Brokeback Mountain

[Lester C.]

Would you recommend this movie to a friend? What works in this movie and what doesn’t work?

I have watch this movie as part of my methods of critical thinking course. I am curious what you guys thought about the movie as it relates to the two questions. If your opinion makes it into my paper I will of course attribute your quote properly and don’t have much of a choice given the fact that if you google my name it takes you right to CBR.

[Lester C.]

Wrost movie ever! It was a totally implausible piece of garbage. No one waste your time seeing this thing.

[Cam63]

I haven't seen it yet.

[Lester C.]

I haven't seen it yet.
Good. Don’t.

[the4thpip]

It hasn't started playing here yet, but all my friends in the US who went to see it loved it. They say they wanna get the DVD and watch it over and over.

[Lester C.]

It hasn't started playing here yet, but all my friends in the US who went to see it loved it. They say they wanna get the DVD and watch it over and over.

Anyone that seen a commercial or viewed the trailer knows that the core concept of this movie is two straight men falling in love and beginning a sexual relationship. I don’t know if a person is born straight or gay but I do know that at a very young age that a person’s sexuality is hardwired into him or her and there is no changing it. I’m attracted to women and am a heterosexual but it’s not something I’m proud or ashamed of. It’s just the way I am and the way I’ve always been. I suspect the same for gays as well which is why I’m pro gay civil rights because hating someone for their sexuality is like hating someone because they have blue eyes or white skin. I can go in a list of many other reasons why I hated Brokeback mountain but but I don't want to ruin the movie for you Pip.

[west3man]

Anyone that seen a commercial or viewed the trailer knows that the core concept of this movie is two straight men falling in love and beginning a sexual relationship.I never saw a commercial or viewed the trailer, so I didn't know before I saw the movie, last night.

I'm kinda glad I didn't know.

I don’t know if a person is born straight or gay but I do know that at a very young age that a person’s sexuality is hardwired into him or her and there is no changing it. I’m attracted to women and am a heterosexual but it’s not something I’m proud or ashamed of. It’s just the way I am and the way I’ve always been. I suspect the same for gays as well which is why I’m pro gay civil rights because hating someone for their sexuality is like hating someone because they have blue eyes or white skin. I can go in a list of many other reasons why I hated Brokeback mountain but but I don't want to ruin the movie for you Pip.Lester, what if they're bisexual? Who's to say THAT's not "hard-wired" into them?

I don't think it's implausible for the reasons you've given.

I'm gonna start a Brokeback thread with a spoiler-warning, so we can get into specifics.

[the4thpip]

A friend of mine was raised in a very strict Southern Baptist family in the US. He had 2 wives and 5 kids until he finally figured out (in therapy) why he was so depressed all the time. He's been living with a man for 10 years now and is finally at peace with himself. Husbands leave their wives for men all the time. And wives leave their husbands for women.
So what is implausible in BbM?

[Lester C.]

A friend of mine was raised in a very strict Southern Baptist family in the US. He had 2 wives and 5 kids until he finally figured out (in therapy) why he was so depressed all the time. He's been living with a man for 10 years now and is finally at peace with himself. Husbands leave their wives for men all the time. And wives leave their husbands for women.
So what is implausible in BbM?

Pip whether your gay or straight you know what you are. You might try to deny your sexuality and maybe after a time you come to believe it but you just don’t turn gay one summer and stay that way.

As for your friend there is no way I can speculate what his origins are but it is impossible he always knew he was gay but his strict family life he was forced to, at a very young age, deny what he was until he believed his lie. Sadly you just don’t change your sexual orientation so he was never happy even though he belied the lie he kept telling himself and his family. Either way I’m truly glad that he has found peace and happiness and its my hope that he and his wife were able to come to an accord on how to raise the 5 children.

[west3man]

Pip whether your gay or straight you know what you are. You might try to deny your sexuality and maybe after a time you come to believe it but you just don’t turn gay one summer and stay that way. Interesting that you say that, considering what we've been suggesting to you.

I'm not going to get into whether the person knew all along, on a concious level, but they definitely could be trying to deny it.

[Corrina]

Lester, if it's one thing I'm sure of in regards to people's psychology, it's that 'impossible' isn't a word one should use, nor should one use absolutes to dismiss something that may be highly improbable but still true.

[Lester C.]

Interesting that you say that, considering what we've been suggesting to you.

I'm not going to get into whether the person knew all along, on a concious level, but they definitely could be trying to deny it.

I’m not trying to be combative or in any way hostile. I admit that as a straight man the only way I can relate to gays is using my own sexuality and applying in reverse. This is why I’m pro gay civil rights because when I apply all the augments used to condemn homosexuality to myself they all fall apart. Anyway let’s just agree to disagree and leave it at that. I think it’s obvious that we feel what we feel and minds aren’t going to get changed so the only thing that continuing to discuss this issue is going to lead is yelling and who need that?

[Noah Johnson]

I think it’s obvious that we feel what we feel and minds aren’t going to get changed so the only thing that continuing to discuss this issue is going to lead is yelling and who need that?
MAYBE I NEED YELLING! YOU EVER THINK OF THAT, JERK?

[the4thpip]

I just think that in the future, you might reconsider making absolute statements about people other than yourself. It's not appealing, nor is it promising debating.

Apart from that, we're cool.

[west3man]

I’m not trying to be combative or in any way hostile. I admit that as a straight man the only way I can relate to gays is using my own sexuality and applying in reverse. This is why I’m pro gay civil rights because when I apply all the augments used to condemn homosexuality to myself they all fall apart. Anyway let’s just agree to disagree and leave it at that. I think it’s obvious that we feel what we feel and minds aren’t going to get changed so the only thing that continuing to discuss this issue is going to lead is yelling and who need that?
I'm not pissed. Are you?

If not, I see no real yelling potential. I'll tell you where I disagree and I'll also tell you, or anyone else, where your own reasoning falls apart/contradicts itself. Feel free to do the same to me.

My main issue with your suggestions is that you, like a lot of people really, present them in such binary ways. If there's little chance of nothing, you present it as no chance and if there's a high chance, then that's what it is and only ONE of THESE TWO things could be the truth.

Life is a bit more complex than that.

Nothing wrong with starting from one's own frame of reference, but consider what that frame of reference lacks... like the majority of society putting immense pressure on you to conform to their view of sexuality, despite your own very different views.

[ww3838]

First off, I think the book is better than the movie. So I didn't think the movie was as good, but very good overall.

I guess I would recommend it to friends. Depends on the friends.

I think the movie is more about how miserable two people are willing to be in thier lives in order to keep a secret then it is this great "love story" as some reviewers are saying. Ennis and Jack would like to be together, but can't be because the fears of Ennis is more powerful than his love for Jack. They rip apart a lot of people by not being honest and it's a very depressing and sad movie to get through. But it is a good movie.

[Steel Spider]

I haven't watched Brokeback Mountain and I doubt I will. I'm not that interested in romance movies, gay or straight.

I have nothing against homosexuality, however. I openly support gay people. I believe in God but the Catholic church and it's hypocrisy means I no longer give a damn about the Pope's views. He tells everyone to love and treat one another with respect but then he calls all homosexuals sinners and that they are effectively going to hell. Please, I have better things to do than listen to a bunch of hypocrites.

[Lester C.]

I think the movie is more about how miserable two people are willing to be in thier lives in order to keep a secret then it is this great "love story" as some reviewers are saying. Ennis and Jack would like to be together, but can't be because the fears of Ennis is more powerful than his love for Jack. They rip apart a lot of people by not being honest and it's a very depressing and sad movie to get through. But it is a good movie.

This paragraph caused me to retype a significant portion of my paper but it a much better read now so I’m grateful for you posting