X-Men: Deadly Genesis # 4 - SPOILERS!!!

[Nick Kal]

Basically, Xavier convinces Moira to let him talk to Darwin, Sway, Petra and Kid Vulcan, or Vulcan, about saving the X-Men over with Krakoa. Wolverine, Beast & Kurt discover this through Moira's tape that the now dead Banshee was delivering.

Scott & Rachel escape because Vulcan has let them free, apparently. Scott kind of remembers where they are at.

Flashback to Moira's Students training and eventually Charles asks them to help and they agree to become X-Men. Charles trains them through his telepathy on the Mindscape, where they get months of training in hours.

Moira says something about Charles always having a special interest in Vulcan and he says something to him that Moira says if she would have known about she would have never let her kids go to save the X-Men.

Then back to Rachel and Scott reading a sign that says Muir-MacTaggert...

Scott says he was there before and Vulcan flies down, looking super cool, imo, and says you can't remember because Charles wiped stuff from your brain, so you couldn't remember your long-lost brother... and the X-Men left us for dead!

Back up is Kid Vulcan's story.. I don't want to spoil that too much cause I thought it was soooo good, but I think he may have lived with the Shi'ar on their planet. Do Shi'ar have feathered hair? That may be where his Uncanny arc heads.

Okay, discuss!

[Brian M.]

That sounds great. Please explain the back up story to Vulcan. Use spoiler tags if you must, I really want to know.

[Nick Kal]

Basically he has no memory of his past but Xavier helps him recover them and they start to come back in nightmares and one nightmare that he wants no one to know about is when his powers first appeared... and buy it to know the rest.

[Brian M.]

Basically he has no memory of his past but Xavier helps him recover them and they start to come back in nightmares and one nightmare that he wants no one to know about is when his powers first appeared... and buy it to know the rest.

LOL well thanks, I gotta wait till Friday when I get paid. Thanks for all that though.

[McJoe]

Charles trains them through his telepathy on the Mindscape, where they get months of training in hours.Was that before or after they entered the Matrix? ;)

Man, between Deadly Genesis and the Danger arc of AXM, Xavier's rep sure seems to be taking a beating lately. It will be interesting to see how/if he redeems himself for his actions.

[Hi-Fi]

Wow. Sounds great!! I'm loving Deadly Genesis so far...Thanks for the spoilers!

[Tag06]

Basically he has no memory of his past but Xavier helps him recover them and they start to come back in nightmares and one nightmare that he wants no one to know about is when his powers first appeared... and buy it to know the rest.

Do you know his real name like *bobby* Summers or something.

[xmanson]

Corsair son with a Shiar "woman"?

He's like, 16 now?

Speculation, of course.

[Firemane]

Speculation;













Is it possible he was the cause of the summers plane crashing?

[Keith_Martineau]

Oh snap. Even if that isn't what it ends up being, thats a damn good idea.

[Brian M.]

I'd always wondered why the Shi'ar plane came to the Summer's Plane. Was that ever explained other then, chance?

[Nick Kal]

His real name is Gabriel.

[xmanson]

Speculation;













Is it possible he was the cause of the summers plane crashing?

If he is the third Summers brother (the lamest of plots), Corsair must been pounding some alien ass while still with his family fot that to happen. Unless he's even older than Scott (the lamest of characters).

Does Emma show any reaction to Banshee's death beyond "ohh" ???

[The Lucky One]

If he is the third Summers brother (the lamest of plots), Corsair must been pounding some alien ass while still with his family fot that to happen. Unless he's even older than Scott (the coolest of characters).

The standard theory is that he's not an actual Summers; what Sinister actually said, back in the day, was that he was keeping an eye on Scott's brothers, not "the other Summers brothers." Kate Summers was held captive as a concubine for the mad Shi'ar emperor D'Ken for an undisclosed number of months before Corsair came to rescue her, so the most likely theory is that Vulcan is Scott's half-brother by his mother and D'Ken. Back when Adam X was going to be the third brother, it was mentioned that he was the son of D'Ken and "an undisclosed human woman."

-D

[xmanson]

The standard theory is that he's not an actual Summers; what Sinister actually said, back in the day, was that he was keeping an eye on Scott's brothers, not "the other Summers brothers." Kate Summers was held captive as a concubine for the mad Shi'ar emperor D'Ken for an undisclosed number of months before Corsair came to rescue her, so the most likely theory is that Vulcan is Scott's half-brother by his mother and D'Ken. Back when Adam X was going to be the third brother, it was mentioned that he was the son of D'Ken and "an undisclosed human woman."

-D


But D'Ken was on earth for that time? Didn't Corair meet the Shiar for the first time AFTER the plane crash? how I hate this "plot". Like we need another one from the losers offspring.

[Beast]

His real name is Gabriel.
Ugh. Horrible name, someone other than the Summers family must have named him.

[TheWolfOfAsgard]

Ugh. Horrible name, someone other than the Summers family must have named him.


Chris Claremont perhaps.:p


Seriously though...get it..Gabriel..from the heavens (space)......ahh never mind....

[xmanson]

Ugh. Horrible name, someone other than the Summers family must have named him.


How about Mary Sue Summers?


Luvvvvvvv itx LOLLLLZZZ.

[Beast]

How about Mary Sue Summers?


Luvvvvvvv itx LOLLLLZZZ.
That would fit what he is better than Gabriel. ;) :D

[The Lucky One]

But D'Ken was on earth for that time? Didn't Corair meet the Shiar for the first time AFTER the plane crash?

No, D'Ken was never on Earth to the best of my knowledge. The standard theory (and again, since I'm not reading DG, this is just based on what was presumed about Adam X when he was going to be Scott's other brother) is that D'Ken raped Kate Summers, she eventually gave birth, then (as seen in the comics) was killed when Corsair tried to rescue her. From what I'm hearing, it sounds like Vulcan looks to be part Shi'ar, which suggests the same origin might still be the case, just for him instead of Adam X. What's not clear is -- if that IS the case -- how Vulcan got back to Earth.

-D

[xmanson]

No, D'Ken was never on Earth to the best of my knowledge. The standard theory (and again, since I'm not reading DG, this is just based on what was presumed about Adam X when he was going to be Scott's other brother) is that D'Ken raped Kate Summers, she eventually gave birth, then (as seen in the comics) was killed when Corsair tried to rescue her. From what I'm hearing, it sounds like Vulcan looks to be part Shi'ar, which suggests the same origin might still be the case, just for him instead of Adam X. What's not clear is -- if that IS the case -- how Vulcan got back to Earth.

-D

How old were Scott and Alex when the crash happened aroun 10-ish?? That theory would make both Vulcan or X-Treme to be like 15-17 yeasr old, since the other s are not supposed to be in their thirties, I assume. Of course, they coud age faster, but still...

[Bishop_Proudstar]

Was that before or after they entered the Matrix? ;)

Man, between Deadly Genesis and the Danger arc of AXM, Xavier's rep sure seems to be taking a beating lately. It will be interesting to see how/if he redeems himself for his actions.

What next? Xavier being involved in The Weapon X/+ Program to improve books sales and create this hype for writers?

:D

I can imagine Wolverine's path of revenge leading back towards Xavier's.

[Unkillable Cat]

Haven't read this issue yet, but it sounds nice so far.

Except for the Gabriel thing. And something else, too.

In X-Men 23, the issue that started all this "third Summers brothers" business, Mr. Sinister says that he doesn't want anything to happen to Scott or his brothers because of the Legacy virus.

Why is he concerned that a virus can infect someone who is currently dead and in orbit around Earth?

Unless, of course, he wasn't dead, but what was he then? Trying to beat Rip Wan Winkle's record?

[Beast]

What next? Xavier being involved in The Weapon X/+ Program to improve books sales and create this hype for writers?

:D

I can imagine Wolverine's path of revenge leading back towards Xavier's.
Well, they already revealed that Weapon X had three possible canidates for the program, I believe it was in Morrison's New X-Men. Erik Lensherr, Charles Xavier, and James Howlett. :)

[Bishop_Proudstar]

Chris Claremont perhaps.:p


Seriously though...get it..Gabriel..from the heavens (space)......ahh never mind....

Cute.

Blame CC for everything... Even the works of the new writer.

:rolleyes:

No hope for The X-Men.

CC's programming the new writers, and he ruined The X-men after 1980.

[Beast]

Haven't read this issue yet, but it sounds nice so far.

Except for the Gabriel thing. And something else, too.

In X-Men 23, the issue that started all this "third Summers brothers" business, Mr. Sinister says that he doesn't want anything to happen to Scott or his brothers because of the Legacy virus.

Why is he concerned that a virus can infect someone who is currently dead and in orbit around Earth?

Unless, of course, he wasn't dead, but what was he then? Trying to beat Rip Wan Winkle's record?
Or there's more than the one so-called 'brother'. Which explains Adam X and Gambit in X-Men: The End.
And yes, I know that X-Men: The End isn't canon. But any of the flashback reveal stuff has a much higher chance of eventually coming into canon. In fact, Mike Marts teased about that.

[Bishop_Proudstar]

Oh snap. Even if that isn't what it ends up being, thats a damn good idea.


lol!

No.


So, that would mean that D'Ken attempted to save The Summers for...

Plus, he's a "feather-head".

[TheWolfOfAsgard]

Cute.

Blame CC for everything... Even the works of the new writer.

:rolleyes:

No hope for The X-Men.

CC's programming the new writers, and he ruined The X-men after 1980.


That was actually a joke for Beast. Not in general.

[Brian M.]

Gambit technically isn't a brother of the Summers. He's just got some of their DNA in him. He's a clone.

[Beast]

Gambit technically isn't a brother of the Summers. He's just got some of their DNA in him. He's a clone.
Oh, I know. But Sinister did refer to him as Scott's 'Brother'. :)

[The Lucky One]

How old were Scott and Alex when the crash happened aroun 10-ish?? That theory would make both Vulcan or X-Treme to be like 15-17 yeasr old, since the other s are not supposed to be in their thirties, I assume. Of course, they coud age faster, but still...

I can't remember, but I wanna say about 8 for Scott, 6 for Alex. Cyclops is currently 27 or 28, so Vulcan would be about 18-20 now, which would mean he was only 13-15 when asked by Xavier to be on X-Men 1.5. It's possible if Chuck was desperate, though a little unlikely.

-D

[Bishop_Proudstar]

Haven't read this issue yet, but it sounds nice so far.

Except for the Gabriel thing. And something else, too.

In X-Men 23, the issue that started all this "third Summers brothers" business, Mr. Sinister says that he doesn't want anything to happen to Scott or his brothers because of the Legacy virus.

Why is he concerned that a virus can infect someone who is currently dead and in orbit around Earth?

Unless, of course, he wasn't dead, but what was he then? Trying to beat Rip Wan Winkle's record?

Wow.

Looks like nobody is reading the "back issues" in The Marvel Library.

[Speculation]

Maybe Sinister hoped to awaken this guy at some point.

[Bishop_Proudstar]

Oh, I know. But Sinister did refer to him as Scott's 'Brother'. :)

Sinister said "brothers" (plural)


How many? He never said. They were interrupted by The Dark Riders.
(a nice opening to add even more in the future.. ).

Well, he's not in "Stryfe's Strike Files" so I guess Apocalypse and Stryfe never knew.

[fishtaco]

ugh. Brubaker should have just used Adam X. I wonder how Fabian feels about all this.

[Brian M.]

Why? Adam X is a boring character. This one is atleast interesting. If Fabian wanted to do something with it he would have.

[Keith_Martineau]

Well, having not read the book yet, my theory would be that he's younger than Scott and Alex, but is a legitimate child of Christopher and his wife.

The idea here is that there have been mind wipes (the official overused concept for 2005!)

My theory is that he was on the plane, his powers woke up and caused the plane crash. Corsair put Scott and Alex in a parachute and tossed'm out, but this here Gabriel kid was still on the plane, and when the Shi'Ar took them, Corsair's wife was put into D'Ken's harem, Corsair became Corair...and...uh..something happened to the kid so he was raised on a Shi'Ar world? And then Xavier had Corsair bring him back?

Okay, so I don't know enough about that piece of history in order to put the pieces together myself, and after typing it out that does sound fairly bad...so...since I won't be able to read it for awhile, and because I don't give a damn about spoilers, would someone please just tell us what F'n happens?!

[nightw1ng]

i think the simplest origin is that the mother was pregnant with Gabriel at the time the parents were abducted. he was born and raised on a Shi'ar world and then somehow made it back to Earth.

also, did they explain exactly what kind of powers Vulcan has? it's been pretty ambiguous so far.

btw, i actually like the name Gabriel.

[Hi-Fi]

ugh. Brubaker should have just used Adam X. I wonder how Fabian feels about all this.

I don't know about Fabian, but I feel relieved.

[Keith_Martineau]

ugh. Brubaker should have just used Adam X. I wonder how Fabian feels about all this.

PROBABLY something along the lines of "you know, if I'd just TOLD the story, instead of dragging it out forever so that it wasn't resolved when I left...then this wouldn't be happening right now."

[nightw1ng]

PROBABLY something along the lines of "you know, if I'd just TOLD the story, instead of dragging it out forever so that it wasn't resolved when I left...then this wouldn't be happening right now."
actually, editorial shot down his Adam-X story line half way thru so he wasn't able to tell his story. he didn't drag it out. Fabian probably doesn't really care too much. in the world of comics, you probably get used to your ideas being canceled or changed.

[static]

ill take Vulcan or Gambit over the lame-ass adam X...it would seem that the last issue is going to go along way to explaining Vulcans parentage and story as well as what happened to the other members of the team. i love the idea of Xavier recruiting a team of teenagers (how old was iceman when they recruited him?) to save his precious Xmen!!!!! it fits perfectly with his history of trowing superpowered kids out to get their asses handed to them ! honestly it does! this guy should be in jail for life for the child abuse he has perpetrated!!!

[The Lucky One]

it fits perfectly with his history of trowing superpowered kids out to get their asses handed to them ! honestly it does! this guy should be in jail for life for the child abuse he has perpetrated!!!

Extraordinary times call for extraordinary measures. Armies in the past have drafted children as young as 12 or 13 to fight and die for their countries. While I personally feel that the age of 18 is appropriate for our country and the world we live in, there are extenuating factors as well. If I'm in charge of a life-and-death mission and you give me the option of two recruits, a regular, ordinary 25-year-old and a 16-year-old who's fast and agile enough to dodge bullets, I'll take the kid 10 times out of 10, and you can bring me up on charges later.

But covering it up, ah, now there's the morally abhorrent part.

-D

[streator]

i assumed vulcan to be older than scott and alex. not sure why, though.

/sounds like another good issue.

[Keith_Martineau]

actually, editorial shot down his Adam-X story line half way thru so he wasn't able to tell his story. he didn't drag it out. Fabian probably doesn't really care too much. in the world of comics, you probably get used to your ideas being canceled or changed.

I stand corrected.

[Beast]

i assumed vulcan to be older than scott and alex. not sure why, though.

/sounds like another good issue.
No, it seems to state that he's younger. But Xavier says there's something off about his age. I assume he may have had some growth acceleration when in the Shi'ar Nursery. :)

[Will.S]

Ugh. Horrible name, someone other than the Summers family must have named him.
Heh it's just a name and it's not that bad really.

Boy Beast, you're certainly critical with the names :p

[TheWolfOfAsgard]

Heh it's just a name and I didn't think it's bad or anything.

Boy Beast, you're certainly critical with the names :P


heh......Boy BEast...I'm gonna start using that for him........

[Beast]

Heh it's just a name and it's not that bad really.

Boy Beast, you're certainly critical with the names :p
So what? I can like the character and hate the name.
I'm not a huge fan of the name 'Barnell Bohusk' but I adore the character. :)

[Beast]

heh......Boy BEast...I'm gonna start using that for him........
Yeah, and I'll start putting you on ignore. Don't push me, handsome. :p

[Keith_Martineau]

Whats wrong with Gabriel? Biblical name.
I've KNOWN people named Gabe and Gabriel. Whats so bad about it? Why is it nobody can be happy with anything?

What should he be named? Steve? Phil? Rod? Jim Jo-Jo Bob?

[Callie]

Chip, of course.

[fishtaco]

Whats wrong with Gabriel? Biblical name.
I've KNOWN people named Gabe and Gabriel. Whats so bad about it? Why is it nobody can be happy with anything?

What should he be named? Steve? Phil? Rod? Jim Jo-Jo Bob?I don't have a problem with the name. I guess I like it.

[moebius]

i think the simplest origin is that the mother was pregnant with Gabriel at the time the parents were abducted. he was born and raised on a Shi'ar world and then somehow made it back to Earth.

also, did they explain exactly what kind of powers Vulcan has? it's been pretty ambiguous so far.

btw, i actually like the name Gabriel.


I think this is correct out of all the theories I've heard.

1. Chip refers to Scott as "big brother."
2. Xavier remarks to Moira that he thinks someone has tampered with Chip's genes (ie he was quick-aged).
3. The opening shots ar Chip in an artificial womb, which is not far-fetched for an advanced species.
4. Chip spent time on a Shiar world, so it looks like Mrs. Summers was pregnant when the plane was captured.
5. Since she spent some time as a slave before she was killed, both Chip and Adam X could have shared parents with Scott, though Scott's dad seems to be the one that's more important genetically (See Further Adventures of Cyclops and Pheonix).

The big question is: A year passed between Chip escaping and being found in New York. How did he get home?

Oh, and I thought this was a much stronger issue than the last one. Much more plot movement and very strong art. And the Mindscape was a great idea. This plus Daredevil makes a great weak for Brubaker.

[Wannabe]

Do you think the other member of Moiras students survived? Because I'd really like to see some more of them.

[Beast]

Do you think the other member of Moiras students survived? Because I'd really like to see some more of them.
Doubtful. It's pretty clear that Kid Vulcan seems to have the combined powers of the other three. Plus we saw at least one skeleton on the surface of the lump of Krakoa Poo that 'Chip Summers' came out out of. :)

[Brian M.]

Doubtful. It's pretty clear that Kid Vulcan seems to have the combined powers of the other three. Plus we saw at least one skeleton on the surface of the lump of Krakoa Poo that 'Chip Summers' came out out of. :)

Maybe I've missed this but where does it say he has the combined powers of the others? I though he was kinda a TK.

[Beast]

Maybe I've missed this but where does it say he has the combined powers of the others? I though he was kinda a TK.
No, he was stated to be an energy manipulator. But look at the last few issues.

Petra - A giant hand of earth grabbed the crashing shuttle, and there was an opening in the rocks that Cyclops, Wolverine and Marvel Girl found when they examined the crash site of the shuttle.

I'd have to grab the other issues to find instances for the other two. But they are there. :)

[Jake V]

Maybe I've missed this but where does it say he has the combined powers of the others? I though he was kinda a TK.
On his own, Vulcan should have powers of simple energy manipulation.

But now that he woke up on Krakoa, in space, he's shown the ability to survive in a vacuum (darwin), the ability to create a hand out of the earth to catch the space shuttle (petra) and these "ghosts" of the past that are haunting the X-Men (sway) look like they've been generated by Vulcan.

So yeah, I think he has all of their powers now.

[Beast]

On his own, Vulcan should have powers of simple energy manipulation.

But now that he woke up on Krakoa, in space, he's shown the ability to survive in a vacuum (darwin), the ability to create a hand out of the earth to catch the space shuttle (petra) and these "ghosts" of the past that are haunting the X-Men (sway) look like they've been generated by Vulcan.

So yeah, I think he has all of their powers now.
Thanks Jake V, I was blanking on the other examples. Take a Twinkie out of Petty Cash. :D

[Brian M.]

OOOOOOOOOOH well that shuts me up. Thanks folks.

[Callie]

Finally got to read the issue.

I found it very interesting. Really liked the backstory. I think the Katherine was pregnant theory sounds the most plausible. She and Corsair may not have even known about it, and the Shi'ar sneakily plucked Gabe from her womb. The comment about the age being off would then make sense. Scott was about 8 and Alex was 4 when the plane went down? So Scott would be 8 years older at least, but they looked separated by only a few years in the backstory.

I'm not sure if I like the fact that Xavier utterly screwed up and left a team to die. Since Cyclops didn't lead the 1.5 team into battle, he would've only encountered them on Krakoa. Maybe Krakoa released him to go lure the others in. And then when Scott somehow got onto the plane (heroic sacrifice on Vulcan's part?) to go for help, Xavier misinterpreted seeing Vulcan die and decided the best thing to do was wipe Scott's knowledge of the entire incident? Thereby, sealing the deaths of the 1.5 team since Scott would no longer remember them...

I don't know how Xavier is going to be redeemed when they find him. Marvel is trying to tear him down every chance they get.

[Chiasm]

This issue leaves me more confident that Uncanny is in good hands.

I wish that somehow the lost X-men could be found alive as they all seem like very interesting characters. But I imagine they are dead.

And I love that Xavier is being shown to be the ruthless bastard he is. I don't see him ever recovering from this unless he again mindwipes everyone.

[Cayman]

This mini is back on track after the very disappointing second and third issues. The art was taken up a notch and the characters became recognizable again. Good issue.

Cay

[Bishop_Proudstar]

Well, having not read the book yet, my theory would be that he's younger than Scott and Alex, but is a legitimate child of Christopher and his wife.

The idea here is that there have been mind wipes (the official overused concept for 2005!)

My theory is that he was on the plane, his powers woke up and caused the plane crash. Corsair put Scott and Alex in a parachute and tossed'm out, but this here Gabriel kid was still on the plane, and when the Shi'Ar took them, Corsair's wife was put into D'Ken's harem, Corsair became Corair...and...uh..something happened to the kid so he was raised on a Shi'Ar world? And then Xavier had Corsair bring him back?

Okay, so I don't know enough about that piece of history in order to put the pieces together myself, and after typing it out that does sound fairly bad...so...since I won't be able to read it for awhile, and because I don't give a damn about spoilers, would someone please just tell us what F'n happens?!

It's way better if Vulcan is the first brother, and Corsair couldn't reach him so he saved his youngest.

It would also be much better if The Sh'iar caused the plane to go down instead of V's powers.

Too cheesy for him to be the "baby brother'' 16-17 year-old adult who was trapped on a rock for 6-7 years in Marvel 616 .

[xakko]

Actually- I think Xavier isn't coming across as the bastard we were led to believe in this.

His heartsick with worry, he believes that Moira's students are able to help. He asks them- he doesn't force them.

What he does afterwards is the key. Is he trying to cover up his mistake, or will he purge their existence from everyone's memory out of grief?

[Nick Kal]

Agreed, xakko.

Also, are people seriously complaining about the name Gabriel? :rolleyes:

[AnkaleRa]

It's way better if Vulcan is the first brother, and Corsair couldn't reach him so he saved his youngest.

It would also be much better if The Sh'iar caused the plane to go down instead of V's powers.

Too cheesy for him to be the "baby brother'' 16-17 year-old adult who was trapped on a rock for 6-7 years in Marvel 616 .

The thing is, Vulcan's powers couldn't have caused the plane to crash as his powers didn't emerge until he was living with the Shi'ar. In the issue it shows that his power emerge at the worst moment as he kills his foster mother.

[xakko]

Agreed, xakko.

Also, are people seriously complaining about the name Gabriel? :rolleyes:
In a family with white bread names like Christopher, Scott, Alexander, and Katherine? And Phillip and Deborah?

Possibly. But there's a way to explain why the name might have significance.

[Beast]

In a family with white bread names like Christopher, Scott, Alexander, and Katherine? And Phillip and Deborah?

Possibly. But there's a way to explain why the name might have significance.
Since he seems to have been named while with the Shi'ar or upon his return to Earth, it's not as bad as when I first heard it. It's certainly not the sort of name that he would have recieved with the Summers. :)

[Keith_Martineau]

I'm way off base anyway. His powers woke and he killed the Shi'Ar priestess be accident.

And SOMEHOW he ended up on Earth after a year. Sure would like the explanation on that one.

I'm thinking Xavier didn't leave them to die. He was connected to them mentally. He KNOWS they died. That was his mistake. He erased Cyke's memory of it to spare him the pain. I'm sure thats whats happened. This does not make Xavier a bastard, just someone who was doing what he thought was best at the time.

Good issue. Two issues left to tell the rest of the story, bring Xavier into the picture, and bring some kind of resolution to this little tale.

[Ed Brubaker]

I'm way off base anyway. His powers woke and he killed the Shi'Ar priestess be accident.

And SOMEHOW he ended up on Earth after a year. Sure would like the explanation on that one.


Actually, he's supposed to be on Earth in that scene when he's escaping, before he gets found in NYC. Don't know why the artist drew an alien lizard in the foreground, but I'll just assume it snuck onto a transport ship just like cockroaches got to America. ;)

[Beast]

Actually, he's supposed to be on Earth in that scene when he's escaping, before he gets found in NYC. Don't know why the artist drew an alien lizard in the foreground, but I'll just assume it snuck onto a transport ship just like cockroaches got to America. ;)
So he was living in some secret Shiar settlement somewhere on Earth most of his life? Or did he get trasnferred there at some point. Because that doesn't appear to be some sort of Shiar ship, but some sort of Shiar base or city. If it's the Savage Land that it's located in, that could explain the alien looking lizard. ;)

[Weapon Ick]

This is an excellent book. I have absolutely no complaints except for the fact that Darwin's change of skin pigmentation isn't explained to my satisfaction if at all. I have a big crush on Petra but that is probably connected to how I felt about the Terra storylines in Teen Titans during the 80's when I was a kid. I really like the 1.5 team and I am sad about the fact that they are probably dead. It seems like a lot of readers have taken a liking to them as well which probably just enhances the hatred toward Xavier that we are supposed to feel as a result of this series. I, for one, enjoy the idea of Professor X being not as saintly as previously believed and having more in common with Magneto then some would like to aknowlege. I am attracted to the concept of the absence of absolte good and absolute evil. So what if Xavier is a little bit of a bastard? It makes him more realistic.

I really love Deadly Genesis. I think it does justice to the X-Men. I can't concieve of a better way to solve the whole "Third Summers Brother" debacle. This story is superb and I only wish it had taken place in a core book such as "Uncanny" or "Adjectiveless".

[TinMan]

He erased Cyke's memory of it to spare him the pain. I'm sure thats whats happened. This does not make Xavier a bastard, just someone who was doing what he thought was best at the time.

I agree that he probably did it to spare Scott and Alex the pain (you know Scott would have told Alex also if he retained the memories), but not only that but I'm sure he did it for his own motives too. Look at the comments he made to Moira in the "mindscape" about the kids not having a choice but to be hero's and other such stuff. He was so determined at that age to keep the X-Men and his dream alive that he couldn't NOT make them X-Men. I think he mindwiped Scott (if not all of the original team, because he very well may have and it just hasn't been stated yet) so that that he wouldn't leave. If Scott knew that Xavier sent his youngest brother to his death trying to save him and the others, he probably never would have forgiven him and walked away from Xavier. At that point Xavier couldn't let his prize pupil go; so he had an alterior motive to mindwiping him/them.

As for the issue itself; this was the strongest issue so far w/o a doubt and I've enjoyed all 4 so far. Hairsine's art was WAY freaking better than the previous three issues and Ed's really created some great characters in Darwin, Sway, Petra and Vulcan. Honestly I'm really disappointed the other three are dead, they would have maybe excellent X-Men; so heres hoping they get a proper funeral service to recognize their bravery after this mini (hint hint Ed ;) ). I'm totally loving this mini, especially now, so I'm getting even more excited for Ed's uncanny run. This issue gets a 10/10 in my book and for that Ed deserves a beer and a BJ... I'll buy the beer, Wader will provide the BJ! HA! :p

[Faded]

I just read it and this issue was absolutely awesome!!! Even the art has jumped leaps and bounds. I really want to see a mini about the past and Moira's students as this issue really makes me interested in all of them and I want to know more. I'm so much more excited about Brubaker now and I *now* want to see the other students live past this mini.

[Ed Brubaker]

So he was living in some secret Shiar settlement somewhere on Earth most of his life? Or did he get trasnferred there at some point. Because that doesn't appear to be some sort of Shiar ship, but some sort of Shiar base or city. If it's the Savage Land that it's located in, that could explain the alien looking lizard. ;)

That's all answered in issue 6, as is his full origin.

[Beast]

That's all answered in issue 6, as is his full origin.
Thanks for the info, Mr. Brubaker. Can't wait to read it. Shame it's 2 months away. :D

[kad939]

The other members of the 1.5 team may not be dead...they just may not have let themselves be seen yet...

Anyone wanna join me in clinging to false hope? You're welcome to.

[MasterOdin]

Thank you for the update Ed! As Beast said, it is too long to wait!!

Part of me still thinks that the villain we are seeing is not the true Vulcan. It is Krakoa assuming his form. Let's look at the abilities that the abilities the villain has shown:

Redirecting Cyclops' beam - Energy manipulation (Vulcan)
Grabbing the shuttle with a rock hand - Earth/rock manipulation (Petra)
Flashbacks for the various X-Men - Reliving past events (Sway)
Existing in a vacuum - Adjusting to environment (Darwin)

All of the four students, but let's not forget that he also has some telepathy. He went into Rachel's mind to use her powers. Could that have come from Xavier or someone else?

Vulcan shows no ability to merge different abilities with his own. Therefore I think something else is going on and Krakoa is playing a hand in this.

In any case, I am looking forward to seeing how this is resolved.

[Ed Brubaker]

It'll all be explained in 6, trust me.

[Flight]

I'm starting to... like Kid Vulcan... more than Havok???!!!?!!

[Hi-Fi]

Ed, when will we know the rest of your cast? :)

(please say Polaris is in it!)

Keep up the great work!!

[Beast]

Ed, when will we know the rest of your cast? :)

(please say Polaris is in it!)

Keep up the great work!!
I second that question. Other than wanting Polaris on the team. Let's leave her in Limbo or as a Horseman for a while, if that's what Milligan's done with her. :)

[Hi-Fi]

I second that question. Other than wanting Polaris on the team. Let's leave her in Limbo or as a Horseman for a while, if that's what Milligan's done with her. :)

Let's have Beast dying burned in fire then. :)

[Bishop_Proudstar]

The other members of the 1.5 team may not be dead...they just may not have let themselves be seen yet...

Anyone wanna join me in clinging to false hope? You're welcome to.

I think "Petra" has a future..

Suspended Animation/Coma?

The rest could be Vulcan's "X-Men".

[Bishop_Proudstar]

Thank you for the update Ed! As Beast said, it is too long to wait!!

Part of me still thinks that the villain we are seeing is not the true Vulcan. It is Krakoa assuming his form. Let's look at the abilities that the abilities the villain has shown:

Redirecting Cyclops' beam - Energy manipulation (Vulcan)
Grabbing the shuttle with a rock hand - Earth/rock manipulation (Petra)
Flashbacks for the various X-Men - Reliving past events (Sway)
Existing in a vacuum - Adjusting to environment (Darwin)

All of the four students, but let's not forget that he also has some telepathy. He went into Rachel's mind to use her powers. Could that have come from Xavier or someone else?

Vulcan shows no ability to merge different abilities with his own. Therefore I think something else is going on and Krakoa is playing a hand in this.

In any case, I am looking forward to seeing how this is resolved.

Good theory.

Maybe a piece of Krakoa... It could seperate pieces of itself... I'm not sure.

Changling was my vote early on, but I don't think that he could absorb all of those powers.

[Weapon Ick]

The other members of the 1.5 team may not be dead...they just may not have let themselves be seen yet...

Anyone wanna join me in clinging to false hope? You're welcome to.

I'll be crossing my fingers but not holding my breath. I think we are supposed to like those characters in order to highten the emotional impact of their death. It makes us hate whoever is responsible (be it Xavier, Krakoa or Vulcan) for the demise of the 1.5 team even more.

It is sad enough that we lost Banshee in this series but now we have to mourn a great group of heroes that we didn't even know existed? Man, that is harsh. I am almost dreading whatever heartbreaks will occur in the next issue.

[Cayman]

I'm starting to... like Kid Vulcan... more than Havok???!!!?!!

*slaps Flight back to his senses*

Cay

[MasterOdin]

It'll all be explained in 6, trust me.

Oh, I trust you! It's the waiting that is the hardest part, especially now that you revealed the start of your Uncanny run will tie directly into Deadly Genesis.

[thetuxguy]

I was reading a lot about how could Darwin die? He and the 1.5 team were being sucked to death by Krakoa. I seem to remember the original X-men attached to the walls of krakoa, not so much in chains. Somebody surely can remember better than I, or has their ready copy of GS X-Men #1 to check it out.
So, Darwin could evolve to adapt, but there is no way to adapt to someone sucking the life essance out of you. And, when they were just about used up, Krakoa released Cyclops to go bring him more mutants. I know that is in GS #1, and Krakoa thanks the "wheelchaired one", too.
I was also thinking that the pod that Vulcan woke up in was the petrified remains of Krakoa, too. Any takers on that theory?

[Beast]

It can't be all of Krakoa, he was seen on the Stranger's planet later. I'm guessing it's a chunk of Krakoa or a piece of Krakoa poop. :D

[Weapon Ick]

Yeah it will be interresting to see how Krakoa manages to defeat this team. Each member is really powerful especially Vulcan. Darwin doesn't seem like he would go down easy an account of his rapid adaptability. Sway doesn't seem to have much control over her powers so you could see her getting beaten. But how could Petra not handle Krakoa? Her power is manipulating earth and isn't that what he is made out of?

I'm beginning to think maybe Krakoa doesn't outright defeat X-men 1.5 and thier deaths might be a result of Vulcan's double-crossing or misuse of his powers like what happened at the Shiar base.

These kids are inexpirienced but I would think their powers would give them an extra advantage that the first team didn't have. I bet they could take him.

[Ugoff]

Yeah it will be interresting to see how Krakoa manages to defeat this team. Each member is really powerful especially Vulcan. Darwin doesn't seem like he would go down easy an account of his rapid adaptability. Sway doesn't seem to have much control over her powers so you could see her getting beaten. But how could Petra not handle Krakoa? Her power is manipulating earth and isn't that what he is made out of?

I'm beginning to think maybe Krakoa doesn't outright defeat X-men 1.5 and thier deaths might be a result of Vulcan's double-crossing or misuse of his powers like what happened at the Shiar base.

These kids are inexpirienced but I would think their powers would give them an extra advantage that the first team didn't have. I bet they could take him.

I have to admit I think this Deadly Gensis story is lame. Another Xavier is a bastard and kept a dangerous secret story. Also these kids arent inexpirienced, Xavier is training them in his mind. Like he said it will seem like years in the dream time while in the real world only hours will have passed. And they knew the risk and decided to become X-Men. No one forced them, unless Xavier is revealed further on to have influenced their minds, to be made even more of a bastard. I dont see why the X-Men would just leave them behind either. The art is pretty awesome thought. Maybe the story will get better and some of my questions will be explained but for right now I'm not feeling it. I'm not trying to start a flame war or be a troll. It's JMHO.

[Sandy Hausler]

Do you know his real name like *bobby* Summers or something.

Gabriel.

Sandy Hausler

[Sandy Hausler]

Are the other proto-X-Men alive. Those giant rock hands that grabbed the space shuttle (or plane or whatever it was) in issue 1 make me think Petra had something to do with it. Or does Vulcan have the powers of the others now.

I enjoy these new characters more than any of the "real" X-Men created since Kitty Pryde.

Sandy Hausler

[EDIT] Oops. I see the issue of whether Vulcan has the power of the other proto-X-Men was addressed in earlier posts. Sorry to be repetitious.

[Sandy Hausler]

I have to admit I think this Deadly Gensis story is lame. Another Xavier is a bastard and kept a dangerous secret story. Also these kids arent inexpirienced, Xavier is training them in his mind. Like he said it will seem like years in the dream time while in the real world only hours will have passed. And they knew the risk and decided to become X-Men. No one forced them, unless Xavier is revealed further on to have influenced their minds, to be made even more of a bastard. I dont see why the X-Men would just leave them behind either. The art is pretty awesome thought. Maybe the story will get better and some of my questions will be explained but for right now I'm not feeling it. I'm not trying to start a flame war or be a troll. It's JMHO.

And it's a perfectly valid opinion. Having an adult take a child (or children) into danger is not acceptable in real life, but it's a comic book tradition. It's pointless to call Xavier a bastard. He was (and still is, if he's even alive) trying to save the world, and succeeding for the most part.

Sandy Hausler

[Sandy Hausler]

ugh. Brubaker should have just used Adam X. I wonder how Fabian feels about all this.

But he had such a dumb power. He had to cut himself before he could even use it.

Sandy Hausler

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Just read this issue.

Bloody hell! I was right. Sorry, but I had my theory from issue one, and it's so rare that I am... :D

Great issue, and resolved a number of issues I had.

So Cyclops did meet Gabriel before. Xavier just made him totally forget. The other X-Men may be mad about him hiding something like this, but they don;'t yet know that Kid Vulcan is a Summers...

My one issue with this from the start was that if this WAS another Summers boy, how could he be? Only Alex and Scott left that plane, and Corsair remembers it as well as they do. Would Corsair hide something like that from his kids? Not likely.

So how could this fit in?

From #3's glimpsed flashback of Xavier and Corsair talking, I'm working on the concept that Corsair did have another son. Or at least one on the way...

Scott and Alex probably never knew their mother was pregnant while Corsair possibly did.

And so D'Ken's men take his wife's body, pull the baby from her and incubate it in that tank from the back up story. They accelerate Gabriel's growth, and bring him up in this test facility either in the Shi'ar empire or possibly on Earth. The Shi'ar may have had a small foothold base on earth - what else were they doing there when they crashed into the Summers' plane?

When Gabriel's power manifests he breaks out, and runs away from the complex.

This is a BIG story. And I'm oving it.

[Sandy Hausler]

i think the simplest origin is that the mother was pregnant with Gabriel at the time the parents were abducted. he was born and raised on a Shi'ar world and then somehow made it back to Earth.

also, did they explain exactly what kind of powers Vulcan has? it's been pretty ambiguous so far.

btw, i actually like the name Gabriel.

He's an energy manipulator. What that means he can do is unclear. He can through Cyclops's power blasts off target for one thing.

Sandy Hausler

[steve2275]

seems like the art gets better each issue

[The Fury]

This issue was better then the rest. But then the rest were slow.

There is one thing. I still don't believe any of it. I mean teh Xavier whiping people memories. Why would he do that?

I know he may have been a bit shady at times but he's had no need (and I'm sick of writers making Xavier seem to be the bad guy).

But then one line jumped out at me, Vulcan said:

"When we saved you from that island."

They didn't didn't save them. They died. Vulcan thinks they saved the X-men. So he could think he is Cyclops brother.

[Cayman]

This issue was better then the rest. But then the rest were slow.

There is one thing. I still don't believe any of it. I mean teh Xavier whiping people memories. Why would he do that?

I know he may have been a bit shady at times but he's had no need (and I'm sick of writers making Xavier seem to be the bad guy).

But then one line jumped out at me, Vulcan said:

"When we saved you from that island."

They didn't didn't save them. They died. Vulcan thinks they saved the X-men. So he could think he is Cyclops brother.

Well, they may have been the reason Cyclops was able to escape.

Cay

[The Fury]

Well, they may have been the reason Cyclops was able to escape.

Cay
...*sigh*

Good answer.

Still don't buy it. Underhand tactics or not. Xavier da' man.

[xmanson]

seems like the art gets better each issue


It couldn't get much worse after #2.

[TinMan]

It couldn't get much worse after #2.

Oh my god! Hell must have just frozen over... I actually agree w/ you about something! :p

[The Sword Is Drawn]

...*sigh*

Good answer.

Still don't buy it. Underhand tactics or not. Xavier da' man.

Not always. He became a friendly, grandpa, kind of figure under Claremont, by and large, but he still always had his moments of more strict and dog-headed nature.

If you go back and read the original X-Men - and my god is it a chore - Xavier wasn't actually a very nice man at times. He was a hard, focussed taskmaster, fixed with creating a team for a purpose. I always see the Claremont Xavier we know now, as having been mellowed by events in his life.

The Xavier in this series is from before all that. And I think he's still in character. I still find it quite plausible.

[Ryan K]

I'm not a fan of retcons. I'm not a fan of "mind wipes". And I'm really not a fan of this trend of making Xavier into the biggest asshole of all time that seems to be running through the books.

But all that said, I really liked this issue. A lot.

Damn it.

[Brian M.]

I just read this issue and let me say I love it. I actually care about Vulcan. I really don't understand though why he's punishing Cyclops. I love how they met and the scene in the back story of them sparing. Nice job Mr. Brubaker. This story is great.

[The Fury]

The Xavier in this series is from before all that. And I think he's still in character. I still find it quite plausible.
Personally I'm waiting for the big reveal.

The one that shows Xavier to be the good guy. And there to be some other big moment that has yet to be revealed. Obviously we will know when it is revealed what happened on Krakoa and it's aftermath between that and GSX-men #1.

[Sentinel K]

This mini series really does rock-out-with-it's-cock-out.

An awesomely Tron issue.

[Brock]

Does Emma show any reaction to Banshee's death beyond "ohh" ???

Not much mention of Banshee at all this issue.

I would think someone would have made a courtesy call to Syrin by now. Maybe they'll reference this in #5 or #6?

[The Fury]

Not much mention of Banshee at all this issue.

I would think someone would have made a courtesy call to Syrin by now. Maybe they'll reference this in #5 or #6?
I think there was mention of her finding out in X-factor.

Then she travels to the Mansion and Kills Emma. :evilsmile

[Beast]

I think there was mention of her finding out in X-factor.

Then she travels to the Mansion and Kills Emma. :evilsmile
Yes, Issue #7 of X-Factor will deal with that.

And we can only hope. ;) :D

[Hi-Fi]

Then she travels to the Mansion and Kills Emma. :evilsmile

Why would she do that?? Emma had nothin' to do with his death. :confused:

[Beast]

Why would she do that?? Emma had nothin' to do with his death. :confused:
Other than the 'Ho-Hum, Sean's Dead' attitude.

But then none of the X-Men really reacted upset at him being dead, but Beast. :p

[Sentinel K]

There will be time for mourning later.

They need to deal with this bad-ass bitch-tit Vulcan first.

Bet a cookie that there will be a mourning/funeral sorta scene in issue 6.

[Beast]

There will be time for mourning later.

They need to deal with this bad-ass bitch-tit Vulcan first.

Bet a cookie that there will be a mourning/funeral sorta scene in issue 6.
Yeah, but they didn't even know where to find him yet.

Agreed though, I'm sure they will have some sort of mourning/funeral scene in #6.

I'm just really getting tired of writers using death to show how impressive their new 'Big Bad' is though. At least Brubaker respected Sean as a character enough to show it on panel though. ;)

[The Fury]

Why would she do that?? Emma had nothin' to do with his death. :confused:
Your point? :confused:

[Hi-Fi]

There will be time for mourning later.

They need to deal with this bad-ass bitch-tit Vulcan first.

Bet a cookie that there will be a mourning/funeral sorta scene in issue 6.

I'm with you on that one.

[riotgear]

But he had such a dumb power. He had to cut himself before he could even use it.

Sandy Hausler

Actually, he had to cut his victim, not himself. He had to have line-of-sight with the wound.

It's interesting that all of the Summers boys powers have to do with plasma. Alex affects super-heated plasma, Scott uses plasma as concussive force (not heat, contrary to what most writers are saying these days), and Adam affects the plasma in the bloodstream.

[Flight]

Adam affects the plasma in the bloodstream. He's not a Summers brother.
Vulcan is.

[Beast]

He's not a Summers brother.
Vulcan is.
Well, Adam still could be. Sinister only ever said 'Brothers'. And Vulcan was dead/dormant at the time. :p

[Haunt]

i'm wondering how a guy like Sinister held onto that information, so long. i can just see him giggling in private; anxious to tell someone else about the 3rd summers brother.

[The Fury]

Well, Adam still could be. Sinister only ever said 'Brothers'. And Vulcan was dead/dormant at the time. :p
Adam is not a Summer's brother. He (according to the rumours) was born of Scott and Alex's mother and by D'Kan (or whatever his name was).

In order to be a Summer's he'd have to be Cousair's son. Which Adam is not.


Also, I find it hilarious that appearently Comic characters aren't aloowed to make mistakes.

Sinister said "brothers" ONCE. Scott corrected him. Sinister said sorry correct himself and moved on. End of.

And this many years later we get some weird conclusion?

Still think it's in his head.

[Beast]

He would still be Scott and Alex's brother, as he was presumed to have been born to their mother. Just because the father isn't the same man, doesn't mean that the child isn't a brother to any of the children had with Christopher. There is still a connection by blood, if Adam-X is ever brought up again, which I doubt he will be. D'Ken didn't marry Katherine and change her last name, he took advantage of her and forced himself on her. She was still was a Summers by marriage. So Adam-X would be a Summers. :)

[The Fury]

He would still be Scott and Alex's brother, as he was presumed to have been born to their mother. Just because the father isn't the same man, doesn't mean that the child isn't a brother to any of the children had with Christopher. There is still a connection by blood, if Adam-X is ever brought up again, which I doubt he will be. :)
I'm not saying that. I'm saying he isn't a Summers.

I did say that right? becuase that is what i meant. Honest.

Eitehr way, i think this reject (Vulcan) was lied to, Xavier maybe told him he was Scott's brother to make his battle rage with more passion and as he died during it, still believes it.

[Sandy Hausler]

Actually, he had to cut his victim, not himself. He had to have line-of-sight with the wound.

That's even worse.<g>

Sandy Hausler

[The Lucky One]

Out of curiosity, have they given an explanation yet for why this 1.5 team was chosen when Xavier already had files on the All-New, All-Different squad? Just from what I'm hearing (and from skimming #4), it sounds like the 1.5 team were students of Moira's. (Before Madrox got there, I guess, since he was sent to Muir sometime between being taken away by Xavier in Giant-Size Fantastic Four #4 [1974] and reappearing during the Proteus saga on Muir [197...7?].) But if Xavier had a group of replacements with, almost to a person, very combat-useful abilities (Storm, Wolverine, Thunderbird, Colossus) and most of whom were adults, why did he tap a group of students first? And since Sunfire and Banshee were known quantities to him, why didn't he approach them to join the 1.5 team, instead of waiting to send them with the All-New squad? Just curious about whether these have been addressed yet, or if Ed's waiting to answer them in the last 2 issues.

-D

[Beast]

Out of curiosity, have they given an explanation yet for why this 1.5 team was chosen when Xavier already had files on the All-New, All-Different squad? Just from what I'm hearing (and from skimming #4), it sounds like the 1.5 team were students of Moira's. (Before Madrox got there, I guess, since he was sent to Muir sometime between being taken away by Xavier in Giant-Size Fantastic Four #4 [1974] and reappearing during the Proteus saga on Muir [197...7?].) But if Xavier had a group of replacements with, almost to a person, very combat-useful abilities (Storm, Wolverine, Thunderbird, Colossus) and most of whom were adults, why did he tap a group of students first? And since Sunfire and Banshee were known quantities to him, why didn't he approach them to join the 1.5 team, instead of waiting to send them with the All-New squad? Just curious about whether these have been addressed yet, or if Ed's waiting to answer them in the last 2 issues.

-D
He probably choose them first for two reasons.

1. Because they were right in New York at the time, no need to travel the globe to recruit a new group of X-Men. And then hope that they'd say yes and work together as a team with little training.

2. Because they'd already received a lot of training in their powers from X and Moira. And they were already together as a group. It wasn't hard to form them up as a team, as the relationships were already there.

[The Fury]

Out of curiosity, have they given an explanation yet for why this 1.5 team was chosen when Xavier already had files on the All-New, All-Different squad? Just from what I'm hearing (and from skimming #4), it sounds like the 1.5 team were students of Moira's. (Before Madrox got there, I guess, since he was sent to Muir sometime between being taken away by Xavier in Giant-Size Fantastic Four #4 [1974] and reappearing during the Proteus saga on Muir [197...7?].) But if Xavier had a group of replacements with, almost to a person, very combat-useful abilities (Storm, Wolverine, Thunderbird, Colossus) and most of whom were adults, why did he tap a group of students first? And since Sunfire and Banshee were known quantities to him, why didn't he approach them to join the 1.5 team, instead of waiting to send them with the All-New squad? Just curious about whether these have been addressed yet, or if Ed's waiting to answer them in the last 2 issues.

-D
Desperation. I'd guess.

They were the easy option. Instead of traveling round the world, travel down the road.

[The Lucky One]

Hmmm... I can buy that as part of the reason, but there's got to be more to it than that. The All-New group were the clear, logical choice- they were adults, they knew how to use their abilities better, and they were at least the equal of Team 1.5 in raw power (and probably their superiors). If you've got a supersonic jet at your disposal, you take the extra couple of hours to round up some heavy-hitters instead of sending kids to certain death. Xavier might have been desperate, but he's no fool, nor is he a sadist. I'm sure there's an explanation, we just haven't gotten it yet.

-D

[jadegiant77]

Man, it sucks that the first new X-Men that have been revealed over these last four issues are probably all dead(except Vulcan, who i am positively lukewarm towards. ANOTHER energy manipulator? *sigh*). I'd have to say Darwin is my favoritist(I voted for him in the poll), mostly cuz I created a character exactly like him for a story i'm writing about the X-Peoples. Great minds think alike, I guess.

So let me see if I get this right: these first new X-Men go to find the X-men, but get trapped inside Krakoa. Scott escapes, and leads the second team of new X-men back to the island, where the original team is rescued, but the first new team is exiled into space with Krakoa? Or am I wrong? Wouldn't Darwin have been able to survive in the vacuum of space? And why would Chuck X not tell the others about the first mutant rescue team?

Wow, Chuck is coming off like a total dick lately. But actually, back in the day, he used to monkey with people's minds left and right. He erased Iceman's parents memories of his powers and othger assorted crap i can't recall right now.

[The Fury]

Question. If Moira had no intention of putting these kids into battle. why did she give them codenames?

[Cayman]

Question. If Moira had no intention of putting these kids into battle. why did she give them codenames?

Well, she gave her own son one.

Cay

[The Fury]

Well, she gave her own son one.

Cay
Yeah, well, she's weird then isn't she.

"I don;t want these kids to fight, i'm here to help them.

So i'm going to give them all code names that they can use. :D"

[Taskmaster]

The other members of the 1.5 team may not be dead...they just may not have let themselves be seen yet...

Anyone wanna join me in clinging to false hope? You're welcome to.

I'll join because I really like Petra and Darwin (no offense to her, but Sway can stay dead :p )

[Fastballspecial]

I know alot of older readers hate this book, but I have found it the best X book in years.(I do still loves Exiles and Astonishing was pretty good too.) My plans were to stop reading all X titles after this one and The End ends as a nice drop off point. Though with Mr. Brubaker signing on the X-men if they give him a decent artists for an extended period of time I may check it out.

This book has really been an enjoyable who "dune it" for me. It brought me back to early New X-men days again and I even went back and read GS again for the first time in 10 years. Its ashame the sells arent higher alot of people are missing out on a great X mini. Any chance DC will sign him and lock him up for a long time?? :p

[Flameworthy]

Question. If Moira had no intention of putting these kids into battle. why did she give them codenames?

I can't remember, but for Petra, is it her codename or her real name?

[milly3cat]

I think Brubaker has bitten off more than he can chew, re-writing history the old fan boys will pick him to pieces. This is like pheonix end song, two great issues with a bad ending.

[Beast]

I think Brubaker has bitten off more than he can chew, re-writing history the old fan boys will pick him to pieces. This is like pheonix end song, two great issues with a bad ending.
That depends how much he actually re-writes, not all retcons are bad. Most of the characters today, wouldn't be who they are without some retcons. Some of them bad, some of them good. There hasn't been a great deal of retconning yet in DG. Mostly it's just a re-examining of the facts. So far, he's managed to slip most things logically into continuity. There are a few wiggle points right now, but we'll see how things wrap with Issue #6.

[Will.S]

Wow. This was the best issue yet, I loved it.

Lots of exposition but damn good stuff, the flashback of the X-Men fighting Krakoa was simply awesome and carried a weight of danger/horror to it the way Trevor illustrated it. The colors greatly enhanced the scene as well and I'm glad they the colorist can vary in the hues instead of just dark colors. I like the way that both Xavier and Moira are to blame for this team's particular demise instead of it falling soley on Charles (who's still kind of a bastard). Xavier had some neat tricks that I haven't seen before using dreamtime to train the students and I liked their individual costumes given to then.

On an interesting Illuminati/Civil War note, Xavier mentions Reed giving him the costumes with unstable molecules so that connection being revisited by Ed was cool to see between the FF and the X-Men and I wonder where the two will lie during CW.

Vulcan's back-up story was more extended than the rest, and rightly so since he's the main villain but the Shi'ar backdrop and ties to the empire were facinating. Makes me wonder where Gabriel fits in between his birth and his "first" meeting with Cyclops. I also wonder if he's actually a half brother and Corsair had the kid with a Shi'ar mother which would explain his presence there and Corsair's possible reason for hiding him there as well as his younger age.

Trevor's art is the best yet out of all the issues, very solid and consistent thanks to Scott Hanna so I hope he sticks around until the end of the book. The back story was beautifully well drawn by Pete Woods, I really wish he wasn't DC exclusive because his art is just amazing :(

This mini series is just SO damn good so I'm really happy that Ed is continuing this megastory onto Uncanny and I'm excited to see Billy Tan handle the art now after seeing that colored cover.

[cable guy]

I know alot of older readers hate this book, but I have found it the best X book in years.(I do still loves Exiles and Astonishing was pretty good too.) My plans were to stop reading all X titles after this one and The End ends as a nice drop off point. Though with Mr. Brubaker signing on the X-men if they give him a decent artists for an extended period of time I may check it out.

This book has really been an enjoyable who "dune it" for me. It brought me back to early New X-men days again and I even went back and read GS again for the first time in 10 years. Its ashame the sells arent higher alot of people are missing out on a great X mini. Any chance DC will sign him and lock him up for a long time?? :p

I agree.

It's by far the best stuff in years.

I think we'll be in good hands with Uncanny.

[Unkillable Cat]

For those of you hoping that the other members of the X-Men 1.5 team are still alive, check out the cover of Deadly Genesis #6.

Also, in regards to the Civil War event, I think that the Professor will be absent from it. The X-Men space adventure that Brubaker is writing for Uncanny is, IIRC, supposed to take place during the Civil War, and the Professor is a key character there.

Another thought has struck me. Professor X could not be found by Cerebra...because Cerebra can only scan mutants on Earth or it's immediate vicinity. What if Wanda's woogie sent Charles somewhere FAR away, like say to another galaxy? Could Professor X's greatest wish be that of spending time with Lilandra, perhaps?

But that opens up a whole new can of worms, like how and if Wanda's "No More Mutants" woogie would affect him over cosmic distances, and whether he still has his telepathy or not.

(But if he has lost his telepathy, shouldn't his hair start growing back?)

[Tag06]

For those of you hoping that the other members of the X-Men 1.5 team are still alive, check out the cover of Deadly Genesis #6.


No I don't wanna hear it my precious 1.5 team are still alive! I hope atleast one of them survived. :(

[Hi-Fi]

No I don't wanna hear it my precious 1.5 team are still alive! I hope atleast one of them survived. :(

I agree!! I love ALL of them now!! :eek:

Petra, Sway, Darwin and Vulcan are frickin' awesome!

[Nick Kal]

I agree!! I love ALL of them now!! :eek:

Petra, Sway, Darwin and Vulcan are frickin' awesome!

So True. Maybe they'll be discovered alive or cloned by Sinister!

[Hi-Fi]

So True. Maybe they'll be discovered alive or cloned by Sinister!

I don't care...I'll accept the crappiest reason, I just want them alive. :cool:

[Doom Hammer]

ugh. Brubaker should have just used Adam X.

Now why wouldn't he have used Adam X?

Let's see, was Adam X the leader of a secret team of X-Men orignally taken in by Miora MacTaggart and used to try to rescue the original X-Men from Krakoa before the "All-New, All-Different" team was an option?

No?

Then that's why.

[Nick Kal]

Agreed. It's a good thing fishtaco doesn't write comics...

[Romus]

So does Colossus appear or do anything in this series?

[Nick Kal]

So does Colossus appear or do anything in this series?

He may have made a cameo but nothing big... it does looks like he'll definitely be in #6.

[Hi-Fi]

So does Colossus appear or do anything in this series?

Yeas, he appears in a limited part. I'm sure he'll appear more towards the end.

[Faded]

I agree!! I love ALL of them now!! :eek:

Petra, Sway, Darwin and Vulcan are frickin' awesome!

I said this a couple posts ago!!!! I love them too!!!!

But no clones, please. I already have to pretend X-23 is the lovechild of Wolverine and Betsy for me to like her. :D

[fishtaco]

Agreed. It's a good thing fishtaco doesn't write comics...How do you know I don't write comics? :rolleyes:

[Doom Hammer]

How do you know I don't write comics? :rolleyes:


Must...resist...awful...things... :D

[Nick Kal]

How do you know I don't write comics? :rolleyes:

LOL.

Also, I doubt any comic writer would be as immature as you are on here.

Edit - Also, you're only 17. :)

[OpticBlast]

I'm beginning to think maybe Krakoa doesn't outright defeat X-men 1.5 and thier deaths might be a result of Vulcan's double-crossing or misuse of his powers like what happened at the Shiar base.

Hmmm! You got me to thinking: maybe Vulcan has all these powers because he siphoned these abilities off the others of the 1.5 team by accident, and that is what led to their demise. Maybe he also did the same thing to Cyke, and that's why his power didn't come back until he was back at the mansion.

Speaking of his power returning...the Professor designed a new visor for Scott when his optic blast returned because it was far more powerful than before. Surprised no one else noticed this, but Cyke is already wearing the as-yet-to-be-created visor while battling Krakoa on pages 5 & 6. Ooops!

[Weapon Ick]

Hmmm! You got me to thinking: maybe Vulcan has all these powers because he siphoned these abilities off the others of the 1.5 team by accident, and that is what led to their demise. Maybe he also did the same thing to Cyke, and that's why his power didn't come back until he was back at the mansion.

Speaking of his power returning...the Professor designed a new visor for Scott when his optic blast returned because it was far more powerful than before. Surprised no one else noticed this, but Cyke is already wearing the as-yet-to-be-created visor while battling Krakoa on pages 5 & 6. Ooops!

Maybe. It's just that Vulcan has not been shown to have any power-siphoning abilities yet. To my knowlege, all we've seen him do on-panel are the things he was able to in the flashbacks. We don't know for sure that he made that giant rock fist. We know he used Rachel to dig through people's minds but how did he do it? And wasn't power-siphoning Krakoa's ability? I don't remember.

And are you sure about the visor? I can't really tell from the angles that Cyclops is at.

[someone777]

Just saw the Sales Charts for X-Men: Deadly Genesis # 3 at http://comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=6703 and if #4 sales like they did for #3 then it may go down like End Song and Marvel may have to call Deadly Genesis a failure.

[Jake V]

Just saw the Sales Charts for X-Men: Deadly Genesis # 3 at http://comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=6703 and if #4 sales like they did for #3 then it may go down like End Song and Marvel may have to call Deadly Genesis a failure.
Yeah. A top 20 comic is a failure. Someone tell DC that it's time to cancel Batman and Superman. It's just not working out.

[Will.S]

Also, in regards to the Civil War event, I think that the Professor will be absent from it. The X-Men space adventure that Brubaker is writing for Uncanny is, IIRC, supposed to take place during the Civil War, and the Professor is a key character there.
Most definitely, although there has to be some type of involvement with Xavier regarding Civil War before the big send-off.

Another thought has struck me. Professor X could not be found by Cerebra...because Cerebra can only scan mutants on Earth or it's immediate vicinity. What if Wanda's woogie sent Charles somewhere FAR away, like say to another galaxy? Could Professor X's greatest wish be that of spending time with Lilandra, perhaps?

But that opens up a whole new can of worms, like how and if Wanda's "No More Mutants" woogie would affect him over cosmic distances, and whether he still has his telepathy or not.
That's an interesting theory regarding Xavier's wherabouts. I think Wanda's hex or "chaos" magic reached a good deal of distance since Uncanny X-Men HoM showed Galactus and a good bit of a few cosmic entities/alien races being affected with Nova Roma and company warning Captain Britain to reverse the effects.

[TheWolfOfAsgard]

I remember when Onslaught started, Marvel made the comment that any time a major Marvel Universe wide crossover happened the X-men were never on the planet.

Looks likethey are going back to that unless it all ties Annihilation and Civil War together. (Yes, I'll be honest I have no interest in eitgher event so I'm not sure what's supposed to happen in either one.)

[Jake V]

That's an interesting theory regarding Xavier's wherabouts. I think Wanda's hex or "chaos" magic reached a good deal of distance since Uncanny X-Men HoM showed Galactus and a good bit of a few cosmic entities/alien races being affected with Nova Roma and company warning Captain Britain to reverse the effects.
Oh, I've got it. All the people who went to Genosha got whatever their secret wish was, right? So maybe Xavier's secret wish was some sort of quiet life with Lilandra. Maybe Emma couldn't find Xavier on earth because he wasn't there at all.

[Will.S]

Oh, I've got it. All the people who went to Genosha got whatever their secret wish was, right? So maybe Xavier's secret wish was some sort of quiet life with Lilandra. Maybe Emma couldn't find Xavier on earth because he wasn't there at all.
Hmm, maybe. Could he be powerless as well?

[Jake V]

Hmm, maybe. Could he be powerless as well?
Maybe. But I don't think Cerebro can detect mutants outside of the earth anyway. So he might just be living the good life in space.

[HIK248]

I can't remember, but for Petra, is it her codename or her real name?

I don't think her name is mentioned but it is probably a nickname,if I remember correctly she is from Denmark and Petra is a greek word,it means rock and it is a reference to her powers.Besides ot isn't used as a name in greek

[converge241]

Just saw the Sales Charts for X-Men: Deadly Genesis # 3 at http://comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=6703 and if #4 sales like they did for #3 then it may go down like End Song and Marvel may have to call Deadly Genesis a failure.

its 13th on the list and word of mouth could lead to more people picking it up as well as the last issues gets near

[someone777]

Sorry that people misunderstood me. It that Marvel excepted it to be #1 or 2 for that matter but now gets #13. Not bad number but not good for a so called top seller. Beside all I'm hearing is complaint from you guys from this Thread. But from what I've read from this comic is that seemes almost like a rip off of Identity Crisis you know super heroes becoming a## holes.

[TinMan]

Sorry that people misunderstood me. It that Marvel excepted it to be #1 or 2 for that matter but now gets #13. Not bad number but not good for a so called top seller. Beside all I'm hearing is complaint from you guys from this Thread. But from what I've read from this comic is that seemes almost like a rip off of Identity Crisis you know super heroes becoming a## holes.

Dude... WTF are you talking about!?

There is definitely more praise in this thread than hate; but theres definitely a lot of speculation.

Besides, theres a huge difference here; this mini isn't retconning characters back into existance that were thought dead for over 20 years. Its also not killing characters off willy-nilly nor recreating the status quo. I think you're stretching WAY to much with the IC comparison. If you don't like the story fine, but as it sounds like you haven't even read it, just looked at the sales numbers. Go read it then bitch if you want to.

[someone777]

I was tolking about Xavier mind-wiping his Students. the big secret of the X-Men just like some of the JLA mind-wiping Batman with Zatanna help. It's taking a good idea of a horror comic story and flip folping it to a rip off mind-wiping story.

[cable guy]

I was tolking about Xavier mind-wiping his Students. the big secret of the X-Men just like some of the JLA mind-wiping Batman with Zatanna help. It's taking a good idea of a horror comic story and flip folping it to a rip off mind-wiping story.

I'm not really sure what your point, or gripe is.

Do you not like it? Do you think we don't like it? Think it is a failure? Or is it copying another story?

Just wondering.

[TinMan]

I was tolking about Xavier mind-wiping his Students. the big secret of the X-Men just like some of the JLA mind-wiping Batman with Zatanna help. It's taking a good idea of a horror comic story and flip folping it to a rip off mind-wiping story.

Eh, mindwiping has been used many times before, so I don't take much issue w/ it except for the fact that it has been done multiple times. Xavier did it to Magneto after he ripped the adamantium out of Wolverine, so I don't see it as too far fetched for him to do so if he feels it necassary.

[Affinity]

JUST read the issue. The art got considerably better, and a lot of the sequences were fun to read and watch. The writing has increased tenfold since Brubaker was said to be on Uncanny---I'm actually looking forward to that now (although Tan can go drown in the sea for all I care).

Personally, I enjoyed how our theory came into fruition. It's kind of boring, reiterating what we already know, but its still very very interesting and kind of cool. I almost feel as if Marvel took our idea, since we deciphered it by issue 2. Now all we need is for the details to be smoothed out.

I didn't quite get Chip's last sentence. So, from what I gathered, the 1/2 Team was successful in finding the original team, but then they too were trapped. At which point, Xavier sent the giant size team, which found both 1 and 1/2 but was only successful in saving 1. I haven't read Giant Size X-Men #1 and don't know how the story goes. So, I'm guessing the Team 1 and Giant Size should have gone back for 1/2, but Xavier used cerebro to make them forget about 1/2 because he didn't want to risk it, which is why Kurt, Wolverine, and Piotr are in the story, too.

Oh, wait. Doesn't Wolverine remember all of his past now? Shouldn't that reflect in here? Wanda reversed his mind wipes from Weapon X...she could easily overcome Xavier's too, I'd imagine.

[Nick Kal]

Team 1.5 had to fail if The All New Team was then sent in...

[Ryan K]

Oh, wait. Doesn't Wolverine remember all of his past now? Shouldn't that reflect in here? Wanda reversed his mind wipes from Weapon X...she could easily overcome Xavier's too, I'd imagine.

That's a good point, but I think you just have to go with House of M did what Marvel wanted it too and nothing more. Why did almost all of the X-Men survive being decimated when 99.9% of the rest of the mutant population lost its powers? Because that's what Marvel wanted. There seems to be no real rhyme or reason with the affects. It was an 8 issue deus ex machina.

That sounded bitter.

[Sentinel K]

That's a good point, but I think you just have to go with House of M did what Marvel wanted it too and nothing more. Why did almost all of the X-Men survive being decimated when 99.9% of the rest of the mutant population lost its powers? Because that's what Marvel wanted. There seems to be no real rhyme or reason with the affects. It was an 8 issue deus ex machina.

That sounded bitter.

I always figure it was because Dr Strange only knew of certain mutants (the X-men) so was only able to help save the ones he knew or knew of.

Is this crazy thinking?

[The Fury]

I always figure it was because Dr Strange only knew of certain mutants (the X-men) so was only able to help save the ones he knew or knew of.

Is this crazy thinking?
I don't think Dr Strange had any control over it. Wanda made it so all should be depowered, Strange just cast a small counter spell that failed mostly.

Else he might have chosen to have Quicksilver not to be depowered.

But then Editors rule X-men....well, when it come to selecting who remains powered anyway,.

[Brian M.]

Would you really want though your X-Men depowered? I mean come on...do I want to read comics about 7 powered Mutants and no one else? Wanda's woogie still had a huge huge huge impact on the X-Men.

[xakko]

I don't think Dr Strange had any control over it. Wanda made it so all should be depowered, Strange just cast a small counter spell that failed mostly.

Else he might have chosen to have Quicksilver not to be depowered.

But then Editors rule X-men....well, when it come to selecting who remains powered anyway,.
I don't know, I think this could be a no-prize winning theory. There was no way that most of the X-men would be depowered anyway.

Pietro was at the epicenter of the effect- there was no time for Strange's shield to protect him. Beyond that, once you save (most) of the mutants Dr. Strange was familiar with, you can use the vagaries of Wanda's power as an explanation for why the depowering effect was, well, random.

[Brian M.]

I don't know, I think this could be a no-prize winning theory. There was no way that most of the X-men would be depowered anyway.

Pietro was at the epicenter of the effect- there was no time for Strange's shield to protect him. Beyond that, once you save (most) of the mutants Dr. Strange was familiar with, you can use the vagaries of Wanda's power as an explanation for why the depowering effect was, well, random.

Wasn't it those that were protected by Stranger's spell and those mindlinked w/ Emma?

[Ryan K]

Would you really want though your X-Men depowered? I mean come on...do I want to read comics about 7 powered Mutants and no one else? Wanda's woogie still had a huge huge huge impact on the X-Men.

Of course we wouldn't want that. But the way it was done was stupid IMO (hell, doing it period was stupid IMO but that's a discussion for another time). Wanda said "no more mutants", not "no more unpopular mutants" or something like that.

[Affinity]

Ah, but of course. So much for things making sense when they should. That would have been a nice scene for Deadly Genesis, one I really would have enjoyed.

[The Fury]

Would you really want though your X-Men depowered? I mean come on...do I want to read comics about 7 powered Mutants and no one else? Wanda's woogie still had a huge huge huge impact on the X-Men.
Yes it did. If that huge impact was named Lorna. Iceman at first but that was quickly changed, But this was the odd thing, it was meant to be random, not lets keep the x-men and screw every other mutant.

I don't know, I think this could be a no-prize winning theory. There was no way that most of the X-men would be depowered anyway.

Pietro was at the epicenter of the effect- there was no time for Strange's shield to protect him. Beyond that, once you save (most) of the mutants Dr. Strange was familiar with, you can use the vagaries of Wanda's power as an explanation for why the depowering effect was, well, random.
Okay, why do people alwasy say 'shield'? there was no shield, it was a incantation to counter what Wanda was doing, Strange did it on instinct, I highly doubt he had time to indiviually pick which mutants kept their powers.

Wasn't it those that were protected by Stranger's spell and those mindlinked w/ Emma?
Apparently that is only the ones that remember the HoM, not who kept their powers.

Or it should be, but Nightcrawler doesn't remember and it seems Toad doesn;t either. And Rogue. And Rogue was uber-powerful at the time.

[someone777]

The one thing I can't figure out is that it was Mister Sinister that was the one that showed interest in Summers and his family. And sied he know what happened to his 3rd brother. And hinted at Gambit or someone I don't remember that he was the one behind at what happened to him. But now it's Xavier (AKA, Plot hole) that was the on behind it. WHAT! What now Marvel is going to tell us that it was Xavier the hole time and Mister Sinister was never real. New plot hole story line Xavier is Mister Sinister. :confused: I don't get it???????

[Brian M.]

The one thing I can't figure out is that it was Mister Sinister that was the one that showed interest in Summers and his family. And sied he know what happened to his 3rd brother. And hinted at Gambit or someone I don't remember that he was the one behind at what happened to him. But now it's Xavier (AKA, Plot hole) that was the on behind it. WHAT! What now Marvel is going to tell us that it was Xavier the hole time and Mister Sinister was never real. New plot hole story line Xavier is Mister Sinister. :confused: I don't get it???????

Stop doing cocaine.

[TinMan]

The one thing I can't figure out is that it was Mister Sinister that was the one that showed interest in Summers and his family. And sied he know what happened to his 3rd brother. And hinted at Gambit or someone I don't remember that he was the one behind at what happened to him. But now it's Xavier (AKA, Plot hole) that was the on behind it. WHAT! What now Marvel is going to tell us that it was Xavier the hole time and Mister Sinister was never real. New plot hole story line Xavier is Mister Sinister. :confused: I don't get it???????

Punctuation, grammar and proper spelling are your friends. Methamphetamines are not.

[Ryan K]

The one thing I can't figure out is that it was Mister Sinister that was the one that showed interest in Summers and his family. And sied he know what happened to his 3rd brother. And hinted at Gambit or someone I don't remember that he was the one behind at what happened to him. But now it's Xavier (AKA, Plot hole) that was the on behind it. WHAT! What now Marvel is going to tell us that it was Xavier the hole time and Mister Sinister was never real. New plot hole story line Xavier is Mister Sinister. :confused: I don't get it???????

I have no idea what you just said. Friendly suggestion: try to stucture your thoughts more clearly.

Is it so hard to believe that Sinister came across intel that Vulcan (possibly) existed and was simply taunting Cyclops?

Gambit isn't a Summers' brother. Sinister has never suggested that he was within continuity. X-Men: The End is (at least for now) strictly out of continuity.

As far as I remember there is no in continuity suggestions that Adam X is/was related to the Summers'. All of that information came from the writers later. They pretty much said this is what we wanted to do and couldn't (or something like that).

[someone777]

I have no idea what you just said. Friendly suggestion: try to stucture your thoughts more clearly.

Is it so hard to believe that Sinister came across intel that Vulcan (possibly) existed and was simply taunting Cyclops?

Gambit isn't a Summers' brother. Sinister has never suggested that he was within continuity. X-Men: The End is (at least for now) strictly out of continuity.

As far as I remember there is no in continuity suggestions that Adam X is/was related to the Summers'. All of that information came from the writers later. They pretty much said this is what we wanted to do and couldn't (or something like that).

First of all I nver siad that Gambit was the 3rd brother. All I siad is that ether him or someone else came across some intel that Sinister was behind the 3rd brother. That's all. And this came befor X-Men: The End. And yes it is out of out of continuity (for now).

[Ryan K]

First of all I nver siad that Gambit was the 3rd brother. All I siad is that ether him or someone else came across some intel that Sinister was behind the 3rd brother. That's all. And this came befor X-Men: The End. And yes it is out of out of continuity (for now).

I wasn't sure what you were saying (or asking) so I just addressed everything (I thought) I was able to decipher. My apologies.

[someone777]

I wasn't sure what you were saying (or asking) so I just addressed everything (I thought) I was able to decipher. My apologies.

That's Ok, all I was saying is check your plot holes before doing a big story like X-Men: Deadly Genesis.

[Brian M.]

Here's the thing. Sinister has been shown to have files on everyone, Vulcan was on Earth for sometime, but obviously he spent the remaining years on an Asteroid in space. Sinister could have known of the kid but since he was thought dead couldn't do crap about it.

[someone777]

That sill don't cover for a fact that there where hints that he was the one behind the 3rd brother. :confused: Are doues past storys don't matter any more. Just the big name writer how want's to piss on what other writers worked so hard on.

[TinMan]

That sill don't cover for a fact that there where hints that he was the one behind the 3rd brother. :confused: Are doues past storys don't matter any more. Just the big name writer how want's to piss on what other writers worked so hard on.

Umm, where are these hints? I don't recall them? I'm truly asking here cause I don't know.

[Faded]

The only theory I have why the X-Men were kept powered is that Wanda wants things to get caught. Its her looney logic. She wants to make a point, but in the end does want it reversed and knows the X-Men are capable of doing that.

Would you really want though your X-Men depowered? I mean come on...do I want to read comics about 7 powered Mutants and no one else? Wanda's woogie still had a huge huge huge impact on the X-Men.

I'd have to disagree here. Its basically the same X-Men with a slightly different landscape. As much as I like them, I don't think depowering Feral, Moonstar, and hell even Polaris really made a big impact on the X-Men as a whole.

[Will.S]

I'd have to disagree here. Its basically the same X-Men with a slightly different landscape. As much as I like them, I don't think depowering Feral, Moonstar, and hell even Polaris really made a big impact on the X-Men as a whole.
The X-Men's landscape has been significantly changed Faded. Sentinels are patrolling the grounds, the "198" showing up with tent city, Apocalypse re-emerging, Vulcan coming to be......stuff like that.

[Ryan K]

The X-Men's landscape has been significantly changed Faded. Sentinels are patrolling the grounds, the "198" showing up with tent city, Apocalypse re-emerging, Vulcan coming to be......stuff like that.

How long will the Sentinels or the 198 be there though? How long before its just back to business as usual, just with less mutants.

While its true Apocalypse reawakening was due to the Decimation, it easily could not have been. Marvel used the event as a catalyst for his reawakening, but anything would have sufficed. Same with Vulcan his story spins out of Decimation in a round about way, but would still easily have happened if it weren't for Decimation.

I guess I just don't see the landscape as being changed taht much in the big picture. Once all of the mini sereis have run out and its back to day to day adventures we'll see.

[Crimson]

JUST read the issue. The art got considerably better, and a lot of the sequences were fun to read and watch. The writing has increased tenfold since Brubaker was said to be on Uncanny---I'm actually looking forward to that now (although Tan can go drown in the sea for all I care).

Personally, I enjoyed how our theory came into fruition. It's kind of boring, reiterating what we already know, but its still very very interesting and kind of cool. I almost feel as if Marvel took our idea, since we deciphered it by issue 2. Now all we need is for the details to be smoothed out.

I didn't quite get Chip's last sentence. So, from what I gathered, the 1/2 Team was successful in finding the original team, but then they too were trapped. At which point, Xavier sent the giant size team, which found both 1 and 1/2 but was only successful in saving 1. I haven't read Giant Size X-Men #1 and don't know how the story goes. So, I'm guessing the Team 1 and Giant Size should have gone back for 1/2, but Xavier used cerebro to make them forget about 1/2 because he didn't want to risk it, which is why Kurt, Wolverine, and Piotr are in the story, too.

Oh, wait. Doesn't Wolverine remember all of his past now? Shouldn't that reflect in here? Wanda reversed his mind wipes from Weapon X...she could easily overcome Xavier's too, I'd imagine.

When did Wolverine get mind wiped in DG (so far)? As far as I can see Wolverine didn't come along till X-Men 1.5 went missing, so it was only the orignal X-Men who were mind wiped and the all new, all different X-Men just weren't told.

[Ryan K]

When did Wolverine get mind wiped in DG (so far)? As far as I can see Wolverine didn't come along till X-Men 1.5 went missing, so it was only the orignal X-Men who were mind wiped and the all new, all different X-Men just weren't told.

I took it to mean if Wolverine's memory was unlocked, why wouldn't Cyclops' memory be unlocked as well. What's the difference?

[Faded]

The X-Men's landscape has been significantly changed Faded. Sentinels are patrolling the grounds, the "198" showing up with tent city, Apocalypse re-emerging, Vulcan coming to be......stuff like that.

Okay slightly was the wrong word. :o

But I stand by the feeling that the makeup of the X-Men hasn't changed significantly IMO. Its mostly different circumstances now (due to House of M that is).

BTW I forget, was Deadly Genesis supposed to tie in with Decimation/HoM?

[Ryan K]

BTW I forget, was Deadly Genesis supposed to tie in with Decimation/HoM?

It was listed as one of the Decimation mini's but hasn't had the banner for whatever reason.

[TinMan]

Okay slightly was the wrong word. :o

But I stand by the feeling that the makeup of the X-Men hasn't changed significantly IMO. Its mostly different circumstances now (due to House of M that is).

BTW I forget, was Deadly Genesis supposed to tie in with Decimation/HoM?

Not really tie in, but spin-out; IE Vulcan being "awoken" by the release of all the mutant energies.

[someone777]

I'd have to disagree here. Its basically the same X-Men with a slightly different landscape. As much as I like them, I don't think depowering Feral, Moonstar, and hell even Polaris really made a big impact on the X-Men as a whole.

No, both Moonstar and Polaris big impacts happened before Decimation. After that the only big impact was leave. Most of the time all they did was bacome a bum on the log. You know, Bow ho, I have no powers anymore.

[Crimson]

I took it to mean if Wolverine's memory was unlocked, why wouldn't Cyclops' memory be unlocked as well. What's the difference?

What do you mean?

Wolverine has all of his memorys... but he didn't m