Claremont's Upcoming Plans For New Excalibur!!

[DDM]

Is it just things like the sudden mororbike obsession or is there something more specific?

Read Uncanny X-Men #230. Alison has a motorcycle too...

[Beast]

Well, yes thery do have quite a lot in common, I suppose. The music, the pregnancy the dimension hopping... and Mojo.
The lost love. Longshot and Thunderbird. :)

[Novaya Havoc]

Is it just things like the sudden mororbike obsession or is there something more specific?

It's the fact she, uh, doesn't look like Dazzler? It's one of Claremont's trademark masculinization of his female characters, which happens ad nauseam.

And it's been covered pages upon pages upon threads ago. It's an awful character design - by far one of the worst in a "mainstream" book since 2000.

[Beast]

It's the fact she, uh, doesn't look like Dazzler? It's one of Claremont's trademark masculinization of his female characters, which happens ad nauseam.

And it's been covered pages upon pages upon threads ago. It's an awful character design - by far one of the worst in a "mainstream" book since 2000.
In your opinion. Some of us casual fans of Dazzler happen to like it. :p

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I'm not crazy for it, but I certainly don't dislike it with the vigour of some people.

But I can also understand how Novaya feels. Anybody remember Brittanic? :rolleyes:

Occasionally you'll find a redesign which stinks so bad that you just can't get past it, but you learn to put up with it eventually. If it doesn't work it doesn't last long.

[BlackKnight]

I am going to go way off the current Dazzler topic and say this. I think Black Knight (Dane Whitman) should be a member of Excalibur. The tie ins from him to the mythical ideas of excalibur are many, he lives in England and he is friends with Captain Britian. Also I feel he would an a refreshing change from the X charaters in this comic. :)

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I am going to go way off the current Dazzler topic and say this. I think Black Knight (Dane Whitman) should be a member of Excalibur. The tie ins from him to the mythical ideas of excalibur are many, he lives in England and he is friends with Captain Britian. Also I feel he would an a refreshing change from the X charaters in this comic. :)

You're far from alone there, mate. We discussed this in the alternatives to the Hellfire Club Arc thread. It makes sense. He was even part of Excalibur, in the makeshift team of volume 2.

I guess the big problem right now is this is still very much a mutant title, in the wake of Decimation, which is certainly understandable, and Dane doesn't quite fit in there.

I would hope that he might join in the long run. He's always been a character I've liked, and he's kind of in limbo these days.

[BlackKnight]

You're far from alone there, mate. We discussed this in the alternatives to the Hellfire Club Arc thread. It makes sense. He was even part of Excalibur, in the makeshift team of volume 2.

I guess the big problem right now is this is still very much a mutant title, in the wake of Decimation, which is certainly understandable, and Dane doesn't quite fit in there.

I would hope that he might join in the long run. He's always been a character I've liked, and he's kind of in limbo these days.

Personally I think this title should move more to a mixed title rather then a mutant title, which there are vastly to many of right now.

Bringing in Black Knight would and more dimension to the team, and several more story lines that where droped after H4H regarding BK that could and should involve CB.

Maybe I should go to the other website and mention it to claremont. LOL

[Babylon23]

But I can also understand how Novaya feels. Anybody remember Brittanic? :rolleyes:

I remember Brittanic :mad: . Now let us never speak of him again.

Black Knight: I agree that the Black Knight would be an excellent addition to the team. He's a great character with a long association with Captain Britain, and would add a whole new dimension to the team. Unfortunately, Sword is Drawn is right when he says Excalibur is being played as a mutant book. Maybe we'll see Dane in a guest appearance.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I remember Brittanic :mad: . Now let us never speak of him again.

Black Knight: I agree that the Black Knight would be an excellent addition to the team. He's a great character with a long association with Captain Britain, and would add a whole new dimension to the team. Unfortunately, Sword is Drawn is right when he says Excalibur is being played as a mutant book. Maybe we'll see Dane in a guest appearance.

I think this may well change after the first year of the title. It's mutant-centric right now, because were still in Decimation territory. But a year from now we'll be in the fallout from Civil War, which will be a whole Marvel Universe event. It would make sense for Excalibur to mirror some of that.

Claremont is not a mutants only writer, by a long stretch. His original Excalibur featured a much more mixed lineup. There would be room for the Bl;ack Knight at that point, maybe. I certainly hope so.

[Beast]

Some more teasing news from Claremont:
Dear Nachturne:

First arc is #'s 1-3 (Art: Michael Ryan)
Second arc: #'s 4 & 5 (Art: Steven Cummings). Intro's the series' main adversary.
Third arc: #'s 6 & 7. (Art: Michael Ryan).
Excalibur #8 is a semi stand-alone, thematically related to Arc 3 (Art: not yet assigned.)
Fourth arc: #'s 9-11. (Art: not yet assigned.) Brings major adversary to the forefront, plus major secondary villain; intro's final proposed member of the core cast. (Be advised, this is all prospective, still subject to editorial modification.)
Fifth arc: #'s 12-14. (Art: not yet assigned.) Closes out our first season with some Dazzler-centric revelations. She was adopted, don't'chaknow, the hitherto unsuspected, unimagined fourth Summer sibling (bet no one ever saw that coming, that Scott has a surprise twin sister?), passed back and forth from Hydra to Hand via Sinister in Wundagore. But I'm afraid I may have said too much. (Other than to note that the goal is to clear up her interesting tendency to heal from otherwise mortal blows.)

Then, if sales warrant and if we get a green light for Season 2(007), we'll kick back and have some wild and wacky fun. If not ... ?

Cordiallly,

Chris Claremont

[fireball87o]

Some more teasing news from Claremont:

was that news blurb serious?

[Hi-Fi]

Does that means it got cancelled? Like Runaways before Season 2??

[Beast]

Does that means it got cancelled? Like Runaways before Season 2??
No, it hasn't gotten cancelled. He's just saying that's the plans thru Issue #14. And then if the sales are still good, it will be back for another year. :)

[Hi-Fi]

No, it hasn't gotten cancelled. He's just saying that's the plans thru Issue #14. And then if the sales are still good, it will be back for another year. :)

Got it! Thanks.

[Beast]

Interestingly enough, Black Tom Cassidey didn't get listed as 'Depowered' in the new Handbook that came out? So is this an oversight, or did he just lose the crappy Treebeard form. :)

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Interestingly enough, Black Tom Cassidey didn't get listed as 'Depowered' in the new Handbook that came out? So is this an oversight, or did he just lose the crappy Treebeard form. :)

Was Black Tom officially a mutant? I thought he was a wizardy type originally?

[DDM]

Was Black Tom officially a mutant? I thought he was a wizardy type originally?

Black Tom Cassidy is indeed a mutant. He uses wood to send energy out as a weapon. Black Tom Cassidy has been a mutant since he first appeared way back in Uncanny X-Men #100, 102.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Black Tom Cassidy is indeed a mutant. He uses wood to send energy out as a weapon. Black Tom Cassidy has been a mutant since he first appeared way back in Uncanny X-Men #100, 102.

That clarified, cheers DDM, there are 3 probably reasons for him looking like his old self.

a) He wasn't Treebeard in the House of M. So, by some magical fluke, when Wanda set things back he stayed the same. Possibly because she never knew anything about his change in appearance... or some other cheap excuse to get rid of an unfashionable concept...

b) This was a secondary mutation, and M-Day only removed the secondary mutation, leaving his original talent intact.

or

c) He HAS been depowered, and like Angel's possible continuity confusion in the 198 files/Generation M, somebody made a mistake... :rolleyes:

[fishtaco]

Black Tom did appear as a tree in House of M. Somehow (deus ex machina, I know) Psylocke used her psychic katana to revert him back to human form.

My theory for how she did this? Black Tom's natural form is not as a tree. He can, by will, change into a tree. When Psylocke fried his synapses (which is what her psychic knife/katana does), he automatically lost his concentration and reverted to his normal form.

I'm sure it'll all be addressed.

[DDM]

That clarified, cheers DDM, there are 3 probably reasons for him looking like his old self.

a) He wasn't Treebeard in the House of M. So, by some magical fluke, when Wanda set things back he stayed the same. Possibly because she never knew anything about his change in appearance... or some other cheap excuse to get rid of an unfashionable concept...

b) This was a secondary mutation, and M-Day only removed the secondary mutation, leaving his original talent intact.

or

c) He HAS been depowered, and like Angel's possible continuity confusion in the 198 files/Generation M, somebody made a mistake... :rolleyes:


Claremont never understood why he was transformed into Plantman II anyway. Claremont is simply trying to bring Black Tom Cassidy back to his roots by writing him as a credible villain instead of a parody he became as tree-man.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Claremont never understood why he was transformed into Plantman II anyway. Claremont is simply trying to bring Black Tom Cassidy back to his roots by writing him as a credible villain instead of a parody he became as tree-man.

Which can only be a good thing. I wouldn't have minded so much if Tom had the ability to change form at will, but being stuck in that body was nothing short of daft. I mean Bachalo drew it really well, but it was ridiculous.

I was glad to see him back to normal in the preview cover. I just hope the reason for it is credible.

[Novaya Havoc]

Claremont never understood why he was transformed into Plantman II anyway. Claremont is simply trying to bring Black Tom Cassidy back to his roots by writing him as a credible villain instead of a parody he became as tree-man.

Huh. The exact opposite he's doing to Dazzler. Imagine that.

[LoneWolf21]

Interestingly enough, Black Tom Cassidey didn't get listed as 'Depowered' in the new Handbook that came out? So is this an oversight, or did he just lose the crappy Treebeard form. :)

Or they just didn't want to give out fiture spoilers to a story.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure the whole Treebeard thing was another secondary mutation, because originally he he was given the wood bits as part of an experimental procedure (I know he had some plant in him, but from what I remember he still looked human) to save his life after Cable shot him full of holes, also, of course, with the wood bits already inside of him, he didn't have to carry a wooden stick around all the time just to use his powers.

[tunasammiches]

Does anyone know the best way to get in contact with CC? I actually wanna pitch a Dazzler story to him...

[Babylon23]

CC posts on the Comixfan messageboards. You could possibly try there.

[Beast]

Or they just didn't want to give out fiture spoilers to a story.
Well, they gave out future spoilers when they confirmed Abyss had been depowered. And when they printed the fact that Banshee had been killed by Vulcan, the Third Summers Brother back in the last A-Z Handbook. :)

[Brian M.]

Claremont was joking about the 4th Summers sibling right? Please say yes.

[Beast]

Claremont was joking about the 4th Summers sibling right? Please say yes.
Yes, of course he was joking. It's more likely she's a Grey, if she comes back from the dead. :D

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Yes, of course he was joking. It's more likely she's a Grey, if she comes back from the dead. :D

Well, he couldn't keep Rachel for NEX. Time for another future Grey? :rolleyes:

Yes, he was joking. But glad to see the gameplane.

[Marty4Magik]

Huh. The exact opposite he's doing to Dazzler. Imagine that.
Well, let's be honest here. Black Tom is a whole lot more interesting then Dazzler has ever been.

[Vegetarian Goat]

Well, let's be honest here. Black Tom is a whole lot more interesting then Dazzler has ever been.

That's a difference of opinion, my friend.

[Hi-Fi]

Well, let's be honest here. Black Tom is a whole lot more interesting then Dazzler has ever been.

If you're joking, it's not funny.

If you're not, well it's still not funny.

[Marty4Magik]

That's a difference of opinion, my friend.
Ofcourse it is.

If you're joking, it's not funny.

If you're not, well it's still not funny.
See above.

I don't hate Dazzler, or anything.
For me she is an 'OK'-character.
I have many of those...Storm for example, or Cyclops, Angel etc etc...

I just happen to like BT more then D.

[Brian M.]

I'm sure whatever Claremont has for NEx it'll be great...hold on gotta fight my mind controlled roommate.

[fishtaco]

I'm sure whatever Claremont has for NEx it'll be great...hold on gotta fight my mind controlled roommate.Pete Wisdom and Sage aren't roomates, and Sage is not being mind controlled. I think that people's Claremont-mind-control-paranoia is causing them to interpret Warwolves disguising themselves as their victims as mind control. Read Excalibur: The Sword Is Drawn, Excalibur (1st Series) 1-2.

[Novaya Havoc]

Well, let's be honest here. Black Tom is a whole lot more interesting then Dazzler has ever been.

Yum. Troll comments. Love 'em. Go suck up to CC some more on Comixfan. :rolleyes:

[Marty4Magik]

Yum. Troll comments. Love 'em. Go suck up to CC some more on Comixfan. :rolleyes:
Go look up the meaning of the word.
I am stating my opinions politely.
You on the otherhand are a classic Troll.
Go read some CC Dazzler. :p

[bfrank]

Yum. Troll comments. Love 'em. Go suck up to CC some more on Comixfan. :rolleyes:
you're the biggest troll here, mr. pot....

[Brian M.]

Pete Wisdom and Sage aren't roomates, and Sage is not being mind controlled. I think that people's Claremont-mind-control-paranoia is causing them to interpret Warwolves disguising themselves as their victims as mind control. Read Excalibur: The Sword Is Drawn, Excalibur (1st Series) 1-2.


I'll just go ahead and lay out for you since sarcasm goes right over your head. I'm joking about all the mind controlled plots Claremont does. I'm sure his plans for NEx include some teammate vs teammate stuff, mind control, possesion, something along the lines. So when I wrote that comment it was a joke, started out talking about his future plans but pretended to get mind controlled to fight my roommate aka a teammate if Claremont wrote it.
Hi! I'm Sarcasm...we met?

[Lanowar]

Claremont's upcoming plans involve him jumping over to Exiles! Bwahahaha <.< >.>

[Beast]

Claremont's upcoming plans involve him jumping over to Exiles! Bwahahaha <.< >.>
He's not jumping over to Exiles, he'll be writing both books.

[zonzorp]

Go look up the meaning of the word.
I am stating my opinions politely.
You on the otherhand are a classic Troll.
Go read some CC Dazzler. :p
He'll be too busy with the dictionary to have time for comics, since he needs to look up "amateur" too.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

He's not jumping over to Exiles, he'll be writing both books.

Although it doesn't take too much thinking to realise the obvious New Excalibur/Exiles crossover on the horizon... :rolleyes:

[Beast]

Although it doesn't take too much thinking to realise the obvious New Excalibur/Exiles crossover on the horizon... :rolleyes:
So? Exiles has had a crossover with the 616 reality three times now. A fourth is bound to happen, no matter who's writing. And since Betsy's last 616 appearance is going to be New Excalibur #8, it makes sense. :)

[Marty4Magik]

I personally wouldn't mind a crossover (I get both titles anyway :) ), as long as it's not in the first year.

[Beast]

I personally wouldn't mind a crossover (I get both titles anyway :) ), as long as it's not in the first year.
I think he'll use New Excalibur #8 as a means of setting up his Exiles run. Somewhat like he did with the House of M issues of Uncanny X-Men setting up New Excalibur.

[Marty4Magik]

I think he'll use New Excalibur #8 as a means of setting up his Exiles run. Somewhat like he did with the House of M issues of Uncanny X-Men setting up New Excalibur.
Ow, that's fine with me. That's not really a crossover, just a tie in....I like that very much really...it would be weird if Psylocke just suddenly appeared in Exiles without much explanation/reactions from 616 characters.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

So? Exiles has had a crossover with the 616 reality three times now. A fourth is bound to happen, no matter who's writing. And since Betsy's last 616 appearance is going to be New Excalibur #8, it makes sense. :)

Suggested this a while back in the New Excalibur: No Hellfire Club thread. People said it wouldn't happen.

But think about it:

Nocturne - Former eXile.

Dazzler - reunited with Longshot, only to find that Mojo wiped his memory of her.

The eXiles also recently gave Mojo viewing rights to the omniverse, in exchange for Longshot. He's probably still trying to get his hands on TJ and Cain. And Dazzler would be a bonus...

[Babylon23]

I wonder if we'll see Otherworld and Roma in Excalibur #8. I could see Roma deciding to intercede in the activities of the Exiles, given the amount of dimension-hopping that team does. Maybe she'll appoint Psylocke as a sort of watchdog for the Exiles.

At the same time, Brian could regain his lin ot Otherworld.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I wonder if we'll see Otherworld and Roma in Excalibur #8. I could see Roma deciding to intercede in the activities of the Exiles, given the amount of dimension-hopping that team does. Maybe she'll appoint Psylocke as a sort of watchdog for the Exiles.

At the same time, Brian could regain his lin ot Otherworld.

Yes, it's certainly plausible. It would make sense for one to acknowledge the other.

[LoneWolf21]

Yes, it's certainly plausible. It would make sense for one to acknowledge the other.

I don't know, the idea behind Exiles is that they are, for the most part, they're own animal from regular continuity (even Longshot, the sole 616 member, technically doesn't originate from that dimension, and has had his memory wiped too).

The Roma and Corps might make it too attached to something.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I don't know, the idea behind Exiles is that they are, for the most part, they're own animal from regular continuity (even Longshot, the sole 616 member, technically doesn't originate from that dimension, and has had his memory wiped too).

The Roma and Corps might make it too attached to something.

No, that's not quite what I mean.

The concept of eXiles is that these guys jump across the multiverse changing things.

It makes sense that eventually, especially in light of the chaos created by Proteus recently, and the number of realities unfixed by them because of chasing him, that Roma will eventually notice that somebody is buggering about with something they shouldn't be...

[LoneWolf21]

No, that's not quite what I mean.

The concept of eXiles is that these guys jump across the multiverse changing things.

It makes sense that eventually, especially in light of the chaos created by Proteus recently, and the number of realities unfixed by them because of chasing him, that Roma will eventually notice that somebody is buggering about with something they shouldn't be...

So you're thinking of a reference to Roma and the Corps, but not a permenant connection. That could work.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

So you're thinking of a reference to Roma and the Corps, but not a permenant connection. That could work.

That's exactly what I'm suggesting, yes. Roma notices a large scale unbalance occuring that could be a problem for the multi-verse - and it turns out to be the eXiles.

It's the obvious crossover, considering the two casts. A couple of issues sorting a few things out, and then back to normal for both books.

[Babylon23]

That's what I was thinking. Roma is guardian of the omniverse. It makes sense for her to at least acknowledge whats happening with the Exiles, and I can see her asking Psylocke to look into it.

I wouldn't want the Exiles to become too tied into the Captain Britain mythos, but the possibilities are there for some interaction.

[streator]

you are talking about the same thing in two seperate threads.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

you are talking about the same thing in two seperate threads.

Hence why I'm not replying to the other thread anymore. That was about alternatives to the Hellfire Club arc.

I only posted on there as it was a point mentioned earlier in the thread.

[Frank]

This book needs a new artist. So that I can pick it up.

[Cowlander]

That's what I was thinking. Roma is guardian of the omniverse. It makes sense for her to at least acknowledge whats happening with the Exiles, and I can see her asking Psylocke to look into it.

I wouldn't want the Exiles to become too tied into the Captain Britain mythos, but the possibilities are there for some interaction.
THat might work, but do you think CC could or would do it that way. Its like I said in the other thread is Psy wasnt there I would consider that a possibility. BUt with her there I want him to stay as far away from the Britain books as possible. I dont think he could do it without having them overtake the book.

Hopefully he keeps them seperate and keeps to telling the stories hes telling NExc. I think it would be nice if CC simply built a new world of stories out of Britain instead of having the team go dimension hopping like the old series. Its like how all the AF books have the team outside of canada instead of building something in canada. Make people love the local and the things unique to that area instead of simply putting them on a plane to america for adventures there or somehwere else.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

THat might work, but do you think CC could or would do it that way. Its like I said in the other thread is Psy wasnt there I would consider that a possibility. BUt with her there I want him to stay as far away from the Britain books as possible. I dont think he could do it without having them overtake the book.

Hopefully he keeps them seperate and keeps to telling the stories hes telling NExc. I think it would be nice if CC simply built a new world of stories out of Britain instead of having the team go dimension hopping like the old series. Its like how all the AF books have the team outside of canada instead of building something in canada. Make people love the local and the things unique to that area instead of simply putting them on a plane to america for adventures there or somehwere else.

That's as maybe, but it's impossible to truly keep Psylocke away from the Captain Britain mythos, because that is the book that she came from. She was a Marvel Universe character long before she was an X-Man.

Hell she WAS Captain Britain for a while.

I too hope that Claremont creates some new Britain based and purposefull satories, but every once in a while Otherworld will feature, and dimension hopping will occur. It's part and parcel of the book. Always has been.

[Neolucifer]

So you're thinking of a reference to Roma and the Corps, but not a permenant connection. That could work.

Thats all i ask for . I like the whole Otherworld mythos , but i dont want Exiles to become burdened with it .
Makes Roma and the Corps a connection , but not an heavy and permanent one .

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Thats all i ask for . I like the whole Otherworld mythos , but i dont want Exiles to become burdened with it .
Makes Roma and the Corps a connection , but not an heavy and permanent one .

I don't think it would be THAT level of inteference. Psylocke placed in to report back to/contact Roma, if things got more hairy on the team's travels. Observing, rather than interfereing.

[Frank]

I would love for Otherworld and Exiles to have a connection! It makes sens. Great idea.

[Jaden Algo]

You know I always thought that the Panoptichron could be in Otherworld, it would explain why the Otherworld numbering system is used. Also, Roma could be enlisting the Exiles to do something about that chaos wave from Uncanny, I mean was that really resolved. But what do I know, I'm new.