The Guardians Missed the Boat Again?

[Captain Smith]

In the first crisis, the Guardians were asleep at the switch and the Antimonitor nailed them to avoid their interference.

With all the crap happening now, you think they would be more tuned up. Esp. - shouldn't they have been able to detect Superboy-Prime moving planets around?

I'm also confused about the AntiMonitor's corpse. I seem to recall that and the end he was a ball of pissed off goo that Supes 2 knocked into a sun. Where did the body come from?

[DDM]

The Anti-Monitor's corpse remained apparently on Qward; the sun did not destroy it. However, the sun was powerful enough to disengage his spirit from his body.

The Guardians are blocked from monitoring the anti-matter universe; they have no jurisdiction there.

[Buried Alien]

The armored form of the Anti-Monitor was heavily damaged by the heroes' attack, but was never definitively destroyed. Somehow, between the first knockdown of the Anti-Monitor and his final destruction at Kal-L's hands, his energy form got separated from the armor. The energy form was disintegrated by Kal-L's punch, but the fate of the armor has been unascertained until now.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[aeastwic]

In the first crisis, the Guardians were asleep at the switch and the Antimonitor nailed them to avoid their interference.

With all the crap happening now, you think they would be more tuned up. Esp. - shouldn't they have been able to detect Superboy-Prime moving planets around?



They don't seem to be omniscient, they generally send their Lanterns to investigate strange things happening. However, how in the world does the center of the Universe change and they don't know. Especially when they are supposed to be in the middle of it.

Did anyone notice that the Space Sector that the huge fight is going on in, changed at least between issue 3 and issue 4. When Alex separated the Earths, it was sector 2814, but it wasn't in issue 3.

Which supposingly means that he needed the Earth at the center of the universe to do this...but how does moving planets change the center anyway?

[Captain Smith]

If he moves planets at FTL speed, isn't that bad for them?

Super types are invulnerable and Flashes did have the speed force but if you pushed a regular old planet at FTL, it would probably arrive as a ball of goo.

[jadrax]

However, how in the world does the center of the Universe change and they don't know. Especially when they are supposed to be in the middle of it.

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that they did know, and were worried about it.

[Jkid099]

They were aware that planets had been moved around, but were unaware what had caused it (as per Green Lantern Corps). However, it was noted by Alex that he and Superboy had been up to this for "several months" now. This could mean he was moving stuff around BEFORE Green Lantern: Rebirth, which would mean before the Guardians were fully resurrected.

[davids]

They are always getting some one else to do the dirty work. Or perhaps the reason is that the earth two Superman was suposed to be the greatest green lantern of them all and leader of the GL corps!
http://superman.ws/tales2/worldofkrypton.php check out the comic here! :evilsmile

[davros42]

Weren't the Guardians not in this universe at all? They certainly didn't have the Corps to do their dirty work. Wasn't the impending Crisis/shifting of the universal center the whole reason they came back and refounded the Green Lantern Corps?

[DDM]

Weren't the Guardians not in this universe at all? They certainly didn't have the Corps to do their dirty work. Wasn't the impending Crisis/shifting of the universal center the whole reason they came back and refounded the Green Lantern Corps?

The Guardians evolved long before the human race evolved on Earth. The Guardians birth planet is not Oa. Originally, the Guardians came from Maltus. The Guardians of the Universe pre-Crisis status is that they were present in the Earth-1 universe, but knew of the Multiverse & the anti-matter universe. Post-Crisis, the Guardians planet Oa remains at the center of the universe.

The Guardians first experimented with a lizard-like race to help in their endevors for fight evil, but the Guardians quickly abandoned the lizard race. The Lizard race inhabits the Vega System & became known as Psions who experiment on anything they can get their hands on. The Psions gave Starfire & Blackfire their energy powers. They also created the goddess, X'Hal.

The Guardians second experiment were robot drones to seek out evil. These drones became known as Manhunters. The Manhunters rebelled after several thousand years of service, gaining a sort of artificial intelligence.

Civil War broke out among the Guardians. A large portion of the population left the dimension completely to become the Controllers; the Controllers believe evil must be destroyed.

The female Guardians left Oa then evolved into Zamorans. The Star Sapphire has their psionic energy. Carol Ferris, Hal's girlfriend, became the villain known as Star Sapphire.

[protonik]

If he moves planets at FTL speed, isn't that bad for them?

Super types are invulnerable and Flashes did have the speed force but if you pushed a regular old planet at FTL, it would probably arrive as a ball of goo.

It's a COMIC BOOK, y'know, people don't really fly or run super super fast.

[Jack Tango]

It's a COMIC BOOK, y'know, people don't really fly or run super super fast.

People like to balance their fantasy with reality. That's why there's a breaking point to everyone's suspension of disbelief.

[jadrax]

If he moves planets at FTL speed, isn't that bad for them?

Super types are invulnerable and Flashes did have the speed force but if you pushed a regular old planet at FTL, it would probably arrive as a ball of goo.

Presumabley he extends a telekinetic energy shield around them like superman does when he lifts a large object.

[Captain Smith]

Is the telekinetic shield still canon?

Of course, it is a comic - however, we are all playing a game here discussing various aspect of what happens? To just cite suspension of disbelief is a cop-out to our great game. Geez.

[shyguy]

Don't the Guardians only notice in #1 that they're not at the center of the universe anymore?

Also, how the heck does moving around planets change where the center of the universe is? How would that even work unless Superboy moved Oa itself? And even if you could change the center of the universe by moving arond planets, wouldn't Superboy actually have to move around a bunch of stars and entire galaxies?

And no one noticed?

Sorry, I just thought that part was stupid.

[Captain Smith]

If the center of the universe is the explosion point of the big bang, then it is rather silly to change it by moving things along the expansion of the explosion front.

However, that would be a job Superboy.

[G'nort]

keep in mind that Alex was helping superboy with his science, to shift the center of the universe, And since the big bang theory is that the univers is expanding outward, perhaps moving the orbits of the planets and stars would change how the uneverse is expanding. creating a new focal point.

so if alex made a device that would allow superboy to move planets and suns without hurting them, like say a telekinetic feild, then it might be possible to change the center of the uneverse.

In the GL corps recharge, the guardians commented on the shift in the center of the universe. perhaps they were too busy proggraming rings to notice at first.

[Bored at 3:00AM]

I think everybody has known something wierd has been happening to the universe ever since Thanagar and Rann collided. After that happened, moving planets was the least of their concerns with a giant intergalactic war raging on pretty much every planet in the DCU.

As for the Guardians, they were children when all this planet moving was going on, and they did notice it the change as soon as they were restored to their adult forms, but, by that time, it was too late to do anything about but try to get the Corps up and running as quickly as possilble.

[shyguy]

Okay, I can buy these explanations for a) why it's even possible for Superboy to do this and b) why the Guardians didn't notice (but weren't the Guardians adults before Rebirth? I don't remember exactly when they became adults).

Unfortunately, it kind of makes the Guardians look like morons, but I guess that's par for the course. I still think it's kind of weird that Superboy was moving entire galaxies without anyone noticing anything (including the new Green Lanterns of those sectors), but maybe in the post-Crisis DCU no one conceives of such a thing being possible. And I guess the DCU isn't like the Marvel U, where you have a number of cosmic beings who might do something about it.

For that matter, I'm hoping that at some point during IC we get an idea of why the New Gods are totally absent from all of these cosmic happenings.

[Bored at 3:00AM]

Okay, I can buy these explanations for a) why it's even possible for Superboy to do this and b) why the Guardians didn't notice (but weren't the Guardians adults before Rebirth? I don't remember exactly when they became adults).

Unfortunately, it kind of makes the Guardians look like morons, but I guess that's par for the course. I still think it's kind of weird that Superboy was moving entire galaxies without anyone noticing anything (including the new Green Lanterns of those sectors), but maybe in the post-Crisis DCU no one conceives of such a thing being possible. And I guess the DCU isn't like the Marvel U, where you have a number of cosmic beings who might do something about it.

For that matter, I'm hoping that at some point during IC we get an idea of why the New Gods are totally absent from all of these cosmic happenings.

The Guardians weren't restored to their adult forms until Rebirth #6, which took place right before Countdown to Infinite Crisis, at which point the planets were already moved, and the **** had already hit the fan. There weren't any new Green Lanterns until after that point.

Here's a general timeline...

Luthor & Superboy move the center of the universe to the Polaris System--chaos erupts across the universe, including the Rann-Thanagar War, which occupies everybody's attention.

The Guardians are restored to adult form. They notice that something hinky is going down with the universe and reform the Corps to deal with it.

They're too late. Luthor's plan comes to fruition while both Oa and the Corps are under attack by the Spider-Guild.

And moving planets around isn't that difficult when you have Luthor's super-science and Superboy Prime's Pre-Crisis level of sheer physical might at your dispossal.

[Shellhead]

Let's face it, there simply isn't much demand for a big DC crossover where the short blue balding guys save the day.

[shyguy]

The Guardians weren't restored to their adult forms until Rebirth #6, which took place right before Countdown to Infinite Crisis, at which point the planets were already moved, and the **** had already hit the fan. There weren't any new Green Lanterns until after that point.

...

Ahhh, okay, you're right. I've forgotten just about everything that happened in Rebirth, so for some reason I thought that the Guardians had aged before that. I guess it makes sense that between caring for the young Guardians and dealing with all of the Yellow Fear Monster business, Ganthet didn't notice anything either.

[XPac]

Did the Guardians manage to get more Green Lanterns? Isn't there only like 5 of them?

Maybe they did notice, but already had their GL's preoccupies with other matters. They're too busy dealing with the symptoms to bother stopping for a second to investiage the cause.

[Bored at 3:00AM]

Did the Guardians manage to get more Green Lanterns? Isn't there only like 5 of them?

Maybe they did notice, but already had their GL's preoccupies with other matters. They're too busy dealing with the symptoms to bother stopping for a second to investiage the cause.

There are more than five GLs right now, but the Corps has just been restarted and immediately came under siege by the Spider-Guild, who are presumably in cahoots with Alex Luthor.

I think there's supposed to be a few hundred GLs now, and most of them are rookies still vunerable against the Yellow Impurity. A lot of the surviving veterans are around, but most of the ex-GLs were systematicaly killed off--mostly by Ron Marz. Basically, the Corps is a mess and the Guardians were caught with their pants down.

Parallax sucker punched them back during Emerald Twilight, and they've been reeling from that ever since. Although considering they managed to cheat death a few times during this period, I don't think they can be faulted for not being able to prevent Alex Luthor & Superboy Prime's plans.

[davros42]

The Guardians evolved long before the human race evolved on Earth. The Guardians birth planet is not Oa. Originally, the Guardians came from Maltus. The Guardians of the Universe pre-Crisis status is that they were present in the Earth-1 universe, but knew of the Multiverse & the anti-matter universe. Post-Crisis, the Guardians planet Oa remains at the center of the universe.

The Guardians first experimented with a lizard-like race to help in their endevors for fight evil, but the Guardians quickly abandoned the lizard race. The Lizard race inhabits the Vega System & became known as Psions who experiment on anything they can get their hands on. The Psions gave Starfire & Blackfire their energy powers. They also created the goddess, X'Hal.

The Guardians second experiment were robot drones to seek out evil. These drones became known as Manhunters. The Manhunters rebelled after several thousand years of service, gaining a sort of artificial intelligence.

Civil War broke out among the Guardians. A large portion of the population left the dimension completely to become the Controllers; the Controllers believe evil must be destroyed.

The female Guardians left Oa then evolved into Zamorans. The Star Sapphire has their psionic energy. Carol Ferris, Hal's girlfriend, became the villain known as Star Sapphire.

Thanks for the History Lesson but all that was really moot after Hal destroyed the power battery and Ganthet was supposedly the "last" Guardian. They recently returned from somewhere with new non-Zamoran females among their number...

I'm just saying that's why they missed the boat. They weren't even in this universe at the time. I was asking for a clarification on where they had been all this time, since I could have sworn Hal killed them all (except Ganthet).

[DDM]

Thanks for the History Lesson but all that was really moot after Hal destroyed the power battery and Ganthet was supposedly the "last" Guardian. They recently returned from somewhere with new non-Zamoran females among their number...

I'm just saying that's why they missed the boat. They weren't even in this universe at the time. I was asking for a clarification on where they had been all this time, since I could have sworn Hal killed them all (except Ganthet).

Actually, after Crisis on Infinite Earths, the remaining Guardians left Oa with the Zamorans to repopulate their race.

The Guardians are not omniscent. They are extremely powerful, immortal beings. The Guardians still have flaws. Even they are not perfect.

You've got to give them some slack.