View Full Version : Devin Grayson - Your opinion?
Steel Spider
02-11-2006, 01:28 PM
I haven't read much of Devin's work. I don't read Nightwing but it's clear that she's not a popular writer on the title. But, what's your take on her? Has she written anything you enjoy? Or has all of her work rubbed you up the wrong way? I'm just curious if she's a terrible writer overall, in your opinion, or if she's a good writer who just had a bad run with Nightwing.
Scroe
02-11-2006, 02:24 PM
I like her Nightwing and that is all I like from her.
I've enjoyed some of her work. The JLA/Titans mini was fun and I liked the first few issues of her Titans series. And I really enjoyed her run on Gotham Knights. And while I haven't read any of her Nightwing stories, it sounds like she had some tough breaks while on the series.
Generally, I think of her as a good creator.
Agent0
02-11-2006, 03:25 PM
IMO, she writes really good Batman stories as proven by her awesome run on Gotham Knights but her run on Nightwing has been a huge disappointment although her last issue (Nightwing #117) was good. Overall, I think she's still pretty good but she seems to only know to how write certain characters good for some reason.
SdotCopp
02-11-2006, 03:37 PM
her nightwing run is god-awful...everything else she's done has been solid
jam37wcc
02-11-2006, 04:45 PM
I started her run on issue 107, so I don't know how her whole run was but what I read I liked. I liked it even more when I realized where she was going with it, Dick having complete control over Bludhaven would have been awesome to bad it all got blowed to hell in back.
I have a very poor opinion of Devin Grayson. I originally liked her turn on GK, But looking at it in the cold light of day, I think someone had a her on a leash. And like it has been mentioned several times she butchered Nightwing, one of my all time favourite characters to the point where I had to drop the book. I just couldn't take it anymore.
I frankly find her to be self-important, ignorant and pretentious. She seems to think she's a great writer and if you disagree with what she has put out or anything she does in one of her books, she thinks you're stupid. I truly hope she never gets' a job working writing any of the mainstream comic book characters ever again.
Steel Spider
02-11-2006, 05:58 PM
I have a very poor opinion of Devin Grayson. I originally liked her turn on GK, But looking at it in the cold light of day, I think someone had a her on a leash. And like it has been mentioned several times she butchered Nightwing, one of my all time favourite characters to the point where I had to drop the book. I just couldn't take it anymore.
I frankly find her to be self-important, ignorant and pretentious. She seems to think she's a great writer and if you disagree with what she has put out or anything she does in one of her books, she thinks you're stupid. I truly hope she never gets' a job working writing any of the mainstream comic book characters ever again.
Yeah, I read some of her comments regarding those who don't like her work. It's as bad as Hudlin claiming that those who hate his work are racist.
Brack360
02-11-2006, 07:52 PM
Devin Grayson wrote some amazing stories on No Man's Land ("Fear of Faith" and "Spiritual Currency") and Gotham Knights. Her stories, along with Greg Rucka's, are what really got me back into reading comics after giving them up a few years earlier. I loved how she wrote Nightwing in the pages of Gotham Knights. I suggest picking up the No Man's Land TPB's and Gotham Knights #1-32 if you can find them for a decent price.
I have never read the Nightwing title on a regular basis. I have only picked up a few issues here and there, as well as most of the TPB's collecting Dixon's run. I was less than impressed with Devin's Nightwing issues that I read, and there seems to be a general consensus that her Nightwing run was not that good, which is surprising to me considering her earlier work.
Mister Intensity
02-11-2006, 08:00 PM
She's not my favorite writer by any means. I personally don't think she's a good super hero writer but the way some fans treat her is terrible and mean spirited. It's one thing not to like her work but to make personal attacks is crossing the line. I could understand her attitude towards the fans because a lot of them are disrespectful.
Mister Intensity
Tadhg
02-11-2006, 08:05 PM
I think her stuff during No Man's land was good, not great. Her Gotham Knights was almost good. I liked a lot of the concept but the execution left me wanting. Her User mini-series from Vertigo made me cry because it was a waste of two great artists. I liked the beginning of her Nightwing run, but it quickly left me bored. She seems about average as far as mainstream superhero writers go, but she doesn't interest me in the least.
outlander78
02-11-2006, 10:17 PM
Her run on Gotham Knights was excellent, and I think I've enjoyed every other non-Nightwing story she wrote. I look forward to her post-Nightwing work, just so long as she sticks to characters she isn't so intimately attached to.
If the ending she gave her Nightwing run sticks, I'll change my opinion of that run too - I just wish she'd started her run with it instead! (It's sad, but I like seeing characters in happy relationships, and become temporarily upset when authors mess with them for the sake of keeping us coming back for more ... I should stop teasing my wife about watching General Hospital!)
divinebrown
02-11-2006, 10:24 PM
I enjoyed her Batman/ Ra's al Ghul Year One tale, even though it wasn't a true year one story.
As far as Nightwing goes, I didn't think it was that bad. And personally, I'm glad she was reigned in by Infinite Crisis. I don't know why her last story took so long to tell. But her last two issues on the title were fantastic (even though they contradicted Infinite Crisis continuity).
Azrael52
02-11-2006, 10:29 PM
I'm weird. I like Winnick and Grayson. Those are two names that've been bullied as of late. Both draw out there stories. That's the only gripe I have. The rest I like. Someone else mentionged that whenever you finally saw Nightwing's motive and end, it really was exciting. I, too, would've enjoyed a Bludhaven ran by Nightwing. No one else really has that going for them.
Oh, yeah, and apparently, DC is putting out a DC Universe series of novels. I just picked up the first one (I believe). It's called Last Sons. It deals with Superman, Martian Manhunter, and Lobo, and how they are the last of their races. The second book will be writen by Devin Grayson. It deals with Batman, Aquaman, Green Arrow, Tempest, Nightwing, and Arsenal, and their relationships and such. I'm looking forward to this series and to Grayson's book.
Forsaken_One
02-11-2006, 10:48 PM
I haven't really enjoyed her run on Nightwing. Overall I'd say I'll never buy a book because her name is on it, but neither will I drop a book that has a lot of promise because she's writing it.
kkraven
02-11-2006, 10:57 PM
I haven't read much of Devin's work. I don't read Nightwing but it's clear that she's not a popular writer on the title. But, what's your take on her? Has she written anything you enjoy? Or has all of her work rubbed you up the wrong way? I'm just curious if she's a terrible writer overall, in your opinion, or if she's a good writer who just had a bad run with Nightwing.
Devin's runs on Teen Titans and Nightwing were utter disaster's. Some of her work on Gotham Knights was good. Is she a good writer? Her work on Nightwing makes me think hell no.
seaflower
02-11-2006, 11:09 PM
I loved her work on GK and some of the best elements of Bruce Wayne:Murder was done by her. I am very grateful to her for her story arc on GK about the adoption of Dick Grayson.
Her work on the Nightwing series....is .....meh.....
She has a better knack at writing Batman than she does Nightwing. But the latest issue is awesome.
Personally, I think she would work better focusing on novels. If you read her GK run from beginning to end, it reads like a novel. As finish one comic for another, you will develop a much better picture of the batfamily world, than you thought was there.
Guts/Batman
02-12-2006, 12:20 AM
Her Nightwing was weak and pointless (though that may not have been completely her fault)...
Guts/Batman
02-12-2006, 12:24 AM
I'm weird. I like Winnick and Grayson. Those are two names that've been bullied as of late. Both draw out there stories. That's the only gripe I have.
The problem with them drawing out their stories was that the stories went absolutely nowhere...
Captain Jim
02-12-2006, 09:48 PM
Her work during NML was excellent, but I think her work on Gotham Knights is over-rated (mediocre at best; it only seems better than that in comparison with what followed). I've actively disliked her work on Nightwing.
nightwingrjg
02-13-2006, 12:04 AM
Devin may not be the best writer ever but shes solid in my book i enjoyed all the stuff shes writteen including the Nightwing story lines. I basically think shes getting a bad rap cause she ain't writing Nightwing like they want her to. In my opinion shes doin fine as long as she doesn't cross the line considereing she said some pretty controversial stuff about him so if she keeps this up i am one happy reader. Though i would like to see him have a little more of a bad ass attitude.
Nighthawk
02-13-2006, 02:45 AM
Ah! Grayson's Nightwing was the coolest. The only thing that sucked was the Maffia story line...All of her other work was phenominal!
She gets Dick Grayson so perfectly, I love it. I really like her Nightwing/Huntress mini, it's cool.
The Maffia story was lame, but she is so great. No one writes better Nightwing than Dixon, Grayson, and of course Geoff Johns.
muimi
02-13-2006, 04:24 PM
Loved her GK run, enjoyed her Titans run, wasn't quite sure what she was getting at for most of her Nightwing run... but forgave her for the last two pages. Okay, not really. The NW run was still mediocre (at best) to bad (at it's worst) and I think she's much more suited for longer, non-sequential art stories (try novels?), at least for as complex as her story should have probably been.
DLH1970
02-13-2006, 06:33 PM
I'm not a big fan of her work. I didn't like her work on Titans at all. Her Nightwing/Huntress mini was mediocre at best. On Nightwing she had severe problems with characterization, pacing and dialogue. Her story felt like hammering a square peg into a round hole. Now I hear rumor that she is going to be the writer on the new Batwoman series. If so, I won't be picking it up.
Major Danger
02-13-2006, 07:12 PM
I liked her stuff, even Nightwing. Good solid story telling.
Sharcque
02-13-2006, 07:22 PM
Gotham Knights by Grayson was enjoyable, but her Nightwing was atrocious! I mean, nothing good ever happened to Nightwing. All we did was watch devin try to erase everything that Chuck Dixon had done on the book before her, and the only way to do that, was to put the title character thru living hell for many, many years. Add to that her Mary Sue insertion into the storyline, which resulted in Devin, ERRRRRRR, Tarantula taking Nightwing's arch nemesis, Blockbuster, down and not Nightwing, leaving us readers with a feeling of such incompletion in that whole storyline. I mean, would they ever have Joker get killed by, say, Anarchy, and just have Batman watch it happen? Thefinal straw on her run was the "rape" of Nightwing by Devin, ERRRRR, Tarantula.
I for one am glad she's gone!
Guts/Batman
02-13-2006, 07:24 PM
I liked her stuff, even Nightwing. Good solid story telling.
Despite the story going absolutely nowhere?
Nighthawk
02-13-2006, 07:24 PM
I can't believe her Nightwing run is so hated...I liked the whole Blockbuster story, that brought new demention to Dick Grayson...Hmm...
Well, I have a question...why was her Blockbuster not an idiot, did she come up with that? He used to be a bumbling idiot who was really really strong....what happened there?
Uh, I will agree that Nightwings arch nemisis should not have been killed, but if Dick becomes Batman...well his problems will be a lot bigger and he'd just forget Blockbuster.
Joker killed by Anarky? that would be horrible, and sadly poetic...it is(might be) his father...
Matt Algren
02-13-2006, 07:55 PM
Well, I have a question...why was her Blockbuster not an idiot, did she come up with that? He used to be a bumbling idiot who was really really strong....what happened there?That happened in the big Underworld Unleashed crossover from 1995. Neron granted his wish that he be smart.
It was a shame to lose the character, especially in the horrible mess that was Devin Grayson's Tarantula.
Nighthawk
02-13-2006, 08:08 PM
Wow, good to know...
Something else I liked from Grayson was her random Batman books. Hardly ever a mini series, but sometimes she would have like a one book story that was a good filler.
If she is in fact writing the new Batwoman series(I'm not happy this character exists by the way) I will buy it...oh, and is there any possibility that this Batwoman has anything to do with the Batwoman in Superman/Batman?
Guts/Batman
02-13-2006, 08:25 PM
oh, and is there any possibility that this Batwoman has anything to do with the Batwoman in Superman/Batman?
That's Loeb-verse.
I doubt it.
Nighthawk
02-13-2006, 10:10 PM
...I didn't know he had his own verse...I though his Lex Luthor was everones, like when he went nuts and mentioned the Crisis...anyway, Devin Grayson...She's one of my top writers.
werped
02-13-2006, 11:14 PM
Part is the art part is the writtting and part is the charaer. Devin Grayson wrote some very good issues of Gotham Knight where she understood all the bat people then came out in Nightwing and did not have a good story (some of it may have been forced on her but she had more than a year).
Then there is the art. Greg Land is one of the best out there. There is a splash page in #50 that just needs to be seen. He was the best compared to him some of the art in the book is just bad.
The charater Nightwing is a founding member of the Teen Titans along with Tepest, Arsenal and Donna. AKA Robin, Aqualad, Speedy, and Wondergirl the second generation of DCU heros. So for Richard Dick Grayson to act the way he has in his own book is out of charater.
There have been times during her run where for me it is like YES this is Nightwing to NO this can not be Dick.
All of this happens during the time that Devin Grayson is on Nightwing. Her run will not be thought of as one of the best when we look back on it 100 years from now but may not be one of the worst.
Guts/Batman
02-13-2006, 11:23 PM
...I didn't know he had his own verse...I though his Lex Luthor was everones, like when he went nuts and mentioned the Crisis...anyway, Devin Grayson...She's one of my top writers.
He doesn't but his Superman/Batman is so far out to left field that I would have a hard time seeing other writers use those characters.
Nighthawk
02-13-2006, 11:38 PM
I get it, I wouldn't second guess you, I know Frank Miller has his own Bat-verse, so it's not far fetched at all.
Steel Spider
02-14-2006, 06:37 AM
I get it, I wouldn't second guess you, I know Frank Miller has his own Bat-verse, so it's not far fetched at all.
Nah, Frank doesn't have his own Bat-verse. It's more of a "Sin City verse but with the characters dressed as Batman characters".
xnef1025
02-14-2006, 07:00 AM
It's too bad that IC hamstrung the final outcome of Grayson's run. Understandable why they would blow Bludhaven up to stop it though. You can't have Batman's former sidekick running off and succeeding in a modified version of one of Batman's own failed plans. It makes Bats look incompetent if Nightwing is able to pull off his own version of War Games, which is exactly what he did.
jadrax
02-14-2006, 08:09 AM
As I have poasted before, I liked Devins Nightwing run, and I think its a shame it got truncated at the end.
The only stuff she has done that I don't like is "Fear of Faith" and her Matador series.
Sharcque
02-16-2006, 06:02 PM
Nightwing can only get better with Devin gone.
Major Danger
02-16-2006, 06:21 PM
Despite the story going absolutely nowhere?
I found the stories to have the requisite beginning middle and end. Wether you liked where they went is an entirely different subject.
Guts/Batman
02-16-2006, 06:51 PM
I found the stories to have the requisite beginning middle and end. Wether you liked where they went is an entirely different subject.
I must have missed that.
And it may not entirely be here fault but her arc got completely cut off. So her early stories in this arc completely fell flat because of the last issues.
It just doesn't add up.
Nightwing #115, IIRC (the one with Superman), had nothing to do with how the previous issue ended. If she had the chance to finish her arc completely, it could be better but her arc isn't technically sound at all.
seaflower
02-16-2006, 10:18 PM
As much as I am enjoying IC, I am looking forward to its end. The character books are becoming terrible, writers have to cut up story arcs, so that certain scenes from IC can happen, it helps IC but hurts the current story in the book.
Batgrrl
02-16-2006, 10:28 PM
Nightwing can only get better with Devin gone.
I would agree. I enjoyed Dixon much more.
Nighthawk
02-16-2006, 10:31 PM
Dixon rule, sure, but that doesn't mean that the new writer will not completely suck!
Look at the Robin series...Willingham is a good writer...but his Robin sucks horribly.
Batgrrl
02-16-2006, 10:37 PM
As long as Barbara and RIchard are together, things are golden! ;-)
Wonder Dude
02-21-2006, 04:22 AM
Devin's Arsenal rocked!
Devin? Love her. Loved her pre-Nightwing work. The Nightwing run... look, it wasn't good. But nor was it deserving the pure bile that's been directed toward it, the knee-jerk comments about Tarantula being a "Mary-Sue", the repugnant claims that she got to where she is because of who she knows. She tried to give Nightwing a taste of the sort of things Batman's gone through (losing his city, his spine, his secret identity). It didn't fly particularly well, but I respect her for wanting to shake Nightwing out of its rut. And it was in a rut. She took things too far, but at least she was willing to take a chance, not play things safe. If she's more defensive than other creators I'm not surprised - the most hurtful things I've heard said about any creator have been said about her. I've seen people claiming she only got to write because she's slept with Waid. Hell, I've seen people claiming "she's only bi so she can sleep with more people to get to the top". That's disgusting, and I'd probably be super-defensive too if I had to hear that kind of stuff.
She's good. Sometimes she's great. Sometimes she isn't as good as she can be.
stealthwise
02-21-2006, 11:25 AM
I'd put her only slightly about Chuck Austen and Lieberman, which is very very low.
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