Lawyers killed the AMV

[CrossoverManiac]

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/d55dfe52-77d2-11da-9670-0000779e2340.html. Now thanks to Wind Up Records, thousands of AMV's, the accumulated work of hundreds of thousands of hours of editting anime footage to song; these labors of love are destroyed in a day's time. Just go to animemusicvideo.org and look for any AMV by Evanescence or Seether or any of the other bands owned by Wind Up and you won't find a single one at animemusicvideo.org. I'm furious. A little bit with myself for not appreciating Evanescence AMV's all because they were done to death (now they're not done at all). The rest of my vile hatred is directed at Wind Up. But this is only the beginning. The RIAA will, predictably, attempt to stamp out AMV's and soon, AMV's will be dead and gone. So, download your AMV's while you can before the copyright Nazis come looking to destroy your AMV's. I believe it's time anime fans and music fans in general boycott these parasites; these bottom dwellers. They need us more than we need them. Now, let's dump them in the shithole where they belong.

[Green Gardner]

You, my friend are a prophet. A prince among men, counselling us to take care before it's too late. Never mind that I'm fucking drunk. Dude, you rock.

[MKTerra]

I wish I could say I was surprised :mad: Once again, Big Media's obsession with control leads it to compulsively f*** over its fan base :rolleyes:

[CrossoverManiac]

I wish I could say I was surprised :mad: Once again, Big Media's obsession with control leads it to compulsively f*** over its fan base :rolleyes:

The anal raping has only just begun. Unless there is some big changes going on, the RIAA is going to sic their fangs into this and then there won't be anymore AMV's ever.

[Adrian Tullberg]

Perhaps the bigger fan bases might sede from corporate ownership?

[heretic]

Rather depressing/pointless. Honestly, how much money are these bands theoretically losing?

Come to think of it, how much is the record company in question losing for that matter. I understand the principle of intellectual property, but a lot of this comes off as petty/paranoid to me.

HTG

[Crinos]

I just hope this doesnt spill over into fanfics, thats where most of my work goes into.

[The Adventurer]

Maybe they shouldn't have stolen the music in the first place? Then they wouldn't have risked ultimately wasting their time.


That's the risk you take when you work on fan projects. The Owners have the ultimate say.

[SAMAS]

Did it ever occur to you that maybe, just maybe, the people making the videos actually bought their music?

[Lightbend]

In general, the better AMV makers take the music from CDs they own-it's a better quality sound than using it off of a ripped MP3, or even an Itunes/Napster MP3.

[Adam Crocker]

Maybe they shouldn't have stolen the music in the first place?

That's a big assumption about where AMV makers are getting their music from though, and one that you have yet to substantiate unless you mean ripping music and placing it to a video file, but I'll get to that in a minute...


That's the risk you take when you work on fan projects. The Owners have the ultimate say.

Hm, I suppose. Personally I have minimal interest in AMVs at best.

Yet I also fail to see how AMVs harming either the musicians or the label, or even the companies liscensing the anime. When downloading MP3s or videos for free from file-sharing networks the problem comes from obtaining a product that otherwise been paid for had it been purchased thus depriving said parties of income. With AMVs the music isn't being passed around for listening in audio files, but is part of video file meant to be watched. As near as I can tell it doesn't serve the same purpose or provide the same disincentive to purchasing a CD as downloading am MP3 from Kazaa will. Same applies to anime since these videos are an collage of images from the video arranged to suit whatever theme that the person editing it together has chosen. It's not really a substitute for watching the series or movie in question itself. In fact the person watching the video probably already has an interest in the series in question as well as the music. (A good part of why I don't have much interest in them, because I think the musical selection sucks.)

I'm actually pretty puzzled as to why any company would bother taking legal action at was is an activity enjoyed by a relatively small group of enthusiasts, especially since there is no money in this. It's pretty much a personal use activity that doesn't really impinge on the consumption of music CDs or anime DVDs, but serves this odd little niche. This seems like a strange thing to target and really doesn't seem to serve much purpose in deterring activities like actual downloading of MP3 files.

[samuraizero]

p2p networks ftw

[Uratoh]

BAH

I actually bought the Daredevil soundtrack after I watched the KOS-MOS 'bring me to life' video.

Denies profits my ass.

[CrossoverManiac]

BAH

I actually bought the Daredevil soundtrack after I watched the KOS-MOS 'bring me to life' video.

Denies profits my ass.

I certainly will deny Fuck Up Records their profits. For now on, I'm buying records from those artists from the local pawn shop where they won't see a dime of that money.

[Chevan]

I certainly will deny Fuck Up Records their profits. For now on, I'm buying records from those artists from the local pawn shop where they won't see a dime of that money.

You may be denying the record label the profit they get from each CD, but you're also taking away the small amount of money that actually makes it to the artists.

What I recommend is finding the mailing address of the band itself, and send them a money order or something.

[The Xenos]

Funny. I have found that downloading AMVs from new bands actually has gotten me buying more CDs. They really are killing free publicity if record companies go after AMVs.

[Birdcat]

The only thing to do, is to boycott the music industry. Don't buy anything from them. What do I care if a bunch of musicians don't make as much money as they did before? Whoop-de-freaking-do. As if they're not rich already. Its bad enough how our country is run by Hollywood.

[MKTerra]

In tangentially-related news, newspapers are b****ing (http://today.reuters.com/business/newsArticle.aspx?type=ousiv&storyID=2006-01-31T193439Z_01_L31724094_RTRIDST_0_BUSINESSPRO-MEDIA-NEWSPAPERS-GOOGLE-DC.XML) about Google News providing thumbnails and article snippets when linking to them.
The Paris-based World Association of Newspapers, whose members include dozens of national newspaper trade bodies, said it is exploring ways to "challenge the exploitation of content by search engines without fair compensation to copyright owners."

Web sites like Google and its specialized Google News service automatically pull in headlines, photos and short excerpts of articles from thousands of news sources, linking back to the publishers' own site. Google News does not currently carry advertising.

"They're building a new medium on the backs of our industry, without paying for any of the content," Ali Rahnema, managing director of the association, told Reuters in an interview.Once again, greed rears its ugly head...

[Crinos]

The only thing to do, is to boycott the music industry. Don't buy anything from them. What do I care if a bunch of musicians don't make as much money as they did before? Whoop-de-freaking-do. As if they're not rich already. Its bad enough how our country is run by Hollywood.

The problem is that its not the big wig music company execs or the bands that lose the money.

Its the guys that work behind the scenes that take the hits:

The guys who record the music, the writers, and the other 9 to 5 shlubs who do all the real work to get a record made.

I fully agree that banning AMV's is a bitch move. But the whole file sharing contoversy isnt as black and white as "The record companies and musicians are greedy shits."

[Adrian Tullberg]

How to cut out the corporate middleman ...

[pinguino]

knew that'd happen eventually. :/ stupid execs dont realize that things like AMVs are really free marketing for them. I dont think it'll stop people from making them.. just severely limits what can be posted on big sites and shown at conventions. I know some smaller conventions didn't like the idea of doin AMVs from the legal aspect.

[Chevan]

The only thing to do, is to boycott the music industry. Don't buy anything from them. What do I care if a bunch of musicians don't make as much money as they did before? Whoop-de-freaking-do. As if they're not rich already. Its bad enough how our country is run by Hollywood.

One thing to remember is that it wasn't the artists that acted, it's Wind Up records. Evanescence didn't pull their music, Seether didn't pull their music; Wind Up's trying to protect their interests by pulling the music.

I agree, barring amateur movie makers from using their music was a bad decision, but let's not hurt the bands for something they didn't even do.

[The Xenos]

Fine. But I'm still angry Amy Lee wouldn't marry me. WHY MUST YOU PUT UP THAT RESTRAINING ORDER! EVEN IN DEATH OUR LOVE GOES ON!

kidding...

[TheDarkestHorse]

That pisses me off...I don't put my AMVs on the net anyway, but where will I get the raw materials? Does anyone really play the video every time they wanna hear a song? No, they still buy the album or the mp3. Free advertising. It's just stupid.

[Zeta]

Oh no! Now I won't be able to watch clips of Gash Bell set to Linkin Park! ;_;

[CrossoverManiac]

Sarcasm aside, it only affects songs performed by bands signed with Wind Up Records...for the time being.