Does Barry know of the Multiverse?

[Buried Alien]

Thus far, the individuals who know of the Multiverse in INFINITE CRISIS are Alexander Luthor, Superboy of Earth-Prime, Kal-L, Lois Lane of Earth-2, Power Girl, Psycho Pirate, Batman, and Nightwing.

Barry Allen made a brief appearance in INFINITE CRISIS # 4. What does he know of the Multiverse? Like a few others, Barry died in the Antimatter Universe of Qward during the Crisis. If he re-emerges in the modern DCU, what does he remember - the Pre-COIE Multiverse or the Post-COIE DC Universe? We've seen in Post-COIE flashback stories such as BORN TO RUN and JLA YEAR ONE that such pivotal Barry history as his first meeting with Wally West and the formation of the JLA happened differently Post-COIE than Pre-COIE, but given Barry's ability to travel among dimensions and the fact that he died within close proximity to the Anti-Monitor in Qward during the original Crisis, how would that effect his perception of time-space were he to return from the dead?


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[TheCrisisKid]

Barry Allen died during COIE, and when everything was redone, what was his new cause of death? Also, during COIE, when the flash was going back in time and talking to people, could he have maybe seen a scene or two of the future? I still don't understand how Barry Allen is alive. In COIE, they show his body turning to sketeton, then to dust. How does someone come back to life from there? Add water?

[drpblunt]

Barry Allen died during COIE, and when everything was redone, what was his new cause of death? Also, during COIE, when the flash was going back in time and talking to people, could he have maybe seen a scene or two of the future? I still don't understand how Barry Allen is alive. In COIE, they show his body turning to sketeton, then to dust. How does someone come back to life from there? Add water?

during the original flash series, barry allen lived for a while in the 30th century with his wife,during his previous returns to the present it has been this version of barry, still living in the future who has "yet to return to 1985 and die in the crisis" oy my head hurts :)


imo he should remeber all about the multiverse, but somehow i think his bacstory re events leading him into the future have been retconned to coincide with post-crisis history

[aeastwic]

Thus far, the individuals who know of the Multiverse in INFINITE CRISIS are Alexander Luthor, Superboy of Earth-Prime, Kal-L, Lois Lane of Earth-2, Power Girl, Psycho Pirate, Batman, and Nightwing.

Barry Allen made a brief appearance in INFINITE CRISIS # 4. What does he know of the Multiverse? Like a few others, Barry died in the Antimatter Universe of Qward during the Crisis. If he re-emerges in the modern DCU, what does he remember - the Pre-COIE Multiverse or the Post-COIE DC Universe? We've seen in Post-COIE flashback stories such as BORN TO RUN and JLA YEAR ONE that such pivotal Barry history as his first meeting with Wally West and the formation of the JLA happened differently Post-COIE than Pre-COIE, but given Barry's ability to travel among dimensions and the fact that he died within close proximity to the Anti-Monitor in Qward during the original Crisis, how would that effect his perception of time-space were he to return from the dead?


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Even though he lived in the 30th century, which is linearly post-Crisis and everything should have changed....he died at a point when the multi-verse existed so he should remember it.

Barry's timeline is not a straight line, it's a broken line, but the endpoint when he went to heaven/speed force was when the multi-verse was there, so he should remember.

However, from Flash #200, he doesn;t indicate that he knows anything about the multi-verse, although he certainly knows about Hal being split from the Spectre. Which is very interesting. Either he truly does not remember the multi-verse or he never had occasion to comment on it.

But my guess is, that he SHOULD remember it.

When he appeared out of the speed force, it was not his physical body. Apparently, when being sucked into the Speed Force, you lose your corporeal form, so it looks like it's his soul that is there.

Green Arrow's coming back to life showed Barry in Heaven, although the two concepts can co-exist. The Speed Force may be the way that speedsters get to heaven.

[Shellhead]

I realize that writers never referred to the Speed Force until Mark Waid came up with the concept post-Crisis. But is the Speed Force unique to the merged universe that resulted from the Crisis on Infinite Earths? Or was it always a part of Earth-1 and Earth-2 and other worlds, just not something that the characters were aware of back then?

[aeastwic]

I realize that writers never referred to the Speed Force until Mark Waid came up with the concept post-Crisis. But is the Speed Force unique to the merged universe that resulted from the Crisis on Infinite Earths? Or was it always a part of Earth-1 and Earth-2 and other worlds, just not something that the characters were aware of back then?

It seems to be part of the DC multi-dimensional space only. From JLA/Avengers, the Speed Force did not exist outside in Marvel-land.

It's hard to come up with words to describe this, since as far as DC is concerned, there is no multi-verse, yet there is another plane of existence that the Marvel multi-verse occupied. Yet I don't know the scientific term for it.

Multi-verse basically describes different parallel dimensions if you are a DC fan; mostly the same thing if you are a Marvel fan. However, Marvel could get away with saying that the DCU is another dimension off MU616; but DC destroyed every other universe in COIE...so where is the MU?

Confusing!

But since Max Mercury touched the Speed-Force, well before 1985, it seems to be pre and post Crisis. However, people didn't know what it was until post-Crisis.

[Buried Alien]

Barry Allen died during COIE, and when everything was redone, what was his new cause of death?

The same, but the Crisis was smaller in scope (one positive matter universe in jeopardy rather than a Multiverse).

In COIE, they show his body turning to sketeton, then to dust. How does someone come back to life from there? Add water?

The thing is, COIE wasn't even the first time Barry's had his body disintegrated or otherwise rendered incorporeal. During his Silver/Bronze Age adventures, various enemies managed to disincorporate Barry several times, and he always found a way to reincorporate.

Maybe it just took a little longer this time...


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[Mainline]

My opinion: So long as he continues to exist in the timeline- past, present, or future- he remembers events as everyone else in the world remembers them- that is, no Multiverse.