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Wannabe
02-15-2006, 03:49 PM
It was amazing to say the least. It deals with time travel, so the summary is a bit difficult.
The seen with Ben in the park was especially touching. There have only been two moments in my comic reading history that have especially touched me, and that was one of them. But it looks like a great start.
Beast
02-15-2006, 03:50 PM
So... What happened in the issue? :)
Wannabe
02-15-2006, 03:56 PM
Well, alot of character work. Some really good character work to be more specific. But the main plot of the issue was the Fantastic Four goint back in time to change Ben from turning into the Thing.
When they go back to current time, Thor is president and everybody in the world has superpowers.
Tony Starkz
02-15-2006, 04:00 PM
Friggin' awesome issue.One of the best during Mark's run.
The beginning kind of lost me,but after reading on,it comes together.
Great character work with ease and no cheese.
Mike Smash!
02-15-2006, 04:48 PM
I dunno about you, but I'm slapping a "Thor for President" bumper sticker on my car.
Politics I love and I'd get to fly? I'm there.
Tony Starkz
02-15-2006, 06:58 PM
Well, alot of character work. Some really good character work to be more specific. But the main plot of the issue was the Fantastic Four goint back in time to change Ben from turning into the Thing.
When they go back to current time, Thor is president and everybody in the world has superpowers.
Yea,in other words,Reed messes up again,BIGTIME.Haha.
After a second read,I noticed the explosion at the end occured even before the team could stop it from happening.(you can see them still standing in front of the blast).
TheWolfOfAsgard
02-15-2006, 07:30 PM
So... What happened in the issue? :)
Sorry can't talk right now. Having a major moment!
ultramandingo
02-15-2006, 08:32 PM
that cop was right every time they save the day , its because they sckrewed it up in the first place . now some hippie is the prez , nick furry shoulda snaped reeds neck a long time ago.
Joe-Dono
02-16-2006, 05:30 AM
I have always been interested in the FF, would this be a good jump on point?
BizarroBeachHead
02-16-2006, 06:15 AM
This was a good issue. I've never been to huge on time travel, especially the way Millar is presenting it, but it's fun. Millar's playing around with big idea's and I'm enjoying the ride.
I kept finding myself distraced by Land's pencils though. I've finally warmed up to his Johnny, and I really like his Thing, but his Jessica Alba...I mean Sue is annoying as hell. Also, his Thor was so incredibly inconsistent. I know Land is known for photo reffrencing or whatever, but it was like he was using three different people for Thor. Thor has never looked as Femme as he does on the cover. I really like his Zombie Four though, they look great. I don't know where I stand with Land, some of his stuff looks great, but then other parts just really get to me.
drinkblatzbeer
02-16-2006, 10:37 AM
another great UFF issue...
i like how now the super skrull was also found in a tomb...
btw, does Land's Thor look anything like the wrestler kevin nash to anyone??
drinkblatzbeer
02-16-2006, 10:38 AM
I have always been interested in the FF, would this be a good jump on point?
i'd say yes...
but, with a little work, you should look to find UFF #21-up, including the annual...
Brian M.
02-16-2006, 10:59 AM
Sorry can't talk right now. Having a major moment!
Put down the Vaseline and just summarize the parts of the issue what aren't covered in Calm 'Man' Chowder.
Korinthian
02-16-2006, 03:32 PM
This issue was a joke.
Zombies and space-time continuum spiders not silly enough for you? Let's add four Reeds to the issue and another alternate world.
I'm dropping it without any regrets.
Tony Starkz
02-16-2006, 03:58 PM
This issue was a joke.
Zombies and space-time continuum spiders not silly enough for you? Let's add four Reeds to the issue and another alternate world.
I'm dropping it without any regrets.
And what would you rather read?New Avengers?
Maleficentogre
02-16-2006, 08:18 PM
he does look like kevin nash a bit. and planet of the capes was just a silly line. not sure I quite understood all that happened though.
garin
02-16-2006, 10:04 PM
I thought this was the weakest issue of Millar's run so far.
Korinthian
02-17-2006, 01:50 AM
Tony Starkz: Hell no. I'll stick to comics that targets a somewhat grown-up audience from now on.
steve2275
02-17-2006, 02:04 AM
johnny still looks like bo duke
LowMan
02-17-2006, 02:43 AM
nick furry shoulda snaped reeds neck a long time ago.
Is that even possible now? Ah, I'm sure Fury would find a way!
I really enjoyed this issue and found the stuff with Ben really good. Did think that Super Skrull suddenly appearing and being all, "NOOOOOOO!" was a bit weird.
Can't wait to see exactly how Reed has managed to screw the world up this time and how them not being the Fantastic Four has put Thor in the White House.
Be Stiff
02-17-2006, 05:01 AM
Tony Starkz: Hell no. I'll stick to comics that targets a somewhat grown-up audience from now on.
So why the **** were you buying a Fantastic Four comic in the first place? It's Marvel's go-to wierd science book. You might as well buy X-Men and expect no mutants in.
Korinthian
02-17-2006, 06:06 AM
I didn't buy it, and I'm glad.
Perhaps I was expecting some modernization since it was Ultimatized, the author sure set me straight.
drinkblatzbeer
02-17-2006, 10:15 AM
yeah, it was a bit weird but i liked it...
read any issue of the "classic" kirby/lee run and try to make perfect sense of it...
how can one book be considered classic, while the same book 30 years later with writing much more akin to our time be just as good, yet considered by some, crap?
obviously people's opinions are their own...but still...since millar took over, the FF have been something they've never been able to really recapture in the 616 marvel world, interesting!
ultimatespyder20
02-17-2006, 03:10 PM
I just this issue today through Marvel subscribtions. All I have to say is this issue was very good, I rly like the scene with the Thing in the park, man I'm rly feelin for that guy. Also I like the little apearance by the future called "Frightful Four". I'm rly liking this group, I can't wait for the next issue, I want to learn more about Super Skrull. :cool:
This issue was a joke.
Zombies and space-time continuum spiders not silly enough for you? Let's add four Reeds to the issue and another alternate world.
I'm dropping it without any regrets.
You must really hate comic books. :rolleyes:
Korinthian
02-17-2006, 03:39 PM
You must really dislike thinking before you write.
You must really dislike thinking before you write.
Really? How so?
*30 minutes later*
Doesn't seem like I'll be geting an answer even though you're online. It's tragic because a swift reply, such as that one, should atleast have something remotely substantial to back it up. ;)
Wannabe
02-17-2006, 07:27 PM
I just this issue today through Marvel subscribtions. All I have to say is this issue was very good, I rly like the scene with the Thing in the park, man I'm rly feelin for that guy.
I know. The line " I'd cut myself if I could find a razor that didn't break every time I tried" almost had me in tears.
Doom Hammer
02-17-2006, 08:44 PM
I can no longer look at the art and not think, "Hey, where'd Greg trace this from."
Stupid tracing.
Other than that, it was a cool issue. Millar's having some fun with the funky fantasy tech element of the story, which is cool.
Mike Smash!
02-17-2006, 08:46 PM
You must really dislike thinking before you write.
Really? How so?
*30 minutes later*
Doesn't seem like I'll be geting an answer even though you're online. It's tragic because a swift reply, such as that one, should atleast have something remotely substantial to back it up.
Both of you. Calm the hell down.
Lanowar
02-18-2006, 02:32 AM
I know. The line " I'd cut myself if I could find a razor that didn't break every time I tried" almost had me in tears.
It's a great line. I almost forget there's a time in FF history where The Thing hated what he had become.
So we're back to using the term Skrull? I thought they used the name Cithraui (sp?) because Millar hated the name Skrull? Not quite sure on the exact reasons though.
Powerhouse
02-18-2006, 01:35 PM
I think it's because this is a different "world" so maybe the Skrull aren't the same galaxy dominating aliens we saw in the Ultimates. Or maybe the aliens we saw in the Ultimates were an off-shoot of the Skrull race itself.
Doom Hammer
02-18-2006, 02:41 PM
Or maybe Super-Chitauri doesn't sound so good.
Joe Acro
02-18-2006, 03:43 PM
I'm tired of time travel stories that don't make sense! So, the FF travels back in time to prevent their own existence. Who's going to travel back in time to prevent their creation if they were never created in the first place?! I've encountered this problem far too often in comics...Days of Future Past, The Strange Death of Adam Warlock, Age of Apocalypse, the new Legion of Super-heroes, and recent items with the Flash. I'm tired of it.
Doom Hammer
02-18-2006, 05:29 PM
I'm tired of time travel stories that don't make sense! So, the FF travels back in time to prevent their own existence. Who's going to travel back in time to prevent their creation if they were never created in the first place?! I've encountered this problem far too often in comics...Days of Future Past, The Strange Death of Adam Warlock, Age of Apocalypse, the new Legion of Super-heroes, and recent items with the Flash. I'm tired of it.
It's a paradox. Usually, time travel creates a new reality that branches off from the old one...so instead of erasing one timeline, it creates a secondary one.
Soujaboy
02-18-2006, 06:42 PM
Im sorry, but I thinks its time to get rid of Millar, and most of the Ultimate crew except the artist. Its like they come up with the dumbest stuff, and just throw it into the comic. For example when Thing made the comment about the razor, and what not I was like wtf? It doesn't even match his character, he's suppose to be the tuff guy, and he's bithchin, and cryin? They did the same thing with Ultimate Colossus, this man comes from the Russian mob,( the largest mob in the world) and act's as if he knows nothing about anything. He should have been cold, and blunt, but no he's soft. His character doesn't match his backround by any means. The thing that got me the most though is in Ultimate X-Men 67 when Sabertooth said he was Wolverine's son. I was through, I mean it was interesting, but It's Wolverine, and Sabertooth for god's sake. Marvel has spent nearly 50 years establishing hatred between these two, and now there father, and son?
Doom Hammer
02-18-2006, 06:56 PM
Im sorry, but I thinks its time to get rid of Millar, and most of the Ultimate crew except the artist. Its like they come up with the dumbest stuff, and just throw it into the comic.
Descriptive.
For example when Thing made the comment about the razor, and what not I was like wtf? It doesn't even match his character, he's suppose to be the tuff guy, and he's bithchin, and cryin?
Ha, okay, so "tough guys" don't have feelings? That's hilarious. Ben has been shown as having a sensetive interior since issue #1 of this series, when he took Reed under his wing and protected him from bullies. What book have you been reading?
He's a tough guy, yeah, but his change in appearance has messed him up psychologically. And it's all explained in the issue, with various examples for why Ben hates himself. Try reading the subtext, especially when it's so glaring.
The thing that got me the most though is in Ultimate X-Men 67 when Sabertooth said he was Wolverine's son. I was through, I mean it was interesting, but It's Wolverine, and Sabertooth for god's sake. Marvel has spent nearly 50 years establishing hatred between these two, and now there father, and son?
1.) Wolverine has not been around for close to 50 years, nor has his rivalry with Sabretooth
2.) Did you see them hugging and kissing in UXM? No, Wolverine topped of Sabretooth's revelation by threatening to kill him
3.) The Ultimate and Marvel Universes are seperate, so what's happened in the MU has no bearing on the UU. Wolverine can be Sabretooth's father, and nothing in the MU contradicts that, because it's totally different
Soujaboy
02-18-2006, 07:22 PM
So why use the same character names, and basically same backrounds? if they want it to be so diffrent dont change characters we have already learned to love create new one's.
Doom Hammer
02-18-2006, 07:58 PM
So why use the same character names, and basically same backrounds? if they want it to be so diffrent dont change characters we have already learned to love create new one's.
So why read the Ultimate line if you don't want to read new, modern interpretations of Marvel characters? That's what it's all about.
The Ultimate line does not alter the characters you love, you can read those in any number of Marvel monthlies. But your argument is pretty much groundless; there's no reason that Ultimate characters can't be different. And plus, how is Ben Grimm not sensetive in the MU? Ultimate Ben Grimm is hardly different from MU Ben Grimm at all.
Joe Acro
02-18-2006, 08:47 PM
It's a paradox. Usually, time travel creates a new reality that branches off from the old one...so instead of erasing one timeline, it creates a secondary one.
Sure, Days of Future Past worked sort of that way, but The Strange Death of Adam Warlock, the Age of Apocalypse, and the recent Flash items didn't. Neither is Ultimate FF acting in this manner. The comic is treating what they did like, "They've traveled back in time and changed the course of history." Much like Warlock did to make Magus and his influence disappear from reality. Much like the heroes of the AoA world having to ban together to change reality back to normal. Much like how the Flash was able to have his secret identity kept hidden via the mystical wonder of The Spectre. Much like House of M. These stories didn't diverge from the regular timestream and make their own timestream; they rewrote the timestream and, in a couple of them, wrote it back.
Korinthian
02-19-2006, 01:44 AM
God, this just cements my belief that time-traveling in comics is dumb.
God, this just cements my belief that time-traveling in comics is dumb.
In contrast to people dressing in colorful costumes, fight crime everyday and save the world from a swarm of space bugs bent on destroying the world? :rolleyes:
Korinthian
02-19-2006, 01:59 AM
Absolutely.
Affinity
02-19-2006, 08:24 AM
This issue took me six reads to finally get right---that beginning scene was just so mind numbing, man. But I smirked when I finally got it.
I feel really bad for Ben, but that's too much. And that last page----couldn't they have thrown in some cute cameos with the costumes? I understand why not, though.
Land's pencils are really pretty! He's doing a great job---I wanna see him on more books.
I was pissed at the Ultimate Skrull thing, but then I realized it's the same old Mark Millar. So that makes it okay.
Doom Hammer
02-19-2006, 01:57 PM
Neither is Ultimate FF acting in this manner. The comic is treating what they did like, "They've traveled back in time and changed the course of history."
In one timestream, The FF went back in time to change history. It did not STOP their "real" timestream from existing, but it did create a new one which current replaces the "real" timestream. Yeah, it's loopy and wierd. I want to see how it turns out, though.
Much like House of M. These stories didn't diverge from the regular timestream and make their own timestream; they rewrote the timestream and, in a couple of them, wrote it back.
House of M did not involve time-travel. The whole thing was basically an elaborate, supernatural illusion created by the Scarlet Witch, which is why Hawkeye could see through the House of M "reality"
Or something. :D
TJ Shoun
02-19-2006, 11:01 PM
Ultimate Johnny's a prick.
Yeah, the 616 versions always played practical jokes on each other -- and Johnny would rib Ben about his appearance...
...but I can't recall a time when the 616 Johnny ever purposefully humiliated Ben in public in that kind of manner.
What an asshole.
TheWolfOfAsgard
02-19-2006, 11:17 PM
Ultimate Johnny's a prick.
Yeah, the 616 versions always played practical jokes on each other -- and Johnny would rib Ben about his appearance...
...but I can't recall a time when the 616 Johnny ever purposefully humiliated Ben in public in that kind of manner.
What an asshole.
I loved Thor's attitude to him.
nateslate8
02-20-2006, 12:16 AM
God, this just cements my belief that time-traveling in comics is dumb.
Man, Korinthian. You preach on some soapboxes that I just don't get. What do you do for fun? I mean why even read superhero comics if you're just going to groan about them all day long?
So, a super genius like Reed Richards can invent things that eventually turn him and his family into what they are, but he can't invent a time machine? Wait... he can invent a time machine, but to do so would be just plain stupid, so why should he? Yet him inventing other dangerous and mysterious things isn't stupid?
Besides, I thought the essence of the FF was time travelling, dimension hopping, space exploring, monster battling craziness. If I'm wrong about that, then what is the FF all about?
As far as Millar being on the book, dude, Warren Ellis's run was booorrring. Twelve issues and only two stories. Millar, on the other hand, is what is keeping me from dropping this title. He has brought back the crazy fun aspect of the FF.
Korinthian
02-20-2006, 08:15 AM
What do you do for fun?
Among other things I read much better comic books. Reading UFF would actually make me laugh if it was not a part of the Ultimate Universe, though.
However I do understand that you are annoyed because I think your favorite comic book is crap. But that's life on a forum
... especially if you like Ultimate Fantastic Four.
Bashful Benjamin
02-20-2006, 09:11 AM
Ben in the Miranda dress was just awesome.
Didn´t know if I should laugh or cry. Johnny´s such an @$$#o!€...
Among other things I read much better comic books. Reading UFF would actually make me laugh if it was not a part of the Ultimate Universe, though.
Yes, because UXM and USM has set new standards in realism in comicbooks. You accept space bugs (aka Gah Lak Tus) but can't stumach spacetime spiders?
Naturally. You're entitled to your opinion, but you're most definitively in the minority and your arguments hold no water in an actual debate. I'd tell you where you can shove your elitist attitude, but I'll probably get banned for a week/month/whatever.
Mike Smash!
02-20-2006, 10:27 AM
Korinthian, Exo. Please take it down a notch or I might have to give you both a couple of days off from the boards.
Tony Starkz
02-20-2006, 11:10 AM
I see Ultimate F4 as the superior monthly Ultimate title over UXM annd USM.Millar does so much in 3 issues than Bendis tries to do in 5 or 6.
TJ Shoun
02-20-2006, 02:32 PM
I loved Thor's attitude to him.
Which he deserved.
The guy's such a jerk he's writing down a recipe for hangover-less beer from a vampire that tried to eat his brains just a few issues back.
Good going matchstick. :confused:
Y'know the 616 Johnny could be an irritating dumbass on occasion, be he was still endearing enough so that I actually liked him, especially during the DeFalco era.
This one's just an idiot with crappy hair.
Harold of the Rocks
02-20-2006, 02:44 PM
Which he deserved.
The guy's such a jerk he's writing down a recipe for hangover-less beer from a vampire that tried to eat his brains just a few issues back.
Good going matchstick. :confused:
Y'know the 616 Johnny could be an irritating dumbass on occasion, be he was still endearing enough so that I actually liked him, especially during the DeFalco era.
This one's just an idiot with crappy hair.I happen to like the jerk's hair.
Just sayin'...
BizarroBeachHead
02-20-2006, 04:42 PM
So, a super genius like Reed Richards can invent things that eventually turn him and his family into what they are, but he can't invent a time machine? Wait... he can invent a time machine, but to do so would be just plain stupid, so why should he? Yet him inventing other dangerous and mysterious things isn't stupid?
Besides, I thought the essence of the FF was time travelling, dimension hopping, space exploring, monster battling craziness. If I'm wrong about that, then what is the FF all about?
While I am enjoying UFF a lot, I do agree with Korinthian that time traveling stories are generally stupid. I don't like the way Millar is using time travel at all. It was kind of funny as a little throw away moment at the begining of the crossover arc, but I don't like the idea of them frequently traveling through time. Time traveling is a big deal and Millar is just kind of throwing it around like it's nothing. Aside from all the paradox's it would cause, it just becomes ridiculous that they just have a time machine sitting around for special occasions. If Namor was that much of a problem, why didn't they just use the time machine to prevent themselves from digging himself up, why don't they go back in time and warn everybody about Gah Lak Tus, etc.?
If they have to have a time machine, I would have liked to have been given a story where Reed invents it, and for there to be some more intrinsic risks involved in using it. I don't like the idea of it just sitting around with the rest of Reed's throw away inventions, waiting to be used.
I don't like the idea of it just sitting around with the rest of Reed's throw away inventions, waiting to be used.
Add Reeds dimensional warp and his magic helmet to the equation. It's these things that make FF, you can't look past the crazy stuff. But I don't think readers would be pleased with Millar if he had FF jump back through time and space whenever some danger decended down to earth.
I read comics because the story is entertaining, not because it grasps everyday logic "perfectly". If Millar can use time-travel in order to tell a good story, then I'm all for it.
Dan Apodaca
02-21-2006, 01:03 AM
Ultimate Johnny's a prick.
Yeah, the 616 versions always played practical jokes on each other -- and Johnny would rib Ben about his appearance...
...but I can't recall a time when the 616 Johnny ever purposefully humiliated Ben in public in that kind of manner.
What an asshole.
Wait, wait, wait. Are you telling me that the Ultimate version is different from the MU version?
Who ever would have guessed?
BizarroBeachHead
02-21-2006, 06:34 AM
I read comics because the story is entertaining, not because it grasps everyday logic "perfectly". If Millar can use time-travel in order to tell a good story, then I'm all for it.I agree, if the story is entertaining, then I can go with it, which as I said, is why I do enjoy the book.
Add Reeds dimensional warp and his magic helmet to the equation. It's these things that make FF, you can't look past the crazy stuff. But I don't think readers would be pleased with Millar if he had FF jump back through time and space whenever some danger decended down to earth.
Again I agree, the Fantastic Four are all about crazy science fiction before super heroics. I do think it's important to remember that the Ultimate Fantastic Four aren't the same as the regular Fantastic Four. One of the stapes of the Ultimate universe is more realism and science fiction edge, as opposed to spandexy fantasy superheros. I feel that Millar isn't giving us science fiction as much as he's giving us high fantasy. So far, Millar's run has thrown out dozens of crazy ideas and devices, that seemingly offer no importance other than being impressive. Now like I said, I do enjoy this book, and I do enjoy Millar's fantasy ideas, but I think they take away some of sci-fi realism that Ellis put into the book, as well as the from the underlying basis for the Ultimate line. I would like to see more science fiction in Millars run. Decompressed though they may be, I think that Ellis handles the "realistic" science fiction better than Millar in both his arcs as well as in his Gah Lak Tus trilogy.
Then again, it's all comics. Even though this was the weakest issue for me so far, I have thoroughly enjoyed Millars run, and can't wait for the explosion of an ending.
Brian888
02-23-2006, 06:10 PM
Oh, man. This issue was heartbreaking. Poor Ben. :(
I, for one, can't wait to see how the Frightful Four bust out of prison. I doubly can't wait to see how they manage not to infect the entire planet.
Tre Styles
02-24-2006, 03:05 PM
Im sorry, but I thinks its time to get rid of Millar, and most of the Ultimate crew except the artist. Its like they come up with the dumbest stuff, and just throw it into the comic. For example when Thing made the comment about the razor, and what not I was like wtf? It doesn't even match his character, he's suppose to be the tuff guy, and he's bithchin, and cryin?
I just picked up Ultimate FF with the last issue, and this one, so I don't have a whole lot to draw on, but the whole thing with the Ultimate Universe is that it is a parallell of the 616 Universe, not exactly the same. HOWEVER, that being said, Thing's sensitivity to what he has become has always been a part of the 616 character, so it wasn't a surprise to see it here. I think it is very consistent with the core character of the Thing, bringing the whole "suicidal" angle makes it more real, imo.
They did the same thing with Ultimate Colossus, this man comes from the Russian mob,( the largest mob in the world) and act's as if he knows nothing about anything. He should have been cold, and blunt, but no he's soft. His character doesn't match his backround by any means.
The thing that got me the most though is in Ultimate X-Men 67 when Sabertooth said he was Wolverine's son. I was through, I mean it was interesting, but It's Wolverine, and Sabertooth for god's sake. Marvel has spent nearly 50 years establishing hatred between these two, and now there father, and son?[/QUOTE]
Again, the Ultimate universe is not held to the 50 year + established continuity of the 616 Universe, it's supposed to be similar sticking with the core of the characters, but not a exact carbon copy. For example, Peter (Colossus) has always been a sensitive artist, but can throw down when he's fighting. Ultimate Colossus can still throw down, even though he's showing his softer side, that's because they aren't fighting anyone at the moment. It's during his downtime. It's called characterization.The Sabretooth as Wolvie's son angle was interesting because in the 616 for the longest time it was suggested that Wolverine was actually Sabe's son. But again, everything is not going to be just how it was in the "normal" universe.
WoodenDummy
02-24-2006, 05:08 PM
Im sorry, but I thinks its time to get rid of Millar, and most of the Ultimate crew except the artist. Its like they come up with the dumbest stuff, and just throw it into the comic. For example when Thing made the comment about the razor, and what not I was like wtf? It doesn't even match his character, he's suppose to be the tuff guy, and he's bithchin, and cryin? They did the same thing with Ultimate Colossus, this man comes from the Russian mob,( the largest mob in the world) and act's as if he knows nothing about anything. He should have been cold, and blunt, but no he's soft. His character doesn't match his backround by any means. The thing that got me the most though is in Ultimate X-Men 67 when Sabertooth said he was Wolverine's son. I was through, I mean it was interesting, but It's Wolverine, and Sabertooth for god's sake. Marvel has spent nearly 50 years establishing hatred between these two, and now there father, and son?
Without meaning to sound rude, I really think the whole point as to why a lot of people read the Ult Marvel has just blown right over your head.
Korinthian
02-24-2006, 05:21 PM
Yeah, if I understand it right, people read Ultimate FF because they want the same time-traveling, zombie-discovering, dimension-hopping, "crazy" science fiction scientists that they have been since the sixties, but this time they are teenagers!
Big Whoop (not the treasure).
Tony Starkz
02-24-2006, 06:04 PM
Yeah, if I understand it right, people read Ultimate FF because they want the same time-traveling, zombie-discovering, dimension-hopping, "crazy" science fiction scientists that they have been since the sixties, but this time they are teenagers!
Big Whoop (not the treasure).
It's simply a fresh take by one the industry's best writers on a beloved property.It's as simple as that.I for one don't crave time-travel and different earths and what not or else I would be reading Infinite Crisis.Millar puts the characters forefront and doesn't use the different sci-fi aspects to wear the story down or impress the reader.
Korinth buddy,what else is on your pull-list?I really want to know what else you're reading because if you're calling this book crap,I want to see what better books are out there.
Tony Starkz
02-24-2006, 06:05 PM
I just picked up Ultimate FF with the last issue, and this one, so I don't have a whole lot to draw on, but the whole thing with the Ultimate Universe is that it is a parallell of the 616 Universe, not exactly the same. HOWEVER, that being said, Thing's sensitivity to what he has become has always been a part of the 616 character, so it wasn't a surprise to see it here. I think it is very consistent with the core character of the Thing, bringing the whole "suicidal" angle makes it more real, imo.
The thing that got me the most though is in Ultimate X-Men 67 when Sabertooth said he was Wolverine's son. I was through, I mean it was interesting, but It's Wolverine, and Sabertooth for god's sake. Marvel has spent nearly 50 years establishing hatred between these two, and now there father, and son?
Again, the Ultimate universe is not held to the 50 year + established continuity of the 616 Universe, it's supposed to be similar sticking with the core of the characters, but not a exact carbon copy. For example, Peter (Colossus) has always been a sensitive artist, but can throw down when he's fighting. Ultimate Colossus can still throw down, even though he's showing his softer side, that's because they aren't fighting anyone at the moment. It's during his downtime. It's called characterization.The Sabretooth as Wolvie's son angle was interesting because in the 616 for the longest time it was suggested that Wolverine was actually Sabe's son. But again, everything is not going to be just how it was in the "normal" universe.[/QUOTE]
Totally hear you.The whole Wolvie/Sabes thing has no shock value anymore and it's just old ground being covered again.
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