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tricksterpup
02-07-2006, 08:28 PM
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Laptop Computers May Affect Male Fertility

Best Not to Balance Them on the Lap, Study Shows By Miranda Hitti
WebMD Medical News Reviewed By Brunilda Nazario, MD
on Wednesday, December 08, 2004


Dec. 8, 2004 -- Male fertility may be affected by perching laptop computers on the lap, according to a new study.

Balancing laptop computers on the lap raises the scrotum's temperature, say researchers including Yefim Sheynkin, MD, FACS, of the urology department at the State University of New York at Stony Brook.

About 15%-20% of couples that want to get pregnant aren't able to conceive. Many of those cases trace back to issues relating to the male. Gradually declining sperm production has been noted in recent decades, say the researchers.

Elevated scrotal temperatures have been linked to male infertility. Many factors can raise scrotal temperature, including hot baths, saunas, and tight jockey shorts.

Laptop computers may also belong on that list, say Sheynkin's team. They studied 29 healthy young men ages 21 to 35 for two, one-hour sessions in a climate-controlled room.

Participants were all similarly dressed in casual clothes. After having their body temperature taken and standing in the room for 15 minutes to adjust to the room's temperature, they sat down and were given working or nonworking laptop computers.

The researchers used two brands of Pentium 4 laptop computers. The brands aren't identified in the study, which appears in the European journal Human Reproduction.

The men balanced the computers on their laps. The researchers then removed the nonworking computers, instructing the men to hold the position for the rest of the session. Participants with working laptop computers kept the computers in place throughout the session.

The men's scrotal temperature was recorded every three minutes. The temperature on the bottom of the working computers was also monitored.

Scrotal temperature rose with the working and nonworking computers. However, the working laptops prompted a greater increase in scrotal temperature -- around a 5 degrees Fahrenheit increase (or about 2.7 degrees Celsius).

Participants without working laptops had a scrotal temperature increase of about 3 to 4 degrees Fahrenheit (2.1 degrees Celsius).

Technology doesn't deserve all the blame. The position required to balance a laptop computer in the lap -- with thighs close together to balance the computers -- also increases scrotal temperature. Still, the heat generated by the laptops adds to the problem.

In the study, the bottom of the laptop computers rose from about 88 degrees Fahrenheit (31 degrees Celsius) to almost 104 degrees Fahrenheit (40 degrees Celsius) after an hour. Both brands had similar temperature increases.

"Working on laptop computers in a laptop position causes significant scrotal temperature elevation as a result of heat exposure and posture-related effects," say the researchers.

Is the increase enough to impair male fertility? The researchers can't say for sure. However, they note that another study showed that sperm concentration dropped by 40% when median daytime scrotal temperature rose by 1 to 2 degrees Fahrenheit (or 1 degree Celsius).

More than 60 million laptop computers are expected to be in use by 2005, with another 90 million worldwide, the researchers say. Calling for more studies, they suggest that teenage boys and young men may want to limit their use of laptop computers on their laps.

Dan Apodaca
02-07-2006, 08:31 PM
Good. Like we need more babies in the world.

Theophilus
02-10-2006, 09:48 PM
Laptop computers do indeed effect male fertility.

"Honey, are you coming to bed yet?"

"In a minute! I'm posting pics of Superman's new costume! I can't believe DC did this!"

Rachel Grey
02-10-2006, 10:19 PM
Laptop computers do indeed effect male fertility.

"Honey, are you coming to bed yet?"

"In a minute! I'm posting pics of Superman's new costume! I can't believe DC did this!"

Or... Imitates the sound of a guy beating off to net porn.

BlairH
02-11-2006, 07:20 AM
Damn! My Alienware gets really hot.

Good thing it's on the desk most of the time!

Tadhg Adams
02-11-2006, 07:31 AM
I thought this was common sense? They really had to do research on this? God, I need to get into academia.

Thanos_6383
02-11-2006, 06:11 PM
Thank god i have a desktop.Unless some news says that desktops do the aforementioned thread topic,i'll have nothing to worry about(I hope)

FunkyGreenJerusalem
02-11-2006, 06:43 PM
They studied it, and the best they came up with is a 'maybe'???

I hope they got their grant revoked.

Chevan
02-11-2006, 06:52 PM
They studied it, and the best they came up with is a 'maybe'???

I hope they got their grant revoked.

The article's more than a year old. I'm sure they've come up with something more by now.

FunkyGreenJerusalem
02-11-2006, 06:56 PM
The article's more than a year old. I'm sure they've come up with something more by now.
Do they need to study it?

Putting somthing warm over your scrotum heats it up.

We knew this already!

Tadhg Adams
02-11-2006, 06:57 PM
Do they need to study it?

Putting somthing warm over your scrotum heats it up.

We knew this already!

You and I have been agreeing too much lately. It's getting scary.

Chevan
02-11-2006, 07:21 PM
Do they need to study it?

Putting somthing warm over your scrotum heats it up.

We knew this already!

Hey, I assumed that coffee being hot is common knowledge, but if that's lawsuit material, I fear for the laptop designers.

FunkyGreenJerusalem
02-11-2006, 07:26 PM
You and I have been agreeing too much lately. It's getting scary.

It's these common knowledge/fact based threads that are doing it to us.

We're not made for the black and white world where things are right or they are wrong.

We need discussion/opinion based threads, with shades of grey, if we want to be able to disagree with each other more.

mgs
02-11-2006, 07:28 PM
*pictures middle-aged men buying their first laptops and using them on their laps on their way to work looking around and wondering how all the youngin's are able to do this but grimmacing through the pain and saying to themselves that if they can do it, so can I"!

FunkyGreenJerusalem
02-11-2006, 07:32 PM
Hey, I assumed that coffee being hot is common knowledge, but if that's lawsuit material, I fear for the laptop designers.

I don't care what the product is, if you put it on your balls you accept all risks and take all responisbility.

DarkBlade
02-11-2006, 07:51 PM
Hey, I assumed that coffee being hot is common knowledge, but if that's lawsuit material, I fear for the laptop designers.

Argh. Again, that coffee was much hotter than it was supposed to be. The fact that she required skin grafts due to severity of the burns would be a good clue.

Chevan
02-11-2006, 07:59 PM
Argh. Again, that coffee was much hotter than it was supposed to be. The fact that she required skin grafts due to severity of the burns would be a good clue.

I'm aware of that. I still think it's ridiculous.

Dan Apodaca
02-11-2006, 08:21 PM
I'm aware of that. I still think it's ridiculous.

Well, it's clearly not. The coffee was much hotter than it was supposed to be. That's a valid complaint.

mgs
02-11-2006, 08:53 PM
Well, it's clearly not. The coffee was much hotter than it was supposed to be. That's a valid complaint.
yeah, but until that point, no one had any real qualifier as to how hot coffee should be. certainly no one said it should be skin threateningly hot, but then no one also said it shouldn't. back then, hot meant hot. and that's how coffee was served.

this really is one more thing that made apparent the dangers of driving while multitasking into the modern world.

Tadhg Adams
02-11-2006, 09:40 PM
yeah, but until that point, no one had any real qualifier as to how hot coffee should be. certainly no one said it should be skin threateningly hot, but then no one also said it shouldn't. back then, hot meant hot. and that's how coffee was served.

Not quite true. There were known temperatures at which coffee should be kept at for human consumption. And there were memos and such that showed McDonalds knew that the temperature they kept the coffee at was unsafe, but by keeping it so hot, they'd have to replace it less often. So it was willful negligence. Of course, the woman was found partially culpable because she was an idiot and kept hot coffee between her legs.

Thanos_6383
02-11-2006, 10:47 PM
Hot Coffee is good for 2 things.

#1.Drinking in the early mornings
#2.Throwing in the face of someone who's pissing you off(make sure it's REAL hot) :D

howyadoin
02-12-2006, 02:08 AM
I don't care what the product is, if you put it on your balls you accept all risks and take all responisbility.And that includes teeth.

Chevan
02-12-2006, 06:50 AM
Not quite true. There were known temperatures at which coffee should be kept at for human consumption. And there were memos and such that showed McDonalds knew that the temperature they kept the coffee at was unsafe, but by keeping it so hot, they'd have to replace it less often. So it was willful negligence. Of course, the woman was found partially culpable because she was an idiot and kept hot coffee between her legs.

I drink my coffee black. When I take it out of the pot, it's WAY too hot to even think about drinking it right then and there, so I let it sit for a while to cool down to the point where I can drink it without blistering my entire mouth. If I were to pour a cup straight from the pot and drink it there, I really think I'd deserve the pain that I got. I'm not saying she deserved the pain. I just think she should have recognized that sometimes coffee is too hot to drink/touch/put in lap right when you get it.

Okay, that's anecdotal evidence, but it's all I've got.

Sheldon
02-12-2006, 09:57 AM
That study is old and based mostly on older laptops that got pretty damn hot. Today's laptops are cooler and less of a risk.

Its funny when that article came out, my mother in law fwd it to me....I guess she was worried about it.