Astonishing X-Men Press Conference

[Jonah Weiland]

Artwork from Astonishing X-Men #13 is available now, with a full transcript coming later today:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=6461

[Beast]

Interesting preview pages. That scene with Emma and Cassandra is curious, given it takes place at the New X-Men Master Mold. Shaw's size in that one panel just screams to me that Shaw at least is a figment of Emma's imagination. Not to sure about Cassandra though, especially since Ernst got a save in the 198 Files. So I'm gonna guess that Nova may be the only real one. Not sure about the person in the cloak, it could represent Jean or it could be someone who is working with Cassandra to drive Emma nuts. :)

[xmanson]

Well, for them to be in the mansion, either Emma is crazy or is just a telepathic conversation.

And is that a Sentinel flying ship? Final Fantasy?

[ibrakeforchinwe]

Emma better be nutso cuz I dont want her to be a villain again. I hope shes gone crazy or someone is messing with her.

[Arrjay]

Looks good. I'm excited.

[Beast]

Well, for them to be in the mansion, either Emma is crazy or is just a telepathic conversation.

And is that a Sentinel flying ship? Final Fantasy?
Well, Cassandra could easily be in the mansion without detection. Especially given that she's supposedly been there for a while now as Ernst. Of course, that depends on whether or not Whedon decides to keep that as canon, since it was only revealed in an alternate future story.

[Will.S]

Shaw's size in that one panel just screams to me that Shaw at least is a figment of Emma's imagination.
Why's that? It looks accurately proportioned enough.

This looks awesome btw, I would have thought the Master Mold factory and the cobbled together Sentinels would be bombed to hell by now but who knows in what context that scene with Emma was in?

BTW I found a piece of the dialogue to this scene by browsing Joss's website, good stuff:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/Willsncz/page05dialoguerevealed.jpg

[lament]

Interesting. It looks like we're going to see some of the non-New Mutants kids. Even if it's on a limited basis, I'm happy for that.

[Beast]

Why's that? It looks accurately proportioned enough.
Bwah? Shaw is not that tall. It's not proportional at all. :confused:
This looks awesome btw, I would have thought the Master Mold factory and the cobbled together Sentinels would be bombed to hell by now but who knows in what context that scene with Emma was in?
Looking at Emma's clothes in the scene with the Master Mold and Cassie Nova, it seems to be a flashback of some sort. Especially since it fades into her in her office with Nova, Shaw, and the 'Mysterious Cloaked Figure'.

[Will.S]

Bwah? Shaw is not that tall. It's not proportional at all. :confused:
I broke out the handy 198 files just to make sure, it lists him 6'2.

Looking at Emma's clothes in the scene with the Master Mold and Cassie Nova, it seems to be a flashback of some sort. Especially since it fades into her in her office with Nova, Shaw, and the 'Mysterious Cloaked Figure'.
Yeah looks more like a flashback scene, perhaps that scene is among the reasons Emma survived the Sentinel attack.

[Beast]

I broke out the handy 198 files just to make sure, it lists him 6'2.
Yeah, and Emma is 5'10". Shaw would not be that big in the panel.

[Will.S]

Yeah, and Emma is 5'10". Shaw would not be that big in the panel.
Just chalk it up to Cassaday's use of perspective. A "worm's eye view" as artists tend to call it.

[Crimson]

Yeah, and Emma is 5'10". Shaw would not be that big in the panel.

It's the perspective... he's closer to the reader then the other's who are in the background.

[Beast]

It's the perspective... he's closer to the reader then the other's who are in the background.
Look at where his shoulders line up with Emma's back. He's more more or less standing on the same spot of floor. I don't buy it for a moment that he's really there. He's either a delusion or a hologram.

[Crimson]

Look at where his shoulders line up with Emma's back. He's more more or less standing on the same spot of floor. I don't buy it for a moment that he's really there. He's either a delusion or a hologram.

Perhaps... I'm not sure if he's real either but I don't know if that panel shows it (IMO anyway).

I think when the colours are added it'll help "unflatten" the image a bit because as far as I can see he's standing infront of everyone.

[streator]

nice preview.
maybe the master mold scenes are meant to take place before the genosha attack? which could mean that emma knew it was going to happen or at least she knew it (and cassandra) was down there.
or i could be completely off. something about it strikes me as a flashback, though.

[Cayman]

Pretty!

I'm most looking forward to finding out what's going on with Negasonic Teenage Warhead.

I'm glad Hisako didn't get deciMated.

Cay

[slively]

I love Cassaday's Emma. I cannot wait!!

[Beast]

Pretty!

I'm most looking forward to finding out what's going on with Negasonic Teenage Warhead.

I'm glad Hisako didn't get deciMated.

Cay
You really think they would have dared touch Whedon's characters? ;)

[Jonah Weiland]

Hey guys,

The full transcript of Joss's portion of the press conference is now online:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=6461

I'll have Mike Marts comments up a bit later today.

[Will.S]

Thanks Jonah.

These responses kind of bugged me:

How will "House of M" or "Decimation" have an impact on your upcoming arcs?

Only marginally. I had pitched my arcs out before "House of M" was created and there was some dissonance reading them. I was like, "I don't know if the things I will be referring to will matter as much to people." That's part of why I've got such an internalized story. I've sort of removed myself so that I don't clash with what's going on. In a way, I've just kind of avoided the issue because, as I said, I've had these things worked out well in advance.

This has to come into the conversation somewhere-- I'm ahead on my scripts! [My editor Mike Marts] can back me up on this. It's never happened before, but it's a new me! I have a bet with my wife that if I'm late with a single script, for anything, this year, I have to watch a particular movie-- that I'm not going to name-- three times in a row. Believe me when I say this is strong motivation. (laughs)

But yeah, I worked this stuff out before and then obviously huge changes came with "House of M" and I have to kind of ignore them, but never contradict them. I'm just going to do my thing.

Could you expand a bit on how the events in "House of M" or "Decimation" affected your plans, or are you isolated enough that it didn't really matter?

As I said, I kind of deliberately avoided it. I was a little bit thrown off my game when I read it. I was like, "OK, everything's different now!"

Basically the biggest thing is that I had to replace was Nick Fury with Maria Hill because Nick Fury's gone underground. He was going to be, not a huge part, but a part of the thing. There's a scene between Abigail Brand-- who's very much a player particularly in the second arc-- and Maria Hill that would have been Nick. There might be reference here or there, but to me I have to maintain the integrity of the book, even more than the integrity of the Universe. Once again, I'm never going to contradict anything that happened in "House of M" and I'll use it if I can, but I want somebody who starts at issue #1 of "Astonishing" to go to issue #24 without having to make a huge calibration if they don't know "House of M." So, it's important to me to stay current with the Marvel Universe without being a slave to it.
I dunno, HoM and Decimation are huge status quo changers. I hope he references both at least in the backround and in some of the dialogue such as showing the Sentinel presense in the school grounds and mentioning M-day. It'll be interesting to see how he sidesteps it if he does.

Other than that I'm excited.

[punisher_ryu]

why are emma and logan kissing?

[X-Men Forever]

why are emma and logan kissing?

Why not? :D

[punisher_ryu]

Why not? :D

b/c it's emma, not.....jean. that left a bad taste in my mouth. but hey, that's how the writers write jean.

[Beast]

Nice to see Whedon admit that 'Dangerous' had some flaws. :)

[xmanson]

Nice to see Whedon admit that 'Dangerous' had some flaws. :)


Some is an euphemism... but still better than nothing... :p

[X-Men Forever]

Nice to see Whedon admit that 'Dangerous' had some flaws. :)

I agree it had some flaws. But I am biased to the fact that Cassaday's awesome art carried Whedon's average to weak scripts in the first batch of Astonishing X-Men. But the quality of the X-Men writing has been so low over the past decade, that Whedon's average stuff seemed great to many fans. This is very sad :( .

[streator]

i figured 13-24 would be pretty much self-contained anyway. so, i don't really mind astonishing not playing a role in civil war or talking about house of m that much (he did say it would be mentioned, in the least).

[cable guy]

I agree it had some flaws. But I am biased to the fact that Cassaday's awesome art carried Whedon's average to weak scripts in the first batch of Astonishing X-Men. But the quality of the X-Men writing has been so low over the past decade, that Whedon's average stuff seemed great to many fans. This is very sad :( .

I liked it, but it was the best at the time by default.

[X-Men Forever]

I liked it, but it was the best at the time by default.

Same here. Whedon's X-Men stuff gets the default vote because the other stuff was even worse.

[Brian M.]

I can't wait, I'm looking for a lil more Cyclops and I hope he gives me that.

[Absolut_Fresh]

i dunno...maybe its just me, but it really irks me that Whedon seems to go OUT OF HIS WAY to alienate his Astonishing cast from the rest of the world at large.

Ignoring and avoiding the biggest thing to hit the X-verse in a decade? an event his cast was OVERWHELMINGLY involved in....? I dunno, it just bugs me. I mean, ever Claremont got a little of the Astonishing cast in his End of Greys final...but you will never find any of the Uncanny or Adjectiveless in his book...it just feels so disconnected from everything else that it doesnt seem to fit in, IMO...

dont get me wrong, i pick it up and enjoy it for the most part. but when i read it, i dont feel like im reading an XMen comic...

[Faded]

I thought they announced Whedon was doing another 13 issues at a con a while back? :confused:

[Beast]

I thought they announced Whedon was doing another 13 issues at a con a while back? :confused:
Yes, but the 13th Issue is supposedly going to be an Annual. :)

[Faded]

Thanks, Beast, I didn't know that.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Hisako, Anole, Rockslide, Surge, Mercury, Indra, Wolf Cub, Match, Hellion, and Pixie were the students in the preview page.

[Beast]

Thanks, Beast, I didn't know that.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Hisako, Anole, Rockslide, Surge, Mercury, Indra, Wolf Cub, Match, Hellion, and Pixie were the students in the preview page.
It looks like it to me. That's probably all the mention of Decimation we'll really get. :)

[Faded]

I hope that's Indra. I love purple and I love retractable armor plate exoskeletons. Especially when the guy who has them could potentially be Victor's boyfriend. :D

[lament]

I hope that's Indra. I love purple and I love retractable armor plate exoskeletons. Especially when the guy who has them could potentially be Victor's boyfriend. :D

First of all, I do think it's Indra. Second, thank goodness I'm not the only person who thought of Indra as Vic's potential boyfriend. :D

[Faded]

First of all, I do think it's Indra. Second, thank goodness I'm not the only person who thought of Indra as Vic's potential boyfriend. :D

I became attatched to the thought after Nunzio DeFilippis mentioned it as a possibility. I think they'd make such an adorable couple. :)

[lament]

I became attatched to the thought after Nunzio DeFilippis mentioned it as a possibility. I think they'd make such an adorable couple. :)

I'm feeling encouraged that some of the non-New Mutant kids are actually being shown. Maybe they'll get a little play here and there.

[milly3cat]

It's nice to see Hisako again, and in the same panel as ( is it Rockslide ? ) from new x men.

I hope to see more of the school, maybe even Blindfold again. Stepford Cuckoos anybody ??

[Beast]

The story on CBR's main page is updated now with the parts with Mike Marts friends.
This really stood out, hopefully it will be true. Somehow I bet we'll see more delays. :p

MM: There's been a little bit of confusion concerning the shipping schedule. The guys are back for a 12-issue stint. It's bi-monthly from February through August. So, issues #13 through #16 will be bi-monthly, then we'll resume a monthly schedule from September onward.

And hmmm....
Could this be the 'S*W*O*R*D' mini that was teased a while ago to tie into Annihilation or Civil War? :)

MM: He will be doing something else within the Marvel Universe. I'm not sure when we'll be announcing that, but it will be sometime, I think, in 2006.

[Kirayoshi]

Liked what Joss had to say about the Paul Smith era, especially #165. Looking back at that issue, I can see how it inspired much of Joss' stories.

Anyone else notice that shot of Emma watching Peter and Kitty through the window? Peter and Kitty seemed to be rather close. Almost playful. Almost like Colossus: Bloodlines didn't happen!

[Amokitty]

Liked what Joss had to say about the Paul Smith era, especially #165. Looking back at that issue, I can see how it inspired much of Joss' stories.

Yeah, gotta agree with you there. Uncanny #165 - "Transfigurations!" is probably in my top 2 or 3 favorite x-books. The internalizing struggle the characters had about life and death, makes it for me (and Joss too, apparently ;) ) one of Claremont's best stories. And Paul Smith ain't too shabby either! I know it's wishful thinking to imagine Joss and Paul working together, but what a dream come true that would be!

I'm definitely happy and relieved that the Bi-Monthly schedule isn't permanent. Deconstructed storytelling on a bi-monthly basis would have been a little too much.

Very pleased about this interview, and thanking God that the 6 month hiatus is almost over.

[Frank]

In the interview Whedon said that people didn`t like "Danger" as much compared to the first arc because there were less character moments. There`s truth to that because I loved how different he wrote the characters and how they seemed fresh like I had never seen in a while. But to me the main reason why I prefer the first storyline was because it was less cut and dry. You didn`t know where Joss was going with it. While the Danger Room coming alive seemed to be more "high concept" it was actually quite simplistic in its approach, a take-off on the gazillions of "monster turning on master" angles from Frankenstein to "I, Robot" and so forth.

[OMGDRAN]

Not to sure about Cassandra though, especially since Ernst got a save in the 198 Files. So I'm gonna guess that Nova may be the only real one. Not sure about the person in the cloak, it could represent Jean or it could be someone who is working with Cassandra to drive Emma nuts. :)


Cassandra Nova isn't really a mutant is she though. Ernst/Cassandra is the mind of xaviers twin sister in the body of some crazy shiar shap shifter.

[jj9126]

Great...so Emma is going to be bad again. :evilangry

I guess both traditionalist and progressive X-fans can unite knowing that we were both completely screwed by Marvel this week.

CC off of Uncanny, Now Whedon's interview (along with the preview pages) seem to indicate that Marvel is going to continue to destroy everything accomplished by Morrison's run. Sigh...

[fishtaco]

I suppose I'll pick up the tpbs. I still can't wait until he leaves, but I really want to see Emma become a villain again. I hate her as an X-Man. While I still think it's ridiculous that it's bi-monthly, I think that they will still be able to get it out on what passes for on time. Glad the 4th arc will be monthly. I still don't like the 6 issue arcs. Whedon should be more flexible. These six issue stories for the trade market are annoying. Whedon needs to use more characters, too. Other X-Men at the mansion. And he should get the characterizations right, too. A lot of them are off. And Cassaday needs to make new costumes for Shadowcat, Cyclops, and Beast. Those are horrible.

I strongly dislike this book, but I'm willing to give it another chance. Dangerous was horrible.

[Beast]

Cassandra Nova isn't really a mutant is she though. Ernst/Cassandra is the mind of xaviers twin sister in the body of some crazy shiar shap shifter.
No, but the Office of National Emergency would likely believe that Ernst is a mutant, since Stuff's shape-shifting is at the genetic level, given it took a sample of Cassie to alter it into a perfect copy that even fooled Cassandra. It's one of those 'Wiggle Room' mutants. Everyone believes she is, she seems to still have her powers, therefor she's one of the 198. Actually someone should ask Marvel about that, hmm. Didn't they say in New X-Men though that Stuff was a Shiar mutant?

[Beast]

I suppose I'll pick up the tpbs. I still can't wait until he leaves, but I really want to see Emma become a villain again. I hate her as an X-Man. While I still think it's ridiculous that it's bi-monthly, I think that they will still be able to get it out on what passes for on time. Glad the 4th arc will be monthly. I still don't like the 6 issue arcs. Whedon should be more flexible. These six issue stories for the trade market are annoying. Whedon needs to use more characters, too. Other X-Men at the mansion. And he should get the characterizations right, too. A lot of them are off. And Cassaday needs to make new costumes for Shadowcat, Cyclops, and Beast. Those are horrible.

I strongly dislike this book, but I'm willing to give it another chance. Dangerous was horrible.
Fishy, it's still going to be 6-issue arcs. It's just that the first four issues will ship bi-monthly and then the schedule will change back to monthly. 13-18 will be one 6-issue storyline and 19-24 will be another 6-issue storyline. And he didn't want to step on anyone's toes his first year, which is why he didn't use anyone else in the mansion in his storyline. It sounds like we may at least get a chance for him to have guest appearances by the other X-Men this time. :)

[steve2275]

Anyone else notice that shot of Emma watching Peter and Kitty through the window? Peter and Kitty seemed to be rather close. Almost playful. Almost like Colossus: Bloodlines didn't happen!
maybe he is being written as FINALLY moving on and accepting life and all its gifts

[Titan76]

Why did this have to have another 2 six arc format again?? :confused: :rolleyes: I wish Whedon would have done this in no more then 4. I think I will just read it in my comic shop and not buy it, though the art will probably make me buy it since Cassaday is the man. ;)

[Henry T.]

Ernst may still be a mutant. Remember they used DNA from Cassandra's real body to have Stuff copy the body so perfectly that Cassandra would not know the difference.

So even though shes in an alien body (was it part machine?) it may still have some of her dna and mutation in the body.

[Faded]

I do hope we'll get a definitive answer on Ernst/Cassandra Nova in this series.

[Porcelain]

i dunno...maybe its just me, but it really irks me that Whedon seems to go OUT OF HIS WAY to alienate his Astonishing cast from the rest of the world at large.

Ignoring and avoiding the biggest thing to hit the X-verse in a decade? an event his cast was OVERWHELMINGLY involved in....? I dunno, it just bugs me. I mean, ever Claremont got a little of the Astonishing cast in his End of Greys final...but you will never find any of the Uncanny or Adjectiveless in his book...it just feels so disconnected from everything else that it doesnt seem to fit in, IMO...

dont get me wrong, i pick it up and enjoy it for the most part. but when i read it, i dont feel like im reading an XMen comic...
On the flip side he's concentrating on the characters rather than relying on event driven hype to sell it. Yes a massive thing has happened, but here's the thing, people's lives still go on, the world keeps turning and everyone has their own problems. He's going to reference it, but it's not going to be "the" major issue (how many other books are covering it anyway?).

Honestly I suspect the main reason his cast is so isolated is due to:
a) It gives him larger creative freedom rather than having to kow tow to everything else or waste pannel space on material that has no purpose to the story he wants to tell (bearing in mind he's diong a finite run)
b) Constantly rewritting your stuff to take into account everything that's going on around you, not to mention keeping up with everything else, takes a helluva lot of work and can take all the fun out of it - you can become a slave rather than a master. Especially when you're dealing with a guy who has his fingers in so many others pies, all of which are outside the Marvel sphere.

I doubt he came on board to be told what to write (not like he's doing it for a pay cheque, or because he needs the coverage), he had an idea(s) and is running with it.

Personally I see Astonishing as an extended mini, because it is so out of time and will become a stand alone. We already have 2 other titles to do all the normal stuff in, it would be nice to have a few cameo backgrounds of other characters that live in the same place - but it isn't neccessary.

On the Emma thing: again, still can't wait for some good character dissection there. I don't think she was just biding her time as the evil queen in hiding, it's far more interesting if she's playing both sides of the fence. He has done pure predictalbe or outright bad turn to evil/possession before, but I'm hoping for some good character moments with this one.

[atoningunifex]

That was a nice interview. it's nice to see Whedon admit that he didn't really put much thought at all into how Colossus came back. Much more satisfying than the usual writer line "You'll have to wait and see!"

[Kirayoshi]

maybe he is being written as FINALLY moving on and accepting life and all its giftsNice thought. Too bad that Joss couldn't do that with Buffy before her best friend went Dark Phoenix!

[MasterOdin]

Personally I see Astonishing as an extended mini, because it is so out of time and will become a stand alone. We already have 2 other titles to do all the normal stuff in, it would be nice to have a few cameo backgrounds of other characters that live in the same place - but it isn't neccessary.

I agree with this. For all we know, the first arc in AX-M season 2 could be taking place just after Decimation. Just because some of the issues may be released while Civil War is going on, it doesn't mean the events that take place in issues #13-#24 occur during Civil War.

[jeangreydp]

I don't think I've ever appreciated Cassaday's pencils until just now. I think the art looks beautiful

:confused: Meanwhile, wtf? Cover to #14-
Logan+Emma= Yikes!

[Traser]

I don't think I've ever appreciated Cassaday's pencils until just now. I think the art looks beautiful

:confused: Meanwhile, wtf? Cover to #14-
Logan+Emma= Yikes!


Cassaday's art is amazing IMO, I wish these 2 would stay on board for more than "2 seasons".

As for the cover to issue 14, Logan is all about sloppy seconds what can I say :D

[Tobias March]

Anyone else catch the Margot Kidder line? Claws out then Joss eh? :p

[Doom Hammer]

I'm liking the look of these pages. Joss Whedon would make an excellent X-Men writer if he just thought on a smaller scale, like in his first arc. A couple little missions and a bunch of charming at-home drama that ties into a larger story. Looking at the pages, I'm reminded why I like AXM.

It's a new AXM arc, which means it's a new crazy theory from Doom Hammer. I'm one-for-one thus far, (because I totally CALLED Colossus :D ). I'm thinking like Beast is thinking:

The only "real" person is the one hidden by the cloak. The rest are characters that tie into Emma's past as some of her greatest failures and regrets, and she is simply being messed with or manipulated by the cloaked one. The reason the cloaked one can do this is because Emma has been in a precarious mental state since viewing firsthand the slaughter of the Genoshans, and trying Kick. Why not?

At least, I hope the story turns out like that. I'm all for the extension of story elements from Grant's run, but of all the cool things he introduced, it seems silly to bring back Cassandra as a villain when the rest of his influence has been virtually purged from the X-books. Cassandra was cool in a kind of crazy way under Grant's pen, but I don't see her translating well into other stories written by different writers. She was at her coolest in Imperial, and I'd like to remember her that way...(or at least, as little Ernst).

[Doom Hammer]

I always comment on Claremont's professional attitude, and I have to say the same thing about Joss Whedon here.

How many blockbuster Hollywood writers are big enough to admit that they messed up with a particular story, and reflect on it to avoid making the same kind of mistake? Hats off to Whedon.

[fishtaco]

Fishy, it's still going to be 6-issue arcs. It's just that the first four issues will ship bi-monthly and then the schedule will change back to monthly. 13-18 will be one 6-issue storyline and 19-24 will be another 6-issue storyline. And he didn't want to step on anyone's toes his first year, which is why he didn't use anyone else in the mansion in his storyline. It sounds like we may at least get a chance for him to have guest appearances by the other X-Men this time. :)huh? yeah, I know! What did I say? i dunno...maybe its just me, but it really irks me that Whedon seems to go OUT OF HIS WAY to alienate his Astonishing cast from the rest of the world at large.

Ignoring and avoiding the biggest thing to hit the X-verse in a decade? an event his cast was OVERWHELMINGLY involved in....? I dunno, it just bugs me. I mean, ever Claremont got a little of the Astonishing cast in his End of Greys final...but you will never find any of the Uncanny or Adjectiveless in his book...it just feels so disconnected from everything else that it doesnt seem to fit in, IMO...

dont get me wrong, i pick it up and enjoy it for the most part. but when i read it, i dont feel like im reading an XMen comic...That is precisely why I dislike the book.

and by the way, that Buffy/X-Men thing sounds like a baaaaaaaaad idea. I just want the X-Men to be the X-Men. Even the starjammers thingy sounds bad. I don't want the X-Men to connect with any entertainment that isn't in the Marvel universe, including tv shows, the DC universe, etc etc etc.

[Doom Hammer]

and by the way, that Buffy/X-Men thing sounds like a baaaaaaaaad idea. I just want the X-Men to be the X-Men. Even the starjammers thingy sounds bad. I don't want the X-Men to connect with any entertainment that isn't in the Marvel universe, including tv shows, the DC universe, etc etc etc.

You criticize him as though this was something he was commited to and in favor of, as opposed to something that was brought up by the interviewer and briefly reflected upon and referred to with a response of "unlikely". Don't pick at him, fishy. You'll get a good enough chance to do that when you read the issue summaries online. :D

[fishtaco]

You criticize him as though this was something he was commited to and in favor of, as opposed to something that was brought up by the interviewer and briefly reflected upon and referred to with a response of "unlikely". Don't pick at him, fishy. You'll get a good enough chance to do that when you read the issue summaries online. :DI'm not picking on him. I'm glad the idea was rejected, so I'm not complaining. I'm just saying that it's a bad idea. I was making a negative comment about the idea, but not Joss Whedon.

and by the way, I actually read the Dangerous issues. At Borders. I didn't buy them, though.

[blue13]

Why not? :D

because there hasn't been an attraction between them.

personally i think the cover is a red herring.

emma is going crazy and she's going to try to push scott away leading to her return to the hellfire club. i don't think she's going to be a villain.

[fishtaco]

because there hasn't been an attraction between them.

personally i think the cover is a red herring.

emma is going crazy and she's going to try to push scott away leading to her return to the hellfire club. i don't think she's going to be a villain.I hope she kills Cyclops, and then much later on becomes the White Queen of the real Hellfire Club when she murders Sat-yr-9 (but only after the subplot is finished) and expels Viper from the club. Then, she recruits a new batch of Hellions (with Hellion and Wither among them), and once again becomes one of the X-Men's most dangerous enemies.

An alliance with Sebastion Shaw doesn't seem to make much sense, though. I don't think Shaw has forgiven Emma Frost for voting him out of the Inner Circle in New Mutants (1st Series) 75. Shaw isn't very forgiving.

[Bryan Rios]

I'm not picking on him. I'm glad the idea was rejected, so I'm not complaining. I'm just saying that it's a bad idea. I was making a negative comment about the idea, but not Joss Whedon.
Dude, the idea wasn't rejected. The question was asked and Mike Marts said that it was Whedon's decision to make. Then Whedon said it would be unlikely to happen.

[milly3cat]

Let me just say that I have re-read Dangerous and I still like it, I don't care what other people say.

Issues 7, 8, 9 were very good, and the drawing of the danger room scene of the desert and monsters was perfect.

P.S. " The mole was in the danger room ten minutes ago " only Kitty and the students were in there ?

[Faded]

Let me just say that I have re-read Dangerous and I still like it, I don't care what other people say.

Issues 7, 8, 9 were very good, and the drawing of the danger room scene of the desert and monsters was perfect.

P.S. " The mole was in the danger room ten minutes ago " only Kitty and the students were in there ?

I'll be sad if its Hisako. I like her a lot.

...wait she can't be the traitor...she's gonna lead the X-Men!!! :D

[milly3cat]

I saw that in Runaways too. I hope it means we will be seeing more if her.
Did you know if the book came out every month it would be issue 24, instead of 13 on 22 feb.

[milly3cat]

Does any body think that dangerous entered into beast's mind at the end.

[Radical_dreamer]

I always comment on Claremont's professional attitude, and I have to say the same thing about Joss Whedon here.

How many blockbuster Hollywood writers are big enough to admit that they messed up with a particular story, and reflect on it to avoid making the same kind of mistake? Hats off to Whedon.

Actually many people enjoyed the second arc alot more than the first. Might I suggest reading it as a whole TPB style? I still kick myself for listening to the internet bashing when it turned out to be one of the best self-contained x-stories of the past few years for me. Yay WhedoN!

[Brian M.]

I hope she kills Cyclops, and then much later on becomes the White Queen of the real Hellfire Club when she murders Sat-yr-9 (but only after the subplot is finished) and expels Viper from the club. Then, she recruits a new batch of Hellions (with Hellion and Wither among them), and once again becomes one of the X-Men's most dangerous enemies.

An alliance with Sebastion Shaw doesn't seem to make much sense, though. I don't think Shaw has forgiven Emma Frost for voting him out of the Inner Circle in New Mutants (1st Series) 75. Shaw isn't very forgiving.

Who's to say what is the real Hellfire club? Just b/c Claremont used it in his Uncanny arc doesn't make that one the OFFICAL END ALL THAT IS ALL HELLFIRE CLUB. Whedon's Club, if it turns out is tangetable, seems like it is more like the Hellfire of old, sneaky, always behind the scenes. That crap led by Sunspot is funny not serious.

[fishtaco]

Who's to say what is the real Hellfire club? Just b/c Claremont used it in his Uncanny arc doesn't make that one the OFFICAL END ALL THAT IS ALL HELLFIRE CLUB. Whedon's Club, if it turns out is tangetable, seems like it is more like the Hellfire of old, sneaky, always behind the scenes. That crap led by Sunspot is funny not serious.That's beside the point. The plot cannot be continued in New Excalibur for awhile now because of Joss Whedon's rudeness. I can care less about Whedon's HFC. I want to read about the Hellfire Club that was introduced in Uncanny X-Men 449, 452-454. I don't appreciate writers getting in the way of other writer's stories like that.

[Nick Kal]

That's beside the point. The plot cannot be continued in New Excalibur for awhile now because of Joss Whedon's rudeness. I can care less about Whedon's HFC. I want to read about the Hellfire Club that was introduced in Uncanny X-Men 449, 452-454. I don't appreciate writers getting in the way of other writer's stories like that.

Whedon's rudeness? Couldn't someone say it is rude of Claremont to want to be the only one to write the Hellfire Club cause he created it? Should Stan Lee just not let anyone write X-Men anymore?

We understand you like Claremont, but stop shitting on everyone else because he isn't getting to write the Hellfire Club and isn't writing Uncanny. He's still going to be writing and doing some new and different things. You should be appreciative he's writing at all.

[fishtaco]

Whedon's rudeness? Couldn't someone say it is rude of Claremont to want to be the only one to write the Hellfire Club cause he created it? Should Stan Lee just not let anyone write X-Men anymore?

We understand you like Claremont, but stop shitting on everyone else because he isn't getting to write the Hellfire Club and isn't writing Uncanny. He's still going to be writing and doing some new and different things. You should be appreciative he's writing at all.That's not what I said. Claremont was in the middle of telling a story, and another writer butted in and since the editors don't want to anger him, they let that writer steal the plot. If Whedon introduced his Hellfire club plot before Claremont did, then I would have had a problem with Claremont butting in. But that is not what happened.

[Radical_dreamer]

That's not what I said. Claremont was in the middle of telling a story, and another writer butted in and since the editors don't want to anger him, they let that writer steal the plot. If Whedon introduced his Hellfire club plot before Claremont did, then I would have had a problem with Claremont butting in. But that is not what happened.

If claremont cant tell a simple story in one arc and needss 20-25 issues in between two or three acts then too bad for him. and frankly aside from the emma-rachel interaction and andy park's art that arc was subpar and extremely mediocre. dont let the name on the cover fool you.

[Nick Kal]

That's not what I said. Claremont was in the middle of telling a story, and another writer butted in and since the editors don't want to anger him, they let that writer steal the plot. If Whedon introduced his Hellfire club plot before Claremont did, then I would have had a problem with Claremont butting in. But that is not what happened.

Did the Hellfire Club story start in New Excalibur? Also if it didn't and it started in Uncanny... how long was Claremont on that book? Why couldn't he have told it while he was on the book and before the Astonishing stuff even began to happen? As far as I have read from solicitations it has been a lot fo boring stories about the X-Men going to the jungle or Rachel Grey's family dying... and it takes 28 or so issues to explain why Psylocke is back.. it's his own fault for not plotting it right, IMO.

And you don't know what Whedon' plot is... and I'm sure he isn't stealing it. He came up with an idea that could have maybe been better than Claremont's... which would have likely taken 30 issues on Uncanny to resolve...

[Nick Kal]

If claremont cant tell a simple story in one arc and needss 20-25 issues in between two or three acts then too bad for him. and frankly aside from the emma-rachel interaction and andy park's art that arc was subpar and extremely mediocre. dont let the name on the cover fool you.

Exactly my thoughts as stated above.

[Faded]

That's not what I said. Claremont was in the middle of telling a story, and another writer butted in and since the editors don't want to anger him, they let that writer steal the plot. If Whedon introduced his Hellfire club plot before Claremont did, then I would have had a problem with Claremont butting in. But that is not what happened.

You act as if Whedon decided to use the HFC out of malice. "Joss Whedon's rudeness"? Seriously, dude...chill out. Don't assume you know what's behind closed doors and whats floating around in people's heads. :rolleyes:

[fishtaco]

You act as if Whedon decided to use the HFC out of malice. "Joss Whedon's rudeness"? Seriously, dude...chill out. Don't assume you know what's behind closed doors and whats floating around in people's heads. :rolleyes:Whatever his intentions were, what he did was rude and disgusting. He didn't use the HFC to piss off fans that are interested in the already established hellfire club. He used it because that's the story he wanted to tell, and he didn't care or even bother to look at any other books that are in the same reality as his. I thought that Whedon was paying attention to Uncanny X-Men, with him being a big Claremont fan like he says he is, and all.

[Nick Kal]

Whatever his intentions were, what he did was rude and disgusting. He didn't use the HFC to piss off fans that are interested in the already established hellfire club. He used it because that's the story he wanted to tell, and he didn't care or even bother to look at any other books that are in the same reality as his. I thought that Whedon was paying attention to Uncanny X-Men, with him being a big Claremont fan like he says he is, and all.

Oh he's not just rude but disgusting! And yet you have no response to Claremont not being able to tell that story with the amount of time he was already on the title... hmmm

[Radical_dreamer]

Whatever his intentions were, what he did was rude and disgusting. He didn't use the HFC to piss off fans that are interested in the already established hellfire club. He used it because that's the story he wanted to tell, and he didn't care or even bother to look at any other books that are in the same reality as his. I thought that Whedon was paying attention to Uncanny X-Men, with him being a big Claremont fan like he says he is, and all.

wow.

so Claremont writes an extremely sucky 3-issue arc about an x-mythos concept and then moves on to telepathic dinosaurs and multiverse. And because he leaves the concept open-ended and doesnt touch it for about 20 issues it should still remain off limit to other writers who have interesting stories to tell. yeah ok. I get it. that makes complete sense. You'd be willing to defend corn poop in front of the supreme court if claremont's name was on it wouldnt you?

[Faded]

Whatever his intentions were, what he did was rude and disgusting. He didn't use the HFC to piss off fans that are interested in the already established hellfire club. He used it because that's the story he wanted to tell, and he didn't care or even bother to look at any other books that are in the same reality as his. I thought that Whedon was paying attention to Uncanny X-Men, with him being a big Claremont fan like he says he is, and all.

And as Whedon mentioned, he writes his scripts way in advance and turns them in advance. Disgusting? This is a comic book discussion regarding a plot between two writers. And Claremont doesn't have anything in print that directly says he was going to use the HFC--its based on online interviews and message boards--something I'm not too sure Whedon visits.

Please stop victimizing Claremont. Its old.

[Hi-Fi]

Whatever his intentions were, what he did was rude and disgusting. He didn't use the HFC to piss off fans that are interested in the already established hellfire club. He used it because that's the story he wanted to tell, and he didn't care or even bother to look at any other books that are in the same reality as his. I thought that Whedon was paying attention to Uncanny X-Men, with him being a big Claremont fan like he says he is, and all.

How old are you, 10?


I'm glad that the HFC is at Whedon's hands. Maybe now we can see something original done with it.

[Beast]

How old are you, 10?


I'm glad that the HFC is at Whedon's hands. Maybe now we can see something original done with it.
You mean the same sort of thing that they did back in the 70's and 80's?

Cause that's not original. :)

But to be fair, Fishy you need to dial it back and wait to see what is going on. Just because CC established the New HFC, doesn't mean that Shaw isn't going to want to get his claws back into it and set up it more in his image. Give it time to play out and see where it's going, before having a tantrum. :)

[Hi-Fi]

You mean the same sort of thing that they did back in the 70's and 80's?

Cause that's not original. :)



I didn't know you've already read the next Antonishing arcs. :rolleyes:

I'm just happy we wont see yet another Rachel/Selene battle. Everything is about Rachel nowadays. It bores me. :)

[Babylon23]

If claremont cant tell a simple story in one arc and needss 20-25 issues in between two or three acts then too bad for him. and frankly aside from the emma-rachel interaction and andy park's art that arc was subpar and extremely mediocre. dont let the name on the cover fool you.

You know, Whedon will be taking 24 issues to tell his Ord story. Should other writers be allowed to take Ord away from him because he's taking so long with that story?

[Nick Kal]

You know, Whedon will be taking 24 issues to tell his Ord story. Should other writers be allowed to take Ord away from him because he's taking so long with that story?

Has Claremont told a whole HFC story before? :)

Also, Ord story was finished in the first arc with obvious traces for a future story.

As I've said already, Claremont just brought a character back from teh dead and decided not to explain it untill 28 issues later.... it's his own plotting style that is messing him up.

[Babylon23]

Has Claremont told a whole HFC story before? :)

Also, Ord story was finished in the first arc with obvious traces for a future story.

As I've said already, Claremont just brought a character back from teh dead and decided not to explain it untill 28 issues later.... it's his own plotting style that is messing him up.

But Ord's story wasn't anywhere near complete. There's an X-Man about to destory his world. It's one of the current group. Hiss first story arc set up the foundation for the Ord story, much like Chasing Hellfire set up the foundation for Claremont's HC story. I don't see any difference at all.

[Nick Kal]

But Ord's story wasn't anywhere near complete. There's an X-Man about to destory his world. It's one of the current group. Hiss first story arc set up the foundation for the Ord story, much like Chasing Hellfire set up the foundation for Claremont's HC story. I don't see any difference at all.

An X-Man about to destroy his world? I'm not remembering something... All I know is that Ord's plan was stopped and he is still a threat. That is how most stories are. Villains is stopped for moment and will reappear down the line.

What was that Chasing Hellfire story? Tell me. Also, why couldn't he have written it before Whedon decided to do his story? Why was the Dino Mutant story, etc. so much more important to him?

[Babylon23]

An X-Man about to destroy his world? I'm not remembering something... All I know is that Ord's plan was stopped and he is still a threat. That is how most stories are. Villains is stopped for moment and will reappear down the line.

What was that Chasing Hellfire story? Tell me. Also, why couldn't he have written it before Whedon decided to do his story? Why was the Dino Mutant story, etc. so much more important to him?

Unless I'm mistaken, Ord is after the X-Men because one of them is going to destroy the Breakworld. That's why he had the cure setup in the first place. This is a big part of his motivation, and is a plot seed that is going to play out in Whedon's 2nd year.

Chasing Hellfire set up Sunspot as the new Black King of the Hellfire Club. The story played out, with Sage manipulating Shaw and Pierce to take one another out, allowing her to put Sunstop in his new position of power. That story was complete, and Claremont obviously had plans for the new HC. That whole story now seems to have been ignored, with Shaw returning as the Black King.

Since I'm not Claremont, I have no idea why he chose to write the Dino story, or any story he writes.

[Beast]

Has Claremont told a whole HFC story before? :)

Also, Ord story was finished in the first arc with obvious traces for a future story.

As I've said already, Claremont just brought a character back from teh dead and decided not to explain it untill 28 issues later.... it's his own plotting style that is messing him up.
13 issues. Because the HoM crossover isn't really a part of the true continuity. :)

[Nick Kal]

Unless I'm mistaken, Ord is after the X-Men because one of them is going to destroy the Breakworld. That's why he had the cure setup in the first place. This is a big part of his motivation, and is a plot seed that is going to play out in Whedon's 2nd year.

Chasing Hellfire set up Sunspot as the new Black King of the Hellfire Club. The story played out, with Sage manipulating Shaw and Pierce to take one another out, allowing her to put Sunstop in his new position of power. That story was complete, and Claremont obviously had plans for the new HC. That whole story now seems to have been ignored, with Shaw returning as the Black King.

Since I'm not Claremont, I have no idea why he chose to write the Dino story, or any story he writes.

Oh right. Well this seems like one of thos stories where you set up something for a bigger story.

From what your description says, it seems like Claremont completed a story of a new HFC being put into place. We don't anything about this new one. They could be working against the other or they could not be real as some are speculating.... they could be part of the other one.. we don't know.

However, Psylocke coming back from the dead could lead up to a big story, but that 3 parter doesn't seem like one and it just seems he had that dangle for no reason. We shall see... the fact is he had chances to write the HFC and didn't.

[Nick Kal]

13 issues. Because the HoM crossover isn't really a part of the true continuity. :)

We discussed this in the other thread. :)

Also, Uncanny still counts in cumulative issues. :)

[Beast]

We discussed this in the other thread. :)

Also, Uncanny still counts in cumulative issues. :)
Doesn't matter. Altered Reality's don't count, if none of the events really carry over. So while it may count for the issue numbers, it doesn't count for the storyline. :)

[Nick Kal]

Doesn't matter. Altered Reality's don't count, if none of the events really carry over. So while it may count for the issue numbers, it doesn't count for the storyline. :)

But still, issue time was taken up. Claremont could have just as easily told the story before the HoM crossover. :)

[Beast]

But still, issue time was taken up. Claremont could have just as easily told the story before the HoM crossover. :)
Not really. House of M came through before he was ready to. :)

And Psylocke's return is a building mystery that has a point and a reason, he's trying to give people something to 'tune in next month for'. It's sad that noone seems to have the patience for storytelling anymore. I blame our culture wanting eveything now and handed to us on a silver platter instead of allowing things to develop and build. Instead of good old home cooking, everyone wants fast food. :p

[Nick Kal]

Not really. House of M came through before he was ready to. :)

And Psylocke's return is a building mystery that has a point and a reason, he's trying to give people something to 'tune in next month for'. It's sad that noone seems to have the patience for storytelling anymore. I blame our culture wanting eveything now and handed to us on a silver platter instead of allowing things to develop and build. Instead of good old home cooking, everyone wants fast food. :p

Everyone doesn't want to pay 2.50 a month for about a year and a half's worth of issues to find out how Psylocke is back from the dead. She's back, but how? Oh I'll let you know in maybe 20 issues when I figure out how myself or decided it's time that I do it. Let me slip in a dinosaur story first, though... since I don't have HFC plans which Whedon will steal from me... Oh it all makes sense now! :)

[Beast]

Everyone doesn't want to pay 2.50 a month for about a year and a half's worth of issues to find out how Psylocke is back from the dead. She's back, but how? Oh I'll let you know in maybe 20 issues when I figure out how myself or decided it's time that I do it. Let me slip in a dinosaur story first, though... since I don't have HFC plans which Whedon will steal from me... Oh it all makes sense now! :)
Well, at least you'll get an explaination. Where's the explaination for Colossus? There isn't one, because there never will be one. Whedon never planned to supply any answer behind the return, other than what Colossus theorized happened to him after being told what happened. That's a great deal cheesier than leaving a mystery dangle for a while before revealing it, especially if it's always being refrenced.

That's very unfair you know, every writer has building stories that don't play out for months and years. To single CC out for doing the same thing is rather unfair. Are you next going to target Brubaker for using 6 issues of Deadly Genesis to set up his Uncanny run. Or how about using a story from 30+ years ago to set up Deadly Genesis. Because he writes in the same vein as CC does, just like Morrison does, etc.

[Babylon23]

Oh right. Well this seems like one of thos stories where you set up something for a bigger story.

From what your description says, it seems like Claremont completed a story of a new HFC being put into place. We don't anything about this new one. They could be working against the other or they could not be real as some are speculating.... they could be part of the other one.. we don't know.

True. Another poster on one of these threads suggested that the HC was only off-limits so as not to spoil the fact that the Astonishing team exists only in Emma Frost's head. We probably won't know until issue 4-6 of Astonishing.

However, Psylocke coming back from the dead could lead up to a big story, but that 3 parter doesn't seem like one and it just seems he had that dangle for no reason. We shall see... the fact is he had chances to write the HFC and didn't.

But he did write the HC, and has continued to use Courtney Ross, the new White Queen. The problem here is that Claremont used the HC, set up a whole new status quo, and that status quo seems to be getting ignored.

The problem here is editors. Somebody needs to co-ordinate the x-books, so that these problems don't occur in the future.

[Nick Kal]

Well, at least you'll get an explaination. Where's the explaination for Colossus? There isn't one, because there never will be one. Whedon never planned to supply any answer behind the return, other than what Colossus theorized happened to him after being told what happened. That's a great deal cheesier than leaving a mystery dangle for a while before revealing it, especially if it's always being refrenced.

That's very unfair you know, every writer has building stories that don't play out for months and years. To single CC out for doing the same thing is rather unfair. Are you next going to target Brubaker for using 6 issues of Deadly Genesis to set up his Uncanny run. Or how about using a story from 30+ years ago to set up Deadly Genesis. Because he writes in the same vein as CC does, just like Morrison does, etc.

All I'm saying is that he had a chance to tell all his stories and people are bitching he isn't getting a chance but he wasted it by spreading out his stories so they want to attack Whedon, etc. who do the same thing but to less of an extent.. because hey... Whedon is finishing up his stories. Claremont could have, but didn't. Brubaker will too. Claremont just isn't a good plotter.

As for Colossus.. we really don't know. His explanation is good enough, for me... we shall see.

[Beast]

All I'm saying is that he had a chance to tell all his stories and people are bitching he isn't getting a chance but he wasted it by spreading out his stories so they want to attack Whedon, etc. who do the same thing but to less of an extent.. because hey... Whedon is finishing up his stories. Claremont could have, but didn't. Brubaker will too. Claremont just isn't a good plotter.

As for Colossus.. we really don't know. His explanation is good enough, for me... we shall see.
He didn't spread out his story, he finished each story while letting a running mystery play out in the background of those stories as a mystery to be wrapped up later. Most comic writers use this exact same style for their stories, in fact it because the big thing after CC started doing in way back in the 70's. It's not changed in 30 years, maybe because it works? And we already know in the case of Colossus, Whedon said he's not going to explain it any further than the theories that were offered.

[Nick Kal]

He didn't spread out his story, he finished each story while letting a running mystery play out in the background of those stories as a mystery to be wrapped up later. Most comic writers use this exact same style for their stories, in fact it because the big thing after CC started doing in way back in the 70's. It's not changed in 30 years, maybe because it works? And we already know in the case of Colossus, Whedon said he's not going to explain it any further than the theories that were offered.

The HFC story is finished I thought, but seemingly unfinished all of a sudden. Who cares at this point. The fact is he had like 2 damn years on the book to write these stories and he didn't. Get over it.

Colossus' theories are fine. Mystery is good.

[Frank]

Where's the explaination for Colossus? There isn't one, because there never will be one.

Collossus was revived out of the consequences of the experiment to creat the mutant-curing serum.

[Beast]

Where's the explaination for Colossus? There isn't one, because there never will be one.

Collossus was revived out of the consequences of the experiment to creat the mutant-curing serum.
Ok, how was his body stolen right from under the X-Men's nose? How did this Ord know that the cure for the legacy virus would create a cure from mutation? How did Ord even know that Colossus had used the cure on himself? How was Colossus' body replaced before cremation? What was cremated and later scattered by Kitty? Why did Wolverine see Piotr's soul in the afterlife when he died for a short time? There's a bunch of questions there that haven't been and will not be answered. :)

[Babylon23]

The HFC story is finished I thought, but seemingly unfinished all of a sudden. Who cares at this point. The fact is he had like 2 damn years on the book to write these stories and he didn't. Get over it.

The point is that Claremont set up a new HC, with Sunspot as Black King, and Courtney Ross as White Queen. Now there's suddenly a whole other HC of completely different members.

What should have occurred is that the editors should have co-ordinated their efforts. They should have known that Whedon was using the HC, and changed CC's story, or vice cersa. Instead, they've suddenly decided that Whedon can use his HC, thus invalidating CC's already-published story.

Of course, this could all change if the HC is a figment of Emma's imagination, or if Whedon references Claremont's HC.

[Nick Kal]

The point is that Claremont set up a new HC, with Sunspot as Black King, and Courtney Ross as White Queen. Now there's suddenly a whole other HC of completely different members.

What should have occurred is that the editors should have co-ordinated their efforts. They should have known that Whedon was using the HC, and changed CC's story, or vice cersa. Instead, they've suddenly decided that Whedon can use his HC, thus invalidating CC's already-published story.

Of course, this could all change if the HC is a figment of Emma's imagination, or if Whedon references Claremont's HC.

We also know nothing of them at this point so let's just see.

[Babylon23]

We also know nothing of them at this point so let's just see.

I'll use these boards to keep track of Astonishing. I found the first run overly decompressed for my tastes, so I probably won't be picking it up.

I hope we'll eventually see the HC in Excalibur.

[Kirayoshi]

Ok, how was his body stolen right from under the X-Men's nose? How did this Ord know that the cure for the legacy virus would create a cure from mutation? How did Ord even know that Colossus had used the cure on himself? How was Colossus' body replaced before cremation? What was cremated and later scattered by Kitty? Why did Wolverine see Piotr's soul in the afterlife when he died for a short time? There's a bunch of questions there that haven't been and will not be answered. :)It was established in AXM #6 that Ord's race possessed technology that would allow them to see into the future. If this tech showed them that a mutant, probably an X-Man, would destroy their world, maybe it allowed Ord to pinpoint other facts as well, such as Piotr's injecting himself with the Legacy cure and where his body would be taken after his 'death'. This insight into the future may have served Ord enough to determine that Piotr's injecting the Legacy cure would allow him to use Piotr's body to create a mutancy cure. He could then arrange for himself or an agent of his to snatch Piotr's body and revive it from a near-death state at just the right time.

As for Logan's vision of Piotr in the afterlife, he probably just saw what he imagined he would see or wanted to see.

Just a suggestion.

[Nick Kal]

It was established in AXM #6 that Ord's race possessed technology that would allow them to see into the future. If this tech showed them that a mutant, probably an X-Man, would destroy their world, maybe it allowed Ord to pinpoint other facts as well, such as Piotr's injecting himself with the Legacy cure and where his body would be taken after his 'death'. This insight into the future may have served Ord enough to determine that Piotr's injecting the Legacy cure would allow him to use Piotr's body to create a mutancy cure. He could then arrange for himself or an agent of his to snatch Piotr's body and revive it from a near-death state at just the right time.

As for Logan's vision of Piotr in the afterlife, he probably just saw what he imagined he would see or wanted to see.

Just a suggestion.

These sound like very good explanations.

[milly3cat]

You guy's have been arguing for 3 pages, so I think it's time for some astonishing talk.

Does anybody think that danger went into beast's body at the end of issue 12 ?

[Beast]

You guy's have been arguing for 3 pages, so I think it's time for some astonishing talk.

Does anybody think that danger went into beast's body at the end of issue 12 ?
Doubtful. She was stated as being in the back of the Wild Sentinel's mind like a Jimminy Cricket. :p

[Jake V]

You guy's have been arguing for 3 pages, so I think it's time for some astonishing talk.

Does anybody think that danger went into beast's body at the end of issue 12 ?
Man, I hope not. I've had more than enough of the sentient Danger Room.

[Nick Kal]

I just think Beast is gonna go primal... and some fun X in-fighting could happen.

[milly3cat]

Beast clearly said " MINE " in a funny vioce and was drawn strangley.