Ghost Rider #6 of 6 SPOILERS

[TheSentryLives]

Ghost Rider is told by kazaan that he has been tricked into getting him because Malachi the angel is actually the brother of Kazaan. GR doesn't want to hear it and tries to fight Kazaan by launching himself at him. Kazaan's form is destroyed and out appears a blue angel form.

Ms. Catmint threatens to throw mr. gustav over the mountain edge and into hell if he doesn't reverse the hell spell. He does it out of desperation but ruth appears behind ms. catmint and say's "Boo" she drops him anyway into the depths of hell. Kazaan is sent to hell as well as all the demons. The burnt priest takes the last shot and shoots off GR's skull.

The preist looks like he is at the gates of heaven with jesus their to introduce him. He feels he was forgiven but it turned out it was hoss in costume. He told him,you made a deal with the devil? you really think were gonna let you go? The priest is in hell burning.

GR is back in hell with malachi their telling him that he has to stay in hell and that he was too stupid to realize he was being used. at the same moment ruth appears and rips off his wings. Hoss is there as well and he explained to GR that malachi and kazaan or his true name of mich are brothers but mich joined lucifer during the downfall. So both brothers were trading secrets from each side and that couldn't continue.

So hoss and ruth let GR do most of the work and they get promoted. GR is forced to stay in hell again but he is not alone. Gustav has also been turned into a ghostrider looking form but this time still in the motorized wheelchair racing across hell.

Malachi also is being tortured in hell along with everyone else,ripped,raped,ravaged.

Great series as a whole

[Cash Lone]

Worst. Ennis. Story. Ever.

[Neolucifer]

Worst Ghost Rider book ever . but i'll stop there i've already given enough time my opinion about that cheap preacher/spawn rip-off .

[Ivan Isaacs]

Worst. Ennis. Story. Ever.

Naa... "Rifle Brigade" was FAR worse.

Worst Ghost Rider book ever.

Naa... "Hammer Lane" was FAR FAR FAR worse.

It was still a very bad book (aside from the art) and read like abandoned Preacher scrips Ennis picked up from the garbage can.
Hopefully they get a new writer for the Saltares/Texeira series.

[Neolucifer]

Naa... "Hammer Lane" was FAR FAR FAR worse.

Actually while Hammer lane was awful , i find this one worse . At least Hammer really featured GR , it wasnt Hoss and his amazing Friend Buttview (Tm) adventures and as special guest Ghost Rider :D .

[Hiromi]

What an unfufilling ending.

[Ivan Isaacs]

At least Hammer really featured GR , it wasnt Hoss and his amazing Friend Buttview (Tm) adventures and as special guest Ghost Rider :D .

Heh. :D
Good one. :D

[bd2999]

Ghost Rider is my favorite character but I have to agree with the negativity to a degree. The art was good, but the story ended up not being as much fun as I thought it would be. It started out good and the final twist was fine, but sadly it did not seem to have enough GR in it. I mean he was in it but he did not seem vital at all. I mean he was there but he really did not seem to accompish anything. I mean I did not expect him to win outright or anything but I was expecting more from him. I mean we got more out of the Hoss guy and the secondary characters than we did GR.

I hope the series sells well just so Marvel will consider giving GR his own series again, but last I heard that is still not likely at the moment. So sad, he is such a great character.

[RabidWolfe]

What a ....

predictable


...ending.

No way this fits into current Marvel continuity. The art was gorgeous - the writing subpar.

What purpose did the preacher character serve? None. He could have been eliminated entirely, and the story would have been exactly the same.

Hammer Lane was better - for the reasons listed above. Not much better, but a little better. This was Preacher-lite and Hellblazer-wannabe. Weak, even for Ennis.

I'd say more, but I'm trembling in rage at the utter lamness, predictability and gratuitousness of this series.

[Taskmaster]

Wow I never thought i'd see the day that Hammer Lane was praised as a far superior Ghost Rider stkory to the one on the market, but here we are. The art on this book was so sweet, but Ennis didn't even phone this one in, he flushed it in. This turd of a book had no redeemable qualities other than the nice art. Like said above this wasn't even a Ghost Rider book and hopefully this book will be tossed out alongside Hammer Lane when the new book starts (even though I think it could be fun to fit Hammer Lane into continuity unlike this monstrosity (see my idea for the id of the demon possessing Johnny in previous Ghost Rider threads))

[hbkabdul]

Another $#!tty Ghost Rider book where GR is hardly the focus of the series. Nothing new or interesting is said about the title character at all and seems to be more than just a cypher for the plot. I hope Ennis never writes another GR story ever again.

[abyss]

Hammer Lane was far worse. Sure we didn't have GH story but least i nthis mini we had some sort of storlyine and a few interested cahracters. I was at the very least enternaing. Where as Hammer Lane was jsut GH running aorund losing control and killing people. GH dialouge sucked i nthsi mini but at least he spoke as opposed to the HL.

[Neolucifer]

I still think that Hammer Lane was better (yet still horrible) , for the mentioned reasons , but also because at least HL was a "new" story . The current GR mini was nothing but Preacher redux with a bit of hellblazer and Spawn (and to me having such a GR ripoff like spawn , being copied in a GR story , is like the ultimate insult) .

At the very least HL maybe fullfilled some people fantasies about GR killing everything around (not mine) ... at best the Ennis Mini give us ... Buttview ...

EDIT : I may have uncovered yet another reason !! At the very least we remember the "Hammer lane" name
While i cant even describe the mini , in other ways that "the current GR mini" , "the New GR Mini" , "the Ennis GR mini" etc etc ...and remember its real name .

[abyss]

And yet a wannabe Preacher story is still better than half the stories thats put out today by the so called industry.

[unkiedev]

Hammer lane was a better ghost rider story IF ONLY FOR THE FACT that it WAS a ghost rider story. As has been pointed out a bunch of times the main characters in this were Hoss, the angels and the Deamon.

This was as awful a comic as I've ever read. I'm going to send the issues back to Marvel and ask for my money back.

The art was a Burt-Umber abomination. You couldn't tell one figure from another.

And at the end of the story? EVERYTHING is back to normal and nothing changed! Hooray! Six issues to retell the movie Dogma.

Absolutely horrible.

[Neolucifer]

And yet a wannabe Preacher story is still better than half the stories thats put out today by the so called industry.

I disagree even more , in a MU filled with excellent books like Young Avengers , she hulk , Runaways , Marvel Team up , and imo plenty others (yet often controversed books) , this preacher wannabe is junk :D .

Hell imo it didnt even qualify as a story , it sums up to crude jokes and painted nothingness , or rather organic being and tentacles .

[abyss]

I disagree even more , in a MU filled with excellent books like Young Avengers , she hulk , Runaways , Marvel Team up , and imo plenty others (yet often controversed books) , this preacher wannabe is junk :D .

Hell imo it didnt even qualify as a story , it sums up to crude jokes and painted nothingness , or rather organic being and tentacles .
I guess it boils down to taste..although I agree the story was pretty bad compared to other Marvel titles I'd say it was good.

[Jim Yost]

Wow... and I was starting to turn my attitude around on this series.

Way to drop the ball, Garth! That ending made the entire series IRRELEVANT!!!

Ugh, why god, why???

[Taskmaster]

Wow, the near universal hatred of this book makes me want to hold hands and sing with all of my CBR friends, is that just me?

[Neolucifer]

This would be quite cool , with issues of the GR mini as a bonfire !!

[DDM]

Wow, the near universal hatred of this book makes me want to hold hands and sing with all of my CBR friends, is that just me?

It's not just you.

[Taskmaster]

This would be quite cool , with issues of the GR mini as a bonfire !!

Good idea, you know I hear that crap makes a terrific fuel for bonefires

[overcomebyfumes]

The absolute least I was hoping to salvage out of this mess was an ending that re-introduced Ghost Rider to the Marvel Universe and set up a new series, or at the very least, another mini.

Instead, we have everything right back where it was. Boooo! :mad:

[Jessica Drew]

After the first two issues, I read many people singing the praises of this mini. I wasn't one of them, as I hated the first issue and dropped it. I had already ordered the second one before I read the first one, and when I read issue #2, my feelings hadn't changed. I felt the writing was horrid, but I didn't read very many people espousing the same thoughts. Did the series worsen after the second issue?

[abyss]

After the first two issues, I read many people singing the praises of this mini. I wasn't one of them, as I hated the first issue and dropped it. I had already ordered the second one before I read the first one, and when I read issue #2, my feelings hadn't changed. I felt the writing was horrid, but I didn't read very many people espousing the same thoughts. Did the series worsen after the second issue?
Yes it did..it just went down hill from issue to issue.

[overcomebyfumes]

After the first two issues, I read many people singing the praises of this mini. I wasn't one of them, as I hated the first issue and dropped it. I had already ordered the second one before I read the first one, and when I read issue #2, my feelings hadn't changed. I felt the writing was horrid, but I didn't read very many people espousing the same thoughts. Did the series worsen after the second issue?

After the first two issues, a lot of folk here were griping pretty vigorously. I was still like "no, this could go somewhere". But the rest of the series proved me wrong.

If there had just been a little more emphasis of Ghost Rider, that could have saved it. If Buttview actually had a part to play in the story, and wasn't Ennis-style window-dressing. If the series had brought GR back into play in the MU. Those were my three main gripes with it.

As for the art, I thought it was fantastic (my grandpa would call it "gilting a turd"), but I know some didn't like it.

The series should have been titled "Miss Catmint: the Revenge". That would have been far more accurate.

I like Miss Catmint. I hope she gets her own series. Maybe she can become the next Hellcat.

[SlightlyMad]

This would be quite cool , with issues of the GR mini as a bonfire !!

Nah, I'll wait til the movie gets closer then stick it on ebay.

I thought it was an OK Garth Ennis story, but a poor GR story.
At least everything was put back to the way it was at the beginning of the story, so someone else (Howard Mackie hopefully) can take over & sort out the continuity mess that has become of Ghost Rider & John Blaze (Bring back the Spirits of Vengeance! :evilsmile ).

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[Jessica Drew]

...(my grandpa would call it "gilting a turd")....

That sounds like it needs to be the title of a new thread....

[Neolucifer]

As for the art, I thought it was fantastic

I liked it a first , and could have been great , if not for the fact that it was so damn obscure . I dunno if it were the copies i bough , for the two first (and only ones bought) , but it wasnt clear enough .
I even resorted to re-read them in brighter scans .

[StoneGold]

Question: the sequel book, the western Ghost Rider series, is supposed to come out through Marvel Knights. Which would imply if the line existed then as it did today, Ghost Rider would have too. And part of the thing in Marvel Knights is that it isn't considered as continuity.

Would that have changed some people's minds?

[abyss]

The current Marvel Knights series is in conintuity with the rest of the Marvel universe. The new MK line will not be in continuity stories. And I don't think its a sequeal its feature a toally new person as the Spirit of Vengance.

[matgro]

I had high hopes for this book and they were shattered after the first couple of issues. The book almost seemed to parody itself, never quite being completely serious (Buttview - WTF?) and portraying Ghost Rider as an ineffective boob who never defeats anyone and is being strung along by every other character in a plot that he is completely unaware of. I thought it looked really dumb in this last issue when he spewed chains out of his mouth to tie up Kazann while Ms. Catmint, the quiet secretary was actually the one to send all the demons back to hell, including Kazann. But don't forget, Ghost Rider had him tied up for a while - which had absolutely no bearing on him being sent back to Hell, it was just kind of a minor inconvenience for him, you know, being tied up in chains for a few seconds. You showed him, Ghost Rider. Way to tie up those villains. Keep dishing out those minor inconveniences. Also, he had a weapon that looked sort of like a mace on some of the covers, but never used it in a single issue. I really don't understand how this book got so bad.

[Ravenheart]

I have to admit,I was a little disappointed in the final issue.What was the whole point of the story if we end up back where we were when it started.It seems like a big waste to me.Now I'm looking forward to the Texeira/Salteres series even more then I already was.

[scouse mouse]

I like Miss Catmint. I hope she gets her own series. Maybe she can become the next Hellcat.

She was my favourite character in this mini. I was actually more concerned about her and hoped she wouldnt die than GR. This was my first time reading a Ghost Rider story and I thought it was okay nothing special. Judging by everyone elses's comments on this thread this was nothing like the Ghost rider of old.

[ghostrider666]

I have to admit,I was a little disappointed in the final issue.What was the whole point of the story if we end up back where we were when it started.It seems like a big waste to me.Now I'm looking forward to the Texeira/Salteres series even more then I already was.

I agree. Further adding to the dissapointment was the art. The problem being that it was too dark. Nice digital stuff, but so dark it was hard to see what was on the page.

[Lord_Archive]

This was a disappointment. I think Ennis should be hit in the head for this.

Hard.

This character was so completely not Ghost Rider. They need to ditch the "human" aspect of this weenie roaster and go back to the bad ass GR was always meant to be. There have been scooby-doo villains that were more menacing than this pale incarnation of GR. This was more like Peter "woe is me" Parker wearing a Ghost Rider mask.

And dump the christian mythology.. What? Ennis felt he didn't have enough characters to pick from with Mephisto, Blackheart, Zarathos, Lilith (who was last seen impregnated with the child of Zarathos), Snowblind and Blackout, or Scarecrow running around? Hell, even Madcap made for a better storyline way back in GR #32.

[TJ Shoun]

Not the best thing I've ever read.

And certainly not the best thing I've read from Ennis. (Preacher is one of my all-time favorite reads.)

This book had it's moments -- c'mon Buttview was kinda funny, Ruth was a mean bitch and Fat Texan Demon was amusing -- but overall I felt letdown.

The ending was a huge disappointment and there was virtually ZERO focus on GR's character.

Crain's art looked fabulous in places, but then looked dark, muddled, confusing, and indecipherable in others. He's obviously very talented but some lighter tones and more clarity would've made the art much better.

I didn't read Crain's Venom/Carnage (or whatever it was) miniseries from last year. Was the art comparable in it?

[JoeEngland]

I'm gonna rant here. Please excuse me.
Okay, I'd been waiting months to see how this turned out. It seemed to have so much promise, at first. I thought that issue one carried a lot of potential, so I decided to see it through. now, since the local comic shop is a little unpredictable some of the issues didn't make it to the stand. But I said okay, I just wanted to see number six so I could decide whether or not to get the TPB based on the first issue and the last.
And man, what a disappointment. I mean... call me old-fashioned, but I prefer for the villain to scream the HERO'S name as he falls into ruin. What do we get? "CURSE YOU, MS. CATMINT, YOU MEDDLING SECRETARY! CURSE YOOUUU!! Oh, and you too Ghost Rider. Curse you too. A THOUSAND FLAMES ON YOUR HEAD, THOU DAMNED PERSONAL ASSISTAAANNT!!"
Good grief. Ghost Rider doesn't even make it out of Hell! What was the freaking point of any of that!? I was in this so that I could see how he GETS OUT OF HELL. Does he? No, he winds up trapped forever, more pissed off than he was before. The only payoff is that he's got an angel tied to his bike now. Woop-de-do.
And, of course, I was in this to see Ghost Rider kick some ass. But he hardly even fought anyone, and furthermore, he didn't freaking WIN any of the fights he WAS in! Not that I saw, anyway. He tied with Hoss, he just sort of grappled with Kazaan (and wasn't that the name of a genie played by Shaquille O'Neal?), he got blown away by a mutilated priest, and that Tony Goldwyn angel was making him his bitch until Ruth took him down after she stole his ride and got away with it! And man, after what she did to that poor little kid in the first issue, I REALLY wanted to see her get hers. Wasn't someone supposed to fight her? Otherwise, why set her up as an obstacle? Why was she in the story, to throw a bus, steal the bike, and say "Boo?" Why was Hoss there, if all he did was give Ghost Rider a ride? And what was with that mace thing he kept swinging around? Do bikers usually have those? What was up with that, and that tube on his shoulder? And did Buttview actually DO anything besides play chauffeur? Maybe I missed the issues where he impacted the story, but how could he even fit in a car with his back between his legs, much less drive?? Hell, why was ANYTHING even IN this series?? GAH! So much of it was just POINTLESS! Ms. Catmint could've carried the entire damn plot!
Geez. I'm in graduate school right now getting an MFA in comic art. I'm taking classes on comic storytelling and comic scripting. I like to think I've seen the best and the worst of either, in my studies. But this... this was excruciating.
Ironically enough, this series went straight to Hell.

[mrpoizun]

What I still want to know is who was the other person in the backseat of Hoss' Caddy with Ghost Rider?