in the past and present" thing, but I was kinda thinking........maybe the Supergirl in the LSH *isn't* Kara.....Could be. But if this move is intended to better tie Legion with the DCU, it'd make more sense to go with the blockbuster selling Supergirl.