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Dry Observer
01-27-2006, 12:22 AM
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Nearly 80% of the homes in South Korea have high-speed, always-on broadband connections to the Internet. What could they possibly use all that bandwidth for? Well, among other things, controlling the security and military robots they intend for widespread use by the 2010s.

As noted in this article (http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/200601/kt2006011617112710160.htm) in The Korea Times:

When completed, the outdoor security robots will be able to make their night watch rounds and even chase criminals, according to Lee.

The government also seeks to build combat robots. They will take the shape of a dog or a horse, with six or eight legs or wheels.

Toward that end, the Ministry of Information and Communication (MIC) and the Defense Ministry will combine to channel a total of 33.4 billion won ($33.9 million) through 2011.

``The robots will be directed by a remote control system or move autonomously via their own artificial intelligence systems,'' MIC project manager Oh Sang-rok said.

``The two sophisticated robots will be empowered by the country's state-of-the-art mobile network, thus enabling mass production at an affordable price,'' Oh noted.

Smart robots need three basic functions of sensing, processing and action. Thus far, robotics researchers have tried to cram the three into a single dummy, causing expenses to soar.

Instead, the planned robots will be receiving most sensing and processing capabilities via a Web connection. Only the ability of movement will be located in the robot.

All right, I've scoffed, however mildly (http://futureimperative.blogspot.com/2006/01/facing-robot-menace-ai-bio-cyber-soc.html), at the idea of 50s SF-style legions of robotic shock troops in the past. And I still don't think a corny B-movie AI takeover is in the offing. But given a very serious push in the Pentagon to replace pilots on dangerous, long-range bombing missions (and perhaps ultimately all strike missions) (http://www.afa.org/magazine/june2005/0605bomber.asp), we could end up with some very formidable military forces that are controlled entirely by robots.

Assuming there are still humans securely in the decision-making loop, this still may not be a critical concern. After all, our most powerful weapons, ICBMs and SLBMs, have been controlled by robotic guidance systems for as long as they've existed. So long as we (and the Soviets, Chinese, British, French and Israelis) controlled those programs, it wasn't the robots we were worried about.

And honestly, it's still human decisions about warfare and terrorism that bother me, not what the coffee machine may be plotting. But it is curious to see how much of our life has been automated in recent years... even tasks many thought could never be done without humans.

And it's also important to remember, even if we're not going to be overthrown by random tankbots or bombsniffing security programs, we're still going to have to secure all this infrastructure and make sure we can keep control when hackers and saboteurs decide to disrupt it. Honestly, I'm not so much worried about robotic aircraft going berserk on us (see Stealth (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000B8IA44/futureimperat-20?creative=327641&camp=14573&link_code=as1)) as I am seeing nations becoming dependent on remote-controlled aircraft in an era of radio communications. Until you have quantum entanglement communications (or something else that beats light speed and can't be physically disrupted) you'll always be vulnerable to someone with a big enough jammer. And if jamming your signal is the only way to stop your invincible Air Force, believe me, the bad guys'll have a big enough jammer.

Still, the idea that more robots may end up dying in our next war than people isn't necessarily that disturbing. What is disturbing is the question: With the technology we're developing now, for how much longer will war between nations be feasible, or even survivable?

Ralph

Magneto_X
01-27-2006, 01:06 AM
Kill Skynet quick!

Buzz Dixon
01-27-2006, 01:09 AM
A possible outcome could be more wars, but fought entirely by machines in open territory such as the seas, deserts, tundras, etc. Nationalism could return at a fever pitch, with each nation pouring tons of time, effort, and money into creating better and better fighting machines, all of which would duke it out in empty terrain pretty much for bragging rights.

Magneto_X
01-27-2006, 01:50 AM
A possible outcome could be more wars, but fought entirely by machines in open territory such as the seas, deserts, tundras, etc. Nationalism could return at a fever pitch, with each nation pouring tons of time, effort, and money into creating better and better fighting machines, all of which would duke it out in empty terrain pretty much for bragging rights.

Kind of like how the Cylons began on the new Battlestar Galactica.

MPagar
01-27-2006, 02:36 AM
Sadly enough, with my love of all things robot related, I'd be cheering on a robotic war right until they decided to turn on their human creators.

Jeff Brady
01-27-2006, 03:38 AM
Sadly enough, with my love of all things robot related, I'd be cheering on a robotic war right until they decided to turn on their human creators.

Then we'll be stuck in the Matrix, and we all know how shitty that turned out to be.

MPagar
01-27-2006, 04:18 AM
Then we'll be stuck in the Matrix, and we all know how shitty that turned out to be.

The movies or the scenario they lived under? Well, true on both accounts. :P

Steel Spider
01-27-2006, 05:14 AM
If giant mechs want to enslave the Earth then I'm all for it.

TheSaltedSuperman
01-27-2006, 05:23 AM
At least they're only robots. If there were an army of ninjas we'd be proper funked.

Steel Spider
01-27-2006, 06:09 AM
If they were an army of robotic ninja's, we'd definitely be screwed.

jimmything2681
01-27-2006, 06:19 AM
THEY'RE COMING TO EAT OUR PRESCRIPTION DRUGS!

AND JIM CRAMER IS THE FIRST WAVE! (http://www.yourmomsbasement.com/archives/2006/01/amad_moneyasa_j.html)

Steel Spider
01-27-2006, 06:33 AM
THEY'RE COMING TO EAT OUR PRESCRIPTION DRUGS!

AND JIM CRAMER IS THE FIRST WAVE! (http://www.yourmomsbasement.com/archives/2006/01/amad_moneyasa_j.html)

Yeah, but we still have our black market drugs stored safely.

titanfan
01-27-2006, 02:41 PM
A possible outcome could be more wars, but fought entirely by machines in open territory such as the seas, deserts, tundras, etc. Nationalism could return at a fever pitch, with each nation pouring tons of time, effort, and money into creating better and better fighting machines, all of which would duke it out in empty terrain pretty much for bragging rights.

An all-machine army could be easily defeated by an E.M. Pulse. I do think that in the future, wars will be fought my computer, especially as we start adding computer intelligence to do everything for us. Terrorist will be able to commit crimes from a remote server and not even set foot in the US.

Dry Observer
01-28-2006, 01:15 AM
An all-machine army could be easily defeated by an E.M. Pulse. I do think that in the future, wars will be fought my computer, especially as we start adding computer intelligence to do everything for us. Terrorist will be able to commit crimes from a remote server and not even set foot in the US.

Most electronics-dependent military equipment is shielded against EMP radiation. A simple Faraday cage will suffice.

Your point is well-taken, though. An EMP generator or just a huge jammer could be used to cut off remote controlled vehicles from their controllers, either rendering them useless in some situations or even making them vulnerable to subversion or critical logic errors.

As to your point about cyber-terrorism, it's already prevalent. Advisors to the Chinese military have already recommended it as a method of "asymmetrical warfare" (as it's called in American military jargon) for use against a conventional superpower. The Pentagon and other U.S. military sites are apparently being assailed by hackers all the time, making it difficult to determine who is merely a hobbyist, who is a criminal/subversive/anarchist hacker, and who might be an agent of a foreign power or a terrorist.

So your latter prediction has, to some degree, already come true. Incidentally, my favorite kind of prophecy... =)

Ralph

titanfan
01-28-2006, 01:44 PM
Most electronics-dependent military equipment is shielded against EMP radiation. A simple Faraday cage will suffice.

You mean we have this technology already? Meanwhile, in the DCU with all their advanced technology, Brother Eye didn't think to shield his OMAC robots the same way? :P

Dry Observer
01-28-2006, 08:34 PM
You mean we have this technology already? Meanwhile, in the DCU with all their advanced technology, Brother Eye didn't think to shield his OMAC robots the same way? :P

Yes, but if you put a SuperShield or BatSymbol on your EMP generator, that renders all conventional defenses useless.

Except those, in the former case, incorporating kryptonite.

As we say in mad scientist circles...

Good To Know.

=)

Ralph

Dry Observer
01-28-2006, 08:47 PM
Seriously, in ultra-tech universes like DC and Marvel, I tend to assume that a mega-EMP is powerful enough to disrupt or ionize its way through any physical or EM field shielding, thus taking out the OMACs -- which were, as you recall, supposed to be much stronger offensively than defensively. Also, Brother Eye later told Batman he'd eliminated that weakness from the remaining OMACs, so there's that wrinkle.

But yes, in the real world we've had large EMP effects since the 40s. You get one every time you detonate a nuke in the atmosphere. And they can now be generated on a more modest scale by non-nuclear means.

Not to mention the fact that a lot of people jam frequencies without dropping a nuke, which would also cause problems for many remote controlled vehicles.

Ralph