X-Men# 181 (Preview)

[Brian M.]

http://www.buzzscope.com/previewer.php?id=5382&p=1

[(NO)]

Awesome!

Looks like Milligan's run might get interesting.

BTW, Lorna's lookin' real impressive at the bottom of page 4.

[lament]

Looks good, except for the promise of a Franklin Richards story.

[Beast]

Ok, Pocy's return seems to being handled well. Still hate Doop Jr. though. :)

[Beast]

Looks good, except for the promise of a Franklin Richards story.
It's just a lil back-up story at the end of the book. :)

[milly3cat]

I had no interest in buying this issue last week.... but the preview looks great and I will give it a try.

Wow, I can't believe I was affected to buy something from a preview page . :confused:

[Faded]

Seems awesome. Doop, Jr. is so cute!

[jcp011c]

I have completely not been interested in this book of late, and only holding out hope for the Blood Of Apocolypse storyline. That is Milligans last chance for me - and if it weren't such an awesome villain I'd have dropped this after Wild Kingdom.

Unfortunately this preview doesn't help to increase my interest - I'll get it and probably be most happy with the Apocolypse relevant pages :(

[streator]

i don't like apoc being "awoken from his last slumber", as he was supposed to have been destroyed 5-6 years ago now. i have less faith that the cyclops/apoc bit will be referenced after this preview. i will still read the issues, but from what i can gather, marvel is not handling apoc's return as i thought they would.

[Will.S]

i don't like apoc being "awoken from his last slumber", as he was supposed to have been destroyed 5-6 years ago now. i have less faith that the cyclops/apoc bit will be referenced after this preview. i will still read the issues, but from what i can gather, marvel is not handling apoc's return as i thought they would.
I'm hoping they're retconning The Twelve but I liked the preview.

[Brian M.]

You don't really have to retcon the Search for Cyclops ending. Instead of Cable destroying his essence all he did was distrub it and scatter it...kinda like Jean said, she's gotta gather all her peices before she can return, same with Apoc.

[Erkoban]

i don't like apoc being "awoken from his last slumber", as he was supposed to have been destroyed 5-6 years ago now. i have less faith that the cyclops/apoc bit will be referenced after this preview. i will still read the issues, but from what i can gather, marvel is not handling apoc's return as i thought they would.

New rules.

If it happened five years ago, or two, or one year, it is no longer relevant and can be forgotten and ignored.

Apocalypse dead and burried, his soul stabbed and killed by Cable, no worries, it's been five years ago, there's no-one left who remembers it, so let's just pretend it never happened. So yes, whatever money you spent on The Search for Cyclops, and whatever money you wasted on The Twelve, has been spent and wasted on something that could just as easily not have happened.

Continuity is dead, you're spending your money on something that is irrelevant.

[Jake V]

New rules.

If it happened five years ago, or two, or one year, it is no longer relevant and can be forgotten and ignored.

Apocalypse dead and burried, his soul stabbed and killed by Cable, no worries, it's been five years ago, there's no-one left who remembers it, so let's just pretend it never happened. So yes, whatever money you spent on The Search for Cyclops, and whatever money you wasted on The Twelve, has been spent and wasted on something that could just as easily not have happened.

Continuity is dead, you're spending your money on something that is irrelevant.
It isn't irrelevant if you enjoy reading it. Some people read comics because they like reading the stories, not to follow continuity. Were people fools to buy DCU comics before Crisis? Are people who buy elseworld books fools because that continuity doesn't "count"? It's only as irrelevant as you want it to be.

[Erkoban]

It isn't irrelevant if you enjoy reading it. Some people read comics because they like reading the stories, not to follow continuity. Were people fools to buy DCU comics before Crisis? Are people who buy elseworld books fools because that continuity doesn't "count"? It's only as irrelevant as you want it to be.

It's as irrelevant as marvel makes it irrelevant.

Let's face it, Apocalypse was dead and burried, his soul destroyed. That was the point of the Search for Cyclops. We all saw it happen. That was one of the reasons why Cyclops changed.

The analogy with Elseworlds is flawed, because Elseworlds are essentially What ifs. You buy them BECAUSE they aren't part of the regular continuity.

What if five years ago Superman's lover had a baby, but it died five days after it was born. Clark loved the kid dearly, and vowed never to let it happen again. Five years later, and two creative teams further, the kid isn't mentioned.

Now the villain responsible for the death of little Clark Kent jr. shows up, and this is the first time since the tragic death of the child that we get to see him.

There is however no mention of the kid, no mention of the damage done to superman's life, no mention of that pivotal encounter between this hero and villain. Instead, the villain returns with a big pompous stereotypical speech about how this is going to be the end of Superman and what-not.

Then the story of how superman lost his child has become irrelevant, because it's no longer of any importance to the character today, to both characters today. As if it never happened, as if it never meant anything.

A turning point at the time for both characters, meaningless now.

[Will.S]

It's as irrelevant as marvel makes it irrelevant.

Let's face it, Apocalypse was dead and burried, his soul destroyed. That was the point of the Search for Cyclops. We all saw it happen. That was one of the reasons why Cyclops changed.
Why not just wait until the issues are out to see if they properly explain it? So far his return seems House of M related (varying energies awakening villains such as The Collective and the villain in Deadly Genesis). Plus I don't think Cable and Phoenix were truly able to destroy his soul as I never really expected Apocalypse to stay dead.

[Jake V]

It's as irrelevant as marvel makes it irrelevant.

Let's face it, Apocalypse was dead and burried, his soul destroyed. That was the point of the Search for Cyclops. We all saw it happen. That was one of the reasons why Cyclops changed.

The analogy with Elseworlds is flawed, because Elseworlds are essentially What ifs. You buy them BECAUSE they aren't part of the regular continuity.

What if five years ago Superman's lover had a baby, but it died five days after it was born. Clark loved the kid dearly, and vowed never to let it happen again. Five years later, and two creative teams further, the kid isn't mentioned.

Now the villain responsible for the death of little Clark Kent jr. shows up, and this is the first time since the tragic death of the child that we get to see him.

There is however no mention of the kid, no mention of the damage done to superman's life, no mention of that pivotal encounter between this hero and villain. Instead, the villain returns with a big pompous stereotypical speech about how this is going to be the end of Superman and what-not.

Then the story of how superman lost his child has become irrelevant, because it's no longer of any importance to the character today, to both characters today. As if it never happened, as if it never meant anything.

A turning point at the time for both characters, meaningless now.
Then it never means anything from that point forward. Doesn't take the first story away, you've still got the back issues to read until the pages fall apart. They'll always be there. I really couldn't care less about continuity, I just want entertaining stories to read. And seriously, ignoring the existence of Supermans child is a far cry from Apocalypse returning (something you haven't given the comic a chance to explain yet).

[Jake V]

Why not just wait until the issues are out to see if they properly explain it? So far his return seems House of M related (varying energies awakening villains such as The Collective and the villain in Deadly Genesis). Plus I don't think Cable and Phoenix were truly able to destroy his soul as I never really expected Apocalypse to stay dead.
hah. How exactly does one destroy a soul? I'd like some sort of explanation as to how one destroys energy, something that cannot be destroyed.

[Erkoban]

Then it never means anything from that point forward. Doesn't take the first story away, you've still got the back issues to read until the pages fall apart. They'll always be there. I really couldn't care less about continuity, I just want entertaining stories to read. And seriously, ignoring the existence of Supermans child is a far cry from Apocalypse returning (something you haven't given the comic a chance to explain yet).

Nothing exists in a vacuum, and events are what they are because of the history attached to them.

You seem to think that you can't tell stories with continuity intact, that somehow you have to abandon history in order to create a present, and I wonder if you even care about a future, as it is the present only concerns you, you're interested in the short term, and not even the present interests you because you only seem to want throwaway stories, that aren't connected to anything.

The first story still stands, but it has no relevance in the natural order of things.

You want an eternal present, with no change and no direction, with nothing except archetypical characters, characters that will never grow, will never evolve, will never learn, you only want one type and you want it to be maintained into eternity, after all, if it learns and if it grows, it means that it has a history, a relevant history even, and a history means continuity, and you don't care about that.

I want charles to walk, so next panel, he's going to walk into the room and then do a little dance.

I want Storm to have a trauma due to a miscarriage, but I want the baby's father to be Cannonball, and I don't want the pregnancy right now, so I'll decide it happened some years ago, which I'll reference in dialogue.

I want Jean to be a guy and cyclops a homosexual, and Emma frost never existed, but the next story everything is going to be what it was again, and then Jean turns into the Phoenix.

[Jake V]

Nothing exists in a vacuum, and events are what they are because of the history attached to them.
This isn't true at all. There are plenty of stories that stand on their own. All Star Superman, for example, has no continuity of it's own. It references past events that no comic book depicts. It was still an entertaining story. It outsells X-Men comics too.

You seem to think that you can't tell stories with continuity intact, that somehow you have to abandon history in order to create a present, and I wonder if you even care about a future, as it is the present only concerns you, you're interested in the short term, and not even the present interests you because you only seem to want throwaway stories, that aren't connected to anything.
Stories don't NEED to abandon continuity. They can use it or not use it. Just because a quality story can be told that is steeped in continuity doesn't mean that the same rule needs to apply for ALL stories. Look at novels or movies. Stories that stand on their own, needing no other stories to draw from. Even movie and book sequels play fast and loose with the continuity that the first installment established. These forms of entertainment have an infinitely larger audience than comic books that are steeped in continuity.

The first story still stands, but it has no relevance in the natural order of things.
Define "natural order of things". A week or so ago, I picked up DC's Stories by Alan Moore. Some of the best superhero stories I've ever read. None of them have ANY bearing on current DC universe books, but the stories still do what they were written to do: entertain.

You want an eternal present, with no change and no direction, with nothing except archetypical characters, characters that will never grow, will never evolve, will never learn, you only want one type and you want it to be maintained into eternity, after all, if it learns and if it grows, it means that it has a history, a relevant history even, and a history means continuity, and you don't care about that.
What I want is to be entertained. If continuity can be used to do it, great. If not, great. It doesn't matter to me either way. I'd be more than willing to read a story about Wolverine as a female circus performer as long as it is well written. I'd also enjoy a Wolverine story that draws on a lot of his history. As long as it's well written and enjoyable, I don't really care.

I want charles to walk, so next panel, he's going to walk into the room and then do a little dance.

I want Storm to have a trauma due to a miscarriage, but I want the baby's father to be Cannonball, and I don't want the pregnancy right now, so I'll decide it happened some years ago, which I'll reference in dialogue.

I want Jean to be a guy and cyclops a homosexual, and Emma frost never existed, but the next story everything is going to be what it was again, and then Jean turns into the Phoenix.
Good for you. I hope things work out in your favor.

[xmanson]

I know the crators think I'm supposed to jump of joy with a simple glimpse of Doop on the book, but.... meh.

[Cayman]

This issue looks like a lot of fun. I look forward to Gazer meeting Apocalypse. Too bad Phantom Torso stopped talking though.

Apocalypse would look more bad-ass without that dorky 'A' on his belt though. Lorna looks like an elf or something. This is the same artist who did the previous issue? It doesn't seem all that consistent.

Cay

[streator]

Nothing exists in a vacuum
i exist in a vacuum, and my name is lloyd.
vive la revolucion!

[Valmore]

What is this, the Elf-Men? First Gambit looks like a Drow, now Lorna looks like she belongs with Liv Tyler in Lord of the Rings.

The Age of Mutants is over... now is the Age of Elvenkind.

[Beast]

What is this, the Elf-Men? First Gambit looks like a Drow, now Lorna looks like she belongs with Liv Tyler in Lord of the Rings.

The Age of Mutants is over... now is the Age of Elvenkind.
Agreed. She looks more like Blink after a green dye job. :)

[Blackcat]

Too bad Phantom Torso stopped talking though.
Cay

Maybe he left his wrapping by teleportation and he's the 4th horseman.

[larroca fan]

beast, i saw the same thing, polaris looks like blink and thats the only page i hate because of cruz lorna oh and i found an extra page at comiccontinuum and polaris forces alex back with some kind of wind or maybe it was doop using powers ? i don't know check it out and tell me what you think.

[Cayman]

Maybe he left his wrapping by teleportation and he's the 4th horseman.

That'd be funny if Apocalypse got him all tricked-out as a horseman but all he could do was dangle there.

Cay

[X-Men Forever]

As if it never happened, as if it never meant anything.

A turning point at the time for both characters, meaningless now.

Since when did Marvel comics become religious books? You want meaning? then go read the Bible :D .

[X-Men Forever]

beast, i saw the same thing, polaris looks like blink and thats the only page i hate because of cruz lorna oh and i found an extra page at comiccontinuum and polaris forces alex back with some kind of wind or maybe it was doop using powers ? i don't know check it out and tell me what you think.

larroca fan, you are one of my favorite posters here at CBR. It is always a challenge for me to try and decipher each one of your posts.

[Jellobay]

I like Roger Cruz. :)

Boobies. :)

[twilight]

I love you Doop!

[fishtaco]

Sal's art seems to be getting back on track. Those pages look very nice...except for that close up shot of Polaris.

[Brian M.]

Sal's art seems to be getting back on track. Those pages look very nice...except for that close up shot of Polaris.

That's not Sal's art. The art from the preview pages of #182 is Sal.

[Faded]

I love you Doop!

Me too!!! Your avvie is sooo adorable! I want a Doop doll...pronto!!!

[larroca fan]

how can people get cruz art mixed up with larroca's, there totally different style's. but i like cruz's art and love larroca's art. I don't really know much about doop except he was in x-staxic and he died i think. I don't think this is the same doop, i can't remember where i read it but appartly he is'nt the same doop we used to know or something on the lines of that. Lorna is one crazy chick in this arc and havok just wants to get in her knickers which i find funny. Milligans starting to get control over this book alot better than before the decimination arc .Hopefully Blood of apocalypes turns out to be a great story, it would be nice to see this creative team to get some credit.

[Mitsaso]

I love you Doop!

Me too!!! Your avvie is sooo adorable! I want a Doop doll...pronto!!!

Hands off you...you man getters!! Doop is MINE. :cool:

I'm wearing our engagement ring right now :D

PS. By the way, this forum is really cool. I'm glad I joined you guys. :)

[Faded]

Hands off you...you man getters!! Doop is MINE. :cool:

I'm wearing our engagement ring right now :D

PS. By the way, this forum is really cool. I'm glad I joined you guys. :)

Glad to have you here. Welcome!!!

Buuuuuttt...Doop told me he loved me and that he didn't love you. Sorry. :D We he loves you, but thinks its best you remain friends. Its not you, it's him.

Doop and Faded forever!!!

[Mitsaso]

Glad to have you here. Welcome!!!

Buuuuuttt...Doop told me he loved me and that he didn't love you. Sorry. :D We he loves you, but thinks its best you remain friends. Its not you, it's him.

Doop and Faded forever!!!

Noooo, it was Doop's evil brother, Daap, who told you all this! :eek:

I bet it's your money he's after! :D

[G. Wayne]

ARGH!

...Can't stand Milligan on X-Men...art...looks so good...must resist urge to buy for Apocalypse!

[larroca fan]

g. wayne are you talking about this issue or apoc arc, i liked what i heard about this issue and crazy lorna , it's old now please let her be sane again.

[G. Wayne]

Um, both, I guess. I was under the impression this issue was the start of said arc, or where it kicks in, anyway.

[AceOfSpades]

I'm sorry, as much as I enjoy some of the stuff that has been dealt lately, I really don't like how Lorna is drawn in that preview (not the cover page). She's kinda scary looking

[Faded]

Noooo, it was Doop's evil brother, Daap, who told you all this! :eek:

I bet it's your money he's after! :D

That's our public front. But the truth is Daap is our love child. We are a happy family and no one...and I mean no one will take that away. :evilsmile

J.K. that probably sounded psycho. :D