Joe Fridays: *Huge X-Men roster spoilers*

[fishtaco]

http://www.newsarama.com/JoeFridays/JoeFridays34.html

Okay, this is bizzare.

Cable? Please don't let CDP be cancelled

This has got to be the most bizzare roster I've ever seen. It's bad, but it's bizzare. I'm pretty convinced that Milligan is leaving. I can only hope so.

JQ sounded like he was saying that there is going to be a lot more from CC in the X-verse. I think that JQ owed the CC fans more of an explanation than just saying that it was neccessary for the new direction...

A new direction? Weren't the books just given a new direction? I don't understand. The X-Men's world was just shaken to it's core, and now, 4 months afterwards, they have to shake it all up again?

Marvel needs to let the books deal with the ramifications before they shake things up again. A crossover is okay, but they can't just make it crossover after crossover after crossover. If they are going to do it that way, then they should have a crossover, and then let the books deal with the aftermath for at least two years, and then if they want, they can do another crossover. Claremont is doing a fine job of dealing with the House of M in both Uncanny X-Men and New Excalibur. There was no good reason for them to kick him off (at least that I am aware of).

[X-Men Forever]

If Joe is telling the truth, you are not going to believe the new X-Men roster it is :eek: wothy
www.newsarama.com/JoeFridays/JoeFridays34.html

[X-Men Forever]

Yo dude, you beat me to the punch by one minute :D . I guess Brian can merge or destroy my thread if he wishes.

[X-Men Forever]

For those who do not want to read the entire interview, here is the roster joe gave for X-Men.

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Cable, Mystique, Rogue, Cannonball, Sabretooth, and Iceman.

[Beast]

JQ: More on that next week as well, but in the meantime, because I promised some info this week, X-Men will be: Cable, Mystique, Rogue, Cannonball, Sabretooth, and Iceman.

Woah.... just woah. :eek:

[LordAllMighty]

I take this with a grain of salt until I see it for myself. :p

[Joe Zool]

JQ: More on that next week as well, but in the meantime, because I promised some info this week, X-Men will be: Cable, Mystique, Rogue, Cannonball, Sabretooth, and Iceman.

Woah.... just woah. :eek:


This makes no sense to me, unless they want it to be a re-re-re revamped X-Factor.

[X-Men Forever]

I take this with a grain of salt until I see it for myself. :p

Same here. When he listed these characters I went :eek: myself. By the way, I think it is an awesome character roster if it is true.

[(NO)]

What a crazy week in the X-World. First Brubaker on Uncanny, then Gambit is revealed as a Horseman, and now we have the new line-up for X-Men. :eek:

[LoneWolf21]

I don't know, maybe I'm too cynical, but the line-up just seems so random, I feel like Joey Q is pulling our leg.

And is Milligan staying on X-Men, or is he too getting shifted around?

[X-Men Forever]

Are we all trusting the fact that Joe is telling the truth about the new X-Men roster?

[AnthonyJ]

By the way, I have to appreciate this line from JQ:

...And quite simply, why Ed?

JQ: ...he’s new to Marvel and not enough people hate him so we figure a run on X-Men will cure that right away....

Too true...

[LoneWolf21]

I don't know, maybe I'm too cynical, but the line-up just seems so random, I feel like Joey Q is pulling our leg.

And is Milligan staying on X-Men, or is he too getting shifted around?

[lament]

If this roster is true... ew. I have no interest in reading about 4 of the 6 characters. I may have to drop this title. :(

[X-Men Forever]

Claremont is doing a fine job of dealing with the House of M in both Uncanny X-Men and New Excalibur. There was no good reason for them to kick him off (at least that I am aware of).

Still can't let go eh?

[PerfectBrak]

Cable, Rogue, Mystique, Iceman, Cannonball = Nice combo of new additions and old favorites

Sabretooth = Huh?

[X-Men Forever]

If this roster is true... ew. I have no interest in reading about 4 of the 6 characters. I may have to drop this title. :(

I dropped the title 4 months ago, but if this new roster is true, and Milligan is replaced, then I am all over X-Men again(I am a whore for Sabretooth :D ).

[riotgear]

I don't know, maybe I'm too cynical, but the line-up just seems so random, I feel like Joey Q is pulling our leg.

And is Milligan staying on X-Men, or is he too getting shifted around?

Sounds like (we can hope)...

NRAMA: And how about “Adjectiveless”? Any creative changes in the future there?

JQ: Yes, we can speak more about X-Men next week.

[lament]

Out of this roster, I'm only interested in Cannonball and Iceman. The rest? Meh. I do NOT want to read a rehash of the Mystique/Sabretooth thing, nor do I want to see Cable back on the X-Men. He works best apart from the team.

As for the choices of Mystique and Sabretooth...ew. I like them better as villains. I'm sick of all the former villains becoming X-Men.

I have no strong feelings about Rogue, but I dread the avalanche of Rogue-angst upcoming events are sure to produce.

And wait a minute...didn't Milligan say something about a brand new character joining the team?

[protege]

I think I'm gonna start reading Xmen again- what's the roster for Uncanny, i wonder?

[Holland]

Rogue & Iceman aren't too shocking.
Gambit, Polaris & Havok being left out isn't too shocking either. I think Gambits fate is sealed after the Apocalypse arc (Out of the X-Men?) And *hopefully* Brubaker will be getting Havok (He seems to like him in Deadly Genesis) while Polaris will be leaving because she is powerless or because she will become a horseman.
Mystique is not too shocking either because of Milligan's current run and Cannonball... well, Brubaker obviously didn't want him.
The biggest shocks then, are Sabretooth & Cable.
Sabretooth just WOULD NOT WORK as an X-Man. Its been tried and it did not work.
He gutted out Psylocke the first time this was tried and then the same thing happened in X-Factor (victims included Mystique & Polaris). The last time he was seen was in X-Men where he was trying to kill everything in sight. He was beaten by Northstar and Wolverine.
If he IS on the team, then it'll have to be a very convincing argument why he should be there.
If they do what they did with Mystique, Emma Frost & Juggernaut ("Everyone villain deserves a chance!") then I'll be annoyed as he's been given a chance more than once.

Cable is easily acceptable but what would this mean for his Cable & Deadpool book?

This does not seem like a Milligan roster to me if I'm being honest.

[streator]

nice deadly genesis artwork. if uncanny is spinning out of it, maybe that means rachel and havok are going to stick around.
it also sounds like uncanny is going to have a new artist.

sounds like x-men will have a new creative team as well.
and the roster? cable, mystique, rogue, cannonball, sabretooth, and iceman? i really don't see the x-men trusting sabretooth again. strange.

anyway, we'll hear more specifics next week.

edit: and it sounds like marvel took claremont off uncanny, not cc leaving of his own choice. regardless, i'm excited to see what brubaker will do with the book.

[PerfectBrak]

Any guesses on the Uncanny roster?

I'd guess Havok, Marvel Girl, Bishop, Nightcrawler, and Psylocke maybe joined by Angel or a new character from Deadly Genesis.

[lament]

I can accept Mystique. My major problems with this roster are Cable and Sabretooth. I like Cable, but not as an X-Man. As for Sabretooth, it's just too much of a stretch for me. What? We can't have Wolverine on the team, so we'll go with Sabretooth?

I would have preferred Northstar and one of the New Mutants...Warpath or Magma perhaps.

If this roster is genuine, I'll probably jettison the title. :(

[Steven F.]

CC has confirmed Betsy will not be staying on Uncanny.

[Beast]

Like I said elsewhere:

I don't know, it could work. We don't know what sort of situation Sabretooth is in post HoM/Decimation, so working with the good guys in the same capacity as Wolverine used to, as the gruff and hated loner might work. I wish Cable wasn't here though, god... I hate him. But at least this hopefully means the end of Cable/Deadpool. Sorry for those of you who like it. :p

[Doom Hammer]

Cable, Mystique, Rogue, Cannonball, Sabretooth, and Iceman.

Ew.

If this is for real, there's a chance of me dropping X-Men. Not out of spite or outrage, just disinterest.

I like my Cable with my Deadpool. I'm not all that interested in ambiguous-hero Mystique at the moment. Rogue has never been a big attraction, and Cannonball is not enough for me to pick up the book. Sabretooth has been an incredible loser lately, and who the hell knows/cares what's going on with Iceman?!

And I know I'm not yet aware of what's in store, but for anyone who does read C&D, why the hell would Cable join an incarnation of the X-Men which has two major villains in it? As ruler of Providence, he is under enough scrutiny and pressure, but his reputation and his person would be completely destroyed by this move. He has neither the time and energy nor the public ability to do this.

I sense an end to Cable and Deadpool. If that does haooen, I'll have a legitimate reason to hate this change. Right now it's disinterest, bit the claws could easily come out.

I was thinking about dropping it for a while, and this kind of shift would be enough to do it for me. The X-Men are in a constant state of upheaval anymore. ReLoad, House of M, Decimation, and now this.

X-Men would have to have one kick-ass writer and a phenomenal artist to make me even vaguely interested in this cast.

[protege]

Out of this roster, I'm only interested in Cannonball and Iceman. The rest? Meh. I do NOT want to read a rehash of the Mystique/Sabretooth thing, nor do I want to see Cable back on the X-Men. He works best apart from the team.

As for the choices of Mystique and Sabretooth...ew. I like them better as villains. I'm sick of all the former villains becoming X-Men.

I have no strong feelings about Rogue, but I dread the avalanche of Rogue-angst upcoming events are sure to produce.

And wait a minute...didn't Milligan say something about a brand new character joining the team?
Sorry- i don't agree with your assesment of Cable- but then,. I just like seeing team books more than individuual ones.

[Register]

Yeah, I agree, the line-up is weird. but I love the idea that everyone is in seperate titles now, maybe this'll keep continuity in line.

[Jagernaut]

If they cancel Cable/Deadpool for this. I'm kicing JQ in the stones. If it's not cancelled, then the antics will ensue tenfold.

[Doom Hammer]

Like I said elsewhere:

I don't know, it could work. We don't know what sort of situation Sabretooth is in post HoM/Decimation, so working with the good guys in the same capacity as Wolverine used to, as the gruff and hated loner might work. I wish Cable wasn't here though, god... I hate him. But at least this hopefully means the end of Cable/Deadpool. Sorry for those of you who like it. :p

Like I said elsewhere:

I don't like you. :evilangry

:D

I don't like Cable either, for what it's worth...C&D was the first time he's been a really awesome character, and it's because he's in an entirely new and interesting role. Please don't let this book revert him to the crappy gun-toting grizzly guy just because...please?

Ooh! I know!

Screw C&D! Cable's gone...make room for

DEADPOOL'S SOLO!

...*dreams pleasantly, away from the bitter world where C&D is cancelled and Deadpool has no solo*...

[X-Men Forever]

Having Cable and Sam together again on a team will be great to see. And with the rest of the roster listed by Joe, it looks like X-Men will be a lot like X-Force was in the early 90's, a mutant strike force.

[(NO)]

I think the Uncanny line-up will be Havok, Marvel Girl, Nightcrawler, Bishop and Polaris. I'm still holding out hope that Gambit, as a good guy or villian, will end up on Uncanny. Sadly, it doesn't look that way right now. :(

[Beast]

I think the Uncanny line-up will be Havok, Marvel Girl, Nightcrawler, Bishop and Polaris. I'm still holding out hope that Gambit, as a good guy or villian, will end up on Uncanny. Sadly, it doesn't look that way right now. :(
Dark Beast will be one of the members of Uncanny, mark my words. :)

[Quarterwolf]

CC has confirmed Betsy will not be staying on Uncanny.

Where did he say this? Linkage if possible.

[Will.S]

That's a very interesting roster and I like it. I wonder what the creative team will be behind it, I'm mostly interested in Sabertooth's reason for being there. Perhaps they're going to try to do a whole AoA type of turnaround but the guy just seems beyond reedeemable at this point.

I also wonder who's going to be leading this team. Best bet seems to be Cable but Rogue could be another possibility.

[(NO)]

Dark Beast will be one of the members of Uncanny, mark my words. :)
Gambit will probably join up with the Marvel Zombies. :(

[Doom Hammer]

Having Cable and Sam together again on a team will be great to see. And with the rest of the roster listed by Joe, it looks like X-Men will be a lot like X-Force was in the early 90's, a mutant strike force.

Is that supposed to be a selling point?! :confused:

[X-Men Forever]

It looks like i am the only person around here so far to be excited about Cable and Cannonball together again on the same team. And with characters like Mystique and Sabretooth joining them, it looks like X-Men is going to be a lot like the early 90's X-Force team of mutant commandos.

[Mitsaso]

Noooooooooooo!!!!! :eek:

I really hope that that line-up that Quesada gave us is just BS.
I (obviously) love Iceman and I like Rogue and Mystique, but I bloody HATE Cable and Sabretooth and Canonball is just meh. :mad:

At least if Milligan stays I'll be willing to keep reading the book. And if Doop joins as a team mascot (why should Lockheed be any better? :mad: ) then I'd be all for it!

Here's hoping it's all a joke, that Iceman-Rogue-Mystique-Doop-Polaris-whoever is the REAL line-up and that Milligan keeps writing them (unless he launches a new X-Statix book, then I'd allow him to go ;) ).

Or maybe I'm just asking for too much...

[AnthonyJ]

Where did he say this? Linkage if possible.
Already posted this, but:
http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/forums/showpost.php?p=1166946&postcount=171

[X-Men Forever]

Is that supposed to be a selling point?! :confused:

It sold me, if Milligan is booted off X-Men as well.

[Flameworthy]

Darn, and here I thought Sunfire was going to join the team.:mad: I guess I won't be picking this book up regularly after the Apocalypse arc after all.

I hate Cable, and I could really care less about Mystique and Sabertooth. Though, why any of the X-Men would trust those two to be on the team is beyond me. I really hope this is some kind of stupid joke.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

With Cable getting the X-Men role why not have Deadpool join in Uncanny finally ? That would be a hoot to see Wade as a gym teacher trying to control himself with Cable around as well as Wolverine !


I'd like to see Havok , Marvel Girl , Nightcrawler , Bishop , Deadpool , Angel and Rogue as members.


If Brubaker saves Alex Summers from what Milligan has done to him he'll get my thanks. Alex should be leading a team. Not cowaring in fear at each woman or being a loved based fool .


Milligan gets a whole new roster to piss on. Can't ya wait to see how he writes Cable from 1990 or how he handles Sabertooth from 1994 ? ;)

[Beast]

At least if Milligan stays I'll be willing to keep reading the book.
Milligan's not staying, at least according to Quesada's tease. :)

[Brian M.]

Yea he said there would be creative changes to the title.

[X-Men Forever]

Milligan gets a whole new roster to piss on. Can't ya wait to see how he writes Cable from 1990 or how he handles Sabertooth from 1994 ? ;)

It was hinted at in the interview that Milligan is getting the boot, thank God.

[Henry T.]

Claremont said in the Uncanny topic at the Comix-fan forums that Rachel would be staying on Uncanny and that Psylocke would not be.

http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/

Originally Posted by Chris Claremont
Dear One-&-All:

To the best of my knowledge, my final issue on Uncanny is the concluding issue of the "First Fallen" arc, with Chris Bachalo, #474. Rachel will be staying in Uncanny, Betsy will not.

Cordially,

Chris Claremont

[Loestal]

Unless something changes in Cable and Deadpool....Cable being there makes no sense at all.

[lament]

I really hope this is some kind of stupid joke.

That's what I'm hoping. I was just starting to warm up to this title, and so they drop a roster like this into my lap? Not happy. :mad:

[Michael P]

That lineup doesn't interest me much, but I do have to give a nod to any team where Iceman is the level-headed, responsible one.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

It was hinted at in the interview that Milligan is getting the boot, thank God.


I want that in writing ! I wanna see Milligan gone baby. Ohhh yeahhh....the stars will be out tomorrow !! Lets do a dance :D

Brubaker on Uncanny and.....??? ( perhaps Claremont shifts to X-Men.) ;)


If Cable/Deadpool is ending the new writer maybe Fabian N. Having Cable there maybe something he wanted.

[spoon_jenkins]

As for the choices of Mystique and Sabretooth...ew. I like them better as villains. I'm sick of all the former villains becoming X-Men.
Me too. I don't like villains joining unless it seems to be organic and make sense. There are certain villains who I don't think the X-Men would embrace or would serious change they're ways. Sabretooth is one of those. And while I haven't followed all the Mystique stuff in recent years, I have similar impression about her.

Maybe he was just kidding about the roster. :p

[cowboyfunk]

Sabertooth doesn't make any sense. It would take A LOT to justify his place on the team. That aside...it's a much better roster than the present one.

[Beast]

I want that in writing ! I wanna see Milligan gone baby. Ohhh yeahhh....the stars will be out tomorrow !! Lets do a dance :D

Brubaker on Uncanny and.....??? ( perhaps Claremont shifts to X-Men.) ;)


If Cable/Deadpool is ending the new writer maybe Fabian N. Having Cable there maybe something he wanted.
I wouldn't mind that, but it sounds more like Quesada's going for people who have done hot miniseries in recent months or who have big word of mouth. God, let's hope it's not Bendis. :(

[lament]

That lineup doesn't interest me much, but I do have to give a nod to any team where Iceman is the level-headed, responsible one.

Iceman as the level-headed, responsible one? Now that's a scary thought! :p

[Brian M.]

Maybe Fabian will get X-Men?

[DDM]

CC has confirmed Betsy will not be staying on Uncanny.

Psylocke will more than likely move to New Excalibur so Claremonnt can still write her...

[protege]

That's a very interesting roster and I like it. I wonder what the creative team will be behind it, I'm mostly interested in Sabertooth's reason for being there. Perhaps they're going to try to do a whole AoA type of turnaround but the guy just seems beyond reedeemable at this point.

I also wonder who's going to be leading this team. Best bet seems to be Cable but Rogue could be another possibility.
The only thing that could make me happier would be if the new Sunfire rejoined the Xmen...

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I wouldn't mind that, but it sounds more like Quesada's going for people who have done hot miniseries in recent months or who have big word of mouth. God, let's hope it's not Bendis. :(


Here comes entire issues where Cable talks to Iceman about his mission over and over. And Mystique talkin to Sabertooth a long time as well.

[DDM]

Milligan's not staying, at least according to Quesada's tease. :)

Great! I may pick up X-Men depending who the writer is...

[Beast]

Here comes entire issues where Cable talks to Iceman about his mission over and over. And Mystique talkin to Sabertooth a long time as well.
And then Scarlet Witch keeps popping out of closets and doorways saying "No more popcorn" or "No more toiletpaper." And Mojo joins the cast as the camera man. :D

[X-Men Forever]

Sabertooth doesn't make any sense. It would take A LOT to justify his place on the team. That aside...it's a much better roster than the present one.

Sabretooth makes sense to me because he is one of my favorite X-characters, and I agree about this roster being better than the current one.

[LoneWolf21]

That lineup doesn't interest me much, but I do have to give a nod to any team where Iceman is the level-headed, responsible one.

Well Cannonball is on the roster as well.

[Beast]

Unless something changes in Cable and Deadpool....Cable being there makes no sense at all.
Cable and Deadpool will probably be cancelled. :)

[Jake V]

The inclusion of Mystique and Cable makes it sounds like someone's dream espionage team. Maybe X-Men will have a completely different direction than Uncanny or Astonishing. The roster could be really cool if the story is right.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Could it be Peter David ? I mean the entire book seems to be X-Force/X-Factorish with Mystique,Sabertooth , Cable & Cannonball . Its not a lineup I never really pictured before..so who knows.

[ibrakeforchinwe]

Did i mention how much total dumb ass crap this all is?

Well yeah it is.

[X-Men Forever]

Cable and Deadpool will probably be cancelled. :)

I feel the same way as you about this book Beast. If it is canned, no big deal :) .

[Beast]

Could it be Peter David ? I mean the entire book seems to be X-Force/X-Factorish with Mystique,Sabertooth , Cable & Cannonball . Its not a lineup I never really pictured before..so who knows.
I don't know, I think PAD prefers just his lil untouched corner of the X-Universe. :)

[Jake V]

I don't know, I think PAD prefers just his lil untouched corner of the X-Universe. :)
Which this book might be if it goes off in it's own direction.

[X-Men Forever]

Did i mention how much total dumb ass crap this all is?

Well yeah it is.

Not for me. Cannonball and Sabretooth are 2 of my top 10 favorite X-Characters, so having them together on the same team makes me :) :D .

[LoneWolf21]

Cable and Deadpool will probably be cancelled. :)

So with Spider-Girl going, and if Cable & Deadpool goes, Marvel will have canceled two of it's better books.

Sigh....

[DDM]

Sabretooth & Mystique are probably put on the team because of X3.

[Beast]

Which this book might be if it goes off in it's own direction.
True, but I don't think it will be PAD. They wanted fresh and hip, and well... PAD's not really either. He's old and crusty like CC, which works for his Noirish book. :)

[Jake V]

Sabretooth & Mystique are probably put on the team because of X3.
How do you figure that? Sabertooth isn't in X3.

[X-Men Forever]

Sabretooth & Mystique are probably put on the team because of X3.

Is Sabretooth in X3? I had no idea. I sure hope he is.

[Beast]

Is Sabretooth in X3? I had no idea. I sure hope he is.
No, Sabretooth is not in X-Men 3. :)

[X-Men Forever]

No, Sabretooth is not in X-Men 3. :)

Well if he can't be in X3, at least he will be in the X-Men monthly comic book :D .

[Beast]

Well if he can't be in X3, at least he will be in the X-Men monthly comic book :D .
Good thing that Wolverine is leaving, or every issue would turn into a 'Cat Fight'. :D

[Holland]

Maybe Cable & Deadpool will become Deadpool?
What reason would Cable have to join the X-Books again anyway? Apart from Sam, he doesn't even really know any of that roster.
I don't think it would work at all if he came in and became leader. It wouild seem like early X-Force all over...

[X-Men Forever]

Good thing that Wolverine is leaving, or every issue would turn into a 'Cat Fight'. :D

Now if we can only get Dark Beast in Uncanny, then the X-Men will have 2 of their best bad boys in the X-Men.

[Doom Hammer]

Cable and Deadpool will probably be cancelled. :)

Why ya' gotta break balls? :(

[X-Men Forever]

Maybe Cable & Deadpool will become Deadpool?
What reason would Cable have to join the X-Books again anyway? Apart from Sam, he doesn't even really know any of that roster.
I don't think it would work at all if he came in and became leader. It wouild seem like early X-Force all over...

Early X-Force once Liefeld left, was a great monthly read. Nicieza and Capullo did some great stuff in early X-force.

[Beast]

Now if we can only get Dark Beast in Uncanny, then the X-Men will have 2 of their best bad boys in the X-Men.
Give Uncanny X-Men Dark Beast and Toad, and that would be rocking. :)

[fishtaco]

It looks like i am the only person around here so far to be excited about Cable and Cannonball together again on the same team. And with characters like Mystique and Sabretooth joining them, it looks like X-Men is going to be a lot like the early 90's X-Force team of mutant commandos.Cable and Cannonball on the same team would be nice, but I don't want to see anymore of the Mystique/Sabretooth dynamic. Not that it was a bad thing or anything, but I just don't want to read about it anymore.

[Neolucifer]

Unless something changes in Cable and Deadpool....Cable being there makes no sense at all.

Well supposedly they are dealing with Apocalypse's return as well in Cable Deadpool
This pretty much answer my questions about weither Apocalypse will stay there only for an arc , or will become a real and regular foe of the Xmen .

Pocy is taking gambit and possibly sunfire or another xmen with his grasp ,and probably heavily scaring/hurting/traumatizing the rest of the team .
Cable on his side , already expressed that ever since the prophecy of Pocy's death was fullfilled , he has felt himself being useless and without purpose , probably hence his once desire to become a new messiah .

I guess that Cable getting the news of his return , will go hunt some Pocy again , along with deadpool , and in the process might start a new x team on his island with iceman and a questionable crew . Or could as well stay in the mansion for the same purposes .

I am liking the roster so far , even thought "hero" Sabretooth could be something really sucky if in the wrong hands . Now i'm pretty waiting for the new writer's name , and for some info about Deadpool's future .

Is he getting finally again his own solo (i loved C/Dp starting the second story arc , but it could never be superior to DP's old ongoing) ? And then who would get the duty (please someone like PAD or Slott , anwyay someone really talented and funny!!) ?
Or is he a new member of Cable's xmen team ? I would love it , but then again it would make for an even more questionable ad hardcore xmen team , and possibly sucky , if again in the wrong hands .
Or could he be joining the Uncanny X team ? (i'd so love it!)

Or maybe , but that more a porno fantasy than a possibility .. he is getting both X membership , and his solo ? :D

[Loestal]

No...Cable is going to make an alliance with Apocalypse...according to the brief description of ...I think next months Cable and Deadpool. Which...just hurts my head to try to make sense of it.

[X-Men Forever]

No...Cable is going to make an alliance with Apocalypse...according to the brief description of ...I think next months Cable and Deadpool. Which...just hurts my head to try to make sense of it.

Just how powerfull is Cable currently? If Apocalypse does not want any of him, Cable must be one bad mofo.

[Nick Kal]

I don't like the roster. I'll just buy the otehr 2 X-Books I guess.

As for CC saying Psylocke is leaving.. she doesn't necessarily have to join another team.. she could die, again...

[Beast]

I don't like the roster. I'll just buy the otehr 2 X-Books I guess.

As for CC saying Psylocke is leaving.. she doesn't necessarily have to join another team.. she could die, again...
That would be the most screwed up thing ever. And CC already said she appears in New Excalibur #8. :)

[Loestal]

Just how powerfull is Cable currently? If Apocalypse does not want any of him, Cable must be one bad mofo.

Cable has lost all of his Telepathic/Telekenetic powers. He now is linked to the Dominus objective thing, which means he can like access basically all information that goes thru computers or some such shit. Basically, he has a strange form of broadband internet and guns now. He is nothing compared to what he was, Deadpool could kill him now. He is nothing compare to Apocalypse at this point.

Before, he telekenisis was at the X-man level.

[Cayman]

I don't know, maybe I'm too cynical, but the line-up just seems so random, I feel like Joey Q is pulling our leg.

And is Milligan staying on X-Men, or is he too getting shifted around?

Ugh, with that horrible line-up, I hope he's leaving.

Cay

[X-Men Forever]

Cable has lost all of his Telepathic/Telekenetic powers. He now is linked to the Dominus objective thing, which means he can like access basically all information that goes thru computers or some such shit. Basically, he has a strange form of broadband internet and guns now. He is nothing compared to what he was, Deadpool could kill him now. He is nothing compare to Apocalypse at this point.

Before, he telekenisis was at the X-man level.

:eek: I had no idea Cable had lost his mutant powers. Nicieza is awesome, but what is he doing to Cable :confused: .

[Loestal]

:eek: I had no idea Cable had lost his mutant powers. Nicieza is awesome, but what is he doing to Cable :confused: .

He wasn't Decimated...he lobotomized himself because the strain of his powers was killing him.

[fishtaco]

And Mojo joins the cast as the camera man. :DWhy would Mojo be the cameraman when he has Psylocke for that? :p

[Beast]

Why would Mojo be the cameraman when he has Psylocke for that? :p
Psylocke doesn't have her TV Camera Peepers anymore. :p

[Siddon]

It makes a lot of sense to put Cable on the team. Cable and Deadpool the comic is a huge hit (well its hit 25) so Joe Q obviously wants to tie the title with the X-men. Deadpool doesn't belong on the X-men so this way they can have the two titles cross-over and if that doesn't boost Cable and Deadpools sales they can just move Deadpool into X-men.

Sabertooth....

If its Frank Tieri writing this comic and writing Sabertooth more power to him.

Unless its the Exiles version of Sabertooth.....

[Neolucifer]

And Mojo joins the cast as the camera man

Bah Mojo is beyond that !! he'll be getting full access to the whole multiverse thanks to the Exiles . Its as if he discovered the internet!!! :D

[Doom Hammer]

Cable has lost all of his Telepathic/Telekenetic powers. He now is linked to the Dominus objective thing, which means he can like access basically all information that goes thru computers or some such shit. Basically, he has a strange form of broadband internet and guns now. He is nothing compared to what he was, Deadpool could kill him now. He is nothing compare to Apocalypse at this point.

Before, he telekenisis was at the X-man level.

I think he's gonna use the rudimentary "Cone of Silence" project to restore his telekinesis. It's basically a energy shield, so if he could control it and make it assume various shapes and whatnot, it would effectively restore his telekinesis...in a roundabout way, fulfilling the next solicit that "Our quest for knowledge restored his telepathy. Our quest for power restored his telekinesis".

[protege]

He wasn't Decimated...he lobotomized himself because the strain of his powers was killing him.
I haven't been following Cable since his last stint in the Xmen- what's been going on with him?

[protege]

Maybe Cable & Deadpool will become Deadpool?
What reason would Cable have to join the X-Books again anyway? Apart from Sam, he doesn't even really know any of that roster.
I don't think it would work at all if he came in and became leader. It wouild seem like early X-Force all over...
I think Rogue was on the same team he was, last time around.Wait, does Rogue still have Sunfire's powers? And didn't Cannonball have a mad on for Cable in the Xforce miniseries, or did He get over it?

[Beast]

I think Rogue was on the same team he was, last time around.Wait, does Rogue still have Sunfire's powers?
Yes, Rogue does still have Sunfire's powers. :)

[Uncle Nobs]

I don't mean to sound like a jackass by just jumping on a thread to say, "Who cares?" but seriously...

The roster just depends on what kind of story the writer wants to tell. If the roster fits the story, and the writer's decent, we're all good. I'll hold off judgment until I know who's writing and what he/she is trying to do. At this point, the roster sounds weird enough for me to at least assume there's probably a reason for it.

[Beast]

I don't mean to sound like a jackass by just jumping on a thread to say, "Who cares?" but seriously...

The roster just depends on what kind of story the writer wants to tell. If the roster fits the story, and the writer's decent, we're all good. I'll hold off judgment until I know who's writing and what he/she is trying to do. At this point, the roster sounds weird enough for me to at least assume there's probably a reason for it.
The people wanting to discuss it obviously care. Isn't that what a 'Discssion Forum' is for? :)

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I never really thought a price increase was on the horizen til I clicked the link. Its really Bullshit to keep doing it each year. Sooner or later these things won't be given away after ya piss away everyone , Joe. Keep raising the books....more gets cancelled for this reason because people have damn budgets.

Yeah....you raised comics to $ 2.50 last year. Give us a damn break...for once. Don't jack up prices to the 3 dollar mark and expect us all to grin happy because a lot of us will give you the damn finger and never come back.

I'm tired of it. Give us all a break and stop the damn price gouging. You won't have a market to f-ck over in 10 years if this keeps up. Because everyone will stop and go to other enertainment and you'll be left running a comic book line that won't turn salt.

And Hollywood....well you better hope Hollywood is kind to you. But burning us away lets see who ya turn to once Hollywood isn't there . I'd love to see an answer to solving comics prices rather than " Well lets mark em up 25 more cents . Those suckers will pay it."

I'm so glad a lotta my Marvel books will be dropped soon. I'll keep 3 to 5 Marvel titles from now on.

[Beast]

I never really thought a price increase was on the horizen til I clicked the link. Its really Bullshit to keep doing it each year. Sooner or later these things won't be given away after ya piss away everyone , Joe. Keep raising the books....more gets cancelled for this reason because people have damn budgets.

Yeah....you raised comics to $ 2.50 last year. Give us a damn break...for once. Don't jack up prices to the 3 dollar mark and expect us all to grin happy because a lot of us will give you the damn finger and never come back.

I'm tired of it. Give us all a break and stop the damn price gouging. You won't have a market to f-ck over in 10 years if this keeps up. Because everyone will stop and go to other enertainment and you'll be left running a comic book line that won't turn salt.

And Hollywood....well you better hope Hollywood is kind to you. But burning us away lets see who ya turn to once Hollywood isn't there . I'd love to see an answer to solving comics prices rather than " Well lets mark em up 25 more cents . Those suckers will pay it."

I'm so glad a lotta my Marvel books will be dropped soon. I'll keep 3 to 5 Marvel titles from now on.
Most of the books were already $2.99, other than the 'Flagship' and some of the 'Ultimate' titles. Almost everything goes up yearly, due to the interest rates and other factors. Also readers complaining about the ads and how they were laid out may have caused the price increase to come about just a bit quicker as well. It's not like it's something that the companies want to do, but Marvel is almost forced to. After all, they aren't backed by Warner Brothers like DC is, so don't have the big bucks backing them. :)

[Uncle Nobs]

The people wanting to discuss it obviously care. Isn't that what a 'Discssion Forum' is for? :)
I get that. That's why I started with the disclaimer. Just making a point in the discussion that a weird roster doesn't necessarily mean it's weird just for the sake of being weird.

[Crash-Man]

Hey X-Fans! Guess what!

ALL-NEW TEAM! ALL-NEW DIRECTION!!

[Doom Hammer]

I haven't been following Cable since his last stint in the Xmen- what's been going on with him?

He got interesting in Cable and Deadpool.

After a lot of planning, Cable put himself in a position to save the world by sacrificing himself for the benefit of the future, acting as a modern day Christ figure, to make the world think about their potential for good.

Then a bunch of wonky stuff happened that was pretty entertaining, and Cable was revived. But the first 12 issues of Cable and Deadpool are comic book gold, man. The rest are very good, but the first 12 are gold.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Most of the books were already $2.99, other than the 'Flagship' and some of the 'Ultimate' titles. Almost everything goes up yearly, due to the interest rates and other factors. Also readers complaining about the ads and how they were laid out may have caused the price increase to come about just a bit quicker as well. It's not like it's something that the companies want to do, but Marvel is almost forced to. After all, they aren't backed by Warner Brothers like DC is, so don't have the big bucks backing them. :)


Then get a solution damn it. Stop milking us. Because with this I'm only gonna go thru and cut books from the list just like a few others will do. Its gonna cannonball.

The flagship books sold well as we've seen. Its just an excuse. 3 to 5 books remain. This is 2 price increases in 2 years. Screw that...looks like more books will fail are on the horizen.

[Doom Hammer]

Hey X-Fans! Guess what!

ALL-NEW TEAM! ALL-NEW DIRECTION!!

It has less of an impact when there's three ongoing core X-books, as well as several side books. Comparing it to GSXM#1, which is what I think you're trying to do here, is just inaccurate.

It's just a ragtag team that will assemble for some perfectly-explainable reason that I just don't care about. I don't like the constant flux in the X-books, and I don't like the line-up of characters. It's all very fair, as you can see. Grim and gritty X-Men - which is what you get when you mix the 90s with villains on what should be a super-hero team - is not something that interests me, even from the most basic of descriptions.

It's like Joey's trying to force a bunch of changes he knows won't stick, like Spider-Man's new costume, for example. And normally it wouldn't bother me, because shake-ups are good, but with the X-verse still reeling from House of M and Decimation, I just don't care for or care about this change.

[X-Men Forever]

It's like Joey's trying to force a bunch of changes he knows won't stick, like Spider-Man's new costume, for example. And normally it wouldn't bother me, because shake-ups are good, but with the X-verse still reeling from House of M and Decimation, I just don't care for or care about this change.

I am excited about the X-Men writer changes because I have not really enjoyed any X-Men stories since the original A.O.A. stuff. I figure the new writers can't be any worse than anything else in the last 10 years, and could possibly be better.

[Beast]

Anyone else noticed that this seems to be following one of Claremont's old plans, just like recent stories have scrounged from his unused ideas, such as 'Evil Wolverine'. This is almost shadowing CC's plans for the X-Titles around the time that he left. With the 'Summers' running the show and the School while manipulated by Stryfe?

Astonishing - Leader: Scott Summers (Cyclops)
Uncanny - Leader: Alex Summers (Havok) - Likely
X-Men - Leader: Nathan Summers (Cable) - Likely

[hybrid73]

well I won't judge till later but I think I maybe dropping "X-Men" from my comic list, There really isn't an X-Men I really like in the roaster. So I really want to know whos in Uncanny.Why is Mystique an X-Men, Did her dumb plan work or something?

[Beast]

well I won't judge till later but I think I maybe dropping "X-Men" from my comic list, There really isn't an X-Men I really like in the roaster. So I really want to know whos in Uncanny.Why is Mystique an X-Men, Did her dumb plan work or something?
She was voted in at the end of the Foxx arc, but left before anyone could tell her. :)

[Young Avenger]

The New X-Men roster is interesting to say the least. What really caught my eye is Sabretooth joining the team. I'm a huge Sabretooth fan and him joining the X-Men makes no sense at all. It will probably be Sabretooth from Exiles but I highly doubt it.

[X-Men Forever]

The New X-Men roster is interesting to say the least. What really caught my eye is Sabretooth joining the team. I'm a huge Sabretooth fan and him joining the X-Men makes no sense at all.

I am a huge Sabretooth fan as well, and if he joins I'm sure the writer will have a good explination for it. Whether the explination is convincing or not, we will have to wait and see about this.

[Sharcque]

I just don't get Sabretooth being an X-Man at all! No matter how they spin it, it's BS! This is the guy that murdered Copycat, just to mess with Deadpool! Not to mention the Morlocks.....just stupid!

The rest of the team, I'm down with. Especially Cable & Cannonball.

[protege]

So is Xmen a monthly title, or what?

[Beast]

So is Xmen a monthly title, or what?
Yeah... it's Adjectiveless X-Men, the 2nd Flagship X-Men title that was launched in 1991. :)

[Faded]

The book that I felt had one of the more promising casts (if not a bit incomplete) has turned into this. I don't mind the randomness, as its something I think makes sense given the world's circumstances (ya gotta take who ya can). But its particular members I'm just not pleased with.

Too bad about Betsy not staying in Uncanny.

[Sharcque]

The book that I felt had one of the more promising casts (if not a bit incomplete) has turned into this. I don't mind the randomness, as its something I think makes sense given the world's circumstances (ya gotta take who ya can). But its particular members I'm just not pleased with.

Too bad about Betsy not staying in Uncanny.
Who says Betsy's not staying in Uncanny? I didn't read the whole article, just the X-Men line-up part....

[the Hornet]

I want that in writing ! I wanna see Milligan gone baby. Ohhh yeahhh....the stars will be out tomorrow !! Lets do a dance :D

Brubaker on Uncanny and.....??? ( perhaps Claremont shifts to X-Men.) ;)


If Cable/Deadpool is ending the new writer maybe Fabian N. Having Cable there maybe something he wanted.



Would love to have CC on X-Men, if it means he still runs the show in one of the core books. But it makes no sense to change writers like this. Better to just put Ed in XAdjectiveless. Also, I always thought Iceman could be CC's least favorite original member....so I doubt it will be CC. Wish it will be though.

[Beast]

Who says Betsy's not staying in Uncanny? I didn't read the whole article, just the X-Men line-up part....
Chris Claremont said that Rachel is staying with Uncanny, but Betsy will not be. :)

[the Hornet]

Maybe Cable & Deadpool will become Deadpool?
What reason would Cable have to join the X-Books again anyway? Apart from Sam, he doesn't even really know any of that roster.
I don't think it would work at all if he came in and became leader. It wouild seem like early X-Force all over...

The roster would work if the writer respects continuity and the character growth over the years. Cable is a different man as compared to the 90s Liefeld version. Sam has grown up tremoundously. In fact he should be leader. Cable can take on an advisory role to his former student/prodigy.

[Sharcque]

Chris Claremont said that Rachel is staying with Uncanny, but Betsy will not be. :)

She going back into Limbo? Or maybe join New Excalibur? :)

[Beast]

She going back into Limbo? Or maybe join New Excalibur? :)
Unsure right now. He said as of now, she's only making an appearance in NEX #8. :)

[Nick Kal]

What # or they up to in NEX?

[Beast]

What # or they up to in NEX?
New Excalibur #3 just came out a couple weeks ago. :)

[Sharcque]

I have a hard time believing that he'd bring her back just to put her on the shelf again.

[Nick Kal]

New Excalibur #3 just came out a couple weeks ago. :)

Well then #8 should be out by June.. and Brubaker is on Uncanny in July.. so Psylocke could still die...

[Beast]

Well then #8 should be out by June.. and Brubaker is on Uncanny in July.. so Psylocke could still die...
He wouldn't fight for four years to get her back, just to kill her off again. :p

[Nick Kal]

He wouldn't fight for four years to get her back, just to kill her off again. :p

If he can't write her anymore then he'll take her out in a furious rage!

[Beast]

If he can't write her anymore then he'll take her out in a furious rage!
I seriously doubt that, especially since Quesada said that there wouldn't be anymore pointless character death. She'll be used for something somewhere, perhaps another fringe title like New Excalibur that he's developing. :)

[Faded]

I don't know where Betsy is headed--but I read Claremont's comments as she's not going to be in neither NEX nor Uncanny. I don't see her dying either though.

[Beast]

I don't know where Betsy is headed--but I read Claremont's comments as she's not going to be in neither NEX nor Uncanny. I don't see her dying either though.
Yeah, like I said... maybe CC has another fringe title he's been working on to launch around the same time. Another 'X-Treme' sort of book, disconnected from the main X-Books somewhat like New Excalibur already is. :)

[streator]

Yeah, like I said... maybe CC has another fringe title he's been working on to launch around the same time. Another 'X-Treme' sort of book, disconnected from the main X-Books somewhat like New Excalibur already is. :)
i doubt that will happen.
she will be around somewhere, but not in an entirely new book.
i don't see the line supporting another ongoing.

[Beast]

i doubt that will happen.
she will be around somewhere, but not in an entirely new book.
i don't see the line supporting another ongoing.
Now that's just silly. We have how many Ongoings right now? And with a couple of them ending soon, including likely Cable/Deadpool, there's plenty of room for yet another ongoing. :)

[the Hornet]

Yeah, like I said... maybe CC has another fringe title he's been working on to launch around the same time. Another 'X-Treme' sort of book, disconnected from the main X-Books somewhat like New Excalibur already is. :)

I am not sure what direction Uncanny will take but I liked the whole Mutant Marshall thing. With Astonishing's team taking on the teaching and role-model role, I wouldn't mind Adjectiveless being a about a team disconnected from everyone else, doing their own thing to fight for their belief. Away from the mansion and all. Again, with the right story, the book would be good again.

[Twigglet]

Meh, I'm more interested in the creatorsd more than anyone else.

It's nice to see Milligan having a good run on the X-men, it's been cool reading.

I wonder who will take over next? Come on Robert Kirkman!

[streator]

Now that's just silly. We have how many Ongoings right now? And with a couple of them ending soon, including likely Cable/Deadpool, there's plenty of room for yet another ongoing. :)
no, it's not.
if marvel chose to remove cc from uncanny (which it appears they did) i doubt they'll give him another book featuring minor characters.
they cancelled xxm and excalibur (3rd series) for reasons beyond sales, as both were selling decently.
regardless of how many ongoing x-titles exist now/in the future, i don't see marvel giving cc another book (beyond new excalibur) to write.

[steve2275]

roster change b4 or after apoc story?

[Beast]

no, it's not.
if marvel chose to remove cc from uncanny (which it appears they did) i doubt they'll give him another book featuring minor characters.
they cancelled xxm and excalibur (3rd series) for reasons beyond sales, as both were selling decently.
regardless of how many ongoing x-titles exist now/in the future, i don't see marvel giving cc another book (beyond new excalibur) to write.
Quesada hinted at something coming up for CC in his week's Cup Of Joe.

XXM was cancelled because Morrison left and CC was getting moved back over to Uncanny while Austen got X-Men and Whedon got Astonishing. Excalibur (Vol. 3) got cancelled due to House of M and Deadly Genesis making the concept of the book no longer valid in the MU post Decimation.

Quesada is already giving CC yet another book to write for Marvel, he's doing the upcoming NeXt mini that will be coming out later this year. Depending how that sells, who knows... we could see NeXt become a regular thing. :)

[Beast]

roster change b4 or after apoc story?
After. Since the roster won't change until July. :)

[steve2275]

come on
tooth is replacing wolverine :p

[Beast]

come on
tooth is replacing wolverine :p
Good. Sabretooth is everything Wolverine used to be, and so much more. :)

[Twigglet]

After. Since the roster won't change until July. :)

July is a definite?

[Beast]

July is a definite?
Yes. That's the big shake-up month it seems. Blood of Apocalypse will take us through May, and then they'll probably give Milligan two issues like CC to wrap-up his plots and then we'll get the new creative team and roster. I'm sure we'll hear the word for sure, next Cup o' Joe. :)

[Twigglet]

Yes. That's the big shake-up month it seems. Blood of Apocalypse will take us through May, and then they'll probably give Milligan two issues like CC to wrap-up his plots and then we'll get the new creative team and roster. I'm sure we'll hear the word for sure, next Cup o' Joe. :)

I was hoping for more this week :mad:.

Oh well, Milligans had a good run, I've enjoyed it, but I don't want him overstaying his welcome.

[Beast]

I was hoping for more this week :mad:.

Oh well, Milligans had a good run, I've enjoyed it, but I don't want him overstaying his welcome.
I just hope we get someone good to replace him, Hine would likely be great. Watch Milligan really nail the Apocalypse storyline after being mediocre his entire run. Since most people are saying that the HoM issue and End of Grays have been CC's best stuff so far as well. :)

[Jake V]

Come on. How good can an Apocalypse story be?

[Beast]

Come on. How good can an Apocalypse story be?
Classic X-Factor. :)

[aderechelsea]

the roster looks like something that came out of a lottery bin.

Mystique and Sabretooth are cool but not in x-men.

Rogue is trash and Cable seized to be good after Casey stopped writing him back then ...

Iceman is one of my favourites but he looks out of his water in this particular roster.

As for Cannonball ... he looked semi-interesting to me only in his "vs Gladiator" story.

so in general ... crap.

but you know me ... i'll be there to watch from up close.

[Titan76]

I can't wait to hear who the artist will be on Uncanny X-men, I hope its someone who hasn't been on a core X-book yet like Cassaday. I'm glad to hear Milligan will be off X-men, maybe I will pick the book up again depending on who is the writer. And if that is the new roster for X-men, then I won't be picking it up unless it was someone like Alan Moore writting it. I mean Sabertooth, Mystique, and Cable on the X-men?? :confused: :rolleyes: After everything Sabertooth and Mystique have done to the X-men them being on the team sounds dump to me. Cable is just boring to me and I am still hoping Marvel will come to their senses and turn him permently back into a kid again at his suppose to be real age(which is 5 I think) and forget about Cable the way they did Nate Grey. Here's hoping X-men will have a kick ass creative team and a better roster then the one already posted. :)

[Zero Hunter]

Lets see.
Cable - Not a real team player and is a control freak
Sabertooth - stone cold psycho killer who has tried to kill everyone at least once
Mystique - cold blooded killer who has tried to kill many X-men in the past
Rouge - is going to be mess after the Gambit thing
Iceman - don't have any idea since I can't stand Milligans X-men
Cannonball - good choice

To chose all these cahracters in one book is just insane. There is too much history between most to imagine anyway they could work together. I HATE that they keep trying to slide Mystique onto the teams just because she was in the movie. This is a character who was just plain evil for so many years and did so many evil things to just be forgivin. And don't even get me started on Sabertooth. Only way that would work is if it the Exiles Sabertooth for the AOA otherwise it is just retarded.

[streator]

Quesada hinted at something coming up for CC in his week's Cup Of Joe.

XXM was cancelled because Morrison left and CC was getting moved back over to Uncanny while Austen got X-Men and Whedon got Astonishing. Excalibur (Vol. 3) got cancelled due to House of M and Deadly Genesis making the concept of the book no longer valid in the MU post Decimation.

Quesada is already giving CC yet another book to write for Marvel, he's doing the upcoming NeXt mini that will be coming out later this year. Depending how that sells, who knows... we could see NeXt become a regular thing. :)
alright. i know you hold cc in high regard and i am not going to take your response further. i disagree with what you have said, but i don't feel like talking about it anymore right now.

[Bryan Rios]

Cable and Deadpool will probably be cancelled. :)
Didn't Joey Q say sometime about mid-2005 that Cable/Deadpool is guaranteed to be around for atleast two more years?

[Jake V]

Didn't Joey Q say sometime about mid-2005 that Cable/Deadpool is guaranteed to be around for atleast two more years?
It could easily be converted to a solo Deadpool book. I mean, that's what 90% of the audience is there for, right?

[Beast]

Didn't Joey Q say sometime about mid-2005 that Cable/Deadpool is guaranteed to be around for atleast two more years?
I don't see how it can stick around if Cable's going to be in X-Men. Unless they try to pull a 'Wolverine' with Cable, and I don't think he's popular enough for that. The tie-in issues with 'Blood of Apocalypse' just screams to me as the preperation for moving Cable to X-Men and ending the book.

[AnthonyJ]

It could easily be converted to a solo Deadpool book. I mean, that's what 90% of the audience is there for, right?

Deadpool works better with someone to play off against.

[Beast]

Deadpool works better with someone to play off against.
Get him a new straight man. Havok/Deadpool? :D

[Nick Kal]

I just hope Beast stays in Cat form. :)

[Bryan Rios]

I don't see how it can stick around if Cable's going to be in X-Men. Unless they try to pull a 'Wolverine' with Cable, and I don't think he's popular enough for that. The tie-in issues with 'Blood of Apocalypse' just screams to me as the preperation for moving Cable to X-Men and ending the book.
IiiiiiIIIi would actually kind of like to see this. Not the end of the book, of course! That would absolutely KILL me! Taking a chance (and probably failing) with a character that is not terribly popular seems like a somewhat interesting idea to me...

Get him a new straight man. Havok/Deadpool? :D
Or... Shadowcat/Deadpool. Street Fighter all the gosh darned time! :D

[steve2275]

For those who do not want to read the entire interview, here is the roster joe gave for X-Men.

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Cable, Mystique, Rogue, Cannonball, Sabretooth, and Iceman.
its the xforcefactor with rogue as the heartbroke victim :p

[larroca fan]

In this new roster i can see there will be alot more humour and sarcasim. yay a better leader for this team.That means lorna is still out there becasue i cant see her on uncanny and from what i read of the spoilers of #181. Don't mind if milligan goes or stays, hopefully larroca stays on this book his apoc artwork looks amazing, i like the way he drew sabatooth in xtreme x-men.-when rogue used a hologram to make her feel like and look like sabatooth. Gambit will die or stays villian or just goes solo. if larroca does'nt stay on the book then please move him to an x book. Cannonball is the dude, i'm glad he's on the team. same with iceman he rocks. Rogue always been a southern girl, now gambit is'nt on the team she kicks some ass. Cable hate him, just never liked the character. mystique well this is strange will she be a mother to rogue or make her leave. is this the first time Mystique and Rogue have been on the same team since the 90's?.

[Benjamin Ong]

What if Marvel renamed Cable/Deadpool to Deadpool/Gambit? Would you buy it?

Aaaaaaaaaanywaaaaaaaaaay...

There shall always be a Summers... well, at least in 2006.

I mean, come on, think about it. Scott Summers aka Cyclops is/will be in Astonishing.

Nathan Summers aka Cable will be in the new X-Men line-up.

That leaves us with Alex Summers aka Havok. But didn't he leave the X-Men team to be with the now powerless Lorna Dane aka Polaris, right?

And there's Rachel Summers aka the new Phoenix. But she's been in Claremont's Uncanny for many months now. She could still be in Uncanny when Bru takes over but...

... isn't Bru finally introducing the THIRD Summers brother in Deadly Genesis?

So, here's what I think: Each of the X-books will be radically different come June (or is it July?). Cable's team will probably deal with the ramifications of The Blood of Apocalypse arc.

The Astonishing team will deal with the new Hellfire Club.

That leaves us with Uncanny. I suspect that Bru's first Uncanny arc will tackle whatever came out of his Deadly Genesis limited series. They could be going after the 3rd Summers brother. Or the guy could be leading his own team of X-Men, HIS X-Men. I mean, isn't Bru also introducing a new team of X-Men in the pages of Deadly Genesis?

I've not read most of the X-books since Morrison's New X-Men run, although I've been following Whedon's Astonishing and am currently enjoying Bru's Deadly Genesis. But I am CERTAINLY interested in whatever the X-office's planned for this summer.

Bring on the all-new, all-different X-Men! With X3 and the new line-ups in the core X-books, this is certainly the Year of the X (although a certain director by the name of Bryan Singer and writers like Geoff Johns and Grant Morrison might have a different opinion concerning this issue ;) )

[steve2275]

as long as NO ONE DIES im fine with ALL these changes

[Twigglet]

as long as NO ONE DIES im fine with ALL these changes

I hope at least one major character dies and stays dead :)

[steve2275]

whos dat?

[Twigglet]

whos dat?

Anyone really, I don't mind.

[Babylon23]

Well, there's little interest for me in this team, as I'm not a fan of most of the characters. It would take an impressive creative team for me to stick with the book.

As for the general shake-up in the titles:

I'm really sick of all of the reboots of the x-universe. What I'd like to see is some actual stability for a change, and some nice, long runs by creative teams. First we had Revolution, then New, then Reload, then House of M/Decimation, and now this. Every time, team rosters and creative teams get changed or shuffled around.

Maybe it's just that I grew up reading Claremont's initial 17-year run on X-Men. I like seeing creative teams take time to really work with their characters and develop their ideas.

If there's going to be a major shuffle every couple of years, I don't know if I can be bothered hanging around anymore.

[Fede]

................. :mad:

what are these changes? no psylocke in uncanny?i'm not getting excalibur, so she will be missed...Anyway, what is that issue CC is talking about? "first fallen"?? i thought his last arc was going to be "wandering star"....can somebody confirm this?
and polaris and gambit getting to limbo...i dont care for gambit, but i was hoping polaris could get back her powers..

so they put cannonball in uncanny and "two" issues later JQ sends him tp adjectiveless? i liked him in uncanny. and cable just sucks.

i have no problems with sabretooth and mystique joining but... the team doesnt have any appealing character in it. i dont know if i'll pick this, it'll depend on the writer/artist they put in it. :rolleyes:

and with astonishing going bimonthly, it will be a lot more difficult to see it's roster, wich is the greatest one :(

so what does uncanny consist in now? psylocke and cannonball leaving....there's only nightcrawler and bishop!! i'm sure brubaker will keep rachel in it, and would take with him havok as well. but there's a lack of girls!
he could bring jean back, in time for X3...

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Already posted this, but:
http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/forums/showpost.php?p=1166946&postcount=171

Besty not in Uncanny, Adjectiveless, or Astonishing...? :rolleyes:

looks like a Braddock reunion going on over in New Excalibur, then... :D

This would be a great move.

[Havok73]

I'm really sick of all of the reboots of the x-universe. What I'd like to see is some actual stability for a change, and some nice, long runs by creative teams. First we had Revolution, then New, then Reload, then House of M/Decimation, and now this. Every time, team rosters and creative teams get changed or shuffled around.

Maybe it's just that I grew up reading Claremont's initial 17-year run on X-Men. I like seeing creative teams take time to really work with their characters and develop their ideas.

If there's going to be a major shuffle every couple of years, I don't know if I can be bothered hanging around anymore.

OMG Babylon it's time for u to come screaming out of the past. Change is good. It's refreshing to get different creators takes on things once in awhile, instead of letting 1 creative team 'run the show' for so long that they lose focus and eventually become boring. i'll be the first to say that Claremont's run was a milestone but lets face it, it has obviously taken its toll on the man. His current work proves that, as it can be summed up in one word - uninspired. Time for fresh blood i say. Lets give someother characters a chance.

[Dark Phoenix]

I can't believe that I may actually only be buying Astonishing as my only X-Title going forward.

[Babylon23]

OMG Babylon it's time for u to come screaming out of the past. Change is good. It's refreshing to get different creators takes on things once in awhile, instead of letting 1 creative team 'run the show' for so long that they lose focus and eventually become boring. i'll be the first to say that Claremont's run was a milestone but lets face it, it has obviously taken its toll on the man. His current work proves that, as it can be summed up in one word - uninspired. Time for fresh blood i say. Lets give someother characters a chance.

Whenever these big shake-ups occur, the "change is good" argument is always brought up by somebody.

Change is not always a good thing. I can think of plenty of titles where a change in creative team equals a drop in quality (check out the post-Johns issues of Flash as a good example).

IMO, Claremont was really hitting his stride on Uncanny. End of Greys is his best story to date, and the book has been getting consistantly better since House of M. So, just when the book is picking up pace, suddenly Claremont is gone.

These days, it's hard to find books where a creative team hangs around for more than 12 issues. Is it too much to ask for a team to be allowed to work on a book long-term?

[Cestrian]

I have just registered on these forums for the sole reason of pointing out that Cable and Deadpool is greenlighted through at least issue 36 and that everyone should ignore Beast. It's not being cancelled, okay.

On the other hand, I'm disapointed that Marvel are using Cable as an X-man rather than running with the more interesting direction of him as a well intentioned dictator/political trouble maker type.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Not being funny, but hasn't Milligan had plenty time enough to actually try to justify a longer stint on X-Men? He's had plenty time, but failed to deliver anything that's new or truly interesting to the title. He's sat on his laurels and recycled storylines from years ago, because he just wasn't up to the job. Sooner or later you have to make a choice...

Letting him go would be the best move for the book. He just doesn't suit a book with that much history. He doesn't know how to deal with it.

[Twigglet]

Not being funny, but hasn't Milligan had plenty time enough to actually try to justify a longer stint on X-Men? He's had plenty time, but failed to deliver anything that's new or truly interesting to the title. He's sat on his laurels and recycled storylines from years ago, because he just wasn't up to the job. Sooner or later you have to make a choice...

Letting him go would be the best move for the book. He just doesn't suit a book with that much history. He doesn't know how to deal with it.

Sorry.

but what part of Decimation, or What Lorna saw had been seen before?

I an't remember an X-issue where Lorna saw Doop floating in space, or a story where giant sentinals landed at the X-mansion and were there for the good of the X-men.

[wader0069]

I can't believe this. I seriously have been back into comics since Betsy's return, and really only for like four or five months now. Since the books have been shaken up twice now.

What the helll is wrong with Marvel, and where the hell is Betsy going??? :mad:

[Twigglet]

Whenever these big shake-ups occur, the "change is good" argument is always brought up by somebody.

Change is not always a good thing. I can think of plenty of titles where a change in creative team equals a drop in quality (check out the post-Johns issues of Flash as a good example).

IMO, Claremont was really hitting his stride on Uncanny. End of Greys is his best story to date, and the book has been getting consistantly better since House of M. So, just when the book is picking up pace, suddenly Claremont is gone.

These days, it's hard to find books where a creative team hangs around for more than 12 issues. Is it too much to ask for a team to be allowed to work on a book long-term?

New Avengers
Uncanny X-men
Daredevil
Captain America
Spider-girl
Exiles
X-men (?)
Ultimate Spider-man
Ultimates
Pulse
MTU
Cable and Deadpool
Amazing Spider-man
MK:4 (?)

Just some books writers are putting out at marvel with more than a year of writing.

[Havok73]

Whenever these big shake-ups occur, the "change is good" argument is always brought up by somebody.

Change is not always a good thing. I can think of plenty of titles where a change in creative team equals a drop in quality (check out the post-Johns issues of Flash as a good example).

These days, it's hard to find books where a creative team hangs around for more than 12 issues. Is it too much to ask for a team to be allowed to work on a book long-term?

Actually i agree with u with the Flash example, but then Claremont is no comparison to Johns. A has-been writer vs the greatest writer of the decade (hey i know there's still 4 years to go this decade, but lets face it who's can top Johns - the hack known as Bendis - i dont think so). And yes, it is too much to ask for a creative team to be on title longer than 12 months - if they suck. Yeah i'm flying the 'change is good' banner, cause i happen to think the path Marvel is taking recently is the right one for the company and will ensure their reputation as the 'House of Ideas'. Marvel Zombie since '73, and loving every minute of it.

P.S. Although i defend the changes i have to say, Sabretooth an X-Man WTF! How many members do they have to see get gutted before they realise it just does not compute? lol. He had his chance and it didnt work. If they cant have Wolverine, why not use the female Wolvie clone (forgot her name sorry)?

[Babylon23]

Actually i agree with u with the Flash example, but then Claremont is no comparison to Johns. A has-been writer vs the greatest writer of the decade (hey i know there's still 4 years to go this decade, but lets face it who's can top Johns - the hack known as Bendis - i dont think so). And yes, it is too much to ask for a creative team to be on title longer than 12 months - if they suck. Yeah i'm flying the 'change is good' banner, cause i happen to think the path Marvel is taking recently is the right one for the company and will ensure their reputation as the 'House of Ideas'. Marvel Zombie since '73, and loving every minute of it.

Hey, I'm glad you're enjoying Marvel at the moment. I find myself dropping more and more Marvel titles every month. A few years back, 80% of my pull-list was Marvel. Now, I'm down to 4 titles. I'm not seeing a lot of "ideas" from them at the moment. But hey, to each their own.

I'm not going to get into a Claremont vs. Johns vs. Bendis argument. There's enough of that sort of thing going around already.

[Babylon23]

New Avengers
Uncanny X-men
Daredevil
Captain America
Spider-girl
Exiles
X-men (?)
Ultimate Spider-man
Ultimates
Pulse
MTU
Cable and Deadpool
Amazing Spider-man
MK:4 (?)

Just some books writers are putting out at marvel with more than a year of writing.

Damn, I knew my broad generalisations would come back to haunt me :D

[jpk]

Hey, I'm glad you're enjoying Marvel at the moment. I find myself dropping more and more Marvel titles every month. A few years back, 80% of my pull-list was Marvel. Now, I'm down to 4 titles.

Hey Babylon - I'm curious what those titles are. Can you post your list? I just want to know what you think is the best of Marvel these days. I noticed a lot of DC folks read Young Avengers week in and week out, citing it as an example of a great team book (with which I agree).

[Crimson]

I have just registered on these forums for the sole reason of pointing out that Cable and Deadpool is greenlighted through at least issue 36 and that everyone should ignore Beast. It's not being cancelled, okay.

On the other hand, I'm disapointed that Marvel are using Cable as an X-man rather than running with the more interesting direction of him as a well intentioned dictator/political trouble maker type.

I think Beast mean's its unlikey to be signed on for more issues... which looking at sales is very likely.

[Babylon23]

Hey Babylon - I'm curious what those titles are. Can you post your list? I just want to know what you think is the best of Marvel these days. I noticed a lot of DC folks read Young Avengers week in and week out, citing it as an example of a great team book (with which I agree).

My four Marvel U titles are:

Uncanny X-Men
Excalibur
Captain America
Thunderbolts

I've picked up the first couple of issues of X-Factor, but haven't had a chance to read them yet. I also read Daredevil in trades, since I can't stand reading Bendis comics in single issues.

In recent times, I've dropped:

Avengers
Amazing Spider-Man
Hulk
X-Men
Iron Man
Ultimates
Astonishing X-Men

[DDM]

I can't believe this. I seriously have been back into comics since Betsy's return, and really only for like four or five months now. Since the books have been shaken up twice now.

What the helll is wrong with Marvel, and where the hell is Betsy going??? :mad:

Too many shake-ups or reboots will make the X-Men franchise unstable. It's one of the reasons the X-Men stories went down in quality as a result of annual or two year shake-ups.

Editorial simply removing writers from solid books just does not make any sense.

Uncanny X-Men remained unstable when Chris Claremont was removed in favor of a drugged out Joe Casey then moved to the impotent Chuck Austen. Who replaced these two writers? Chris Claremont...

[Babylon23]

Too many shake-ups or reboots will make the X-Men franchise unstable. It's one of the reasons the X-Men stories went down in quality as a result of annual or two year shake-ups.

Editorial simply removing writers from solid books just does not make any sense.

Exactly. There doesn't seem to be any flow to the X-books anymore.

[DDM]

Come on. How good can an Apocalypse story be?

X-Factor #1-6, 19, 21-26, 28, Annual #3, #49-50 mostly written by Louise Simonson who created Apocalypse.

[DDM]

Exactly. There doesn't seem to be any flow to the X-books anymore.

The lack of flow or constipation comes directly from two sources:


Joe Quesada does not believe in continuity.
The editorial constipation from within Uncanny X-Men, X-Men, & Astonishing X-Men. It's too early to tell about X-Factor (Tom Brevoort's editors run this book) & New Excalibur.

[Brian M.]

The lack of flow or constipation comes directly from two sources:


Joe Quesada does not believe in continuity.
The editorial constipation from within Uncanny X-Men, X-Men, & Astonishing X-Men. It's too early to tell about X-Factor (Tom Brevoort's editors run this book) & New Excalibur.


I disagree, Decimation has given them a direction. Everything is leading towards Civil War.

[wader0069]

All I know is I am having a hard enough time catching up on the time I missed. Last comic I bought/read of x-issues was during the Onsluaght saga.

This isn't helping, there are som many new people coming into comics all the time. How the hell are they ever suppose to understand exactly what is going on?

I may just drop comics again, it's too much.................. :(

[xmanson]

Well, I already decided to leave the core books in june, after Claremon'ts final issu, but thought it wouldn't be easy... now, on the other side.

Thank you, Marvel, for making things so easy for me.

[Cestrian]

I think Beast mean's its unlikey to be signed on for more issues... which looking at sales is very likely.

Well even if he did mean that issue 36 takes the tiles into 2007 so it's irrelevant to the discussion about how Cable joining the x-men this summer will effect the title. Also the sales have stablilised, over the last six months the sales have actually gone up. So if Marvel were going to cancel the titles over low sales they would have already done it. If sales start to drop again it might be in trouble, otherwise it probably won't be.

[Babylon23]

I disagree, Decimation has given them a direction. Everything is leading towards Civil War.

I'm not sure about DDM, but I was talking more about the flow of individual titles. Since Claremont's return, we've seen Cannonball disappear and recently reapear, and Wolverine, Sage and Storm all take off. These changes were editorially mandated. Claremont's writing kept things cohesive, but now he's getting shunted off the book.

It's only been 2 years since Reload, and we're seeing yet another shuffle of team members and creative teams.

[G.O.K.I.]

This makes no sense to me, unless they want it to be a re-re-re revamped X-Factor.
ditto...I was just about to say "Post-Havok X-Factor?"

Why don't they go ahead and add Forge and Shard.

[wader0069]

ARRRGGGHHHH!! I WANNA PULL MY HAIR OUT!! THEN CRY!! THEN HIT SOMETHING!!!! ARRRGGG THEN START SOMETHING ON FIRE>>>>>AWW YES STARTD MARVEL ON FIRE...............YES GOOD IDEA>>>>> :evilsmile

[Beast]

................. :mad:

what are these changes? no psylocke in uncanny?i'm not getting excalibur, so she will be missed...Anyway, what is that issue CC is talking about? "first fallen"?? i thought his last arc was going to be "wandering star"....can somebody confirm this?

so what does uncanny consist in now? psylocke and cannonball leaving....there's only nightcrawler and bishop!! i'm sure brubaker will keep rachel in it, and would take with him havok as well. but there's a lack of girls!
he could bring jean back, in time for X3...
No, his next Arc is Wandering Star. And then his wrap up Arc is First Fallen.

Yes, Rachel is staying in Uncanny, Claremont already confirmed that.

Don't expect Jean's return until Phoenix Endsong 2. And they wouldn't put her in the same book as Rachel. :)

[Faded]

Besty not in Uncanny, Adjectiveless, or Astonishing...? :rolleyes:

looks like a Braddock reunion going on over in New Excalibur, then... :D

This would be a great move.

She's limited to NEX#8, according to Claremont. Not many options left unless they create a new series as Beast mentioned.

[Beast]

Well even if he did mean that issue 36 takes the tiles into 2007 so it's irrelevant to the discussion about how Cable joining the x-men this summer will effect the title. Also the sales have stablilised, over the last six months the sales have actually gone up. So if Marvel were going to cancel the titles over low sales they would have already done it. If sales start to drop again it might be in trouble, otherwise it probably won't be.
Sales have been going up? Only on the House of M Issue and then they fell back to normal. It's already below the cancellation level, it's just more stable than most books and has a dedicated fanbase.

Nov 04 Cable & Deadpool #9 - 27,612 ( -4.7%)
Dec 04 Cable & Deadpool #10 - 26,911 ( -2.5%)
Jan 05 Cable & Deadpool #11 - 25,844 ( -4.0%)
Feb 05 Cable & Deadpool #12 - 25,349 ( -1.9%)
Mar 05 Cable & Deadpool #13 - 25,551 ( +0.8%)
Apr 05 Cable & Deadpool #14 - 24,994 ( -2.2%)
May 05 Cable & Deadpool #15 - 24,837 ( -0.6%)
Jun 05 Cable & Deadpool #16 - 24,612 ( -0.9%)
Jul 05 Cable & Deadpool #17 - 34,393 (+39.7%)
Aug 05 Cable & Deadpool #18 - 25,304 (-26.4%)
Sep 05 Cable & Deadpool #19 - 25,298 ( -0.0%)
Sep 05 Cable & Deadpool #20 - 24,982 ( -1.2%)
Oct 05 Cable & Deadpool #21 - 25,030 ( +0.2%)
Nov 05 Cable & Deadpool #22 - 23,746 ( -5.1%)

And now they're trying to pad the numbers with the 'Cable Vs. Captain America' and 'Deadpool Vs. Spider-Man' issues to try to get the book back up again. As well as the upcoming tie-in issues with X-Men and the Apocalypse story to try to artificially inflate the sales numbers once again. It's what's known as the 'Black Panther' method of sales boosts. ;)

[Twigglet]

Sales have been going up? Only on the House of M Issue and then they fell back to normal. It's already below the cancellation level, it's just more stable than most books and has a dedicated fanbase.

Nov 04 Cable & Deadpool #9 - 27,612 ( -4.7%)
Dec 04 Cable & Deadpool #10 - 26,911 ( -2.5%)
Jan 05 Cable & Deadpool #11 - 25,844 ( -4.0%)
Feb 05 Cable & Deadpool #12 - 25,349 ( -1.9%)
Mar 05 Cable & Deadpool #13 - 25,551 ( +0.8%)
Apr 05 Cable & Deadpool #14 - 24,994 ( -2.2%)
May 05 Cable & Deadpool #15 - 24,837 ( -0.6%)
Jun 05 Cable & Deadpool #16 - 24,612 ( -0.9%)
Jul 05 Cable & Deadpool #17 - 34,393 (+39.7%)
Aug 05 Cable & Deadpool #18 - 25,304 (-26.4%)
Sep 05 Cable & Deadpool #19 - 25,298 ( -0.0%)
Sep 05 Cable & Deadpool #20 - 24,982 ( -1.2%)
Oct 05 Cable & Deadpool #21 - 25,030 ( +0.2%)
Nov 05 Cable & Deadpool #22 - 23,746 ( -5.1%)

And now they're trying to pad the numbers with the 'Cable Vs. Captain America' and 'Deadpool Vs. Spider-Man' issues to try to get the book back up again.

Padding the numbers? Thats a new one! :p

I'm hoping the Apocalypse arc bumps this title up a bit

[Beast]

Padding the numbers? Thats a new one! :p

I'm hoping the Apocalypse arc bumps this title up a bit
Not really. It's the same thing they're doing with Black Panther. Having these big named guest stars to try to bring a few more readers in who might stick around. Next we'll have Cable marry Deadpool to get some extra sales. Would be more realistic than Black Panther and Storm. ;) :D

[superman1984]

I recently order X-Men Deadly Genesis....once I read that if its good (which it probably is) I may have to follow Brubaker on to Uncanny....

[countryfan2004]

I think the new X-Men roster makes sense in a way with the Civil War. I expected something of the sort. I don't like Sabretooth on the team, but I have no choice but to live with it. I hated the team at first, but then it started to grow on me and makes sense. I think Cannonball's in there for a Rogue love interest and I can see some friction with him and Cable, Sabretooh, and Mystique. I've always wanted Iceman, Cannonball, and Rogue together, and now I have it, but I still may not pick up this title. I think it'll be a wait-for-TPB title. As for the Uncanny line-up, I'm thinking: Havok, Nightcrawler, Bishop, Marvel Girl, Husk, Angel, and Northstar (I really liked Betsy with them too! DARNIT!) If Husk will be in it, I can see Brubaker finally writing her well. He probably sees her as a Shadowcat replacement or something though, which she is in a way I guess.

[Fede]

No, his next Arc is Wandering Star. And then his wrap up Arc is First Fallen.

Yes, Rachel is staying in Uncanny, Claremont already confirmed that.

Don't expect Jean's return until Phoenix Endsong 2. And they wouldn't put her in the same book as Rachel. :)

Thanks! :)

so in uncanny we have nightcrawler, rachel, and bishop...strange team.
i hope brubaker gets havok and magma or lifeguard (or both :D)

[Cestrian]

Sales have been going up? Only on the House of M Issue and then they fell back to normal. It's already below the cancellation level, it's just more stable than most books and has a dedicated fanbase.

Nov 04 Cable & Deadpool #9 - 27,612 ( -4.7%)
Dec 04 Cable & Deadpool #10 - 26,911 ( -2.5%)
Jan 05 Cable & Deadpool #11 - 25,844 ( -4.0%)
Feb 05 Cable & Deadpool #12 - 25,349 ( -1.9%)
Mar 05 Cable & Deadpool #13 - 25,551 ( +0.8%)
Apr 05 Cable & Deadpool #14 - 24,994 ( -2.2%)
May 05 Cable & Deadpool #15 - 24,837 ( -0.6%)
Jun 05 Cable & Deadpool #16 - 24,612 ( -0.9%)
Jul 05 Cable & Deadpool #17 - 34,393 (+39.7%)
Aug 05 Cable & Deadpool #18 - 25,304 (-26.4%)
Sep 05 Cable & Deadpool #19 - 25,298 ( -0.0%)
Sep 05 Cable & Deadpool #20 - 24,982 ( -1.2%)
Oct 05 Cable & Deadpool #21 - 25,030 ( +0.2%)
Nov 05 Cable & Deadpool #22 - 23,746 ( -5.1%)


Ah, I hadn't seen the sales figures for 22 yet.

[Beast]

Thanks! :)

so in uncanny we have nightcrawler, rachel, and bishop...strange team.
i hope brubaker gets havok and magma or lifeguard (or both :D)
Well, the only person we have really confirmed for Uncanny is Rachel.

If you go by Deadly Genesis and who Ed Brubaker's flexing his pen with, some of the roster does come to light as being likely. Since it's basically Ed's chance to see if he can get their voice before writing them full time.

Havok, Nightcrawler, and Rachel are locks, I would think.

I would like some dangerous choices like the X-Men roster as well. Dark Beast and Toad would be fun additions, and cause some inter-team conflict. Plus it's a given that both of them have tried the reformed path in the past and have reason to again, with the recent event of Decimation. :)

[Fede]

¡

I would like some dangerous choices like the X-Men roster as well. Dark Beast and Toad would be fun additions, given that both of them have tried the reformed path in the past and have reason to again, with the recent event of Decimation. :)

i'd be glad with both of them :D. but since i think that dark beast will be one of the horsemen...
that would create a new trend: "put a reformed villain (or two) in your team"

[Beast]

i'd be glad with both of them :D. but since i think that dark beast will be one of the horsemen...
that would create a new trend: "put a reformed villain (or two) in your team"
Well, every team seems to have a pair right now. :)

Astonishing X-Men: Emma Frost and Wolverine (Enemy of the State)
Adjectiveless X-Men: Sabretooth and Mystique, hell even Rogue.
Uncanny X-Men: We need two Reformed or Gray Characters Here.

[Blackcat]

Well, I like it except for Sabretooth. Makes me wonder how Uncanny will be after Cannonball and Betsy leave, we'll only have Bishop, Kurt and Rachel. Time to bring some kind of girl with lava powers on that team.

[protege]

Well, I like it except for Sabretooth. Makes me wonder how Uncanny will be after Cannonball and Betsy leave, we'll only have Bishop, Kurt and Rachel. Time to bring some kind of girl with lava powers on that team.
I was thinking about that last night- what happened to Magma?

[Beast]

I was thinking about that last night- what happened to Magma?
Magma last appeared in X-Men: The 198 Files #1. :)

[Will.S]

Whenever these big shake-ups occur, the "change is good" argument is always brought up by somebody.

Change is not always a good thing. I can think of plenty of titles where a change in creative team equals a drop in quality (check out the post-Johns issues of Flash as a good example).
It really just depends on the creative team.

Daredevil has Bendis leaving while he's also hitting his stride with Brubaker coming in and picking up where he left off. That's a capable writer right there and similarly it looks like it's happening with Uncanny X-Men. I've been enjoying Deadly Genesis and Brubaker's current Marvel work's so I'm going to be checking out his Uncanny for sure.

[steve2275]

Besty not in Uncanny, Adjectiveless, or Astonishing...? :rolleyes:

looks like a Braddock reunion going on over in New Excalibur, then... :D

This would be a great move.
yeah
let her be with her brother

[Will.S]

It's a good move to have Psylocke on New Excalibur since Chris had invested so much into the character and it would be unfair to let the next writer use her after bringing her back and all.

Plus I enjoyed her relationship with her brother when they were caught in House of M's effects.

[protege]

Magma last appeared in X-Men: The 198 Files #1. :)
She's not on the list, is she?

[Beast]

She's not on the list, is she?
Of the depowered? Nope, she has her powers. She's a bit looney tunes at the moment though. :)

[X-Men Forever]

Here is my take on the new roster, and it is a positive one :D .

1. Cable- Have not read about him since Claremont was writing him in Uncanny X-Men in 2000. I prefer the Nicieza(bad ass)version of Cable, but I like him ok either way.

2. Cannonball- As I stated earlier in this thread, Sam is one of my top 10 all time favorite X-Men, so having him on the team makes me :) .

3. Iceman- Bobby is such an easy character to get, so it puzzles me as to why writers have a hard time writing him well :confused: . Here's to whoever writes him in the future doing him right, he deserves it.

4. Rogue- She has been butchered as a character so badly over the years, that I do not care the least bit about her now and that is sad :( . Rogue was one of my faves in the 80's, but I feel bad for any writer that tries to write her today unless they are allowed to retcon her back to her 80's self.

5. Mystique- She is a fringe character, not horribly evil, but not very nice either. She is a character with her own motives like Emma, so it makes sense to why a writer would want her on his X-Men team.

6. Sabretooth- Victor Creed is one twisted mother f, and it will be real interesting if the person writing him into the X-Men can give us a believable reason for him to be on the team. I am a Sabretooth nut, so a monthly dose of him makes me a satisfied fan indeed.

[tunasammiches]

I'm super intrigued about this line-up. But on the upside it looks like they've included characters that have some personal correlation to each other.

Cable and Cannonball-they have a good father/son dysfunctional relationship that begs to be ironed out. Cannonball has lots of issues with Cable since the 90's so maybe it'll get addresssed again. (I hope Cable and Rachel get some time together now that he's on the book.)

Mystique and Sabertooth- exwife/exhusband drama. I don't agree with having these 2 on an X-Team because of all the sins they've committed towards them, but who knows...maybe this team won't really BE part of the team...kind of like how X-treme X-men or X-Force was. Maybe they'll be anti-X-men. Still the ex-partners should make for interesting drama.

Mystique, Sabertooth and Rogue-wierd family dynamic that seems interesting too. (All they're missing are Nightcrawler and Graydon Creed and you have yourselves a few month's worth of good drama.) OOh, maybe after the loss of Gambit, since he defined her she'll lose focus of who she really is and she'll follow in her mom's and stepdad's footsteps and go evil– Hey it worked for Willow (in Buffy)–making her more redeemable and making US want her more, again.

Iceman-eh, he needs a change of pace. Maybe this team will make him a better, more responsible X-Man who can remind all these non X-Men what it's all about, thereby giving him a purpose.

I like my ideas.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Too many shake-ups or reboots will make the X-Men franchise unstable. It's one of the reasons the X-Men stories went down in quality as a result of annual or two year shake-ups.

Editorial simply removing writers from solid books just does not make any sense.

Uncanny X-Men remained unstable when Chris Claremont was removed in favor of a drugged out Joe Casey then moved to the impotent Chuck Austen. Who replaced these two writers? Chris Claremont...


Joe Casey only lasted 15 issues. Yeah thats an unstable run. Chuck Austen lasted 34 issues + 10 on X-Men . In all he had a 3 year run on the books. If thats unstable I'd hate to see stable.

Grant Morrison lasted 3+ years on the books too. Again a lotta these guys won't stay on a book like Geoff Johns will. They move on after a few years. Brubaker and whoever takes X-Men will shock me if they stay longer than 3 years.

[Ugoff]

Joe Casey only lasted 15 issues. Yeah thats an unstable run. Chuck Austen lasted 34 issues + 10 on X-Men . In all he had a 3 year run on the books. If thats unstable I'd hate to see stable.

Grant Morrison lasted 3+ years on the books too. Again a lotta these guys won't stay on a book like Geoff Johns will. They move on after a few years. Brubaker and whoever takes X-Men will shock me if they stay longer than 3 years.


I dont think different creative teams make the books unstable either. I think for some the constant revamps(roster changes/costume changes/changes in direction) are what put off some fans. I quit the X-books about 4 years ago and dont see myself picking them up anytime soon although I will give X-Factor a try when my budget allows. I'm just sick of the constant revamps especially the costume changes. Most of the revamps that Marvel attempts arent even that good either. It's not the writers fault thought.

[DDM]

I dont think different creative teams make the books unstable either. I think for some the constant revamps(roster changes/costume changes/changes in direction) are what put off some fans...Most of the revamps that Marvel attempts arent even that good either. It's not the writers fault thought.

You hit the nail on the head. The constant state of revamps creates an instability within the X-books that increases editorial constipation of the stories. The forced editorial revamps just makes the said franchise too unstable; as a result, the story & characters are usually written at the expense of the editorial edict(s).

I believe the editors are trying to duplicate Chris Claremont's original Uncanny X-Men cast changes without the stories providing the merit for the change. When Claremont wrote a character out of the book, it made sense. Gradually or immediately, another character(s) would take the place of the the former character(s).

[countryfan2004]

http://www.newsarama.com/JoeFridays/JoeFridays33.html


I just read this for some reason. Could Ares be on the new Uncanny team? Or do you think he'll be on the New Avengers? It's not going to be Fantastic Four obviously. So what else could it be if it's a major Marvel team?

[Babylon23]

It really just depends on the creative team.

Daredevil has Bendis leaving while he's also hitting his stride with Brubaker coming in and picking up where he left off. That's a capable writer right there and similarly it looks like it's happening with Uncanny X-Men. I've been enjoying Deadly Genesis and Brubaker's current Marvel work's so I'm going to be checking out his Uncanny for sure.

I think the major difference is that Bendis is completing his run, and wants to move own. Claremont is being removed from Uncanny.

I give Marvel credit for at least allowing him to at least complete his Braddock story.

[Nick Kal]

I give Marvel credit for at least allowing him to at least complete his Braddock story.

You wouldn't have to give credit if it didn't take him a whole bunch of issues to do it. :)

[Faded]

http://www.newsarama.com/JoeFridays/JoeFridays33.html


I just read this for some reason. Could Ares be on the new Uncanny team? Or do you think he'll be on the New Avengers? It's not going to be Fantastic Four obviously. So what else could it be if it's a major Marvel team?

Who is Ares?

[Nick Kal]

All I know is he's a Punisher type character and he has a mini out. Joe said he'd be in a team book. If it's X-Men... then he'll be a Wolverine type character probably... He has guns and is bad ass or whatever... but is he a mutant?

[Babylon23]

You wouldn't have to give credit if it didn't take him a whole bunch of issues to do it. :)

Yeah, but he's not the only one. This stories taking up 30 issues. Whedon's Ord story is going to take 24 issues, with a big gap in-between year 1 and year 2, yet few people attacks him for drawing his storyline out. Bendis DD is one big story spread out over years, yet nobody complains.

[Nick Kal]

Yeah, but he's not the only one. This stories taking up 30 issues. Whedon's Ord story is going to take 24 issues, with a big gap in-between year 1 and year 2, yet few people attacks him for drawing his storyline out. Bendis DD is one big story spread out over years, yet nobody complains.

There's a difference with Astonishing... I don't read DD so I can't say anything on that book either way.

However the first arc set up a return for Ord, yes. That's what many writers do. They set things up for later.

CC brings a character back from the dead and explains it 28 issues later... that's different.

[Beast]

Ares is moving to New Avengers, from the earliest rumors. Taking the Thor slot. :)

[Babylon23]

There's a difference with Astonishing... I don't read DD so I can't say anything on that book either way.

However the first arc set up a return for Ord, yes. That's what many writers do. They set things up for later.

CC brings a character back from the dead and explains it 28 issues later... that's different.

How is this different, exactly? The Ord storyline is a dangling plot thread, much like Psylocke's return. Claremont set up the Braddock storyline, and has constantly referred to it as he's gone along. He's laid numerous plot seeds, including the return of Psylocke and the appearance of Courtney Ross.

I understand that you're not a Claremont fan, but both he and Whedon are following the exact same writing technique when it comes to laying the seeds of future stories. The only difference is that Claremont tells shorter, non-decompressed stories, and packs more into each issue. This makes it seem like more issues than Whedon, because more is happening in the book.

[Nick Kal]

Ares is moving to New Avengers, from the earliest rumors. Taking the Thor slot. :)

That makes the most sense. However, Sentry took Thor's slot I thought.. but he's just the Superman knock off of the year.

[Nick Kal]

How is this different, exactly? The Ord storyline is a dangling plot thread, much like Psylocke's return. Claremont set up the Braddock storyline, and has constantly referred to it as he's gone along. He's laid numerous plot seeds, including the return of Psylocke and the appearance of Courtney Ross.

I understand that you're not a Claremont fan, but both he and Whedon are following the exact same writing technique when it comes to laying the seeds of future stories. The only difference is that Claremont tells shorter, non-decompressed stories, and packs more into each issue. This makes it seem like more issues than Whedon, because more is happening in the book.

I don't have an opinion of Claremont either way. Just because I'm arguing against him does not mean I don't like him. I've argued against Whedon too.

The difference is that Ord's story with the whole virus thing was told in that arc. He escaped and he will come back later.

Claremont brought Psylocke back from the dead. He didn't resolve how it was done, but will 28 issues later.

[Beast]

There's a difference with Astonishing... I don't read DD so I can't say anything on that book either way.

However the first arc set up a return for Ord, yes. That's what many writers do. They set things up for later.

CC brings a character back from the dead and explains it 28 issues later... that's different.
It hasn't been 28 issues since Betsy's return. She came back in Uncanny #455. :p

It will have been 17 issues since her return before the arc explaining her return occurs, and all the teases about Jamie Braddock's envolvement are wrapped up. Now let's remove the House of M issues from the equation. It's been 13 issues since Betsy's return in the real continuity of Uncanny. :)

[Nick Kal]

It hasn't been 28 issues since Betsy's return. She came back in Uncanny #455. :p

It will have been 17 issues since her return before the arc explaining her return occurs, and all the teases about Jamie Braddock's envolvement are wrapped up. Now let's remove the House of M issues from the equation. It's been 13 issues since Betsy's return in the real continuity of Uncanny. :)

Okay, I don't read the title but 17 issues is enough. You shouldn't remove the HoM arc because Psylocke coming back from the dead should have been resolved before it so that is part of the cumulative issues leading up to it.

[Babylon23]

I don't have an opinion of Claremont either way. Just because I'm arguing against him does not mean I don't like him. I've argued against Whedon too.

The difference is that Ord's story with the whole virus thing was told in that arc. He escaped and he will come back later.

Claremont brought Psylocke back from the dead. He didn't resolve how it was done, but will 28 issues later.

Well, the whole Ord story hasn't really been cleared up. There's still the whole X-Men destroying the Breakworld thing. This is an ongoing plot seed.

As far as finishing up stories goes, Claremont has finished each story he's told. The Fury was defeated, as was Viper, and the dinosaurs, and the Hellfire Club, etc. The only outstanding issue is Jamie Braddock and Psylocke's resurrection.

I apologise for implying that you were anti-Claremont.

[Nick Kal]

We're having this discussion over two threads so let's just keep it in the other one because I responded to this there. :)

[Babylon23]

We're having this discussion over two threads so let's just keep it in the other one because I responded to this there. :)

Good idea. I agree. I'm sticking mainly to the Astonishing news conference thread. I'll see you there.

[(NO)]

SPOILER: According to a poster on Millarworld Forums, In the new issue of Wizard Magazine they reveal Billy Tan will be the artist on Uncanny X-Men, and Mike Carey and Chris Bachalo are on X-Men.

[Beast]

SPOILER: According to a poster on Millarworld Forums, In the new issue of Wizard Magazine they reveal Billy Tan will be the artist on Uncanny X-Men, and Mike Carey and Chris Bachalo are on X-Men.
Wow, Mike Carey is a bit of a shock. He's not really done a lot for Marvel so far. He did the fill-in issues of Ultimate Fantastic Four, and then Ultimate X-Men/Fantastic Four, and Ultimate Elektra. He's also done Spellbinders recently. Shame that Bachelo is sticking around though. :p

http://www.marvel.com/catalog/listing.htm?writer=Mike%20Carey

[(NO)]

Does this deserve its own thread?

[Babylon23]

Tan on art doesn't interest me in the slightest, so I'll probably give this a miss. As for Carey/Bachelo, I haven't read enough of Carey's work to really have an opinion, but the new line-up doesn't interest me in the slightest.

Looks like I'll be down to Excalibur and X-Factor.

[Beast]

Does this deserve its own thread?
I'd say go for it, yeah. Given that it's the first confirmation. :)

[X-Men Forever]

Does this deserve its own thread?

YES. This is great news for X-Men. Carey and Bachalo will be a huge improvement over Milligan and Larroca.

[david r]

Mike Carey is a good writer. But so was Peter Milligan, and look how he turned out.

The X-Men books have a funny knack of taking talented individuals and depowering them. I assume the creative freedom good writers need to flourish is lacking in the X-office.

[X-Men Forever]

Mike Carey is a good writer. But so was Peter Milligan, and look how he turned out.

The X-Men books have a funny knack of taking talented individuals and depowering them. I assume the creative freedom good writers need to flourish is lacking in the X-office.

Yeah but I am buying the book because of Bachalo's art, and Cannonball and Sabretooth, even if Rob Liefeld was plotting the book and a blind monkey was scripting it.

[steve2275]

Who is Ares?
olympian god of war

[Faded]

If the lineup Joe Q said was true, and then this creative team, its going to be hard to keep me on adjectiveless. Of course, I'll give it a shot though.