Steven T Seagle & Joe Kelly "Spoilers " ...

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Combing thru my Wizard's for the Harras or Alpha Flight series 2 mention ( where they remark that it ended due to his leaving) I came across this fun spoilers. In fact Kelly and Seagle had plans to split the 2 books on different paths.


Seagle: His plans were to use the 70's Mutants like Wolverine , Colossas and Storm. Cyclops was to lead this team . It was gonna be a more active team and a future story-arc was set up by plots where Jean Grey's powers start growing as someone who has watched during the original "Dark Pheonix Saga " shows up.

Kelly: Had plans to use Celia Reyes , Marrow , and Cannonball on his team. He also talked about using Kitty Pryde !


Wow....why did the editors f-ck this up ? I would have loved to seen what these 2 had planned.

[Keith_Martineau]

The question really isn't "why?" We know why. They weren't smart.

The REAL question is "how?" How on Earth could they be so stupid?

[Neolucifer]

Wow....why did the editors f-ck this up ? I would have loved to seen what these 2 had planned.

i'll be the jerk here , i'm glad it didnt go through :D .
More seriously the first team could have been great ...
As for the second , well sorry but i hate marrow too much :p

[LoneWolf21]

Yeah, if I remember right, Kelly's team was going to include Beast as sort of a leader/mentor figure, plus Cannonball, Cecelia Reyes, Marrow, Maggott, and I think Kitty.

I'm dissapointed that it didn't pull through either, I really enjoyed their tenure on the books. Kelly's X-Men led me to his Deadpool, which lead me to his JLA (which I liked) which led to his JLElite (which I thought was fun in an action movie sort of way)

[protege]

Um, which book are you talking about, exactly?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Um, which book are you talking about, exactly?


Seagle on Uncanny and Kelly was on X-Men in 1997 & 98. Damn shame what happened.

[jcp011c]

Seagles' run was meh but i think he would have had great characters to use.

kelly's run was actually very good and very underrated. One of the top 4 writers have to done the X-books justice (even though it was a very short run) so I think this plan would have worked very well for him, as well.

[fishtaco]

I heard about Seagle planning that Dark Phoenix Saga gimmick. I'm glad Bob Harras did something right by nixing it.

[Faded]

Yeah, if I remember right, Kelly's team was going to include Beast as sort of a leader/mentor figure, plus Cannonball, Cecelia Reyes, Marrow, Maggott, and I think Kitty.

I heard Sabra and Iceman would've be part of it too.

[protege]

Seagle on Uncanny and Kelly was on X-Men in 1997 & 98. Damn shame what happened.
I'm sure I wouldn't have picked up Kelly's run.

[Brian M.]

I heard about Seagle planning that Dark Phoenix Saga gimmick. I'm glad Bob Harras did something right by nixing it.

Why b/c your hero wasn't writing it? Why shouldn't another writer be allowed to make another Dark Phoenix story?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I'm sure I wouldn't have picked up Kelly's run.


Kelly wrote the best Marrow though. When she took her bone and throated Wolverine....damn. I was like bowing down to her bad assery . Shame what happened.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I gotta clear this up. From what I read of Seagle's plot it was that Jean's powers would start manifesting more like the Phoenix and a figure who has watched since the " DP Saga " would emerge. It could have been something really different. We'll never know.


And where is Steven T Seagle now ?

[streator]

i really enjoyed the x-books when seagle/kelly were writing them.
i wish they could have stuck around longer, but it's well in the past now.

/i'm actually finding it odd to think that x-men 70 came out that long ago.
//feeling old, even though i know others are older around here.

[Brian M.]

I gotta clear this up. From what I read of Seagle's plot it was that Jean's powers would start manifesting more like the Phoenix and a figure who has watched since the " DP Saga " would emerge. It could have been something really different. We'll never know.


And where is Steven T Seagle now ?

Gee that sounds like Morrison right there. He really is innovative uh.

[jcp011c]

i really enjoyed the x-books when seagle/kelly were writing them.
i wish they could have stuck around longer, but it's well in the past now.

/i'm actually finding it odd to think that x-men 70 came out that long ago.
//feeling old, even though i know others are older around here.

They are still a run that, to me, hold up to the test of time. X-men 70 is one of my all time favorite issues.

....I don't know why i felt the need to share that. I'm feeling superfluously generous :D

[Faded]

I would've loved Kelly's book. The lineup alone was one I really would've loved.

[Bart Simpson]

I heard about Seagle planning that Dark Phoenix Saga gimmick. I'm glad Bob Harras did something right by nixing it.


"Dark Phoenix Saga gimmick"? Where exactly did it say he was going to have her go dark? It just said someone was watching Jean since the DPS and most likely was going to go after her. Gee, sounds awfully similar to a certain OLD MAN's story about Jean during Revolution and the current stuff with Rachel. :rolleyes:

Hey Claremont left a used tissue at an old con....you want to buy it from me? Pricing starts at $100.

[Brian M.]

"Dark Phoenix Saga gimmick"? Where exactly did it say he was going to have her go dark? It just said someone was watching Jean since the DPS and most likely was going to go after her. Gee, sounds awfully similar to a certain OLD MAN's story about Jean during Revolution and the current stuff with Rachel. :rolleyes:

Hey Claremont left a used tissue at an old con....you want to buy it from me? Pricing starts at $100.

What's in the tissue?

[Hi-Fi]

I love Kelly and Seagle run in the x-books so I'd probably love this too.

[Dan Apodaca]

The Seagle/Kelly runs were boring, and moved at a snail's pace. They were telling stories that never went anywhere, and the stuff they added to the books was weird and ill-fitting.

[Bart Simpson]

What's in the tissue?

Claremont juice

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I had always wondered how this period of the X-Men was intended to go - let's be honest it was all set up and ready to go somewhere, and then just dropped. Hard.

I'm a rarity. I very much liked Cecelia Reyes, Marrow and Maggott. They were new (well bar Marrow) and interesting, after Zero Tolerance, and the feel of the books at this time was much more of adventure that you really had to get on board with. It was all about new beginnings and character work.

And then Excalibur ended. Kitty, Kurt and Peter returned, to have the whole of their personalities re-written with a crude and barely working biro, and the both books began to go to hell for a few years.............................

Real great shame. Both these teams actually interest me.

[fishtaco]

Why b/c your hero wasn't writing it? Why shouldn't another writer be allowed to make another Dark Phoenix story?LOL. Even if Claremont wrote it, I'd have a problem with it. The fact is that the story has been done before, and doing the same story over and over again is a bad idea. It's a gimmick. Lay off.

[Chiasm]

Personally I thought the Kelly / Seagle era pretty much sucked. Although given some of the stuff thats come since I might have to reevaluate that.

[Titan76]

I gotta clear this up. From what I read of Seagle's plot it was that Jean's powers would start manifesting more like the Phoenix and a figure who has watched since the " DP Saga " would emerge. It could have been something really different. We'll never know.


And where is Steven T Seagle now ?
I read on a website(can't remember the name) that the reason Jean was manifesting the Phoenix again was because Seagle was going to retcon her back into being the Phoenix again like Morrison did and was going to have Jean become pregnant and she was going to have Rachel in the 616 timeline. Which was the main reason he had her and Scott leave the X-men for a short time. But the editors said no to this.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I read on a website(can't remember the name) that the reason Jean was manifesting the Phoenix again was because Seagle was going to retcon her back into being the Phoenix again like Morrison did and was going to have Jean become pregnant and she was going to have Rachel in the 616 timeline. Which was the main reason he had her and Scott leave the X-men for a short time. But the editors said no to this.

You see, I think that would have worked. Even if Rachel had come back, and there had been two of her in the same timeline. It would still be logical character progression.

[grampa doowop]

Ahh...the Joe Kelly run...what wasn't there to like. Even if his intended stories didn't pan out like he intended, I thoroughly enjoyed his run. Kelly played the humor angle very well against the dark tone of the X-Men's then current circumstances - a gutted mansion, the aftermath of OZT, Scott and Jean leaving, angtsy new X-Men, etc. As someone else said, this was my first encounter with Kelly and that run alone made me check out an issue of Steampunk and some of his JLA run. I mean with his X-Men run you had:

- The Dr. Reyes/Beast relationship

- Dr. Reyes in the old Wasp costume - nice nod to the greater Marvel Universe

- Dr. Reyes reppin' NYC against an N'Garai...errr... Ru'tai

- The return of Storm's tiara

- Great character interaction - which made this such a great read. It wasn't your typical lineup, but it maintained that "family" aspect of the X-Men even with the new reluctant and difficult members.

- Marrow's relationships with Storm, Wolverine, and Cannonball

- Psylocke was an interesting character again - even before Claremont's recent resurrection of the character (and by that I mean personality-resurrection), Joe Kelly breathed life into her in two freakin' issues. I mean before this, her character was pretty much dead (no pun intended). But Kelly used the Shadow King to play off all the things that made Psylocke unique - a British woman in an Asian body, a telepath in the shadow of Jean Grey. Kelly made her playful, interesting, and tragic, again, all in the space of two issues. Interestingly enough, I believe that Kelly mentioned in a Wizard magazine that he just didn't get Psylocke at all, her being a Brit in an Asian woman's body. Thankfully he was wrong. :)

[Alex A Sanchez]

Ahh...the Joe Kelly run...what wasn't there to like. Even if his intended stories didn't pan out like he intended, I thoroughly enjoyed his run. Kelly played the humor angle very well against the dark tone of the X-Men's then current circumstances - a gutted mansion, the aftermath of OZT, Scott and Jean leaving, angtsy new X-Men, etc. As someone else said, this was my first encounter with Kelly and that run alone made me check out an issue of Steampunk and some of his JLA run. I mean with his X-Men run you had:

- The Dr. Reyes/Beast relationship

- Dr. Reyes in the old Wasp costume - nice nod to the greater Marvel Universe

- Dr. Reyes reppin' NYC against an N'Garai...errr... Ru'tai

- The return of Storm's tiara

- Great character interaction - which made this such a great read. It wasn't your typical lineup, but it maintained that "family" aspect of the X-Men even with the new reluctant and difficult members.

- Marrow's relationships with Storm, Wolverine, and Cannonball

- Psylocke was an interesting character again - even before Claremont's recent resurrection of the character (and by that I mean personality-resurrection), Joe Kelly breathed life into her in two freakin' issues. I mean before this, her character was pretty much dead (no pun intended). But Kelly used the Shadow King to play off all the things that made Psylocke unique - a British woman in an Asian body, a telepath in the shadow of Jean Grey. Kelly made her playful, interesting, and tragic, again, all in the space of two issues. Interestingly enough, I believe that Kelly mentioned in a Wizard magazine that he just didn't get Psylocke at all, her being a Brit in an Asian woman's body. Thankfully he was wrong. :)


So what is Kelly doing now? I would have loved to pick up the book he had planned. Intimates was one of my favorite comics of all time- I would love to see an X-men version.

[Faded]

I have a reinvigorated passion for these runs.

Though one of them wanted to kill Storm, and I just can't let that fly. :p

But still I liked the set-up and environment they had set up.

[Spirit of vengeance]

Yeah, if I remember right, Kelly's team was going to include Beast as sort of a leader/mentor figure, plus Cannonball, Cecelia Reyes, Marrow, Maggott, and I think Kitty.


I heard Sabra and Iceman would've be part of it too.

With Sabra and Iceman this team rocks! Where is Sabra now?

Dan

[LoneWolf21]

With Sabra and Iceman this team rocks! Where is Sabra now?

Dan

She was working for X-Corp Paris (taking the deceased Darkstar's spot of the roster) during Morrison's X-Men run. If she's been seen since, I have no idea where.

[jarrod]

I had always wondered how this period of the X-Men was intended to go - let's be honest it was all set up and ready to go somewhere, and then just dropped. Hard.

I'm a rarity. I very much liked Cecelia Reyes, Marrow and Maggott. They were new (well bar Marrow) and interesting, after Zero Tolerance, and the feel of the books at this time was much more of adventure that you really had to get on board with. It was all about new beginnings and character work.

And then Excalibur ended. Kitty, Kurt and Peter returned, to have the whole of their personalities re-written with a crude and barely working biro, and the both books began to go to hell for a few years.............................

Real great shame. Both these teams actually interest me.
Agreed, such a tragic waste of potential. I think Kurt got the worst of it though post-Excalibur, he's only now starting to resemble the thoughtful, capable, proactive leader he was during Excalibur.

And I love the suggested squads, I've been waiting for Sam and Kitty to be on the same team for decades now... as I'm understanding it, the breakdowns would've been...

Segale & Bachalo's Uncanny X-Men
-Cyclops
-Colossus
-Nightcrawler
-Phoenix
-Storm
-Rogue
-Wolverine

Kelly & Pacheco's X-Men
-Beast
-Cannonball
-Cecilia Reyes
-Iceman
-Maggot
-Marrow
-Shadowcat

..great mix of personalities and powersets there and the concept of "seasoned" and "junior" X-Men teams makes the most logical distinction we've yet seen (compared to the nonsensical Blue/Gold squads or the 3-way mess we've got now). Plus it would've been the first time the X-men had a nearly even male to female ratio since the Aussie days, which is always a good thing. :)

[jarrod]

I heard Sabra and Iceman would've be part of it too.
Iceman was going to be, but not Sabra iirc... Lobdell was intending on making her an X-Man though.

[RH_Duncan]

Iceman was going to be, but not Sabra iirc... Lobdell was intending on making her an X-Man though.
Thank God, I never liked Sabra

[fishtaco]

She was working for X-Corp Paris (taking the deceased Darkstar's spot of the roster) during Morrison's X-Men run. If she's been seen since, I have no idea where.She apparently transferred to X-Corporation is Mumbai, as seen in Excalibur (2nd Series) #5. She was working with M II, Thunderbird III, and Lifeguard. :)

[UniqueFrequency]

Agreed, such a tragic waste of potential. I think Kurt got the worst of it though post-Excalibur, he's only now starting to resemble the thoughtful, capable, proactive leader he was during Excalibur.

And I love the suggested squads, I've been waiting for Sam and Kitty to be on the same team for decades now... as I'm understanding it, the breakdowns would've been...

Segale & Bachalo's Uncanny X-Men
-Cyclops
-Colossus
-Nightcrawler
-Phoenix
-Storm
-Rogue
-Wolverine

Kelly & Pacheco's X-Men
-Beast
-Cannonball
-Cecilia Reyes
-Iceman
-Maggot
-Marrow
-Shadowcat

..great mix of personalities and powersets there and the concept of "seasoned" and "junior" X-Men teams makes the most logical distinction we've yet seen (compared to the nonsensical Blue/Gold squads or the 3-way mess we've got now). Plus it would've been the first time the X-men had a nearly even male to female ratio since the Aussie days, which is always a good thing. :)

indeed such a waste. At one point Joe Kelly wrote the X-men as the originals while Seagle had the 'faves' like Nightcrawler, Kitty, Colossus right?

[Siddon]

Bump . . . . . . . .

[protogarrett]

Cecilia was going to come back?

Am so sad. I miss her...

[Sentinel K]

Wow. This thread is a blast from the past.

2 vanishing acts, 3 bannings and a death (RIP)

I really need to read some of this run. I know nothing about it.