THE FLASH: News, wishlist & speculation

[Sharcque]

:mad: Someone at Newsarama is claiming that the new creative team on Flash is gonna be Ken "Terminally Late" Lashley on art duties, and the old writing team fromthe Flash tv series! WTF?!?!?!?!? Does anyone know if this has been confirmed?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

:mad: Someone at Newsarama is claiming that the new creative team on Flash is gonna be Ken "Terminally Late" Lashley on art duties, and the old writing team fromthe Flash tv series! WTF?!?!?!?!? Does anyone know if this has been confirmed?


That series featured Barry Allen didn't it ? And who were worked on the Flash series ? :eek:

[Sharcque]

I just looked the writers up:


Denise Skinne pilot episode
Danny Bilson pilot episode
Howard Chaykin writer
Paul De Meo pilot episode
Gardner Fox character
Gail Morgan Hickman writer
Robert Kanigher character
Harry Lampert characters
John Francis Moore writer
Jim Trombetta writer

[Tomodachi]

Arrrggghhhh....I was hoping one of the Kuberts might be the artist on the new Flash series. Here's to hoping....

[stealthwise]

Everyone on Newsarama (and by that I mean the posters) seem to think that Mark Waid is returning to the character.

[CaptainAwesome]

Well as long as there is a new flash series its cool with me.

[Captain Jim]

I don't think there's any question about that--despite the fact it hasn't been announced yet.

[CaptainAwesome]

I don't think there's any question about that--despite the fact it hasn't been announced yet.
Its mentioned at the end of the last flash issue.

[Paul Newell]

I don't think there's any question about that--despite the fact it hasn't been announced yet.
It has now:

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Flash/NewFlash.htm

[Gingold]

That's a pretty underwhelming anouncement. I was never that big of a fan of the tv series and Ken Lashey's art has never appealed to me all that much. That said, those developmental sketches look pretty good. I'm a big enough fan of the Flash in general, so I'll give this a try. I was hoping for something a little more, well, flashy.

[CaptainAwesome]

So...multiple flashes. Maybe wally will start the series as an old guy because they were really sent through a time warp and young adult Bart will take over by issue #4 or #5. Just my theory.

[mohammedali]

There will be 2 Flashs'. One male and one female. They will be the son and daughter of Wally West. Mark my words.

Mohammed Ali

[Ilash]

Well, this sounds pretty damned crappy. Have they actually seen that corny as hell series. Sure, I enjoyed it back in the day but I would keep those writers as far away from the Flash comic as possible. Seriously, they're following Mark Waid and Geoff Johns with this?! And I really do hope that Wally (and family) and Bart are still around after Infinite Crisis. Ah well, the art looks good anyway.

[superman1984]

Sounds and looks good to me! I am a huge fan of the tv show and the developmental sketches look good too

[SUPERECWFAN1]

So...multiple flashes. Maybe wally will start the series as an old guy because they were really sent through a time warp and young adult Bart will take over by issue #4 or #5. Just my theory.


Thats my thinking too. That Wally will age and become the older type who has to retire and Bart will have to step in. If its anything else....BLAH. This wouldn't be worth the crap its printed on.

[Babylon23]

While I was a little underwhelmed at first, upon reflection, this may not be too bad. Lashley's artwork looks good. He's certainly developed in leaps and bounds over the years.

As for the writers, they sound like they have a love for the character, so it may not be too bad.

[Xero]

There will be 2 Flashs'. One male and one female. They will be the son and daughter of Wally West. Mark my words.

Mohammed Ali

Hitching my wagon to this train.

[CaptainAwesome]

Thats my thinking too. That Wally will age and become the older type who has to retire and Bart will have to step in. If its anything else....BLAH. This wouldn't be worth the crap its printed on.
I could take it if the kids took over. I just would hate it if they were both the flash at the same time. Like maybe one really screws up or dies so the other has to take over. All in all its on the writers to make it not suck. We'll just have to wait and see.

[The Wayner]

I liked the tv show, and I'm looking forward to a new #1... bring it on! :cool:

[Tom]

I have to admit, I'm underwhelmed. For all the talk of a new direction, they're still putting a speedster in a Barry Allen costume. We've had that for that last 50 years.

[CaptainAwesome]

Speaking of the costume look at the guy on the left. Is he wearing goggles? The flash cant wear goggles! Part of the flash is that he is open to the public. Hero of the people. His mask reflects that with the big open eye holes. It sounds silly, but thats one thing that would really bother me about a new flash. :mad:

[Will.S]

I have to admit, I'm underwhelmed. For all the talk of a new direction, they're still putting a speedster in a Barry Allen costume. We've had that for that last 50 years.
So you're looking for a more radical redesign eh?

I dunno about this, if Bart is the new Flash I'll be happy but the writers other than the Flash TV show(which I liked) kind of make me nervous. Ken Lashley looks solid but I would have gotten someone else.

[Justin D.]

Some redesign on the costume might not have been a bad idea, but I don't think too much is really needed. There are some slight changes between each Flash in the picture.

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Flash/FlashSketch01.jpg

Check out the earpieces and logos. Each Flash has a different take on them. Now, that could just be Lashley experimenting with Flash's look or it could have something to do with what Didio said about readers not getting comfortable with the first Flash we see. I have a feeling we'll see many Flashes in the book. This may be a book where we see Jay, Barry, Wally, and Bart all playing the lead role. In fact, I'd even guess we may see an Adam Strange type story going on with Flash, whoever is playing the role, only having a limited time on Earth to get a job done. That may play up some emotional issues. All of that is just speculation though.

[Buried Alien]

This may be a book where we see Jay, Barry, Wally, and Bart all playing the lead role.

I would *love* to see that. Hope you're on the money with this one, Justin.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[Justin D.]

I would *love* to see that. Hope you're on the money with this one, Justin.

Figured you'd like that. Remember though, that Barry's still essentially dead. My speculation means that each person playing the Flash would not have much ability to keep up relationships with others. A real emotional and psychological twister. Hmm, it sounds similar to the loophole Marv Wolfman had planned o bring Barry back after CoiE.

[Buried Alien]

Figured you'd like that. Remember though, that Barry's still essentially dead. My speculation means that each person playing the Flash would not have much ability to keep up relationships with others. A real emotional and psychological twister. Hmm, it sounds similar to the loophole Marv Wolfman had planned o bring Barry back after CoiE.

It also borrows somewhat from Mark Waid's "Composite Flash" concept from KINGDOM COME...not quite exactly the same, but somewhat similar.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[Ultraman Max]

Yeah I noticed the design differences between the five Flash shots as well and with what he said about multiple Flashes I figured they could go with 2 different takes:

1) A Captain Universe direction where the Flash powers hit a random person for a period of time.

or

2) The Five characters we saw go into the speed force (Barry, Wally, Bart, Max, and Johnny) all end up sharing the role, only able to exist for a limited time on our plane or something.

[CaptainAwesome]

Maybe the flash will have only one body, but all the minds of previous flashes will be stuck in one body.

Another thing: I read in wizard that a new openly gay character will show up in 52 and will later get an ongoing. So what do you think if the next flash is gay?

[Tom]

Maybe the flash will have only one body, but all the minds of previous flashes will be stuck in one body.

Another thing: I read in wizard that a new openly gay character will show up in 52 and will later get an ongoing. So what do you think if the next flash is gay?
I doubt that very much. Although Obsidian (finally!) came out of the closet last week.

[Ultraman Max]

I doubt that very much. Although Obsidian (finally!) came out of the closet last week.


Where was this? I remember that being a whole subplot in the last couple of years of Justice League America post zero hour and pre-Morrison. Everyone seemed to think that he had a thing for Nuklon/Atom Smasher and he would end up throwing a fit.

[Tom]

In Manhunter. He's apparently joining the supporting cast as Todd Rice. He's dating Kate's secretary. Even kissed him onscreen and everything.

[MWGallaher]

I won't presume that Bilson and DeMeo's work in the comic book format will suffer from the flaws of the tv series, but I've just gotta say, it was ironic that the tv show felt so blasted *slow*...I watched out of dedication, but I remember every week checking my watch, wondering if it was almost over yet! And it never seemed to be...

[Captain Jim]

I loved the TV show, and the preliminary art seems fine, so I'll definitely check it out. I have absolutely no clue as to who the lead character(s) will be, however, and think this sounds a little strange at the moment.

[Brian R]

If Wally is dead, or if they dont include him in the new title some how, I will be severely upset. Wally has been my favorite comic book character for a while, and this change isnt exactly what I had hoped for. At this point, I will take anything I can get.

[Malaclypse]

This actually has me hoping that the book starts with Wally as the Flash, Barry returns and Wally decides to retire from superheroics, possibly even passing his connection to the speed force on so he can raise his family. Then having a 'Flash Family' book with Barry, Jay and Bart as the core, backup features with XS and Max Mercury.

Wouldn't it be great if Wally's story had a happy ending like that?

[SpeedForce]

Found this link at Newsarama.com.

http://torontocomicon.com/story.asp?storyID=20

Looks like these guys are going to take us for some serious ride. Woohoo! Give me my Flash now dammit!!!!

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/5900/picturesflash5sn.th.jpg (http://img229.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picturesflash5sn.jpg)

*Drools at the lovely artwork.. Is the original piece for sale? I want to buy it or have a copy of it before the movie version comes out :D

KEN! You and DRAXHALL rock!! :D

[CaptainAwesome]

So it looks like they are actually seperate characters in that image. The other pic was uncolored, so I assumed it was the same guy in different poses. This makes me think that they are all different characters.

[SuperManny]

I doubt that very much. Although Obsidian (finally!) came out of the closet last week.

So it was hinted at before? Or just subtle references?

Just curious!

[Justin D.]

With the new colored picture, those are definitely different characters. I even see one wearing goggles. Maybe it's a team of Flashes a la the GL Corps.

[handOFfate]

I loved John's run on the Flash, but the new creative team makes me nervous. What do you want to see out of the new title?

1. Slightly less spotlight on Wally and a little more on Jay and Bart. I love the whole Flash family and it'd be pretty cool to see them in individual stories every once in a while, as long as they don't forget that its mainly about Wally.

2. Less rogue spotlight. I like the rogues as much as anyone, but they were getting too much focus towards the end of John's run. It was getting to be more about them than Wally.

3. I'd like to see some of John's ideas picked up and used. I want to see how Kid Flash and Captain Boomerang cope with being half-brothers. I want to see how Wally deals with being a dad. I want to see Axel Walker return to attempt revenge on Trickster.

4. I was pretty unsatisfied with the conclusion of Rogue Wars, with the Top's manipulation of the "reformed" rogues. I thought it was an interesting idea that John's should have followed through with. I realize that by doing so he was taking several vital members of the rogue gallery away, but Johns/Waid have been doing a pretty good job of giving Wally his own distinct rogues with guys like Cicada, Murmer, kid Captain Boomerang, Axel Walker, and Double Down. I loved the idea that Barry and Wally each have their own villains with a few layovers. It makes the two more distinctive from each other.

[The Wayner]

I want to see Barry as the full-time Scarlet Speedster, again.

That's it.

[Violently Apathetic]

Wally. Lots of Wally *cranky* Not that I don't love Jay and Bart, I do, but Wally is my main man.


3. I'd like to see some of John's ideas picked up and used. I want to see how Kid Flash and Captain Boomerang cope with being half-brothers. I want to see how Wally deals with being a dad. I want to see Axel Walker return to attempt revenge on Trickster.


That's my other wish.

[mohammedali]

Seems like most of you will get your wish all at the same time.

[Hellstormer]

I wanna see Mas Y Menos :D

[Gingold]

I want Jay as Flash. In the helmet. With Bart as his sidekick.

[Apathy Boy]

What do I want? The Speed Force gone for good and no Team Flash. The former because it was a dopey idea and the latter because Waid and Johns both ended their runs with lengthy periods in which Wally was nothing more than a supporting character in his book. It's time for a book that focuses on THE Flash only. I can live with it being Wally or Jay (Bart can stick with the Titans).

Oh yeah, and I'm also hoping for well-written stories and good art.

[davros42]

Jay Garrick all the way.

[Mainline]

I have my own wishes about character and plot, but to more overarching considerations:

- Flash should be FUN. Flash ought not be consumed by angst, character flaws, or depression. Flash should enjoy his powers, enjoy his job, and be a spirit of optimism. Flash isn't driven by a great guilt, a burning vengeance, or a heavy burden of responsibility. Legacy is all fine and good, but Wally hit his stride when he cast off the buren of the cowl and embraced the joy that put him in that profession to begin with. This should carry on.

- Flash should be FAST. There's a strong temptation to handicap a speedster in order to make tales more plausible, but the reality is that compelling stories work regardless, as Johns's run demonstrates. The truth is that people just want good stories and all but the most geeky are willing to forgive power inconsistencies for the sake of them.

- Flash should be FULL. Action packed, a rich setting, supporting characters, and continuing drama. What makes Flash so impressive is that it has been one of the most consistently gratifying action book... plot and characterization worked in, but always an adventure. It may be easy to get side-tracked and try to spend a lot of time on talking heads, but remember that we're ultimately buying to book to wath the Flash do his thing.

[Michael P]

Wally West.

[Cowlander]

Since DC and Marvel are trying to ad some diversity to the mix. How about an Asian scarlet speedster. A guy gets the powers similarly to Wally a bolt out of the blue. The mystery is ow and why if the SF is broken. Later on we find out it was everyone from the speed forced failed attempt at getting out of the speed force. He eventually helps everyone to succesfully get free and joila(sp?) we have a new member of the flash family.

An add everything Mainline said great post, i wish more books across the board were like that.

[The Shadow]

ABSOLUTLY... POSITIVLY... NO BARRY ALLEN!

In any way, shape or form.

God... the guys dead and gone... time to move on.

[Buried Alien]

ABSOLUTLY... POSITIVLY... NO BARRY ALLEN!

In any way, shape or form.

God... the guys dead and gone... time to move on.

I'd like to see more Barry Allen and all the others as well, maybe in rotation. I'm only moving on if I like where I'm going.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[The Shadow]

I'd like to see more Barry Allen and all the others as well, maybe in rotation.
How'd I KNOW you were gonna say that? :p

[Wannabe]

I'd like to see less SuperFlash. Get rid of the speed steal and limit his powers to what they were before the speed force was discovered.

[Hellstormer]

I wanna seen Walter West, The Crimson flash, come back.

[Young Avenger]

I want to see Mark Hamill as The Trickster

[Viking Bastard]

Some lightsabers. And pirates. And ninjas.

Gasp!

Ninja Pirates with Lightsabres!

At superspeed!

[Mainline]

Some lightsabers. And pirates. And ninjas.

Gasp!

Ninja Pirates with Lightsabres!

At superspeed!

While I'm sure you're attempting a joke, the irony is that this more or less already took place during "Dead Heat". Speed Ninjas wielding glowing sabers, pirating the Speed Force cutting off the speedsters from the source of their powers.

[Viking Bastard]

Oooh. And they should fight dinsosaurs.

With lasers.

[handOFfate]

I'd like to see less SuperFlash. Get rid of the speed steal and limit his powers to what they were before the speed force was discovered.

I actually like the boosted powers. The only problem is is that it kinda makes his trouble with the rogues a little unbelievable. How can you have trouble with Captain Cold if you have near-Superman abilities? It's not like Wally uses his speed-stealing abilities a lot. It's cool that he can pretty much go toe-to-toe with most of the uber-powerful heroes and villains.

[Hellstormer]

Wally needs as many powers as he can get because he's not much of a threat withut them.

[Black Hole]

I'd like to see more Barry Allen and all the others as well, maybe in rotation. I'm only moving on if I like where I'm going.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)


Great idea. I would love the rotation idea. One speedster at a time is "spit out" of the speedforce, not knowing how long he has (we know they only have ONE story arc lol) or what they are supposed to do before they are called back "home" and the next guy gets his shot.

[The Shadow]

Oooh. And they should fight dinsosaurs.

With lasers.
That'd be cool.

any dinosaur story is a good one in my books.

[multiplexo]

I have my own wishes about character and plot, but to more overarching considerations:

- Flash should be FUN. Flash ought not be consumed by angst, character flaws, or depression. Flash should enjoy his powers, enjoy his job, and be a spirit of optimism. Flash isn't driven by a great guilt, a burning vengeance, or a heavy burden of responsibility. Legacy is all fine and good, but Wally hit his stride when he cast off the buren of the cowl and embraced the joy that put him in that profession to begin with. This should carry on.

- Flash should be FAST. There's a strong temptation to handicap a speedster in order to make tales more plausible, but the reality is that compelling stories work regardless, as Johns's run demonstrates. The truth is that people just want good stories and all but the most geeky are willing to forgive power inconsistencies for the sake of them.

- Flash should be FULL. Action packed, a rich setting, supporting characters, and continuing drama. What makes Flash so impressive is that it has been one of the most consistently gratifying action book... plot and characterization worked in, but always an adventure. It may be easy to get side-tracked and try to spend a lot of time on talking heads, but remember that we're ultimately buying to book to wath the Flash do his thing.

You said it brutha man. Flash works best when it's light. The whole "let's get all Marvelly, kill Barry's wife, kill Wally's twins, put Barry on trial, yaddadaa, yadada, yadada" thing just doesn't work.

I like Wally West as the Flash and I like the Speed Force, I think it's a neat concept. I'd like to see Wally follow in Barry's footsteps and become a police scientist, I'd like to see Jay Garrick finally fade into the sunset (he's got to be over 90 years old now). I'd like to see the Flash drawn as a sklnny guy with a runner's physique rather than as your generically overmuscled superhero and Hell, while I'm wishing I'd like to see Carmine Infantino do a couple of issues because nobody but nobody does speed lines like him.

[jadegiant77]

Barry stays dead.

Mas y Menos get beaten every issue. :evilsmile

One Flash. The Flash Family shouldn't show up as much(maybe the old All-Flash Quarterly should be revived to shocase the various[sp]speedsters). It would be cool if Bart was the Flash and we got to see more of his "Mentat" abilities(he read an entire library, for crissakes, and nothing really interesting was ever done with that fact!~)--he's basically a human computer now.

Speed Force must return, but the next time Wally goes in, it has to be for keeps. The revolving door policy on that place only cheapens the idea.

[nuclearman]

No I think Barry has to stay dead.

I'd like to see Wally be a little more relaxed like he is in unlimited .. maybe dump the wife... go rogue..??

[Rokk]

I'm going with Wally West. And, I like the boosted super speed.

[glennsim]

I guess I want it to be Wally, but I would settle for Bart, but basically I want it to be like the Justice League cartoon version - a little full of himself, but with a great sense of humor. Maybe Peter David or another writer known for their humor should run the title for a while.

[Chiasm]

One speedster, preferably Wally. Having a whole flock of Speedsters showing up so much lessens them all since none are unique. Its a problem that has long plagued DC - they have to have multiple versions of the same character and IMO it lessens all of them in the process. One Flash type character. One Superman type character. etc, etc.

[KhorneBloodGod]

I want to see the Flash using his powers intelligently and not jobbing all the time.

[Calamas]

Joey Cavalieri nowhere near it. And not just as a writer. You can safely blame the current title's cancellation on his work as an editor. As big a Geoff Johns fan as I am, as big a Flash fan as I am, this was a title I could never get excited about. For some unfathomable reason Cavalieri decided this should be the murkiest comic ever published. It’s like he thought: “We have a brightly-clad hero and colorful villains by the score; I know, let’s go with dull.” An excellent writer and any number of solid artists could not over come this handicap. Sadly, for years now, the inside of any Flash comic looked like mud.
[The above adapted from a previous post.]

As for who’s behind the mask, See avatar:

[handOFfate]

I want to see the Flash using his powers intelligently and not jobbing all the time.

If he did this he'd beat every opponent within three pages.

[Gentlegamer]

One speedster, preferably Wally. Having a whole flock of Speedsters showing up so much lessens them all since none are unique. Its a problem that has long plagued DC - they have to have multiple versions of the same character and IMO it lessens all of them in the process. One Flash type character. One Superman type character. etc, etc.Would this include one American superteam type group? I generally agree to limit duplication, but it should be done paying decent respect to the legacy aspect of the universe.

[Chiasm]

Would this include one American superteam type group? I generally agree to limit duplication, but it should be done paying decent respect to the legacy aspect of the universe.

What I mean is there should be just Superman. Not Supergirl, Superwoman, Superboy, and Superdog. Just one Shazam instead of a whole brood of Marvels. Just one Aquaman instead of having Aquawoman, Aqualad, and the rest. Multiple Green Lanterns is fine because the earth GL is just one of a squadron so the concept works. But in the other cases, and in some I didn't mention, its just cashing in on the popularity of one to make more but soon it becomes silly and takes away from the original. Things aren't as bad now as they used to be in terms of whole families centered around the same concept but its still kind of silly.

In the case of the Flash, since that was the thing here, it got rather ridiculous even though the writing was good when you saw Wally West, Jay Garrick, Bart Allen, Jesse Quick, Max Whathisname, and at least one or two other superspeedsters all fighting together. Too much of a good thing and it spoiled the whole mix. I'm hoping that the loss of the speed force in Crisis #4 means that only one will be able to draw on it now leaving just one superspeedster, hopefully Wally.

[Geardaddy]

DC has been very tight lipped on all things Flash post Infinate Crisis. Everything seems to be leading to some major changes with the Flash (or at least DC is teasing us with it). Which leads me to this.

How likely is it that Wally will not be the Flash post Infinate Crisis? Will Barry return? Will Bart take over the mantle? Will Wally die or perhaps retire?

What does everyone think will happen?

[Will.S]

DC has been very tight lipped on all things Flash post Infinate Crisis. Everything seems to be leading to some major changes with the Flash (or at least DC is teasing us with it). Which leads me to this.

How likely is it that Wally will not be the Flash post Infinate Crisis? Will Barry return? Will Bart take over the mantle? Will Wally die or perhaps retire?

What does everyone think will happen?
From what I heard of Wondercon, Wally isn't dead so I don't think it'll be the same as the Barry situation.

They're being really vague with the identity but I think Bart will be the next generation Flash with Wally retiring.

[justcrash]

Waid made Wally my favorite character in comics, no ifs, ands or buts. When he left I was heart broken and scared of what was to come. Johns did an excellent job of taking over imho.

So we have 2 incredible writers writing my favorite character to be followed with these 2 jokers from the crap-tacular TV series?

Awesome DC, you just lost a reader.

[Brady]

I don't think they should bring Barry back. His time has passed. No doubt some fans would like to see him return, but for most comic readers, Jay, Wally and Bart are the Flash family. If they kill or retire Wally, they should create a new Flash, or give the mantle to Bart.

[Ontir]

I don't think they should, or need to bring Barry Allen back. By the nature of his death, he can, and has popped up at any time. I like the idea of him being a perpetual anachronism.

One of the things I really liked over the last several years, was the relationship between Wally and Jay. I'd like to see Wally's costume reflect his admiration for him, maybe keeping the upper design of the costume, but the pants being blue, and adding the Hermes helmet, with maybe a blue mask. As the Garricks never had kids of their own, it would also be interesting to see them as grand-parents to Wally's child(ren).

[Justin D.]

Waid made Wally my favorite character in comics, no ifs, ands or buts. When he left I was heart broken and scared of what was to come. Johns did an excellent job of taking over imho.

So we have 2 incredible writers writing my favorite character to be followed with these 2 jokers from the crap-tacular TV series?

Awesome DC, you just lost a reader.

You had no idea what kind of book Johns would do before he came on Flash and even said you were worried about what was to come, but thought he did an excellent job. Don't you think you're jumping the gun a bit by calling these guys jokers and saying they've lost a reader? The book hasn't even come out yet.

[Watery Tart]

My wishlist, for either Flash or Teen Titans, is to give Bart some freakin' character development already!!

You would think that getting shot in the knee, reading the entire San Francisco library, and taking on the Kid Flash mantle would be a goldmine for character development, right? And yet the kid's gotten a total of, like, seven pages of screentime since then. I don't expect that to change in Titans, since Johns doesn't seem to care that much about him, so I hope to see it in Flash. Assuming he's still around after Crisis...::worries::

Aside from that, I second the wish for more "Flash Family" stuff.

[CaptainAwesome]

My wishlist, for either Flash or Teen Titans, is to give Bart some freakin' character development already!!

You would think that getting shot in the knee, reading the entire San Francisco library, and taking on the Kid Flash mantle would be a goldmine for character development, right? And yet the kid's gotten a total of, like, seven pages of screentime since then. I don't expect that to change in Titans, since Johns doesn't seem to care that much about him, so I hope to see it in Flash. Assuming he's still around after Crisis...::worries::

Aside from that, I second the wish for more "Flash Family" stuff.
Amen, buddy.

[DCKar2nist]

Naturally, I mean Flash is a legacy driven title right? so why's everyone so bent out over the Flash Family aspect? I'm with the poster who wanted the flash title to mirror the GL Corps.

[OzBat!]

The only reason we even Have a Legacy concept in the DCU, is because of Wally West. He's the first character to have ever realised the promise of graduating from sidekick to A-level hero, successfully continuing his mentor's name. Not only that, but after he took up the mantle, it was in his title that the whole Jay/Barry/Wally dynamic was explored, setting up a dynasty that wasn't there before either. Previously, it was just Jay Garrick and Barry Allen, a couple of guys who shared a name and powers, but no connection. It took Wally West to make it work.

People now take the legacy for granted, but removing Wally now would be a mistake. You're removing the character, the link and the reason that made it all work. I guess if they worked hard, they could possibly transfer the promise to Bart. But Wally had 20plus years to grow into the role and make it his own. They need to give Bart time to grow too. Obviously they could get around that, he's already a little chronal misfit. And that colour pic with the five flashes was verrrrry interesting... anybody else think the headshot at the centre forefront had yellow eyes?

I like the idea of five flashes sharing the role, to a degree. With huge reservations. When Green Lantern became Green Lantern Corps with #200, things went downhill pretty quickly after that. I'd rather not see that happen with Flash. One or two characters will eventually come to dominate the cast, and editorial decisions would need to be made again about where the book goes from there.

Guess I'll sit over here in the corner and wait and see how it all pans out.

[Sabrinaset]

The only reason we even Have a Legacy concept in the DCU, is because of Wally West. He's the first character to have ever realised the promise of graduating from sidekick to A-level hero... It took Wally West to make it work...I guess if they worked hard, they could possibly transfer the promise to Bart. But Wally had 20plus years to grow into the role and make it his own.... Guess I'll sit over here in the corner and wait and see how it all pans out.

I'd LIKE to think that DC would be consistent and do this, but somehow, I'm not really feeling the faith here. I'm firmly in the "Barry should remain dead" camp. I also agree that they did the right thing transferring the mantle to Wally. BUT they didn't start all that well...the Baron/Guice reboot was not that good, IMHO, and I'm rather amazed DC had the stones to continue with Wally. I'm thinking that if Waid hadn't taken over Flash, Barry would have come back awhile ago. Just a feeling here...

I'm also thinking about what DC did transferring the GL mantle to Kyle, and how that ended up with it passed back to ol' One-Punch.

But yeah, I'll just sit back and hope they do a good job on the re-relaunch. Probably won't, but we can hope...

[Nick Kal]

Wally is staying Flash. :cool:

[Kain Darkwind]

I'd LIKE to think that DC would be consistent and do this, but somehow, I'm not really feeling the faith here. I'm firmly in the "Barry should remain dead" camp. I also agree that they did the right thing transferring the mantle to Wally. BUT they didn't start all that well...the Baron/Guice reboot was not that good, IMHO, and I'm rather amazed DC had the stones to continue with Wally. I'm thinking that if Waid hadn't taken over Flash, Barry would have come back awhile ago. Just a feeling here...

I'm also thinking about what DC did transferring the GL mantle to Kyle, and how that ended up with it passed back to ol' One-Punch.

But yeah, I'll just sit back and hope they do a good job on the re-relaunch. Probably won't, but we can hope...


You've got that right. My uncle used to buy Flash, and I'd read them as a little kid. Even back in 88, I liked the "old" Flash better. I thought Wally was a horrible character. Sleeping with married women, demanding health care to deliver a heart...and then the stories really sucked it up from issues 20-40. I think issue 50 was where I was old enough to start buying myself, and I started enjoying it more beginning there. The Return of Barry Allen was what cinched it for me though.
I have every single issue from 50-End, with the exception of the Cobalt Blue series (overseas at the time) and most of 1-49. Flash is my favorite hero ever, and I got tears in my eyes seeing him and Bart take out Superpunk, at what might possibly be the cost of their lives.

I hope they keep Wally. I really do. But if they decide to move on, I'll follow, at least to see what happens. If they put someone else in the role, I'll give them a chance. Wally got one, and proved himself more than worthy.

[Agentum]

I'm also thinking about what DC did transferring the GL mantle to Kyle, and how that ended up with it passed back to ol' One-Punch.

...
Yes in the 90s they tried to retire som old heroes with younger taking over and it did not go so well as it did with flash, i think it was because there was really not that important and good storys when they killed off GA and GL.
They was soon back again and the replacement heroes was put in the backseat again.

A really good story like when Barry dies or maybe when Gaimans Sandman dies is important and makes at least me feel that it was a good end.

I hope Wally can be Flash for some time, that brat Bart have not really maked an good impression on me yet.

[Bored at 3:00AM]

I suspect the new Flash will be a new character infused with the spirits and speed of all the various speedsters who were contained within the Speed Force. Gives a solid connection to the previous incarnations that can be exploited for countless new stories, but also gives the character a fresh start that can jump on board.

[Buried Alien]

He'll apparently be wearing the classic Barry/Wally uniform based on the art we've seen so far, at least at first. I'm glad about that. That costume is just too good to give up or monkey with too much.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[Mainline]

From the interview with Joan Hilty, it would seem it's both a "he" and someone we knew "before"... they go on to emphasize Legacy as more important than ever before.

The first part eliminates a female Flash, the second someone unknown, and the third- in my mind- eliminates Barry. This suggests, to me, that Wally or Bart remain the best candidates for the relaunch.

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/editors/Hilty/interview.html

[handOFfate]

My wishlist, for either Flash or Teen Titans, is to give Bart some freakin' character development already!!

You would think that getting shot in the knee, reading the entire San Francisco library, and taking on the Kid Flash mantle would be a goldmine for character development, right? And yet the kid's gotten a total of, like, seven pages of screentime since then. I don't expect that to change in Titans, since Johns doesn't seem to care that much about him, so I hope to see it in Flash. Assuming he's still around after Crisis...::worries::

Aside from that, I second the wish for more "Flash Family" stuff.

As far as Teen Titans go, Johns doesn't seem to care about anyone except Robin and Superboy. It's too bad, since Kid Flash and Wonder girl are great characters who deserve some spotlight. It looked like it was gonna happen in the first Teen Titans arc, but Johns kinda just let it go. Bart did have a few good moments in the Return of Donna Troy mini. I love how Donna referred to him as the new heart of the Titans.

[Nick Kal]

As far as Teen Titans go, Johns doesn't seem to care about anyone except Robin and Superboy. It's too bad, since Kid Flash and Wonder girl are great characters who deserve some spotlight. It looked like it was gonna happen in the first Teen Titans arc, but Johns kinda just let it go. Bart did have a few good moments in the Return of Donna Troy mini. I love how Donna referred to him as the new heart of the Titans.

Thank you Geoff Johns for telling us Geoff Johns' personal opinion on Wonder Girl and Kid Flash. :)

[Watery Tart]

Thank you Geoff Johns for telling us Geoff Johns' personal opinion on Wonder Girl and Kid Flash. :)Psst, that's why we said "seems." It's our perception of his writing - and apparently at least one or two others' perception as well (see: the Titans thread). </tangent>

[Drifter]

Not sure if this has been discussed, couldnt find it on the forums.... do we have any clue as to who this new flash is....

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2518/flscv1r17bz.jpg

[Wannabe]

I'm hoping Bart takes the role. That looks like somebody completely new, however.

[Capt USA]

should have done a poll. My guess is that it's going to be Barry Allen, but I don't think dc will spill the beans even after the first issue comes out.

[Buried Alien]

It looks more like Wally than anyone else, but anybody could be under that cowl.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[Drifter]

The new costume reminds me of Wizard's rendition of an "ultimate" Flash...

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/6513/flash3rr.th.jpg (http://img146.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flash3rr.jpg)

[Carl Orr]

Not sure if this has been discussed, couldnt find it on the forums.... do we have any clue as to who this new flash is....

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2518/flscv1r17bz.jpg

He looks like a African American man to me :confused: John Stewart?

[Lex]

That is a really cool cover. That art is enough reason to pick up the new book.The new costume reminds me of Wizard's rendition of an "ultimate" Flash...

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/6513/flash3rr.th.jpg (http://img146.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flash3rr.jpg)I believe it's the same artist.

[CaptainAwesome]

Yes its Ken Lashley.

Also, on this new costume, is his face exposed? It seems that the hood comes down to right above his eyes. Either that or it is like a Batman Beyond thing where it comes all the way to the mouth. i cant really tell in that image.

[Firemane]

Could one of the new Flashes be Superboy Prime?
The did say he was getting a new costume......

[SUPERECWFAN1]

From the interview with Joan Hilty, it would seem it's both a "he" and someone we knew "before"... they go on to emphasize Legacy as more important than ever before.

The first part eliminates a female Flash, the second someone unknown, and the third- in my mind- eliminates Barry. This suggests, to me, that Wally or Bart remain the best candidates for the relaunch.

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/editors/Hilty/interview.html


Hmmm it could be...JOHN FOX ! Anyone remember Fox who came back and has the whole Flash legacy deal. Or it could be Walter West ( the last big arc done by Mark Waid 152-159) and he's back somehow.

[Buried Alien]

Hmmm it could be...JOHN FOX ! Anyone remember Fox who came back and has the whole Flash legacy deal. Or it could be Walter West ( the last big arc done by Mark Waid 152-159) and he's back somehow.

Fox wasn't a popular character during his story arc, and Walter West was controversial at best. Since neither character was a runaway success, I don't think DC will want to headline either of them as the Flash on a long term basis.


Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[DCKar2nist]

Courtest of Newsarama: During the convention's Q&A, a young boy asked if “Wally Flash” was dead as a result of the events of Infinite Crisis #4 (garnering a collective “awwww” from the crowd). Rucka looked to Johns saying, “Don’t break his heart”, and Johns gave in to the boy, confirming that “No”, Wally does not die in Crisis.

This was revealed a while ago but it does answers the big "whose going to be the new Flash" question right?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Courtest of Newsarama: During the convention's Q&A, a young boy asked if “Wally Flash” was dead as a result of the events of Infinite Crisis #4 (garnering a collective “awwww” from the crowd). Rucka looked to Johns saying, “Don’t break his heart”, and Johns gave in to the boy, confirming that “No”, Wally does not die in Crisis.

That answers the big "whose going to be the new Flash" question right?


Not really....read Flash #230. In it Wally does say that he's gonna retire at some point. That he wants to be a father and he see's the finish line ahead .

Plus Wally could suffer an injury,advanced age , or be forced to retire after Infinite Crisis. Thats why theres a debate about this new look Flash. ;)

[hitokiri_]

well... who here saw the new cover of issue number 1? :D

its kinda great, at the same time, kinda lame for my taste.


http://www.newsarama.com/NYCC/DC/DCU/report.htm

scroll down.

[mohammedali]

Seems like there will only be one Flash then, countary to popular belief/speculation. Question is, which one...

[The Wayner]

That picture showed up in the other FLASH speculation thread. Interesting stuff.

[sixstringguild]

So the question is, is the new Flash black? I wouldn't mind that. As long as the stories are cool, I'm down w/ that.

I liked the idea of having a bunch of flashes divied out by the Speed Force, but oh well...

[The Wayner]

So the question is, is the new Flash black?

I'm not sure about that, either. It looks like he is, but it could also be the lighting...

[Typo Lad]

Is it just me, or is the Flash seemingly of African-American descent?

[Nick Kal]

I think it's just the shadowing. The Flash will be Wally.

[sixstringguild]

I think it's just the shadowing. The Flash will be Wally.

I hope you're right, but I don't think it's going to be. I think it will be one of Wally's sons.

[Aetherus]

I believe it will be Wally initially, but then he will turn it over to someone else. I remember reading (through either Newsarama or Wizard), that we shouldn't get used to the first Flash we see when the title returns in the summer.

[mohammedali]

Exactly. There will be a Flash shown in Issue 1, and chances are, before the issue is up, that Flash will pass on the batton.

[Ian J.N.]

I believe it will be Wally initially, but then he will turn it over to someone else. I remember reading (through either Newsarama or Wizard), that we shouldn't get used to the first Flash we see when the title returns in the summer.
This teaser is aggravating. There are so many different possibilities.

If Flash is going to be a new character—not an Allen or a West, someone completely unaffiliated whom we've never seen before—it would make sense to have someone from the old guard pass the baton. If this is the case, I predict that Bart reluctantly gives up the mantle, because that could be further explored in 52 and Teen Titans OYL. Wally could very well be the initial Flash, but if he's truly done, then it seems to me that Infinite Crisis is his swan song. Seems odd that he would show up one year later to hand out a costume ring.

[Nate Grey]

What about Captain Boomerang's son? Could HE be the new Flash?

[PatrickG]

Earth-1 Jay Garrick.

The mantle passes to the original.

It's a way of "rebooting" to sqyare one without retconning Wally or Barry (or Jay).

[DCKar2nist]

Earth-1 Jay Garrick.

The mantle passes to the original.

It's a way of "rebooting" to sqyare one without retconning Wally or Barry (or Jay).

no f^$*% way. The flash in the DCU will remain forever clad in red, if Jay takes the "baton" then my favorite costume in the DC line gets replaced with a shiny hat.

[Buried Alien]

Who will be the star of the next FLASH comic book series?

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[IPW]

Jay Garrick

[mohammedali]

Someone else

[moon knight]

i want it to be wally but im thinking someone else.

[Joe Acro]

Jay obviously is still The Flash after IC because he has somehow regained his speed since IC (maybe this will be resolved in issue seven). It seems to me that it would be too predictable to have it not be Wally. Of course, Alexander Luthor was a predictable villain for IC, so who knows?

[Violently Apathetic]

Jason Todd.

What? Is he limited to stealing identities from the Batverse?

I'm hoping for Wally, but I have the nagging suspicion it's going to be someone new...which is fine, I guess *pouts*

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I voted for Barry Allen. Hell with Hal Jordan , Bucky and Jason Todd back now , he should get a shot. ;)

[CaptainAwesome]

I voted for bart, but Im hoping for someone else. I think with all this stuff about Wally possibly leaving it would be a real let down if he did come back to star in his own series. In fact, I wouldnt mind seeing a girl-flash (wally's daughter possibly) but since the new book is "Flash: Fastest Man Alive" I kinda doubt it. :)

[Logansmiddleclaw]

I'm still placing my bets on Bart Allen....waaaay back with his character was introduced, he had trouble controlling his speed powers....he almost literally ran himself to death. When he was introduced, I remember Wally saying something like "the faster he runs the older he gets" or something along those lines...the problem was "corrected" in the same issue.

I'm just wondering if it's possible for Bart to have aged to adulthood due to his run-in with the speed force in IC #4. Probably whacked out theory. Could also simply be Bart from some other time in the future.

[Barry Allen]

Even though Barry is my personal favorite, I'm thinking it'll be Wally. Mainly because they're planning on using Wally in the movie.

[Joe-Dono]

I just got this on my RSS feed, its a preview of the upcoming flash title.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=6993

It has the first 4 pages up.

What flash is that? it kinda looks like the JSA one but im not sure.

JD

[west3man]

Apparently being a speedster will just be a metahuman thing, not a Speed Force thing. Kinda weird.

I hope the powers that be put out a book or something that details what changes they made and why. I'd be very interested in what made certain concepts no-go's and others thumbs-up's.

Btw, that Flash graphic is tight as all hell. Looks like DC's using the people who did that Ultimate DC thing in Wizard years, ago. About damned time.

[abyss]

Ya it is the JSA one Jay Garrick.

[20yrslater]

Jay Garrick, the original Flash. Speed force gone forever, hmmm.

[BlackKnight]

Ya is the JSA one Jay something I don't know his last name.

Jay Garrick is his name, however it has been said that the flash that appears in the first book, will not be the one appearing in the rest, so perhaps this is what they meant.

[Unholygrimness]

I dont like the way the speedforce has been taken away. Its kind of an insult to mark waids work, anybody agree?

[20yrslater]

I dont like the way the speedforce has been taken away. Its kind of an insult to mark waids work, anybody agree?
I don't think of it as n insult, just like his creation of the speed force wasn't an insult to earlier Flash mythology, but the next step. Just like magic entering a new age, I think the speed force is "maturing" and going to the next level. Besides, the speed force is only gone as fas as Jay and the reading public is concerned.

[Unholygrimness]

Yeah good point it might not be totaly gone forever or at all. but if you consider the creation of the speedforce a step forward or an evolution for the flash mythos would taking it away then not be considered a step back?

But maybe this is what dc is trying to achieve to take the series back to its basics. i was always a big fan of the speed force idea though as well as the extended flash family.

[west3man]

I dont like the way the speedforce has been taken away. Its kind of an insult to mark waids work, anybody agree?
Kinda sorta.
I'm not sure about DC's reasons. As I said in another thread, recently, I'd really love to read their thoughts about this whole process - kinda like what they did with CRISIS in... some book from the last year or so (can't remember the name).

I'm kinda disappointed about the change, since I'm so fond of Waid's work. I think the "metahuman" back-up is probably the best way they could've gone, if they weren't gonna keep the Speed Force around, but it seems likely to contradict some stuff since Waid's run.

That suggests that the laws of physics in the DCU have changed. Not the worst thing, I guess, but it kinda leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

[20yrslater]

I'm just trying to step back from it being "taken away". I think that we as fans and readers take these statements too literally. They will still have to explain why there are so many characters with basically the identical power and abilities. The speed force is/was a very neat and tidy explanation for that, and that's why I hope that the Crisis has just forced the next evolutionary step in the speed force storyline.

[west3man]

I'm just trying to step back from it being "taken away". I think that we as fans and readers take these statements too literally. They will still have to explain why there are so many characters with basically the identical power and abilities. The speed force is/was a very neat and tidy explanation for that, and that's why I hope that the Crisis has just forced the next evolutionary step in the speed force storyline.
That preview said that the speed force was "gone forever."

How were we supposed to take that, other than literally?

[titanfan]

Wow, I just noticed the writers were Danny Bilson and Paul DeMeo. I loved their take on the TV version of Flash!

[20yrslater]

That preview said that the speed force was "gone forever."

How were we supposed to take that, other than literally?
Jay said the speed force is gone forever. That's the speed force he knows, lots of wiggle room there, IMHO.

[west3man]

I don't think that's a matter of reader interpretation. I think that's a sledgehammer approach to telling the reader that what once was is no longer... and never will be, again.

I suppose DC could do a "haha, fooled you," later, but that'd be a mistake. In that one caption they said, through their character, that the speed force was gone, but that Jay's still a speedster because he's a metahuman. They could wiggle, if they wanted to, but it'd be too close to saying Bobby Ewing didn't die because the entire season was a dream.

Well, not THAT bad, but similar enough.

[20yrslater]

I see what your are saying, but I see the changes in OYL as more evolutionary changes, or changes at making the characters more relatable to the readers. From waht I understand, the speed force was not only something talked about in the Flash, but in almost every book he touched, not to mention every speedster character related to Flash. It also seems like it was a very fan friendly addition to the greater Flash mythos, and explained the not only the multiple speedster issue, but also the time travel and other stuff. I find it hard to believe that they would just totally retcon out of existence the speed force instead of evolving it.

Also, an evolution of the speed force allows DC to reintroduce Wally, Barry, Bart et al without resorting to retcon punches. If the IC was meant to undo lots of the darkness and more out of character shifts, I really don't see how the sped force fits. As always, JMHO.

[west3man]

I see what your are saying, but I see the changes in OYL as more evolutionary changes, or changes at making the characters more relatable to the readers. From waht I understand, the speed force was not only something talked about in the Flash, but in almost every book he touched, not to mention every speedster character related to Flash. It also seems like it was a very fan friendly addition to the greater Flash mythos, and explained the not only the multiple speedster issue, but also the time travel and other stuff. I find it hard to believe that they would just totally retcon out of existence the speed force instead of evolving it.

Also, an evolution of the speed force allows DC to reintroduce Wally, Barry, Bart et al without resorting to retcon punches. If the IC was meant to undo lots of the darkness and more out of character shifts, I really don't see how the sped force fits. As always, JMHO.
Seems like there are some contradictions in the above, but I guess we'll see.

And, with Draxhall handling the illustrative chores, it should be a pleasure to look at, if nothing else.

[20yrslater]

Seems like there are some contradictions in the above, but I guess we'll see.

And, with Draxhall handling the illustrative chores, it should be a pleasure to look at, if nothing else.
I almost always never contradict myself. :D

[DonC]

I dont like the way the speedforce has been taken away. Its kind of an insult to mark waids work, anybody agree?


I don't know that I would call it an insult to Waid as these things happen all the time. However, I did like the concept of the speed force. They better have a good explaination for why it's gone; it'll be a hard concept to top.

[chicagokmc]

i just didn't like the fact that every "speedster" (i don't count superman or cap marvel in this category) was tied to this speed force. imho, there were too many people with ties to the speed force. i wouldn't mind if it was limited to just the primary flash and maybe kid flash. i don't mind jay's abilities being tied to him being metahuman.

[UniqueFrequency]

i don't mind jay's abilities being tied to him being metahuman.

i read the preview too, and was this always how it was? Jay being a metahuman?

[west3man]

i read the preview too, and was this always how it was? Jay being a metahuman?
Before the concept of The Speed Force was introduced? I figured EVERYBODY who had powers was considered to be a meta. Isn't that how a meta is defined?

[Buried Alien]

It's been said by the Powers That Be at DC that we shouldn't get too attached to the first Flash we see in THE FLASH: THE FASTEST MAN ALIVE. If that's true, then Jay is unlikely to be permanent star of this new series.

Jay *is* different from the Allen/West Flashes. Jay was the only one not to have gained his power in any manner related to lightning. All the others did (i.e. Barry and Wally) or were descended from those who did.



Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[west3man]

It's been said by the Powers That Be at DC that we shouldn't get too attached to the first Flash we see in THE FLASH: THE FASTEST MAN ALIVE. If that's true, then Jay is unlikely to be permanent star of this new series.

Jay *is* different from the Allen/West Flashes. Jay was the only one not to have gained his power in many manner related to lightning. All the others didi (i.e. Barry and Wally) or were descended from those who did.



Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)All speedsters were associated with The Speed Force, though, regardless of how they got their powers. Some got their powers through chemical injections. Jay inhaled some fumes. Wally and Barry were struck by lightning. Johnny and Jesse Quick simply use a spoken mantra. Bart and Jenni were born with superspeed. Max was a part of a Native American ritual, spell, or something.

HOWEVER, when the connection to The Speed Force was cut off, at one point, they ALL lost their powers. Anyone who was a speedster, independent of The Speed Force.

They'd have to leave all previous speedsters absolutely powerless and come up with others, if they didn't want to contradict the past.

[Tequilamokinbrd]

Ok so Dan Didio reccently said on Newsarama that one year later, there was only going to be one person running around(pun intended) with the powers of the Flash.


But so far I count two, Jay Garrick and the mystery speedster in the latest issue of Outsiders, what gives?


And before anyone asks, no he didn't say that only one person would be calling themself the Flash, he said only one person would have The Flash's powers.


Even if one of those two dies, that would still leave us with at least two speedsters, since he also said, "don't get used the the first flash you see" and that Flash is Jay, meaning that there will be another Flash besides Jay, giving us three speedsters total, Jay, the guy from outsiders, and the new Flash be he wally/bart/whomever.






Anyone have any thoughts?

[JuggernautRM]

I think it might mean that only one person is gonna be intune with the speed force.

[Tequilamokinbrd]

I thought that for a second too, but according to IC AND Flash: The Fastest Man Alive #1, the speed force is gone.

[CaptainAwesome]

Ok so Dan Didio reccently said on Newsarama that one year later, there was only going to be one person running around(pun intended) with the powers of the Flash.


But so far I count two, Jay Garrick and the mystery speedster in the latest issue of Outsiders, what gives?


And before anyone asks, no he didn't say that only one person would be calling themself the Flash, he said only one person would have The Flash's powers.


Even if one of those two dies, that would still leave us with at least two speedsters, since he also said, "don't get used the the first flash you see" and that Flash is Jay, meaning that there will be another Flash besides Jay, giving us three speedsters total, Jay, the guy from outsiders, and the new Flash be he wally/bart/whomever.






Anyone have any thoughts?
I dont read the Outsiders, but isnt Captain Boomerang super fast? Is he the "mystery speedster" or is it someone else?

[JuggernautRM]

Actually, Captain Boomerange is in the Outsiders.

[Buddman]

Allright. I'm new here, so if this theory has been floated, please forgive me. I lurked for a while to see if anyone threw this out, but never saw this particular idea.

We've always known that there was a loophole left in the whole death of Barry Allen storyline that would allow him to come back.

When Barry Allen died, his spirit became the speedforce, i.e., the valhalla available to all speedsters and the force drawn on by all speedsters.

Of course, we've seen someone in the Barry Allen Flash suit twice now. Most recently when a Flash came out of the speed force to warn the heroes that Superboy Prime was on his way back.

Also, Jay Garrick said that the Speed Force is "gone".

So if Barry Allen's spirit made up the speedforce, and the speed force is suddenly gone, would it be too far of a stretch to say that Barry Allen has "reconstituted" himself? This would explain the disappearance of the speed force.

He may not be the new Flash initially, but I'm willing to be we will see him before the end of the year.

Any thoughts?

[Tequilamokinbrd]

I dont read the Outsiders, but isnt Captain Boomerang super fast? Is he the "mystery speedster" or is it someone else?


It's someone else, I don't exactly know if Dan was counting Captain Boomerang when he said what he said because Boomerang can only use his super speed in short bursts(as far as I know), but if you count him, that's three.



Really can't wait for that 1st issue to come out so the wondering and guessing can stop.

[IPW]

I think some Meta Humans have Super Speed, like Superman and Jay
I think what Didio is say is only one person will have access to the Speed Force.
Really, How do you get rid/kill the Speed Force?

[DouglasDanger]

That would be lame. Barry should stay dead.

With that said, it makes sense, and it will probably turn out that way.

[Sean Whitmore]

When Barry Allen died, his spirit became the speedforce, i.e., the valhalla available to all speedsters and the force drawn on by all speedsters.


I don't see how this could be (barring one of those time-travel paradoxes). The Speed Force existed looooong before Barry Allen was even born, much less died. Max Mercury first entered it back in the 1800s or something, and I think Savitar gained his power from the Force even earlier than that.


SEAN

[Flying Fruitbat]

That would be interesting. Barry should return.

Hey, what can I say? I like Barry's fans. They are good people and if his
return makes them happy, I am for it. This Jay fan is not selfish.

[Silvermane]

I don't see how this could be (barring one of those time-travel paradoxes). The Speed Force existed looooong before Barry Allen was even born, much less died. Max Mercury first entered it back in the 1800s or something, and I think Savitar gained his power from the Force even earlier than that.


SEAN

As you say, though, a time travel paradox allowed Barry Allen to become the bolt of lightning that struck him in the first place.

[Sean Whitmore]

As you say, though, a time travel paradox allowed Barry Allen to become the bolt of lightning that struck him in the first place.


True, it's not like it's without precedent. I just don't think we need any more of 'em. :p


SEAN

[Mr. Palmer]

We got Hal, now give us Barry!

I like the theory. :D

[shaxper]

Great idea, and I'd personally love to see Barry come back, but it's about frickin' time someone stayed dead in the DCU! If Barry Allen and Jason Todd both come back, who's left six feet under? Major credibility gap considering how many DCU characters have supposedly "died" over the years. Next thing you know, Earth 2 Lois Lane will be back. Maybe even Martha and Thomas Wayne and the entire population of Krypton can join her.

[Agentum]

Kill of Hal again and take back Barry, i like him better of the old silver age fossils.

[UniqueFrequency]

hm isn't Barry's death in a hidden loophole back in the original Crisis?

[Calamas]

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[luricanson]

hm isn't Barry's death in a hidden loophole back in the original Crisis?

Sort of. The "hidden loophole" to allow Barry back if they needed him was to throw him back in time during his last run to destroy the Monitor's machine, as long as he was replaced at the exact instant he left. Wally ended up doing a splendid job as replacement, so they let Barry stay dead, for the most part.

[Joe Acro]

If the Speed Force is gone, then how can Jay still be super-fast one year later? No, the Speed Force returns at some point, much like magic has. However, Barry's appearance does need to be handled. Maybe he was sent back in the creation of New Earth, since he doesn't belong in this time?

[MutoMikey]

I may be wrong (I don't doubt I am) but in that issue of IC when Jay said the speed force was gone, i first read it as Jay saying that Superboy-prime was gone. He didn't exactly say "the speed force is gone". He was asked what happened and replied "the speed force...it's gone" I thought they asked him where they took superboy prime. But that's just my opinion.

[Bordnlazy]

at first I thought that the splitting of the earth disrupted the speedforce ,seeing as how precrisis there was not speedforce . but now that i think about it,Jay Garrik said that before the alexander re-created earth2?!? So have they stated anywhere what happen to the speedforce?

[Dustin Griffin]

I like the idea I heard floated a while back about Barry returning just for 52. that way, the ones that want him to stay dead could happily read OYL and the ones that wanted to see him back for a while could enjoy his interactions with everyone else in 52.

[OzBat!]

Maybe the Speed Force was native only to Earth-1, like the Guardians of OA were only Earth-1 originally. They didn't have counterparts in the earth-2 dimension pre-crisis. So, Jay couldn't feel the Speed Force when he got dumped onto Earth-2 with the rest of the original JSAers. And then, everything go smooshed back together into "new earth", and viola! Instant Speed Force again!

[Lurch]

Well, we know that Wally and his family are gone, as is Bart. In OYL Robin refers to him as retired, but he says it in kind of a strange way. When This new Flash appears, he at first has the lightning striping of Wally's costume, and the when he solidifies he has the striping of Barry's. I don't think this was an artistic error, I think that this Flash is somehow an amalgam of several speedsters, maybe just Wally and Barry, or maybe Wally Barry and Bart. But frankly, since Superboy said that the Flash's kept him for "years", I would like to for this new Flash to be Bart Allen. I love the Wally West Flash, but it really wouldn't bother me if he and Linda wound up raising some tornado twins of their own in the thirty-first century and Bart took over as Flash. That whole legacy is about passing the torch, and we all know Bart will never age enough in current continuity to ever replace Wally because it would play hell with their timeline.

[The Crime Dentist]

Jay Garrick doesn't require the speed force to run. He can still stay the Flash even though it's gone forever.

[Sean Whitmore]

Jay Garrick doesn't require the speed force to run.


He doesn't? I thought all speedsters did, to an extent.


SEAN

[The Crime Dentist]

Not Jay. He can use it, but he got his powers from an experiment gone awry, golden age style. I think he even explains it in the 52 preview.

[UniqueFrequency]

Not Jay. He can use it, but he got his powers from an experiment gone awry, golden age style. I think he even explains it in the 52 preview.

i think it was in the new Flash #1 preview..

[Lurch]

A lot of this stuff has never been cleared up since Waid's run on Flash. But think about it, Max Mercury got his powers from the speed force way before Jay became Flash. And it has been implied that it was the source of power for every speedster. This "extra-dimensional force" is comic book science to explain how they all break the laws of physics in just about every possible way. I think since both Barry and Jonny were absorbed by the force, there's no reason to think Jay is an exception to this.

[The Crime Dentist]

I think since both Barry and Jonny were absorbed by the force, there's no reason to think Jay is an exception to this.

But we know for certain that he is an exception. The speed force is gone forever, he tells us so himself, but he's still Flash.

I like Jay, I'd love it if he was the star of the OYL book. But then it would mean the JLA couldn't have a Flash, so I don't really see it happening.

[Lurch]

But we know for certain that he is an exception. The speed force is gone forever, he tells us so himself, but he's still Flash.



Where? I must have missed something in InC or a tie-in. The last panel I remember seeing of Jay gave me the impression that he had actually lost his speed.

[Azrael52]

I figure the new Flash will be Bart, b/c of the time that's past from the time Superboy is taken away and then returns.

[Bored at 3:00AM]

My guess is a Merged Flash in the form of Bart Allen, much like they tried with Hawkman during Zero Hour, where you had Carter, Katar, Nighthawk, Khufu and all the rest bound up into one guy. First it was Katar as the prime personality, whereas now Carter is the top dog.

I suspect they'll have the essences of Barry, Max, Johnny, Wally, Linda & The Twins all poured into one guy, Bart.

I don't really have any evidence that this happening. It's just the first thing I thought when they had The Infinite Crisis Flash's belt morph from Barry's to Wally's when he returned from the Speed Force.

[Kevinroc]

From this link:

http://entertainment.upperdeck.com/community/files/30/english-decklists/entry15873.aspx

I saw this:

Bart Allen ◊ The Flash: Impulsive Speedster

So has the cat sort of come out of the bag regarding The Flash?

[Dennis K]

I'm all for The Flash returning. As much as I dislike epic stories and crossovers, I rather like the OYL as it gives me a chance to look at some new titles at the start of a new story arc.

[Kevinroc]

http://entertainment.upperdeck.com/dc/en/teaser.aspx

Just click on the Flash in the background. It speaks more about Bart's (possible) role as The Flash.

[Justin D.]

http://entertainment.upperdeck.com/dc/en/teaser.aspx

Just click on the Flash in the background. It speaks more about Bart's (possible) role as The Flash.

The Flashs' comments are interesting.

"I can't do this alone!"
and
"I can't stop running."

It's just weird that they're grouped with the rest of the people in that picture since all that stuff happened either before or during IC and the Flash stuff won't happen for another few months. I love the artwork though. Looks like Olivetti's painted work or the new guy Acuna. If this Upperdeck stuff realy is giving info away, then check out the list of names and their jobs under Checkmate. It makes sense that there would be a rotating list of characters.

[Calculator]

I forget where it was stated, but in an interview it was said that the first Flash we see, and in the first issue(s?) of the new Flash issues was not going to be the Flash that we end up getting.

My guess, Bart shows up in Infinite Crisis #7 as the Flash, and starts out the Flash series only to be replaced by Wally's twins.

[Kevinroc]

I forget where it was stated, but in an interview it was said that the first Flash we see, and in the first issue(s?) of the new Flash issues was not going to be the Flash that we end up getting.

My guess, Bart shows up in Infinite Crisis #7 as the Flash, and starts out the Flash series only to be replaced by Wally's twins.

In the preview pages we've seen of The Flash #1, we see Jay.

Uumm... I wonder if that means anything...

[Bat-Mite]

Isn't Bart retired according to Robin?

[Calculator]

Isn't Bart retired according to Robin?

I just looked up Robin's exact wording and it's...elusive.

"Bart is...He's kind of retired"

So there's something more to it, but who knows what.

[MazingMan728]

In the preview pages we've seen of The Flash #1, we see Jay.

Uumm... I wonder if that means anything...

I doubt it since DC has said that the Flash you see in the begining of the book will not be the Flash at the end of the issue. I think is was just another word play with them to teaase us along. My guess is that Wally will remain retired and Bart will be the new Flash. Bart will probably come out of the Speed Force aged as SBP had made mention that he was trapped for years. How many years whp knows but even if Bart comes out 5 -7 years later he will be about the age Wally waas when he took up being the Flash.

[Kevinroc]

I doubt it since DC has said that the Flash you see in the begining of the book will not be the Flash at the end of the issue. I think is was just another word play with them to teaase us along. My guess is that Wally will remain retired and Bart will be the new Flash. Bart will probably come out of the Speed Force aged as SBP had made mention that he was trapped for years. How many years whp knows but even if Bart comes out 5 -7 years later he will be about the age Wally waas when he took up being the Flash.

What I mean is that Jay is The Flash we see in the beginning of the book.

That's some word play but that can still fit.

[Captain Jim]

Exactly, which means Jay is probably the one who doesn't remain the Flash.

The Upper Deck site certainly seems to be spoiling this. I hate to prejudge, but I really don't think I'm ready to see Bart as the Flash. My gosh, he's hardly been Kid Flash that long!

[20yrslater]

I forget where it was stated, but in an interview it was said that the first Flash we see, and in the first issue(s?) of the new Flash issues was not going to be the Flash that we end up getting.

My guess, Bart shows up in Infinite Crisis #7 as the Flash, and starts out the Flash series only to be replaced by Wally's twins.

Didio has also said that ulitmately, there will be one person wearing the mantle of The Flash, so that seems to preclude the twins.

[PunkMC]

Dumb thought, but could it be possible that wally will have to keep running to give Bart his speed powers? "I can't stop running." "I can't do it alone".

[Michael P]

Lying IN The Gutters (http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/?column=13) has an interesting take on this.

[jadegiant77]

Wally shoulda stayed Flash. I am so tired of him running into the damn Speed Force at the end of every event! That being said, I can see Bart as the Flash(his mom said that "no one would forget --the Flash" in that Titans/Legion special).

[sly_kat]

even if Bart takes over, who knows for how long since, with Wally's quote saying he cant stop running, perhaps his mission will be to help Wally, of course, hopefully all of this will be explained in infinite crisis#7, since they will explain who the flash really is!!

[The Recluse]

I hope it's not Bart, although it's not a major issue for me at this point because the uninspiring creative team for the Flash book has caused me to pass on it. If it's Bart...well...it just seems rushed. Change for the sake of change, really. There was so much more they could have done with the impulsive teen thing he had goin' on. Yeah, the torch would have to be passed at some point...but it should be done in a more gradual way. This feels really forced (if it is, indeed, true).

[Traser]

I hope it's not Bart, although it's not a major issue for me at this point because the uninspiring creative team for the Flash book has caused me to pass on it. If it's Bart...well...it just seems rushed. Change for the sake of change, really. There was so much more they could have done with the impulsive teen thing he had goin' on. Yeah, the torch would have to be passed at some point...but it should be done in a more gradual way. This feels really forced (if it is, indeed, true).


I don't think so at all. The same argument could be said of when Wally took over during Crisis on Infinite Earths. At any rate I look forward to an Allen wearing the Red&Yellow. It could make for good story telling of why he came back older and what happened to him while he BArry and Max tried to hold Superboy Prime. Dont get me wrong Wally was/is a great Flash, but the whole Flash mantra is about passing the torch and I think Bart's earned his shot.

[Tequilamokinbrd]

I just thought I'd bump this thread in light of the latest issue of outsiders.......Now was that a catch or was it a catch?

[onenatv]

Guys, just go read the latest issue of Outsiders:)

[Guts/Batman]

Guys, just go read the latest issue of Outsiders:)

Nahhh...

I don't want to. I would rather read about it here.

[KenK]

I just thought I'd bump this thread in light of the latest issue of outsiders.......Now was that a catch or was it a catch?

I was blown. I might just pick up the new Flash series! Ken Lashley on art, and the writers who developed the live-action series?!? That's a tight team!

[MythicBrawn]

Guys, just go read the latest issue of Outsiders:)

Now, I'm curious. Post a spoiler and tell us what happened in the latest issue of Outsiders.

[Edited]
Sorry, I see it's already been posted.

[The Lucky One]

Really, How do you get rid/kill the Speed Force?

I don't know, but it raises the interesting question of where Barry Allen and all the other speedsters who've become "one with the Speed Force" would go. I mean, we've seen Barry in Heaven before, but we're also told he became part of the Speed Force. If it's gone, would he just get dumped out into the real world, powerless but alive?

-D

[Tequilamokinbrd]

For those that don't know, I'll explain what happened in Outsiders and why I bumped my thread.




SPOILERS AHEAD.....

Ok so in Outsiders the team was attacked by a mystery speedster, this caught my eye because Didio said that One Year Later only one person was going to have the powers of The Flash, and the preview pages for Flash: The Fastest Man Alive #1 already showed Jay Garrick as the flash, meaning that counting the Outsiders speedster that'd make at least TWO people with Flashes powers.

So I posted a thread about it here because it seemed odd that they'd go all out of their way to make Jay Garrick the only speedster only to throw some generic one in Outsiders.


And wouldn't ya know it? In the latest issue of Outsiders, the speedster was revealed to be Jay Garrick who for some reason looked to be in his late 20's early 30's.(not my observation, Nightwing's)

[Traser]

I think some Meta Humans have Super Speed, like Superman and Jay
I think what Didio is say is only one person will have access to the Speed Force.


Maybe and that should be Bart... As was explained at the end of IC#7 Jay didnt get his speed from the Speed Force completely so he by default became the fastest man alive. After reading Outsiders, all i can say is WTF!!!?!! We're fighting some crazied regime and suddenly a young Jay Garrick shows up and puts a whoopin on them until Capt. Boomerang digs deep inside to find the speed within :D

[The Lucky One]

Completely unrelated question, but didn't Jay say in IC #7 that he thinks he tops out at the speed of sound now? Considering how fast guys like Superman can move, seems like Jay ain't exactly the "fastest man alive" anymore.

-D

[Guts/Batman]

Completely unrelated question, but didn't Jay say in IC #7 that he thinks he tops out at the speed of sound now? Considering how fast guys like Superman can move, seems like Jay ain't exactly the "fastest man alive" anymore.

-D

Zoom II for one is much faster than him.

Keep in mind that Superman is not human. Wonder Woman isn't quite human either. There are others faster, but not necessarily human...

[DracoMalfoy]

Completely unrelated question, but didn't Jay say in IC #7 that he thinks he tops out at the speed of sound now? Considering how fast guys like Superman can move, seems like Jay ain't exactly the "fastest man alive" anymore.

-D

A Flash moving at a top speed of the speed of sound is quite pathetic. They had better give him back lightspeed superspeed. There's absolutely no purpose for the Flash if he's the slowest out of 5 of the JLA...

[Guts/Batman]

A Flash moving at a top speed of the speed of sound is quite pathetic. They had better give him back lightspeed superspeed. There's absolutely no purpose for the Flash if he's the slowest out of 5 of the JLA...

Don'tcha mean the JSA? :D

[Matt]

A Flash moving at a top speed of the speed of sound is quite pathetic.

Not necessarily. At the start of the current Flash series, Wally's top speed was around that level, not receiving any real power boost until he battled and defeated a time travelling Professor Zoom in the fantastic 'Return of Barry Allen' storyline.

I think this may be a good move, as it helps to eliminate the dilemma of people wondering why a Flash's battles last more than a single panel because, when they use their full abilities, fully powered Speedsters are near unbeatable.

[DracoMalfoy]

You have good points. But lightspeed superspeed, kinetic energy steals, and speedforce dumping is what makes the Flash unique...

*meanwhile in New York City*

Batman: There's a bomb about to go off in 13 seconds in Moscow.

Flash: I'll get...

Batman: No. You won't. You're not fast enough. It will take you three hours at the least to reach Moscow, let alone find the bomb. Diana, you go.

Wonder Woman: Done.

Oracle: Guys, that's not all. In Paris, the Weather Wizard just created a Category 5 hurricane.

Flash: No prob. I'll...

Martian Manhunter: Done. The Weather Wizard is in Keystone Prison.

Oracle: Can someone get the earthquake in Ghana?

Flash: I've got this one! Just give me a...

Superman: Done. Closed the fissures just in time.

Oracle: Oh, and if someone pick up my Netflix videos from the post off--

Wonder Woman: Done. I picked them up between "Net" and "Flix" after defusing the bombs in Moscow. Really, Oracle. "Stealth"?

Oracle: I'm a sucker for Jessica Biel.

Flash: Guys!! What about me? What can I do?!

Batman: Nothing. Everything's taken care of.

Superman: Flash....I think it may be best to reconsider your membership to the League....

Flash: WHAT?!?!?

Martian Manhunter: Flash. Even Aquaman is more useful than you now that you can only reach the speed of sound.

Aquaman: Boo-ya!

[trickster]

OK, this is an excerpt from IGN Comics:

We won't spoil the surprise, but a trading card reveals the identity of the new Flash. It's a sensible (and somewhat obvious) choice, especially after learning what became of Superboy Prime in Crisis #6. Just one more month and the Scarlet Speedster will be back (and racing up the Rankings).

http://comics.ign.com/articles/704/704481p1.html

So, anyone have any idea what this could mean?

[Buried Alien]

OK, this is an excerpt from IGN Comics:



http://comics.ign.com/articles/704/704481p1.html

So, anyone have any idea what this could mean?

Based on that limited information, all signs point to Bart Allen.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[20yrslater]

http://entertainment.upperdeck.com/dc/en/teaser.aspx

Click on the Flash farthest to the right.

[Dr. Killtrocity]

I would be pleased to see Wally as the Flash still, but I would actually also love it if Garrick starred in his own series. But if it's someone new or Bart, I'm burning down DC.

[black_flash]

its going to be Jay Garrick. as the next flash.

[Captain Jim]

Yep. For the first few pages. Then it'll be Bart. (From all indications.)

[UniqueFrequency]

definitely looks like Bart, but seeing as how he didn't wanna be the Flash in IC#7... wonder if we'll have a surprise thrown our way

[nathanmcmaster]

When will we start seing new flash comics i have not seen those in ages.

[Dr. Killtrocity]

I don't like the idea of a new flash every major crossover. It gets stupid when you have 4 different character going under the same name. I say make Bart Impulse for good and keep Wally as Flash.

[UniqueFrequency]

I don't like the idea of a new flash every major crossover. It gets stupid when you have 4 different character going under the same name. I say make Bart Impulse for good and keep Wally as Flash.

i agree. Bart brought new depth to the Flash-family with Impulse.

there was Jay and Max as mentors, Wally as the Flash, Jessie to be here and there and Impulse as the young dude, more fun than Kid Flash

however it was already hard enough to imagine Impulse coming back after Kid Flash, now that he's further aged i think Impulse is gone for good

[sly_kat]

Well with 52 showing Bart at the gathering in metropolis, talking about how the we should see how the twins have aged, hes aged, how Wally just needed some time away, and add that to the scan of flash#2:
http://img421.imageshack.us/img421/3295/flashthefastestmanalivecvr214a.png

Plus with the Jay Garrick clone in the Outsiders, Are we any closer to finding out who the new flash is? Though perhaps we can match the people on the cover with the solicit for #2? who feels lied to? etc...

[Captain Jim]

When will we start seing new flash comics i have not seen those in ages.

Flash #1 is currently scheduled to ship on June 21.

[DarthAstuart]

am I missing something, or has anyone figured out why wally and linda and the kids are fine and just taking a break in 52 #1? i thought they vanished into the speed force in IC.

[sly_kat]

nope, in infinite # 4 clearly states that he isnt going with the rest of them (speedsters), but is going somewhere else, and takes linda and the kids with him~...but apparently he "just need sometime away" and if the kids have really grown up quite a bit like bart said (not just the couple years that Bart has grown), then it seems Wally could come back?:)

[DarthAstuart]

so wally, linda and the kids are somewhere else, and not in the speed force? i guess that somewhere else could be someWHEN else, which would leave the door open for the twins to return much much older...or something. i really wonder where he is. i hope they tease that more in 52 and it's a key early storyline in the new Flash series.

[EyesWideOpen]

anyone know if the whole Johns run on Flash has been collected in TPB yet? i'm really interested in reading his run but i'd like to start from the beginning.

[Jack]

I'm pretty sure it will be Bart, though it remains to be seen if he'll be an Impulse (good) or a Kid Flash (bad).. Wally will be back eventually, though. That's the way of things.

I'm also expecting at least one of the twins to join the Titans, though possibly with only Jay's level of speed.

[THANOS/WOLVERINE]

Please be Bart. Wally can be in it also but please have Bart be the number #1 Flash. It needs to happened because out of all the DC titles, only the Flash does it right. Only the Flash passes the mantle on to the next generation. Other DC books should without a doubt, but only The Flash has the balls to run with it.

Please continue the next generation of hero's with Bart taking the mantle. If not, then DC sucks @$$ because once again the status quo will remain the same.

[SpartanX]

There is a rumor that says that in a trading card or something, the identity of the new flash was revealed. Does anyone know if this is true?

[sehthan]

The DC trading card game has a card of Bart as the Flash in the new Infinite Crisis set. This could just be indicative of what we saw in the IC7.

[Jack]

Should the new Flash have a new lightning belt design?

[CaptainAwesome]

I know that the new Flash series debuts this week, but Im still speculating as to who he is, and this cover caught my eye.

Maybe sorta kinda spoilers...






http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/funktastik33020/5894_400x600.jpg

That woman looks a lot like Linda Park-West IMO, and that look the flash is giving her is one of love. That leads me to believe that the new flash is infact Wally instead of Bart or Barry. What do you guys think?

[Joe Franklin]

I have no interest in any other Flash besides Wally, so I hope it's him.

[Jack]

I think that's just Wally and Linda returning from the Speed Force to be part of the supporting cast.

[OzBat!]

It's still damn good to see both Wally and Linda, in one piece! And Wally still wearing the costume...

[the ultimate]

im new to the dc universe as far as buying the comics go but i picked up wonder woman #1 and flash #1 both variant covers...just to start something fresh...anyway this linda woman is she hispanic or something?

[Crimson Avenger]

anyway this linda woman is she hispanic or something?

Linda Park is Korean-American.

[PastePotPete]

This is my prediction:

The new Flash is Bart.

Otherwise, why the age change in Infinite Crisis? Why remove him from the Teen Titans? Bart as The Flash strengthens the Flash's legacy angle, AND it allows DC to have a Flash more in line with the cocky one in the cartoon. We know the new Flash is at least a bit worried about his image from the August solicitation for his title. Sounds like the cocky cartoon Flash.

Wally returns from the Speed Force with Linda in the September issue, but goes on a leave of absence to raise their twins. Tricky DC is using that cover to fool us into thinking the new Flash is Wally. Very tricksy DC. Tricksy.

Garrick, Wally, and Bart become the only heroes with speed powers. Wally might even pass his on to Bart or something.

Okay. That's it. Trust me. I'm right on this one.

[Jack]

This is my prediction:

The new Flash is Bart.

Otherwise, why the age change in Infinite Crisis? Why remove him from the Teen Titans? Bart as The Flash strengthens the Flash's legacy angle, AND it allows DC to have a Flash more in line with the cocky one in the cartoon. We know the new Flash is at least a bit worried about his image from the August solicitation for his title. Sounds like the cocky cartoon Flash.

Wally returns from the Speed Force with Linda in the September issue, but goes on a leave of absence to raise their twins. Tricky DC is using that cover to fool us into thinking the new Flash is Wally. Very tricksy DC. Tricksy.

Garrick, Wally, and Bart become the only heroes with speed powers. Wally might even pass his on to Bart or something.

Okay. That's it. Trust me. I'm right on this one.
Actually, what it is is that only one person is going to have the "powers of the Flash", and that'll be Bart. Wally at best will be at the speed of sound, like Jay. The twins will also have speed, and at least one of them will join the Teen Titans as either the new Kid Flash or the new Tornado Twins.

[PastePotPete]

Actually, what it is is that only one person is going to have the "powers of the Flash", and that'll be Bart. Wally at best will be at the speed of sound, like Jay. The twins will also have speed, and at least one of them will join the Teen Titans as either the new Kid Flash or the new Tornado Twins.

Okay. yeah. That sounds right. Jack is right.