Anyone else annoyed with Marvel?

[MakeshiftHero]

It seems like Marvel hasn't been making any strong books lately. They've just been drifting with their characters trying to find a new way to change up team rosters (with the Apocalypse story arc in X-Men, and his new horsemen with very "familiar" faces), by bringing back old characters, or find a new way to change a character (temporarily in many cases, such as Spider-Man’s mystery "illness" that was never revealed or his new costume that many people believe will only be used for the Civil War series, or how Quicksilver (and I promise sooner or later Magneto) will gain his powers back in some way) to boost sales. Good examples of what I’m talking about would be the many Disassembled books or House of M, the books that when they end "nothing will ever be the same". Don't get me wrong I liked the books and thought that they were good stories but to just kill off good characters such as Hawkeye Vision and Thor only to bring them back sooner or later (maybe in Civil War?) is something I just don't like. I've been a huge fan of Marvel comics since I could read but lately all of my favorite books have been a huge upset. I think Marvel should stop trying to focus on the characters they use and start looking at ways they could use the character to help create a good story. I think the Daredevil run has been amazing and with what they're doing to Matt and the fact that they stick with it and try not to undo what has happened to his life 5 issues later. I'd like to know if there's anyone out there that agrees with me and thinks that Marvel should change what they're doing or if they're kind of annoyed at the fact of them over using characters (Wolverine/Spider-Man) just to have them in different books to make Marvel more money. Or to bring in people like Spider-Woman or Sentry to the Avengers to give them solo stories to help create sales that way.

[Hombre]

It seems like Marvel hasn't been making any strong books lately.

If you picked only Marvel Essentials and classic reprints, you'd have to read for a very long time. If you started with backissues, you'd have to read and hunt to keep you occupied for a lifetime.

I just think that you should keep up with today's Marvel only if there are strong books that keep pulling you in. Personally, right now, I wouldn't want to miss out on Captain America, and I look forward to Astonishing X-Men and New Avengers.

[Sharcque]

I'm way on the other side of the from you on this one. I think Marvel has some awesome books coming out these days: New Thunderbolts, Captain America, Marvel Team-Up, the Pulse, Marvel Zombies, Daredevil, The Thing, Every Ultimate book, Exiles, Wolverine, Sable & Fortune, Powers, X-Factor, Young AvengersDaughters Of The Dragon, Nextwave. I'm even surprisingly liking the latest chapter of X-Men: The End!

[abyss]

I think Marvel has tons of great books out there you just to find one that suits your taste. The books I enjoy are:

Daredevil
Punisher
Supreme Power
Thunderbolts
The Ultimates
Captain America
Hulk
Astonishing X-Men
Cable & Deadpool
X-Factor
Young Avengers

I think alot of the flagshi books are the weak ones. Like New Avengers and majoirty of the X-titles. And Spider-Man and all there recent crossovers have been pretty bad. I don't see how giving characters from New Avengers would boost sales. Maybe a little I for one enjoy Spider-Woman and Sentry and woudl glady read an mini or ongoing for mthem. But the hell im gonan read the New Avengers title. I don't read titles because of the character featured I read them because they are written good.

[MythicBrawn]

Planet Hulk looks to be interesting. You can't knock a Hulk in an environment where he can bring his full power to bear. The Ultimates is also good when it comes out. That's all I look forward to. All the rest I can either bypass or what for the trade.

[Lord S]

Who hasn't been annoyed with Marvel? I've been annoyed ever since dropping X-Men and Uncanny X-Men back in 2000 (after the horrible 'Apocalypse: Twelve' saga). I haven't bought any mainstream, continuity books since then...with the exception of 'House of M'...which was lukewarm at best.

I stick with minis...they're a lot more entertaining, and the only things worth reading, IMO. Although I am going to be picking up X-Men 182 tomorrow just to see Apocalypso.

[Roquefort Raider]

I am annoyed by Marvel's editorial attitude, certainly. Way too much hype, way too many "events", way too many storylines claiming that "everything will change forever" or "everything you thought you knew is wrong".

Do I want things to stay stale and unchanging? No, I don't. I welcome change. But to me, responsible change in a modern mythology like Marvel's means allowing characters to grow over time, not to change them overnight for the sake of a cheap thrill. I would welcome Spider-Man raising his daughter. I was touched by Aunt May's passing. I was glad that Franklin Richards FINALLY went the 4 1/2 year old mark and got a baby sister. That's growth. I do not need, however, a spider-totem magical Spider-Man, or "shocking revelations" about the sex life of Gwen Stacy. Getting the X-Men out of the spandex and the cliché super-team mold was growth; bringing them back to it just showed that the enthusiasm manifested by Marvel at the time was little more than a show of smoke and mirrors.

I'd be much happier with the company if it piped down on big crossovers and put the emphasis on the good books it produces, as there are many that deserve it. Recent runs of Daredevil, Captain America and the ever-late Ultimates were excellent comics and did not rely on gimmicks.

So, yeah, I'm a little annoyed with Marvel.

[Agentum]

If you picked only Marvel Essentials and classic reprints, you'd have to read for a very long time. If you started with backissues, you'd have to read and hunt to keep you occupied for a lifetime.

I just think that you should keep up with today's Marvel only if there are strong books that keep pulling you in. Personally, right now, I wouldn't want to miss out on Captain America, and I look forward to Astonishing X-Men and New Avengers.
very true, it so much good old comics already out to get if you hate the new ones.
It has been years when i havn't bought a single new comic book but just old second hand comics (or to be true there are still millions with absolutly new comic books to buy that was made in the 80-90s).

[Expletive Deleted]

Anyone else annoyed with Marvel?If you have to ask . . .

[thik_3rd]

sure, there are plenty of malcontents around here who bitch about marvel in every post of theirs.

[Bashful Benjamin]

I enjoy my Marvels!
Just for the records...

[dazzler_slave]

I am annoyed with Marvel. They have arguably the best roster of characters and the most relatable universe in comics and they are wasting it.

They seem to feel the need to use a gimmick constantly to sell books. They have little respect or regard for longtime readers. They don't think that books need to be released on time. They are as much a slave to the writers now than they were to the artists in the 90's. Initially this seems like a good idea. Hey, if the writers are the stars then we will get top notch books right? Unfortunately, this worship of the writer has led to Ego Writing. Writers are now using titles as vanity projects and with no restraints they are overdoing their storytelling to astronomical degrees and the quality of the books suffer.

Many things have disillusioned me over the years: Disassembled, Gwen Stacy: Slut, Decimation, House of M, The Others, The Bendis-izing of all Marvel comics, and most importantly, the fact that Marvel (DC too) feels the need to kill characters left and right. Where is the magic and wonder in comics these days? Everything is do damn dire and dark. I am tired of losing characters I love to plot hole covering deaths or de-powering. This doesn't keep me on the edge of my seat anymore or make me intrigued. The more characters they kill the less invested I feel in the company because it's like graduating from highschool and then trying to go back to the old hangouts. All your friends are gone, so why bother? In the last two years, a first happened for me in the 21 years I have been reading comics: I now collect more DC and non-Big Two comics than Marvel. I was always a Marvel Zombie and the post 2000 years have robbed me of that status. I have such resentment towards Marvel. They have really let me down.

However, there is a bright side to this little rant. When I stop looking at Marvel as a whole, and look at specific titles, I can see some true classics in the making. There are some new writers emerging who respect the history of Marvel and have a great ability to create new and exciting stories while still respecting the classic Marvel Universe. Writers like Dan Slott, Robert Kirkman, Daniel Way, Brian Vaughn and heck, even Zeb Wells.

Titles like She-Hulk, Thunderbolts, X-Factor, Thing, Great Lakes Avengers, Defenders, Daughters of the Dragon, Runaways, Marvel Team Up and Sable & Fortune get it. They are true Classic Marvel but still feel fresh and new. Even some books that take the concept in a completely new direction are well done. Supreme Power being the prime example and IMO New Warriors (tho this one really polarizes readers).

Even tho my beloved heroes like the X-Men, the Avengers, Iron Man, Thor, Spider Man and the Fantastic Four are suffering, maybe there time is done. Maybe it is time for a new set of titles.

[Hombre]

I enjoy my Marvels!
Just for the records...

I did so for a lifetime but, I'm just suggesting that if they can avoid it, people'd better not get stuck in a habit that doesn't satisfy them anymore, and branch out, check out some Indie or get the Peanuts collections, you know.

Comics are a wonderful experience, but at some point you might very well find yourself asking if you really need to follow a character or a book or an entire line to the bitter end, when it doesn't speak to you or entertain you anymore at all.

[geordiesteve]

I think some of the big events are interesting, although I agree with the assessment that House of M was luke-warm, but perhaps what is more interesting is what comes after. I am annoyed by things changing quickly, or even every 6 months, and part of the problem is getting a creative time that works and has good sales, and then keeping them on a book for longer than 6 issues. Constantly changing the writer is perhaps the worst, yes the art can give it a different feel, but it's bearable if the brain behind it is the same. Bendis proved this with Daredevil, so even if you didn't like it, I respect the fact that he told a story for 5 years I think it was. Those 5 years are not going to be brushed under the carpet with a new shiny gold costume, for example.

I think Marvel have come out with some great ideas in the last few years, and there are some excellent titles out there, but for me, their biggest continuing mistake is changing the creative team far too often. Consistency. Consistency of the story telling angle, as each writer has a slightly different perspective. Consistency of their interpretation of the main character, their voice, their relationships, how they fit into the Marvel Universe etc. Build something up that will be remembered that adds to the mythology not ret-conned out as its inconvenient. If it were up to me, I would have a writer on minimum 1-2 years so 12-24 issues, obviously only if they were successful.

Gwen Stacy thing, bad baaaaad idea, Spider Totems and such, hmmm, still thinking on that. Pulse has been a poor weak copy of Alias, and is coming to a close soon I believe.

[90'sCartoonMan]

I am annoyed by Marvel's editorial attitude, certainly. Way too much hype, way too many "events", way too many storylines claiming that "everything will change forever" or "everything you thought you knew is wrong".

Couldn't have said it better myself. I don't remember the last Marvel "Event" I was looking forward to. Okay, House of M was fun for it's "What If" quality (especially enjoyed Spider-Man), but events seem like they're all hype and no substance or payoff. Maybe Marvel's Civil War would've gotten me excited five years ago, but not now.

Marvel does have some good titles, though, I look forward to anything by Dan Slott or Peter David. Brubaker's becoming a favorite of mine.

[Bashful Benjamin]

I did so for a lifetime but, I'm just suggesting that if they can avoid it, people'd better not get stuck in a habit that doesn't satisfy them anymore, and branch out, check out some Indie or get the Peanuts collections, you know.

Comics are a wonderful experience, but at some point you might very well find yourself asking if you really need to follow a character or a book or an entire line to the bitter end, when it doesn't speak to you or entertain you anymore at all.

That´s my point.
If you can´t enjoy it anymore then drop it and switch to others. If you keep buying, obviously it´s not as annoying as some people keep posting.
Of course there are many things that can be done better, always will be, but there´s also a lot of things done much worse in the past.

And I DID like HoM and I DO like New Avengers - another one for the records. :D

[agrich]

I'm not sure what you're complaining about that can be called a recent phenomenon.

Marvel has been overexposing Wolverine and Spider-man since the '80s. They've certainly been killing off characters only to bring them back in the future since that time, and there have been overhyped "events" since the orginal Secret War series, followed by the horrible Secret War II, and endless things like Onslaught, Heroes Reborn, Heroes Return, etc. I think they do such things because every once in a while they come up with something really good - Age of Apocalypse, for example.

I think Marvel has as many good books right now as they've had at any point over the past 15 years or so. Which isn't saying a lot perhaps, but this is hardly a low point...there's a lot more readable stuff now than there was for most of the '90s. In the mid-90s a lot of the core books like Spider-man, Daredevil, and Fantastic Four were (in my opinion) godawful, and you didn't even have anything like the Ultimate universe to give you good takes on these characters.

[Neolucifer]

hum no , i'm happy in fact . The only area often giving me grief are the x books anyway .. and things are looking bright in the enar future , at least for me .

[Valen]

It seems like Marvel hasn't been making any strong books lately.
This is true only if you exclude:
Runaways
Nextwave
Punisher
Supreme Power
New Avengers
Astonishing X-Men
Daredevil
The Ultimates
Ultimate Fantastic Four
Captain America

[The Shadow]

I think Marvel has tons of great books out there you just to find one that suits your taste. The books I enjoy are:

Daredevil
Punisher
Supreme Power
Thunderbolts
The Ultimates
Captain America
Hulk
Astonishing X-Men
Cable & Deadpool
X-Factor
Young Avengers

What Abyss said.

I would also add the new Fury limited Series, She-Hulk, Fantastic Four, and Ultimate Spider-Man.

There's plenty out there... drop some books and try some new ones.

[Citizen V]

Some could say that the statements are true,Marvel is lacking at some level or somewhere along the line.There also alot of hype,and not alot of action.Or they go back on their promesis,like "dead is dead" welcome back Hawkeye.Counting down until Ant-Man and Thor are back.

If your fed up,go to DC.I did,and i have not looked back.

There should be an offical Marvel bashing thread,there are so on a number of forums i go to.Including my own.

[agrich]

Yeah, I'm glad DC adheres to the whole "dead is dead" concept and didn't do anything to undo the Hal Jordan goes insane and kills the Green Lantern Corps storyline of a few years back.

[MakeshiftHero]

Thats what I'm talking about. In Marvel they have big "world changing events" only to be changed later on without giving it time. Not to mention anytime they have these "events" they always have tie in stories that are not good or they don't add to the main story arc that created them. Ex: HoM = HoM spiderman/hulk/ironman/FF i thought all of those stories were just horrible and they didnt add to the HoM story arc. And I bet the same will happen with Civil War, and I think it will be interesting how they do that and draw a line and have heros against other heros. But there's already two main books for Civil War not to mentiong all the tie ins or books that you pretty much have to get to beable to understand whats going on. This is going to happen only to change up in a number of months/years later. DC is different because they're doing their "world changing event" and running with it with the one year later concept which means they can't change what they have done to the characters and the story. I just wish Marvel would do something like that instead of having back to back to back "world changing stories" with bad tie in issues.

[agrich]

I was being sarcastic. DC changes things all the time, including bringing back Oliver Queen and Hal Jordan, among others, after killing them. How many Supergirls have there been?

The point is that companies "promising" that dead means dead are just being silly, and fans should realize it going in. How can anyone dictate what a writer can or can't do a year, five years, or ten years in the future? It's the same as it's always been, and even a mandate from the highest level of the company - like when Jim Shooter said that Jean Grey had to be actually and truly killed - only lasts as long as that guy is calling the shots anyway.

Enjoy the stories for what they are at the time you read them. Worrying about them being changed in the future is a waste of time, but moreover, it's not unique to Marvel, and it's certainly not a recent phenomenon.

[thik_3rd]

If your fed up,go to DC.I did,and i have not looked back.

yet...the majority of your posts are in marvel forums.
and loking through your posts further...quite a few of the ones in the dc forums, and the other forums are talking about marvel.

that's not looking back if you never left.

[Young Avenger]

Thats what I'm talking about. In Marvel they have big "world changing events" only to be changed later on without giving it time. Not to mention anytime they have these "events" they always have tie in stories that are not good or they don't add to the main story arc that created them. Ex: HoM = HoM spiderman/hulk/ironman/FF i thought all of those stories were just horrible and they didnt add to the HoM story arc.

I prefer it that way. I don't want to be forced to buy a book I'm not interested in so I can get the whole story. I liked that I didn't have to read HoM Spider-Man/Hulk/Iron Man etc, to know the whole story. Marvel gave me the option of avoiding the crossover if I wasn't interested. Sadly, DC hasn't given their fans the same option.

[BlackKnight]

I was being sarcastic. DC changes things all the time, including bringing back Oliver Queen and Hal Jordan, among others, after killing them. How many Supergirls have there been?

The point is that companies "promising" that dead means dead are just being silly, and fans should realize it going in. How can anyone dictate what a writer can or can't do a year, five years, or ten years in the future? It's the same as it's always been, and even a mandate from the highest level of the company - like when Jim Shooter said that Jean Grey had to be actually and truly killed - only lasts as long as that guy is calling the shots anyway.

Enjoy the stories for what they are at the time you read them. Worrying about them being changed in the future is a waste of time, but moreover, it's not unique to Marvel, and it's certainly not a recent phenomenon.

Can I ask a simple question, when did DC ever say that dead was dead like marvel has. Just wondering, since it is a big part of your post.

[agrich]

Not to mention anytime they have these "events" they always have tie in stories that are not good or they don't add to the main story arc that created them. Ex: HoM = HoM spiderman/hulk/ironman/FF i thought all of those stories were just horrible and they didnt add to the HoM story arc.

And yet you bought them all? If so, you probably should have stopped after the first, horrible issue. If not, how is this different from non-events? I mean, Marvel, DC, and pretty much any publisher you can think of has always published their share of horrible comics, and always will.


And I bet the same will happen with Civil War, and I think it will be interesting how they do that and draw a line and have heros against other heros. But there's already two main books for Civil War not to mentiong all the tie ins or books that you pretty much have to get to beable to understand whats going on.

This seems to contradict your first complaint. First you say the tie-ins don't add anything, now you say that you have to get them in order to understand what's going on. Which bothers you more?

[ultimatespyder20]

Not rly, There are good books out there like New Avengers, Wolverine, Amazing Spidey, Ultimate Spider-man, and the Moonknight title coming in April looks good.

[agrich]

Can I ask a simple question, when did DC ever say that dead was dead like marvel has. Just wondering, since it is a big part of your post.

I actually didn't know that Marvel ever said that, but as I said, if they had, I'd have ignored it, because it would be silly, and totally unenforceable in the future, once new management or creators come around. Why would anyone ever think Hawkeye would stay dead? Almost nobody stays dead in comics, and almost nobody ever will.

If your point is that it's bad when Marvel brings back dead characters if they said they wouldn't, but it's not that bad when DC brings back dead characters because they never officially stated they wouldn't, I disagree. Lots of comic readers pay no attention to whatever press releases come out of either company or care about interviews with Quesada or whatever.

Citizen V's post specifically ripped Marvel for "going back on their promises" and bringing back dead characters, and said he's gone to DC because of it. I just don't see DC as being any better for not formally stating that they'd never erase a storyline like Hal Jordan going insane, if they did it anyway.

[Cephus]

Yeah, I'm very annoyed with Marvel for a lot of the same reasons that have been brought up. I was doing my Previews order last night and realized I hadn't updated my pull list in a while, so I pulled out all the old pull lists for the past year or so. It's amazing how small it's getting, my wife and I have been dropping comics left and right. There was a time when it covered both sides of a 3x5 index card, now it's hardly two columns long. Tonight I'm going to be re-writing it and turning it in tomorrow and it'll be even shorter. More Marvel bites the dust.

I can't go to DC, I really dislike the whole "iconic" feel of the DCU. It's pointless to go read Essentials, I was around to read most of the comics first-run and still have most of them. Most indies I've read really aren't any better. Only comics like Astro City, Supreme Power and The Authority (and a couple others that never seem to stick around) really entertain me these days, everything else is four-color superheroes that I'm getting very bored with.

[thik_3rd]

seriously, if some of ya'll are always as unhappy with everything as you come across, maybe it's time to think about just giving up on comics.
Not rly, There are good books out there like New Avengers, Wolverine, Amazing Spidey, Ultimate Spider-man, and the Moonknight title coming in April looks good.
funny, i would've listed most of those as some of the worst books marvel puts out.

[MakeshiftHero]

And yet you bought them all? If so, you probably should have stopped after the first, horrible issue.

This seems to contradict your first complaint. First you say the tie-ins don't add anything, now you say that you have to get them in order to understand what's going on. Which bothers you more?

I did stop at the 1st issues that i bought and then just heard about them from a friend who read the rest of them. I didn't buy all of the issues to the tie-ins.


The tie-ins for HoM didn't add to the story so those tie-ins are unnecessary to have in order to follow the main HoM story arc. While the issues for amazing spider-man that will be coming out starting this month will actualy lead up to the start of Civil War. They (to me) are different types of tie-ins where the HoM/Decimation spin off issues were mainly "look at me i've got the HoM/Decimation logo on me i'm the "big" thing to read from marvel come buy me" And I dont mean to just bash those because I highly enjoy X-Factor and Deadly Genesis. But to me I think that the main reason behind all of that was to try to make Marvel money. As for the pre Civil War issues that are starting with spiderman i dont see a problem with that, same with the 2 different books that will cover Civil War since it will probably be based on the 2 different sides that the heros will take and they will have 2 different stories to tell.

[Neolucifer]

seriously, if some of ya'll are always as unhappy with everything as you come across, maybe it's time to think about just giving up on comics.

Dont bother , even if them dropping Marvel books completely was true , some will still come to complain , even about handbooks , even ask an official bashing marvel (god knows why ...when their "hatred" is still well spread among the whole Marvel community , and would probably still spread around)

I dont actually even mind the bitching ... we dont need a brainwashed and ever happy community , but i cant help but smile and find funny some claims of dropping everything Marvel , when months later some of these people are still around and caring enough to usher the same threats :p

[Lurker]

Only comics like Astro City, Supreme Power and The Authority (and a couple others that never seem to stick around) really entertain me these days

I'd like to expand upon that a little.

It seems the really good comics rarely ever come out. How issues of Supreme Power dropped last year. Five, I believe not counting the spin off minis which were/are far inferior to the orginal, even the Hyperion one written by JMS, who wrote the "flagship" title. Same with Ultimates, which is essentially Marvel Superheroes with an "Authoritive" sensibility.

The Marvel titles I'm recommend are Punisher, She-Hulk and Ultimates 2, when it comes out.

[Citizen V]

yet...the majority of your posts are in marvel forums.
and loking through your posts further...quite a few of the ones in the dc forums, and the other forums are talking about marvel.

that's not looking back if you never left.

I know,for many.Marvel is still a great comic company,dispite Bendis and Joe Q.Its still the house that Stan built,ill always keep an eye out for them.Others do also,this may be the reason why Marvel is still in bussiness.

If your looking at my post tally.Check out my signatures.

[agrich]

But to me I think that the main reason behind all of that was to try to make Marvel money.

I know this sounds cynical, but the main reason behind almost EVERYTHING Marvel publishes is to make money. BUT, the best way to make money consistently is to produce comics that people want to read. In the short term you can trick people into buying bad comic books for a little while, but that won't last. If you're not telling good stories with good writing and art, people will tune out the events and the tie-ins. So in order to keep making money, it's ultimately in Marvel's (and the fans') best interest for them to try to tell good stories.

I think the thing to keep in mind is that you don't really have to buy ANY of this stuff. If you don't read Avengers or X-men titles, most of the events of House of M didn't really matter. And even if you DO read those things, you could have skipped all the House of M books and read a two-sentence synopsis of what happened and been pretty much up to speed with everyone else. And it will probably be the same with Civil War. If you don't read any of the affected books, it's not like when it's all over you won't know what's going on in any of the comics you read. There will be lots of recaps, explanations, and summaries you can get refreshed with. You don't "have" to buy anything.

[Violently Apathetic]

Not really, I find getting annoyed a waste of energy. A book isn't entertaining me or I feel they're taking it in the wrong direction? I drop it and pick something else up. So long as I have my Runaways, YA, Captain America and Ultimate titles I'm all set.

Frankly DC runs the risk of annoying me more with their 'DOOM, CRISIS, BUY ALL OUR TIE-INS!' crap.

[The Shadow]

I prefer it that way. I don't want to be forced to buy a book I'm not interested in so I can get the whole story. I liked that I didn't have to read HoM Spider-Man/Hulk/Iron Man etc, to know the whole story. Marvel gave me the option of avoiding the crossover if I wasn't interested. Sadly, DC hasn't given their fans the same option.
I agree.

I'll take Marvel's way over DC's anyday.
The HoM tie in's added to the overall story but weren't necessary reading.
Some were great, good and bad... but it was my CHOICE to read them.

[The Shadow]

I did stop at the 1st issues that i bought and then just heard about them from a friend who read the rest of them. I didn't buy all of the issues to the tie-ins.
So... you didn't actually READ them? Yu're basing your opinions on what other people told you? :rolleyes:

I generally like and dislike a lot of what my friends like... but I AM an individual with my own mind... and sometimes I like stuff my friends don't (and vice versa).

The point? Read it before you bash it... otherwise you just come off as petty, small, uninformed and sad.

[Capt Hunter]

Annoyed with Marvel... absolutely... I really can't stand Joe Quesada... He is so arrogant and doesn't have any sensabilities in the story telling... If only Mark Gruenwald were alive today...

Marvel has gotten better in the last year or so... It really has. I see continuity at Marvel start to really surface again...

But in overall quality product, DC is seriously kicking their ass....

[Dennis K]

I happen to think Captain America is as good as any book out there at the moment.

[MakeshiftHero]

Hahaha, wow you're trying to insult me through a comic book forum, to me thats "petty, small...and sad." I'm sorry but what do you care if i read all 4 issues of the Hulk HoM mini series or just read 2 of them and read the reviews of it and heard about what happened from my friend. I didnt feel the need to read the other 2 issues cause what i previously read i didnt like. I don't know if you're trying to impress the other people that post and read these or maybe you had a bad day cause something didn't go your way. Or maybe you just have some sand up in your vagina. There are many posts on this that have said "if you dont like whats going on drop the book" So why don't you take your problems with the way people live their life up with them 1st. By the way they're Fking comic books. If I were you (and I'm sure as hell glad I'm not) I'd be more worried about how you're future job is going to work out or not instead of wasting time insulting people over a shitty comic. Now I'm going to go and let you get back to your crap hole life so I hope you try to have a decent day which might be a stretch for ya but let's all hope that you manage.

[Jake V]

In the future, use the quote function so people know who you're talking to.

[MakeshiftHero]

thanks i'll try to remember that one, I'm glad not everyone that posts on these have their head up their ass

[The Shadow]

Hahaha, wow you're trying to insult me through a comic book forum, to me thats "petty, small...and sad." I'm sorry but what do you care if i read all 4 issues of the Hulk HoM mini series or just read 2 of them and read the reviews of it and heard about what happened from my friend. I didnt feel the need to read the other 2 issues cause what i previously read i didnt like. I don't know if you're trying to impress the other people that post and read these or maybe you had a bad day cause something didn't go your way. Or maybe you just have some sand up in your vagina. There are many posts on this that have said "if you dont like whats going on drop the book" So why don't you take your problems with the way people live their life up with them 1st. By the way they're Fking comic books. If I were you (and I'm sure as hell glad I'm not) I'd be more worried about how you're future job is going to work out or not instead of wasting time insulting people over a shitty comic. Now I'm going to go and let you get back to your crap hole life so I hope you try to have a decent day which might be a stretch for ya but let's all hope that you manage.
LOL

Touched a nerve did I?

You come off as an uninformed nitwit if you base your opinions on what other people think. It ain't rocket science.

If I had listened to every reviewer I would have HATED Undeworld... but I saw it and rather enjoyed it.

wow you're trying to insult me through a comic book forum, to me thats "petty, small...and sad."
This got me laughing too... you accuse me of this... then proceed to insult me through a comic book forum!

Say it with me now... "I'm a H Y P O C R I T E " :rolleyes:

[The Shadow]

thanks i'll try to remember that one, I'm glad not everyone that posts on these have their head up their ass
I think I see a banning! :cool:

[Hombre]

Or maybe you just have some sand up in your vagina.

Yea, Saskatchewan is lovely in February, but that Shadows sure spends too much time on the beach for his own good.

[Sharcque]

Hahaha, wow you're trying to insult me through a comic book forum, to me thats "petty, small...and sad." I'm sorry but what do you care if i read all 4 issues of the Hulk HoM mini series or just read 2 of them and read the reviews of it and heard about what happened from my friend. I didnt feel the need to read the other 2 issues cause what i previously read i didnt like. I don't know if you're trying to impress the other people that post and read these or maybe you had a bad day cause something didn't go your way. Or maybe you just have some sand up in your vagina. There are many posts on this that have said "if you dont like whats going on drop the book" So why don't you take your problems with the way people live their life up with them 1st. By the way they're Fking comic books. If I were you (and I'm sure as hell glad I'm not) I'd be more worried about how you're future job is going to work out or not instead of wasting time insulting people over a shitty comic. Now I'm going to go and let you get back to your crap hole life so I hope you try to have a decent day which might be a stretch for ya but let's all hope that you manage.
Whoa! Classic meltdown! http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a217/sharcque/lachen70.gif

[Lurch]

LOL

Touched a nerve did I?

You come off as an uninformed nitwit if you base your opinions on what other people think. It ain't rocket science.

If I had listened to every reviewer I would have HATED Undeworld... but I saw it and rather enjoyed it.

This got me laughing too... you accuse me of this... then proceed to insult me through a comic book forum!

Say it with me now... "I'm a H Y P O C R I T E " :rolleyes:

Bravo. Whatever trips your trigger, I say. I know a lot of people that despise Peter Bagge's work, but I love it with a passion. The reason I like this forum so much as opposed to others is that the maturity level seems pretty high. No hazing of newbies, not much spam, and just good folks that enjoy spirited discussions of comic books. Too bad it degenerates to the previous post now and then.

Back on topic, I frankly think that Marvel truly has been inferior as of late. I'm really enjoying The New Avengers, Secret Wars 2 was phenomenal, and JMS has his hit's and misses. Millar is good, but if you've read his Authority titles, it's kind of the same ol' same ol'. On the other hand they have Waren Ellis, who must be a complete lunatic. Something about his style makes me want to read his books over and over again.

Yo! Quesada! when are you going to but Bendis on ASM? He's the only guy in your funhouse that truly knows how to write clever Spidey dialog. Takes me back to the Stan Lee days...

[Cephus]

It seems the really good comics rarely ever come out. How issues of Supreme Power dropped last year. Five, I believe not counting the spin off minis which were/are far inferior to the orginal, even the Hyperion one written by JMS, who wrote the "flagship" title. Same with Ultimates, which is essentially Marvel Superheroes with an "Authoritive" sensibility.

I agree with you. I really think the Supreme Power minis were utter crap, but at least I learned my lesson on the non-JMS ones, although, as you said, the Hyperion mini wasn't that great. It's sort of like JMS' Rising Stars. The series was good, but all the minis are utter crap.

I think the biggest problem is that I'm burned out on "heroic" superheroes. I want characters that act like real people, I want flaws and moral dilemmas and people coming up with rational reasons to do what they do beyond "I'm a good guy".

[The Shadow]

Yea, Saskatchewan is lovely in February, but that Shadows sure spends too much time on the beach for his own good.
LMAO

:D :D

The beaches here in February are AMAZING! It's almost like being in Jamaca!

[Violently Apathetic]

Is Shadow teasing the n00bs? Bad, Shadow, bad! You're going to ruin the stereotype of polite Canadians. Only I'm allowed to shatter that illusion with endless snark....

I can't stay mad at Marvel, it's like an abusive relationship. Marvel slaps me around and insults my intelligence but I keep comming back because I remember the good times and how it makes me laugh with comics like the Runaways....Marvel loves and respects me as a reader, it really does. Why must people judge our love?