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Uncensored
02-15-2006, 11:16 PM
1945; Hitler has been defeated. We begin on an air transport plane filled with paratroopers over Nazi Germany; one of those paratroopers is Steve Rogers, Captain America. The soldiers parachute down, and take the battle to what’s left of the Nazi forces, only for Captain America to discover aliens and a nuclear missile, which has been targeted at Washington. The missile is launched, but the Captain takes action; attaching himself to the missile to take it down, mid-air. He succeeds, but his heroic efforts have sent him falling down into the ocean, to be frozen in time…

Present day; General Nick Fury and Professor Betty Ross are aboard a submarine, searching for something in the arctic waters. As they find what they are looking for, we discover that it is the frozen body of Captain America. He is thawed out, and after battling his way out of S.H.I.E.L.D. headquarters, he is surprised at just how much the world has changed. The discovery of Captain America is music to the ears of Dr. Bruce Banner, whom has been working on recreating the Super-Soldier Serum for many years now; but the true reason for his excitement remains to be seen… Meanwhile, the result of an impending alien invasion, General Fury is ordered to activate Project Avenger; to assemble a group of powerful individuals to defend humanity against immanent destruction.

The first thing I must point out is that, although I’ve read the first four (give or take) issues of The Ultimates; I was rather tired at the time, thus I don’t remember every little detail. I also (at the moment) am unable to re-read them, so just assume while reading this that I know nothing more than a basic synopsis of The Ultimates comic book.

With all the complaining about decompressed story telling in comic books these days, it is highly ironic that Ultimate Avengers main problem is too much compression. Here we have a (roughly) hour and ten minute long animated film, that clearly has more plot than is given time for. Things happen way too quickly in this film, and it really hurts ones ability to take the story seriously at times. It seems like Marvel and/or Lions Gate, despite supposedly wanting to make a PG-13 animated film (which, I have no idea why it got anything higher than a PG, save for some relationship drama between Bruce & Betty) felt the need to compress the story into a quick adventure for impatient, juvenile minds.

Another problem with the story is that far too much is mentioned with only a loose or no explanation at all; Bruce Banner’s rampages as the Hulk, how Steve Rogers became Captain America, and why he was the only person the Super Soldier Serum was used on. These are things that really should’ve been explained in one form or another. Sure, many comic book fans already know the answers to a lot of the questions raised in the film, but if they’re trying to market it for a general audience as well; it makes no sense to assume that every viewer automatically knows who’s who and what their story is.

Despite being compressed, the story at hand is rather interesting. The tragedy of Steve Roger’s awakening some 60 years later, with his family and nearly everyone he loves gone, is something that (if fleshed out more) could have really tugged on the heart-strings of the audience. Tony Stark is portrayed rather well in this story; I think he could have easily stolen the show if only his was featured more prominently. He’s an asshole billionaire, interested merely in wealth, women and booze (though the booze angle isn’t played up anywhere near as much as it is in the comics), seemingly not caring about anyone but himself. His snide comments and pompous attitude make him a hilarious character to see interact with the others.

I’ve read that Hank Pym (Giant Man) and Janet (Wasp) have a marriage that eventually turns violent, with Hank becoming abusive towards her. This isn’t portrayed at all in the film, however; Hank is shown as being extremely jealous, rude, and overall just a prick towards Janet. He’s very unlikable, and the abuse seeds have been planted, whether they do anything with it in the next film however remains to be seen. Janet is also shown to have an admiration for Captain America, which may lead to their eventual intimate relationship (as they apparently have now, in the comics). The real pivotal character moment comes from Dr. Banner, though. He is mostly presented through the film as being a tortured genius, but one who still seeks to set the wrongs he’s made right. Eventually, however, his true intentions start coming out, and a shocking discovery is made by Betty and Fury regarding Bruce’s research.

The animation in the film is so-so; it’s not terrible to look at, and it is generally better than your typical Saturday morning cartoon, but there was still room for improvement. Some moments look especially good, such as a scene where Black Widow is trying to comfort Captain America; there’s a minute or so where the camera is focused on her head, looking towards it, as she talks to Steve, the animation looks almost beautiful. There’s also a fair amount of CGI in the film, mostly aerial scenes with ships battling each other; the blend between traditional and computer animation is almost seamless. It certainly looks better than the last time Marvel attempted it (the 90’s Spider-Man cartoon, though in their defense; CGI was still relative new at the time), though it still is easy to spot the difference between the two. One major problem with the animation however is the lip-synching, which often varies from average to just plain horrible. It’s not as if the film is dubbed either (then, it would be excusable), so there’s really no reason (other than, rushed animation, perhaps, or a small budget) why it should be as poor as it is in some scenes.

Most of the voice work is nothing to write home about, but some of it stands out. The actor who voices Tony Stark does a top-notch job with the tone and line delivery of a snobbish playboy; it’s just sad that Stark doesn’t get a lot of screen time. The actress who voices Black Widow also handles the role well (despite the accent being blatantly acted); and the actor voicing Thor does a great job in his introduction scene, although he loses steam very quickly afterward. I’m also impressed with the voice work for Bruce Banner (who, is apparently voiced by Michael Massee a.k.a. “Funboy” from The Crow!), who seemed to fit right into the part of Ultimate Banner. By far the real stinker of the cast is, ironically, the star; Captain America. This was a horrible, horrible miscast. In the film, Cap has a very, timid, young, uninspiring voice. I think the voice director’s motivation for this casting choice was that the character of Steve Rogers (pre-super soldier serum) was a scrawny, weak private. However, as Captain America, he really should have a powerful, commanding, inspiring voice, which sadly here, he does not.

Overall this film is easily recommended to any comic book fan, if at least for curiosity’s sake. I was neither disappointed nor amazed by this film; I enjoyed it, but I recognize that it suffers from a lot of problems. It could have been something great—in fact, if Marvel hadn’t anxiously sold off the film rights to most of the characters in this years ago, I would suggest that Marvel just find a good Hollywood screen writer and director and just make an actual Ultimates movie.

Rating: ***1/2 out of *****

DaniloV
02-16-2006, 07:28 AM
You gave a fair review, better than most profesional sites on the net, i'll give a look and get back to you.

Tony Starkz
02-16-2006, 09:05 AM
Nice review.

But even from the previews,it didn't look like anything spectacular,and I'm a huge Ultimates fan.

I'll probably just rent it.

Uncensored
02-16-2006, 04:35 PM
You gave a fair review, better than most profesional sites on the net, i'll give a look and get back to you.

Thanks, I'm hoping to do it professionally some time down the road.

Agentum
02-17-2006, 02:10 AM
oooops..........

i5hawn
02-17-2006, 10:09 AM
My biggest problem with the film and like every other comic to film before it is how much it simply deviates from the actual Ultimates story. Fury's jealousy, Stark's secret, just a lot of weird things.

Lanowar
02-17-2006, 05:01 PM
It was good, the voices are a bit...bleh. Captain America's voice is awful in the Ultimates the Captain America there so sure of himself more comandering then a boy scout. Then again I read the guy who voices Captain America did'nt even read the comics until he got the part.

Still looking forward to UA 2 with the Black Panther

wingsofdamnation
02-22-2006, 05:33 AM
i was really dissappointed in the movie. it was like an hour of nothing but whining. the only good part IMO was the fight with the hulk at the end. that was awesome

Kirk G
02-22-2006, 01:27 PM
It was good, the voices are a bit...bleh. Captain America's voice is awful in the Ultimates the Captain America there so sure of himself more comandering then a boy scout. Then again I read the guy who voices Captain America did'nt even read the comics until he got the part.

Still looking forward to UA 2 with the Black Panther
What happened to the fan search for actors to voice the parts?
Did ANYONE land a role? :confused:

Kirk G
02-22-2006, 01:27 PM
It was good, the voices are a bit...bleh. Captain America's voice is awful in the Ultimates the Captain America there so sure of himself more comandering then a boy scout. Then again I read the guy who voices Captain America did'nt even read the comics until he got the part.

Still looking forward to UA 2 with the Black Panther
What happened to the fan search for actors to voice the parts?
Did ANYONE land a role? :confused:

Kirk G
02-22-2006, 01:27 PM
It was good, the voices are a bit...bleh. Captain America's voice is awful in the Ultimates the Captain America there so sure of himself more comandering then a boy scout. Then again I read the guy who voices Captain America did'nt even read the comics until he got the part.

Still looking forward to UA 2 with the Black Panther
What happened to the fan search for actors to voice the parts?
Did ANYONE land a role? :confused:

Korinthian
02-22-2006, 01:30 PM
There is a change in the Matrix!

J'onn J'onzz
02-22-2006, 08:01 PM
Yeah I'm not really into Ultimates but I rented the movie because I rent most comic movies and had the trivia on and learned a LOT about Ultimates.

Firemane
02-22-2006, 08:05 PM
Overall I didn`t find the movie too bad, my only real complaint was that it was too short. i should note that when i bought the movie I did it with several things in mind.
1) Pretend the Avengers never existed
2) Shakespear it isn`t

I will pick up the second Avengers and hope interest spawns more.

ednemo
02-22-2006, 08:12 PM
I am only going to comment on the review. Not too bad. Fairly short and to the point. My only problem with it, is that it gives the impression that the writer didn't care enough to do some extra research on the comic. This can come off negatively. But, all in all, as others have said in this thread, better than most of the other reviews out there.

agrich
02-22-2006, 08:58 PM
Good review.

I think it can be said that some things from the comic were eliminated deliberately. Hank's physical abuse, and the fact that the Hulk is a mass murderer. Perhaps they didn't mention what happened to the other Super Soldier candidates because of the ugly fact that they all died. While this film, and Ultimates, skews somewhat older, they still expect most of their audience to be kids, and it probably will be. So they're going to leave out some of the darker stuff so you don't have parents angry at taking their kids to a movie to discover that the Hulk is a mass murderer. I'm sure Marvel would rather deal with a smattering of annoyed Ultimates readers than a much larger group of parents who prohibit their kids from buying Hulk comics.

I'm not sure why changes from the comic to the movie bother some people so much. The movie is the movie, the comic is the comic, they're different. Adaptations don't have to be exact - sometimes it's a little boring if they're too familiar - and most importantly, your comic books haven't changed at all. I grant you there are unfortunate extremes, like the abomination that was League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, but taking certain liberties with a comic book story in the name of a good movie has worked out pretty well in a lot of cases.

SleepWalker
02-22-2006, 09:06 PM
I ejoyed it for what it was: a cartoon movie based loosely on a comic book. Overall, it was fun.

Uncensored
02-23-2006, 01:04 AM
I am only going to comment on the review. Not too bad. Fairly short and to the point. My only problem with it, is that it gives the impression that the writer didn't care enough to do some extra research on the comic. This can come off negatively. But, all in all, as others have said in this thread, better than most of the other reviews out there.

I appreciate the comments. Actually, the day after I wrote the review; I went out and bought Ultimates vol. 1: Superhuman.

Korinthian
02-23-2006, 01:27 AM
A reviewer that hasn't read the comic book beforehand is more interesting than a reviewer that has. Especially when you've already seen the movie.

Kid Kamikaze10
02-23-2006, 08:28 AM
Good review.

I think it can be said that some things from the comic were eliminated deliberately. Hank's physical abuse, and the fact that the Hulk is a mass murderer. Perhaps they didn't mention what happened to the other Super Soldier candidates because of the ugly fact that they all died. While this film, and Ultimates, skews somewhat older, they still expect most of their audience to be kids, and it probably will be. So they're going to leave out some of the darker stuff so you don't have parents angry at taking their kids to a movie to discover that the Hulk is a mass murderer. I'm sure Marvel would rather deal with a smattering of annoyed Ultimates readers than a much larger group of parents who prohibit their kids from buying Hulk comics.

I'm not sure why changes from the comic to the movie bother some people so much. The movie is the movie, the comic is the comic, they're different. Adaptations don't have to be exact - sometimes it's a little boring if they're too familiar - and most importantly, your comic books haven't changed at all. I grant you there are unfortunate extremes, like the abomination that was League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, but taking certain liberties with a comic book story in the name of a good movie has worked out pretty well in a lot of cases.

The problem was that for some people, this was like the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, or similar to it.

If I had not read the Ultimates, I would have loved the movie. But I have, and I hate the movie (I got spoiled).

Vegetarian Goat
02-23-2006, 02:25 PM
Is there something wrong with me if i liked the 90's cartoon more?

rage6839
02-23-2006, 06:28 PM
The problem I had with the movie stems from the end battle with the Hulk. I expected it to be slow because it has to go through the obligatory introductions and once I saw the run time was only 71 minutes, I knew it couldn't have that much action. Now back to my faults. Spoiler space for those who haven't seen it.
















I am pretty sure Hulk fubar'ed Giant-Man's knee pretty early but he was able to function during the rest of the fight. Maybe he had some healing ability. Also, the needle, unless made of adamantium, should not have been able to penetrate his hide. Especially by the Black Widow. She doesn't have enough strength to generate the force. Now maybe if Cap or Thor did the deed, it would have been plausible. I liked this one but have higher hopes for UA2

Kid Kamikaze10
02-23-2006, 06:30 PM
Is there something wrong with me if i liked the 90's cartoon more?

Yes and no.

Yes because it sucked.

But no because this sucked more........


I think I've had enough ranting. I'm starting to become the people I hate....

Rutsah
02-23-2006, 07:44 PM
Overall, liked the movie. Little annoying things, I wanted to see wasp get backhanded but I knew from the parental rating that that was not going to happen. I had one big problem with the Hulk fight at the end. The green meanie picked up Mjolnir. That bit of adaptation was not needed and, from my view, not wanted.

MilkManX
02-24-2006, 07:56 AM
The problem I had with the movie stems from the end battle with the Hulk. I expected it to be slow because it has to go through the obligatory introductions and once I saw the run time was only 71 minutes, I knew it couldn't have that much action. Now back to my faults. Spoiler space for those who haven't seen it.
























































I am pretty sure Hulk fubar'ed Giant-Man's knee pretty early but he was able to function during the rest of the fight. Maybe he had some healing ability. Also, the needle, unless made of adamantium, should not have been able to penetrate his hide. Especially by the Black Widow. She doesn't have enough strength to generate the force. Now maybe if Cap or Thor did the deed, it would have been plausible. I liked this one but have higher hopes for UA2


If you have the "trivia" track on it states that yes it is a Adamantium needle.

garin
02-24-2006, 09:18 AM
I had one big problem with the Hulk fight at the end. The green meanie picked up Mjolnir. That bit of adaptation was not needed and, from my view, not wanted.
Mjolnir doesn't seem to have the worthiness requirement in the Ultimate-verse, as seen in the Ultimates 2 #9.

Maximum_Carnage
02-24-2006, 04:32 PM
What happened to the fan search for actors to voice the parts?
Did ANYONE land a role? :confused:

They say in a special feature that they didn't choose anyone and decided to go with professionals. They put in try outs though :rolleyes: