Batman: Hush Returns [Archive] - Comic Book Resources Forums

ouiyahtsiouiyah

02-14-2006, 10:02 PM

it was alright, except at the end Batman should have put a royal whuppin on Hush and Prometheus, no Batman has to Job to Hush every issue of GK since then,

I can't wait till they cancel it. Mayebe Joker will kill Hush in the next issue.

Paul Kersey

02-15-2006, 01:02 AM

If you don't use your brain when reading (like the original Hush storyline), it's fine. It's just when you read while using your brain, it doesn't hold up...:D

You didn't like the original HUSH? The story reading it as a whole wasn't as good because the mystery was lame. But when I was reading it month to month it I got into it. The story felt like it was leading up to something big, and then...well the ending wasn't good, but a fun ride.

Guts/Batman

02-15-2006, 01:09 AM

You didn't like the original HUSH? The story reading it as a whole wasn't as good because the mystery was lame. But when I was reading it month to month it I got into it. The story felt like it was leading up to something big, and then...well the ending wasn't good, but a fun ride.

I have the tpbs, I didn't read it month to month...

And I really, really, really dislike Hush. I used to like it, before I tried to reason it out in my head. Then it became a exercise in futility.

I would get into the reasons why I don't like it but I'll just find a link to a post of mine. Though I will say this again, at least half of the characters in the story have no viable reason to be there.

ryan_catcher

02-15-2006, 08:44 AM

You didn't like the original HUSH? The story reading it as a whole wasn't as good because the mystery was lame. But when I was reading it month to month it I got into it. The story felt like it was leading up to something big, and then...well the ending wasn't good, but a fun ride.

Put me down in the "eh" about Hush camp too. I liked it, but it doesn't even come close to The Long Halloween and Dark Victory.

I haven't read Hush Returns. I saw it in TPG form at Borders I might pick it up. Who wrote it?

Guts/Batman

02-15-2006, 01:50 PM

I haven't read Hush Returns. I saw it in TPG form at Borders I might pick it up. Who wrote it?

I'd guess AJ Lieberman...

GRANDPA

02-15-2006, 03:21 PM

anyone have scans of the batman villian hush :D

Guts/Batman

02-15-2006, 04:10 PM

anyone have scans of the batman villian hush :D

Google Image Search to the rescue :D :

Jim Lee Hush

http://www.legionsofgotham.org/COIMCShushwhite.jpg

xionice

02-15-2006, 08:15 PM

I bought the Hush Absolute Edition, which is pretty sweet, but is Hush Returns even worth me buying?

Guts/Batman

02-15-2006, 08:41 PM

I bought the Hush Absolute Edition, which is pretty sweet, but is Hush Returns even worth me buying?

Unless you realllllllllllyyyyyy like Hush as a character, no GK Hush story is worth buying.

GRANDPA

02-15-2006, 09:00 PM

Thank You :o

ShaggyB

02-15-2006, 11:16 PM

Ok so Hush takes a huge hit for the characters and general bs of it all. that being a new character who is given it all just so he can compete with bats, but why does everyone hate him so. I liked Lee's art in the original and Returns just had a good story, Joker = Gold as far as im concerned (when used correctly) The only thing i disliked is the murder of wife thing. Anyone remember Killing Joke? Oh well. Im enjoying the hush arc as it were, but then again im loven red hood too. IF you want a solid read pick it up, if you have a anti hush stigma, leave it be. Any one know if they will do a Hush vs Joker book?

Guts/Batman

02-16-2006, 01:44 AM

Why do people hate Hush?

1) The rediculous constant "Who is Hush?" storyline. That only works to a point. And that was the end of the original Hush storyline.

2) Writers want make him Deathstroke and, God, do we only need 1 Deathstroke in DCU.

3) He boring. Like the resurrected Jason Todd he brings nothing new to the table. It's pointless because we already have characters like that. Why do we need another?

4) Writers force the "A list" villain thing on the readers despite not showing why we, the reader, should think he is.

And no, gratutitus beatings of Joker and Prometheus (who was last shown soloing the JLA) don't get that message across. It just makes him annoying. Don't force badassness on the reader, it doesn't work.

And to answer the other question, yes, Joker got Hush back in the final issue of GK.

Die, GK, die.

jimmyboy

02-16-2006, 02:53 AM

Why do people hate Hush?

3) He boring. Like the resurrected Jason Todd he brings nothing new to the table. It's pointless because we already have characters like that. Why do we need another?

And no, gratutitus beatings of Joker and Prometheus (who was last shown soloing the JLA) don't get that message across. It just makes him annoying. Don't force badassness on the reader, it doesn't work.

That's a good way to put it. However, I do enjoy the Hush stories, including Hush Returns. One thing I did have a problem with is the sudden "badass-ness" of him. Why is he like that? When/how did he become Batman level, taking out the Joker, Riddler, AND Prometheus??? That's what I didn't get, and that's the only real problem I have with Hush. Otherwise, I did enjoy it all.

Jim Lee's art is fantastic, which is another thing I really enjoyed about the original Hush.

infoghost

02-16-2006, 05:19 AM

Hush returns wasn't bad, as a trade. If you collect all things Batman, get it. I've read much, much worse, and the art is pretty nice.

However, I do agree with everyone else - Hush overstayed his welcome, and it seemed like they made him THE baddest villain EVER - even more so than the Joker, or others. It's almost like he's Batman's equal, and I just don't buy it. I think the series really weakened some of the other classic bad guys, and I hope once the book is done, we can get back to the old days, when the Joker wasn't a sniveling joke, but someone to be feared.

PrimalScream

02-16-2006, 05:50 AM

I think Hush is always seemed more of a detective type villain like the riddler where it requires some thinking for batman to beat him. the whole "doctor is evil" thing works for me and reminds me of sherlock holme's rival/main villain.

thehead

02-16-2006, 06:12 AM

I think the aftermath of the loeb run with hush left a bad taste in everyones mouth. the pay off sucked in the end, the whole "who dunnit?" was a dissapointment. GK isn't that bad, just had to do a little more work than it did to get bat fans back on side. I have the floppys and I enjoyed it.

everyone to their own I guess

ShaggyB

02-16-2006, 09:53 PM

wow this board hates hush. let me get this straight, its because of his forced badassness? I see Pro was mentioned as being a BA by taken on JLA, anyone else look at him and go haha deadshot wannabe, ive seen nothing that makes me believe otherwise. I wont defend hush because his jump up has been done to quickly. punking riddler and joker was fun but i figure joker has his number and therefore the pecking order is returned. AS you all know i liked hush and red hood, so ehh whatever. lets just say alot of bat villians dont do it for me. these two draw for me, apparently im not the only one. sales are the key, GK turned into the Hush comic and it sold so who knows.

Guts/Batman

02-16-2006, 10:01 PM

I only bought "Hush" (and by that I mean GK), to laugh at it. Great hilariousness in it.

Watchman

02-16-2006, 10:06 PM

No I hate Hush because I hate the character. I hate the whole plot that surrounds the character. Did you read Guts' post? He basically sums up how I feel about this whole thing. Writers need to start doing a better job.

Forced badassness I can stand, and hell, it can work sometimes, but the whole badassness is seemingly running rampant all over the Bat-verse. Not only Hush, but also the Red Hood and Black Mask. Writers have done such a whack job of the whole thing that not only is the story not complete, it's not even entertaining.

The problem is not with the potential it has. I'm not here to say that all new characters suck. Hell, we need new characters to keep up with all the dead/abused/boring/etc ones (yes, the Joker being one of them). However, I didn't expect the new characters to attain such crappy characterizations driven by an even worse plot. The problem isn't the premise, it's the conclusion. The WRITERS. Just write a better story/character and I'll support this whole thing. Right now, it's not there at all.

Thank God better writers are coming in for OYL and beyond.

Guts/Batman

02-16-2006, 10:17 PM

By the way, Why the Hell wasn't the Clayface storyline finished up?

Watchman

02-16-2006, 10:28 PM

By the way, Why the Hell wasn't the Clayface storyline finished up?
Not sure Guts. Recent Bat-writers seem to have a knack of starting a plot without finishing it completely.

Guts/Batman

02-16-2006, 10:41 PM

Not sure Guts. Recent Bat-writers seem to have a knack of starting a plot without finishing it completely.

Especially the way #74 ended. That was pure bullshit in a can.

Watchman

02-16-2006, 10:51 PM

Especially the way #74 ended. That was pure bullshit in a can.
If you're talking about GK, then I don't even want to know. I don't buy crap.

#74 was the final issue right?

Guts/Batman

02-16-2006, 11:03 PM

If you're talking about GK, then I don't even want to know. I don't buy crap.

#74 was the final issue right?

Yea.

#74 was the last one.

BYC

02-17-2006, 12:19 AM

Amen on the writers. It seems like every book out there is so forced. It's hard to be original when lots of the material is 40-60 years old, but the "business as usual" type of writing has turned me off for a few years now.

PrimalScream

02-17-2006, 09:04 AM

I only bought "Hush" (and by that I mean GK), to laugh at it. Great hilariousness in it.

well it's your money at the end of the day.

Guts/Batman

02-17-2006, 02:20 PM

well it's your money at the end of the day.

It's worth it if only to watch a good train wreck in action. It's like rewinding the train wreck and watching it happen again and again and again.

I hardly consider it a waste of money.

Gargus

02-18-2006, 02:22 PM

I hope its better than hush1. Not that I didnt enjoy it but towards the end it all started to unravel and became less than what it could have been.

1-10 kicked much ass though Ill give it that.

Not bad, but not great either.