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literally exaggerated
02-08-2006, 06:18 PM
So you've been handed the reigns to creating the USA Olympic Basketball team for 2008. You choose the coach, and however many players you want (keeping in mind how hard it is to coordinate a big team, especially one loaded with top talent if thats the way you go). Remember, they will get a couple summers to practice together, but that also means that you have to consider where they'll be in 3 years (young players may improvement, old players may deteriorate). For the purposes of the thread every single player eligible to play for the US will accept if asked.

My picks:

Coach: Larry Brown, I know he screwed things up in 2000, but he's good with all-star players, good at developing young talent, very good defensive coach who likes his players to pass a lot, which is what is needed on the International level. Has proven to be able to make almost any team more competitive given some time. Phil Jackson might work too, as he's tremendous at dealing with big talents, but no way do I see this team running the triangle offense

Amare Stoudamire - Freakishly talented, and given his remarkable lack of experience, likely to continue to see improvement over the next few years, which will be downright scary

Chris Bosch - KG junior can score and rebound tremendously well and can be a force at either forward or center, and is also young enough to just be coming up on his peak come the olympics

Tim Duncan - He's young enough to be on the tailend of his peak come '08, and his style of play is less reliant on physicality and athleticism than it is on his skill/fundamentals. He's got tremendous experience, is a charismatic yet modest leader who meshes well with others, can do it all, plays great D and passes very well. One of the all time greats

Lebron James - USA said they wanted more role players, but I think thats the wrong way to go. There are an increasing number of players in this league who can play a huge number of positions on the floor, who do it all or close to it. Guys like Lebron or KG who can play anywhere. Because of their versatility they could line wherever is needed, take any role required of them. Even were that not my strategy, Lebron would be on my team. One could make the case that he's currently the best player in the world, and he's still getting better. Who knows what he'll be like in a few years, but even if he doesn't improve it all he's a great passer, great rebounder, progidgous (and efficient) versatile scorer, decent defender and very unselfish. Did I mention his athleticism? Faster than every player in the league except Iverson, TJ Ford, Tony Parker, Nate Robinson, Earl Boykins and maybe Kobe. Can jump higher than anybody 'cept perhaps for Josh Smith or Vince Carter. Stronger than anyone his size except maybe Artest. The court vision of, not just a point guard, but a great point guard

Dwyane Wade - Clutch as hell, another do it all guy who is already one of the best in the league and is likely to get better.

Chris Paul - He's already an all-star calibre player, and he's just a rookie. A team this stacked needs the best passer on the market, and Paul will fit the bill in 3 years.

Baron Davis - He won't be as good as Paul then, but he'll still be in his prime, and he'll be among the better passers in the league

Michael Redd - It was tough leaving of Kobe, but I just don't think there's a place for a guy who needs the ball as much as Kobe does on this team. Redd is a 3 point god who can score from anywhere and who will provide exactly the sort of touch from long distance this team needs. Every single player here is capable of getting hot enough to create open looks for Redd, and most are good enough passers regardless, so he would be getting lots of great looks from long range

Kevin Garnett - Along with Lebron, the most versatile player in the league, and he'd be the best defender on this team. Can pass, run, jump, shoot, rebound. You name it, he does it well and efficiently

Paul Pierce - Another freakishly versatile player who will be in his prime come the Olympics. He'll come off the bench, and can fill in wherever needed except perhaps at center

edited because I'm an idiot, and Yao is clearly Chinese, so Bosch for Yao

Brian Cronin
02-08-2006, 06:26 PM
I would not let Larry Brown anywhere near this team.

Dude wouldn't play Lebron James or Amare Stoudermire, even though they were kicking ass at practice (and when they played in the games...what little minutes they got).

-Brian

literally exaggerated
02-08-2006, 06:32 PM
Brown doesn't like rookies or really young players, but in 2008 the youngest player (Paul) will have 3 years under his belt, and Everyone else will have 5+. And Lebron will be far too good not to start at that point. Brown can make some poor decisions, but he's not an idiot. The only position with players of the sort Brown typically chooses over younger, more talented players (i.e. experienced vets who play solid, unselfish, defensive ball) is power forward, and that has 2 players Brown would love fairly equally, KG and Duncan.

Sir Tim Drake
02-08-2006, 06:37 PM
Wouldn't Yao Ming be playing for China's national team?

Smarty Jones
02-08-2006, 07:53 PM
If I was in charge of USA Basketball, the first thing I would do is hire a coach that knows the international style of basketball -- Phoenix's Mike D'Antoni. I would want my team to be modeled after his Suns -- namely, a team that runs all the time and can put pressure on the defense with relentless attacks.

Now, the team:

CHRIS PAUL, PG - AGE 23 IN 2008. Paul would be the ideal point guard to lead this unit. He plays uptempo ball very well, is a solid passer and can score when needed without monopolizing the ball.

GILBERT ARENAS, PG/SG - AGE 26. A dominant scorer who can distribute the ball, Arenas will be vital scoring from three-point range and taking over when needed while not domineering.

DWYANE WADE, PG/SG - AGE 26. A solid all-around player who can man both guard both positions. Wade will be relentless driving the lanes and can team with Bryant for a good trapping duo.

KOBE BRYANT, SG - AGE 30. KB8 will be in his prime, so we likely will be seeing the same player we're seeing now -- which is a frightening prospect.

MICHAEL REDD, SG - AGE 29. Redd would be a great zone-buster, but he also can put it on the floor and score when needed.

LeBRON JAMES, PG/SG/SF - AGE 23. It's frightening to think Bron Bron could be only more mature at this time. He likely would be the best player in the world by 2008.

TRACY McGRADY, SG/SF - AGE 29. T-Mac will be in the midst of his prime, and will add yet another unstoppable wing player on this incredibly versatile unit.

SHAWN MARION, SF - AGE 30. The Matrix is another one in the middle of his prime. Marion will have the advantage of being acclimated to D'Antoni's system.

ELTON BRAND, PF - AGE 29. Brand will be a great interior player, to give Team USA someone who will bang inside with some of the bigger European players.

AMARE STOUDEMIRE, PF/C - AGE 26. He should be the best power forward in the NBA in two seasons. Stoudemire can run like the wind in transition and should punish other teams' big men filling the lanes.

TIM DUNCAN, PF/C - AGE 32. Duncan should be near the end of his prime, and will be the ambassador of the team. He will handle most of the load as the center.

KEVIN GARNETT, F - AGE 32. Another all-time great who should be near the end of his prime but yet potent. Versatile enough to guard all three frontcourt positions, can pass, rebound and ignite the transition game.

Valmore
02-08-2006, 08:33 PM
I would not let Larry Brown anywhere near this team.

Dude wouldn't play Lebron James or Amare Stoudermire, even though they were kicking ass at practice (and when they played in the games...what little minutes they got).

Larry Brown should be barred from Olympic coaching for his farcical attempt at it in 2004.

I like most of Jones' team - the problem in 2004 was too many big guys that play the same position - Boozer, Okafor, Stoudamire (who didn't even get to play!), Duncan... and international play is a lot of run-and-gun happy-fun-time shooting.

In a couple years, I'd be tempted to swap Michael Redd for Delonte West, depending on how well along West comes in the next couple of years. He can play both the point and the off spot and has athleticism and a great outside shot. It really depends on the next couple of seasons to see if anyone else emerges. Of course, I'm also biased for Delonte.

Brian Cronin
02-08-2006, 08:57 PM
Mike D'Antoni is a brilliant choice. Good job, Smarty.

I don't even think he's all that good of a coach, but if you're playing the international game, he's the man you want.

-Brian

Brian Cronin
02-08-2006, 09:00 PM
Larry Brown should be barred from Olympic coaching for his farcical attempt at it in 2004.

I like most of Jones' team - the problem in 2004 was too many big guys that play the same position - Boozer, Okafor, Stoudamire (who didn't even get to play!), Duncan... and international play is a lot of run-and-gun happy-fun-time shooting.

In a couple years, I'd be tempted to swap Michael Redd for Delonte West, depending on how well along West comes in the next couple of years. He can play both the point and the off spot and has athleticism and a great outside shot. It really depends on the next couple of seasons to see if anyone else emerges. Of course, I'm also biased for Delonte.

My problem with the 2004 team is that, had Brown just played the best available players, the US probably WOULD have won the damn thing.

Teams could not stop Tim Duncan, but Duncan also picked up fouls. And when Duncan couldn't go low, the US did not have another low presence. Oh, and they had AMARE FREAKIN' STOUDEMIRE on the bench!! It would be one thing if Amare wasn't playing well, but the guy WAS playing well, and when he got into the games, he played very well - sadly, he only got, what, a minute a game? Some ridiculous number like that.

So that's one guy, then the OTHER guy is Lebron. At the time, would you have traded Lebron for BOTH of the guys who were playing ahead of him?

Would anyone do a Lebron for Odom and Jefferson trade?

Of course not, and yet both of those guys were playing ahead of Lebron.

This is Brown's problem. He somehow cannot distinguish between OLD and GOOD. He thinks they are the same thing.

He is wrong.

Iverson
Wade
James
Amare
Duncan

That would win Gold in 2004.

-Brian

BigJayStudd
02-09-2006, 07:45 AM
I'll give this one a whirl......


It starts at the top and i'd hire Greg Popovich to coach the team. His track record speaks for itself, and will help with the D.

Kirk Hinrich, PG-His shot isn't the greatest, but he won't need it on this team. All he needs to do is dish the ball and play D. It's what he does best.

Chauncy Billups, PG-Another guy who can dish the rock, he also plays excellent help defense.

Dwyane Wade, PG/SG-He's a triple double threat whenever he steps on the court. He can do it all.

Kobe Bryant, SG-Kobe can score, everybody knows that. He's on here for his defense. When motivated, he can shut you down.

Tracy Mcgrady, SG/SF-Another guy who can do it all. Passing is underrated.

LeBron James, SG/SF- Pretty self-explanatory.

Shawn Marion, SF,PF-Guy can hit the trey, rebound, and racks up the blocks and steals. Has no trouble sharing the shots either. See Phoenix.

Elton Brand, PF- STILL is underrated. Monster shot blocker.

Kevin Garnett, PF,C-Still one of the top 3 best players in the game. Plays awesome D and is one of the best passing big men.

Tim Duncan, PF, C-It's Tim Duncan for crying out loud.

Ben Wallace, PF, C-DE-FENSE. DE-FENSE. Won't need him to score. That's good, because he has troubles in that area.

And the last guy.....

J.J. Redick, SG- I hate Duke, but I can't deny he's the best player in college right now.

That's the squad. Good mix of defense, passing, and scoring. On top of that, there really isn't any big time trouble makers on the team. Most of these guys are model citizens, and are easy to coach. (I said most).

literally exaggerated
02-09-2006, 08:36 AM
Chauncey's great, but he'll be like 33 come the olympics, which is pushing it for a PG

BigJayStudd
02-09-2006, 08:39 AM
Chauncey's great, but he'll be like 33 come the olympics, which is pushing it for a PG

He'll be a young 33 though. Before the last 4 years he was pretty much a part time player.