Apocalypse returns!....again...

[Stellar]

yes, ladies and gentlemen, Apo returns in X-men #184. isn't that great?

for those of who you aren't familiar with sarcasm, i am outraged by this move.
marvel has done this time and time again: kill a major player off and then bring them back some time later. 20 bucks says Jean Grey is gonna come back in the same story.

so why am i outraged? because they use cheap tactics like this way too much, instead of actually putting some effort into writing good stories. i want quality for my 2 dollars something, dammit.

[Loestal]

yes, ladies and gentlemen, Apo returns in X-men #184. isn't that great?

for those of who you aren't familiar with sarcasm, i am outraged by this move.
marvel has done this time and time again: kill a major player off and then bring them back some time later. 20 bucks says Jean Grey is gonna come back in the same story.

so why am i outraged? because they use cheap tactics like this way too much, instead of actually putting some effort into writing good stories. i want quality for my 2 dollars something, dammit.

Why are you mad? Of course he was brought back. Just like every character or villain gets brought back. Are you surprised that they did this? I'm sure not. And I don't think it's bad either. It's time for somebody other than Magneto to be a real threat to the X-men.

As far as getting mad, why bother. That is the nature of comic books.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

He's right. It's time for Apocalypse and Sinister to get their proper chances to effect the whole X-universe for the worst. I can't wait to read the story even though I'll probably be more excited with Magneto and Doom returning the same month in Son of M and FF.

[Beast]

You are so wrong! It's X-Men #182. :D

[SleepWalker]

I'm excited that Apoc is coming back. It's always interesting to me to see how he's being used; what he's got up his sleeve this time around.

btw, I'll take you up on the $20 bet...

[Beast]

But to be serious, I'm glad that Pocy's back also. The X-Books need a villain character who's a signifigant threat again other than evolving and regressing Magneto every few years. And with the recent depowering of mutants, it's the perfect time for ole Pocky to return and raise some hell. :)

[Doom Hammer]

Okay, I know a discussion forum is a suitable place to voice complaints. I know that.

But you're complaining about losing your money on a bad story arc...before you even buy it?

Just don't spend your cash on it, and we're all happy!

And I hope you're not just now getting that death means nothing in comics...it's probably the most reversable character development possible. And we're talking about Apocalypse, who died a funky death to begin with.

[Doom Hammer]

But to be serious, I'm glad that Pocy's back also. The X-Books need a villain character who's a signifigant threat again other than evolving and regressing Magneto every few years.

But we already have Mysterious Mutant Villain From the X-Men's Past in Deadly Genesis! :D

...Just kidding. DG's awesome.

And with the recent depowering of mutants, it's the perfect time for ole Pocky to return and raise some hell. :)

Yeah, and he's gonna be disgusted at all the mutants who are crying about losing their powers.

That means you, Jubilee. You're going down. :evilsmile

[X-Men Forever]

You are so wrong! It's X-Men #182. :D


But does this even surprise you that he did not know this Beast? We have known about A-Poky's return for 3 months now, and Stellar started this useless thread like it was some kind of breaking news, so it should be no shock that he did not even know the proper issue number ;) .

[lament]

I'm looking forward to the return of Apocalypse. The X-Universe sorely needs good villains, especially since so many of the villains are becoming "good guys." And with Magneto out of the picture (temporarily, perhaps), Apocalypse should get to kick some major X-Men-butt.

[Beast]

Okay, I know a discussion forum is a suitable place to voice complaints. I know that.

But you're complaining about losing your money on a bad story arc...before you even buy it?

Just don't spend your cash on it, and we're all happy!

And I hope you're not just now getting that death means nothing in comics...it's probably the most reversable character development possible. And we're talking about Apocalypse, who died a funky death to begin with.
And you can always blame HoM on him being back alive. :D

[Stellar]

But to be serious, I'm glad that Pocy's back also. The X-Books need a villain character who's a signifigant threat again other than evolving and regressing Magneto every few years. And with the recent depowering of mutants, it's the perfect time for ole Pocky to return and raise some hell. :)

and just how is bringing Apo back every now and then so different from evolving and regressing Magneto?

[Beast]

Yeah, and he's gonna be disgusted at all the mutants who are crying about losing their powers.

That means you, Jubilee. You're going down. :evilsmile
Maybe he'll pull her spine out and mock her as she dies. :evilsmile

I'm kidding, I really like Jubilee. And she's interesting for the first time in ages in Generation M. :)

[Loestal]

and just how is bringing Apo back every now and then so different from evolving and regressing Magneto?

It's really not. Which is why I don't fully understand your anger. All comics have villains come back from death.

And Apocalypse has onlly died once in the normal 616. Which I hope Milligan gives us a good explination as to how he is back after getting his soul split in half by Cable.

[Beast]

and just how is bringing Apo back every now and then so different from evolving and regressing Magneto?
Because Pocy's only really had two really great storylines over the years, the original X-Factor stuff and Age of Apocalypse. The Twelve storyline started good but became a mess. Magneto's had a great deal of attention over the last 40+ years. Now it's time for Pocky to play and get some attention. :)

[Doom Hammer]

Because Pocy's only really had two really great storylines over the years, the original X-Factor stuff and Age of Apocalypse. The Twelve storyline started good but became a mess. Magneto's had a great deal of attention over the last 40+ years. Now it's time for Pocky to play and get some attention. :)

I think he could use a slight image overhaul...the clunky teal battle-armor does not exactly demand respect. :p

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Because Pocy's only really had two really great storylines over the years, the original X-Factor stuff and Age of Apocalypse. The Twelve storyline started good but became a mess. Magneto's had a great deal of attention over the last 40+ years. Now it's time for Pocky to play and get some attention. :)


Not just En Sabah Nur but Sinister needs some attention too. But this is a good start..I can FINALLY read a X-Men monthly again without cringing as long as Apocalypse is front and center. His motivation in this story seems different from the past too and hearing his explanation upon change will be interesting too.

[Beast]

I think he could use a slight image overhaul...the clunky teal battle-armor does not exactly demand respect. :p
I like it. It's Iconic and cool. Maybe they could make him a bit more AOAish. Give him the cape at least. :)

[Loestal]

http://comics.ign.com/articles/681/681789p1.html


it does look different.

[Nightcrawler]

and just how is bringing Apo back every now and then so different from evolving and regressing Magneto?

I don't understand your concern. Apocalypse has only died once. Bringing him back every now and then? He's only been in a few canon stories.

[Loestal]

I don't understand your concern. Apocalypse has only died once. Bringing him back every now and then? He's only been in a few canon stories.

Exactly....like I said. Just seems to be complaining to complain.

[Beast]

http://comics.ign.com/articles/681/681789p1.html


it does look different.
It's not that different.

[Doom Hammer]

I like it. It's Iconic and cool. Maybe they could make him a bit more AOAish. Give him the cape at least. :)

Yes! A cape would go a long way. I LOVE the way Ultimate Apocalypse looks, though. That was scary and powerful, without straying too far from the original look.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Everyone knows that AoA is his best visual look ever.

[Beast]

Exactly....like I said. Just seems to be complaining to complain.
Especially when he doesn't even have his facts right. :p

[Loestal]

Especially when he doesn't even have his facts right. :p

It just seems like he is angry about him comming back....but that's like, what villains do. They come back, sometimes with good reasons sometimes with bad. It's the nature of comics..and if you don't like that aspect of the medium then you need to let it alone.

[Neolucifer]

'm looking forward to the return of Apocalypse. The X-Universe sorely needs good villains, especially since so many of the villains are becoming "good guys." And with Magneto out of the picture (temporarily, perhaps), Apocalypse should get to kick some major X-Men-butt.

I dont see whats the big deal neither .. i'm glad he's back as well , as the X books quite need bigger and better villains than stuff like Golgotha ....
I always welcome new villains , but you gotta admit that some really sucks ,and that for a great read , mixing old villains and new ones is quite good .

I dont think i'd be reading a book featuring each month new things like vargas and the Neo :s

[streator]

since i've been reading comics (which i'm pretty sure is for as long as apoc has been around) he's died/vanished and came back like what, 4 times now?
marvel hasn't used him since 1999 or so, which i'm surprised about.
i am looking forward to the upcoming story and i'm going into it hoping for a good story and nothing more, really.
death is meaningless in comics, overall.
i don't think apoc will ever get anything as dominating as "age of apocalypse" was. i just hope his return is explained and it's a good, enjoyable story.

[Loestal]

No..he has only died once when Cable cut his soul in half right after the Cyclopolypse thingy. He has just been defeated before.

[Babylon23]

When Apocalypse first appeared in X-Factor, I was impressed. All through Simonson's run on that book, he was an interesting and enigmatic figure, and had real potential as a major villain.

Throughout the 90's, he was really bogged down in inferior stories (AOA excluded). There were a lot of add-ons to his history (see Rise of Apocalypse), and the annoying link to Cable. He quickly became watered down and over-exposed. By the end of the 90's, when he finally died, I no longer cared about the character at all.

I hope that a lot of that baggage is stripped away for his return. Milligan has a chance to really salvage Apocalypse if he handles it well.

[Titan76]

Someone has told me that Apocalypse has already been in a story. He was in the Black Pathaner HoM tie in and was killed by Black Bolt by his scream. Not a good start for our High Lord. :(

[Beast]

That was a House of M story, and has no real bearing on current continuity. :)

[Twigglet]

It'd be awesome if he was like what he was in X-men TAS, he kicked mucho ass there.

[Beast]

It'd be awesome if he was like what he was in X-men TAS, he kicked mucho ass there.
He was pretty bad ass in X-Men: TAS. I hear he was pretty bad in X-Men: Evolution as well. :)

[Titan76]

That was a House of M story, and has no real bearing on current continuity. :)
Even though it was a HoM story everyone still had the same power base. Apocalypse getting killed by Black Bolt kind of makes me mad because I always thought he was more powerful then Black Bolt. Oh, well.

[Titan76]

He was pretty bad ass in X-Men: TAS. I hear he was pretty bad in X-Men: Evolution as well. :)
In X-men: Evolutions he had nearly all the X-men's and Brother Hood's powers. So yeah, he was bad ass.

[MythicBrawn]

Apocalypse was at his best during AoA. His next best was when he was running around X-Factor. Any other stories with him suck.

[Will.S]

Throughout the 90's, he was really bogged down in inferior stories (AOA excluded). There were a lot of add-ons to his history (see Rise of Apocalypse), and the annoying link to Cable.
What was wrong with Rise of Apocalypse? I thought it was among the better Apoc stories displaying his rise to power and how he looked as a mutant pre-Celestial technology. There's also the interesting story with Ozymandias there.

I dunno, he just felt more human/down to earth in that book due to all the crap he took but eventually he overcame and crushed them! :D

[Nyssane]

I only liked him in his first appearances in X-Factor. After that, he was too overpowered and boring.

[riotgear]

He's right. It's time for Apocalypse and Sinister to get their proper chances to effect the whole X-universe for the worst.

You're right. After all, Austen, Morrison and Milligan have had their turns. ;)

[punisher_ryu]

apoc=phoenix wannabe

[Beast]

apoc=phoenix wannabe
Now what exactly are you basing that nutso comparison on?

[Jake V]

Now what exactly are you basing that nutso comparison on?
Apocalypse wants to "get inside" Jean Grey?

I dunno if that really makes him like the Phoenix, or just a MAN. A man with NEEDS.

[Beast]

Apocalypse wants to "get inside" Jean Grey?

I dunno if that really makes him like the Phoenix, or just a MAN. A man with NEEDS.
Who hasn't wanted Jean. Remember the original five, Hank was the only one who wasn't drooling over her constantly. Both Scott and Warren had feelings for her, and even Bobby was a lil horn dog twords her. :)

[Jake V]

Who hasn't wanted Jean. Remember the original five, Hank was the only one who wasn't drooling over her constantly. Both Scott and Warren had feelings for her, and even Bobby was a lil horn dog twords her. :)
Morrison was right! Beast is totally gay! :)

[Beast]

Morrison was right! Beast is totally gay! :)
Nah. I think he just realized that there was enough sexual tension there. Besides, he had Vera. :)

[cable guy]

I just say some of the pictures of Sal Larroca's Apocalypse, and boy did they look incredible.

I'm pumped.

[cable guy]

Apocalypse was at his best during AoA. His next best was when he was running around X-Factor. Any other stories with him suck.

I think things are about to change my friend. :)

[punisher_ryu]

Apocalypse wants to "get inside" Jean Grey?

I dunno if that really makes him like the Phoenix, or just a MAN. A man with NEEDS.

what the hell are you talking about????

i was saying that apoc dies and comebacks almost as much as the phoenix.

[Beast]

what the hell are you talking about????

i was saying that apoc dies and comebacks almost as much as the phoenix.
He's only died once, so that's a big steaming load. ;)

[riotgear]

He's only died once, so that's a big steaming load. ;)

Twice, actually. The first time, he was mortally wounded by Stryfe in X-Force (vol.1). He then came back in Wolverine. He then discorporated in X-Men: Search for Cyclops.

[Beast]

Twice, actually. The first time, he was mortally wounded by Stryfe in X-Force (vol.1). He then came back in Wolverine. He then discorporated in X-Men: Search for Cyclops.
Being mortally wounded isn't the same as dead. Especially with his rejuvination chambers. :)

[cable guy]

Twice, actually. The first time, he was mortally wounded by Stryfe in X-Force (vol.1). He then came back in Wolverine. He then discorporated in X-Men: Search for Cyclops.

And then died at the end of that one.

[Beast]

And then died at the end of that one.
End of what one? :confused:

[cable guy]

Being mortally wounded isn't the same as dead. Especially with his rejuvination chambers. :)

:confused:

Hmmm....

I guess your right.

[cable guy]

End of what one? :confused:

Search for Cyclops.

[Beast]

Search for Cyclops.
Yeah, he counted that one.
He then discorporated in X-Men: Search for Cyclops.

[cable guy]

Yeah, he counted that one.

:D

LOL

I'm getting tired.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

What was wrong with Rise of Apocalypse? I thought it was among the better Apoc stories displaying his rise to power and how he looked as a mutant pre-Celestial technology. There's also the interesting story with Ozymandias there.

I dunno, he just felt more human/down to earth in that book due to all the crap he took but eventually he overcame and crushed them! :D

I agree. Rise of Apocalypse was the last great story he was in. It told a intelligent chronicling of his turn against humanity and how he took advantage of Celestial technolgy by story's end.

[Dial Tone]

I can't wait for his return! Larocca's art looks fantastic. Between this, Whedon and Cassaday returning, and Brubaker writing Uncanny (hopefully with Michael Turner or somebody of his name recognition on art), it's a good time to be an X-Men fan. :D

I would like to see Mr. Sinister return, too.

[Babylon23]

What was wrong with Rise of Apocalypse? I thought it was among the better Apoc stories displaying his rise to power and how he looked as a mutant pre-Celestial technology. There's also the interesting story with Ozymandias there.

I dunno, he just felt more human/down to earth in that book due to all the crap he took but eventually he overcame and crushed them! :D

I wasn't a fan of the story, or of Ozymandias, or the Egyptian connection. In his early appearance in FotM, he talks about being a God-figure that is worshipped in all major archaic religions, including Egypt. Sumeria is mentionad, a culture that predates Egypt.

I liked this idea, as it added to the mystique of the character. I think the Rise of Apocalypse took much of that element away.

[BoSoxJay]

the problem with Apocalypse is his motivation. he's 'cartoony' and the only way, in my opinion, he could ever appear as threatening to the X-Men as Magneto is having M depowered. Every time Apoc shows up it tends to coincided with a de-powered or assumed dead Magneto. In "X-Cutioners Song" Mags was presumed dead, in the 12 he was depowered, and now he has the decimation deal going on. Even in "AoA" they had to depower Magneto (after he destroyed the starship in X-Men Chronicles #1) to make Apocalypse seem like a viable threat and even then Magneto bisected him like a high School biology subject.
I like the character but he will never be more than B squad to me. I'd rather they do more with Sinister than Apocalypse because I find Essex to be way more intriguing a villain.

[steve2275]

No..he has only died once when Cable cut his soul in half right after the Cyclopolypse thingy. He has just been defeated before.
and hopefully again

[cable guy]

I can't wait for his return! Larocca's art looks fantastic. Between this, Whedon and Cassaday returning, and Brubaker writing Uncanny (hopefully with Michael Turner or somebody of his name recognition on art), it's a good time to be an X-Men fan. :D


It is a good time to be an Xmen fan.

[MythicBrawn]

I like the character but he will never be more than B squad to me. I'd rather they do more with Sinister than Apocalypse because I find Essex to be way more intriguing a villain.

I don't like the character but you are so right about Mr. Sinister. Any villain that can stay in the background and cause the X-Men so much grief is way better. He can also do the physical thing if he has to. What is Poccy's main motivation? "Only the strong survive!!!" How boring and one-dimensional can you get. Where does it end?

[steve2275]

apoc is also one of the few enemies that can actually KILL his enemies

[Zero Hunter]

I still think it is going to be revelled that the Big A has been in his chamber healing ever since the battle with Stryfe nearly killed him. That lame ass version that showed up in that horrible 12 storyline is going to turn out to have been just an imposter used by the Big A to keep anyone from bothering him as he healed. That version in the 12 was so off compared to his other apperences both in powers and actions it would be a blessing to earse it from Apocoylpse's history and just make it a fake.

At least that is what I hope it turns out to be.

[Beast]

I still think it is going to be revelled that the Big A has been in his chamber healing ever since the battle with Stryfe nearly killed him. That lame ass version that showed up in that horrible 12 storyline is going to turn out to have been just an imposter used by the Big A to keep anyone from bothering him as he healed. That version in the 12 was so off compared to his other apperences both in powers and actions it would be a blessing to earse it from Apocoylpse's history and just make it a fake.

At least that is what I hope it turns out to be.
Or it was really him, and his mission has changed thanks to Decimation. :)

[Gaveedra 6]

My theory is that he probably kept spare bodies all over the planet for his disembodied or dispersed soul to inhabit. So after Cable jabbed his ghostie form, he just found his way to a spare body and has been hanging out doing crosswords since.

[riotgear]

Being mortally wounded isn't the same as dead. Especially with his rejuvination chambers. :)

Actually, the definition of a "mortal wound" is a fatal one. Otherwise it's just serious or severe.

[Beast]

Actually, the definition of a "mortal wound" is a fatal one. Otherwise it's just serious or severe.
Yes, but this is comics. Unless he actually died on panel, it's not a death. :)

[Loestal]

My theory is that he probably kept spare bodies all over the planet for his disembodied or dispersed soul to inhabit. So after Cable jabbed his ghostie form, he just found his way to a spare body and has been hanging out doing crosswords since.

That's what it will be like more than likely. Makes the most sense...that or Scarlet Witch did it. *cough* cop out * cough*

[cable guy]

That's what it will be like more than likely. Makes the most sense...that or Scarlet Witch did it. *cough* cop out * cough*

The Scarlet Witch did do it. :D

[steve2275]

I still think it is going to be revelled that the Big A has been in his chamber healing ever since the battle with Stryfe nearly killed him. That lame ass version that showed up in that horrible 12 storyline is going to turn out to have been just an imposter used by the Big A to keep anyone from bothering him as he healed. That version in the 12 was so off compared to his other apperences both in powers and actions it would be a blessing to earse it from Apocoylpse's history and just make it a fake.

At least that is what I hope it turns out to be.
sure why not

[We R. Venom]

It is a good time to be an Xmen fan.

Im no hater but....Is it?

[PrimalScream]

i wonder how scott is going to act?he might actually show emotions.

[X-Men Forever]

i wonder how scott is going to act?he might actually show emotions.

Well, there's a first time for everything ;) .

[Nefarius]

It's really not. Which is why I don't fully understand your anger. All comics have villains come back from death.

And Apocalypse has onlly died once in the normal 616. Which I hope Milligan gives us a good explination as to how he is back after getting his soul split in half by Cable.
That's why i'm not so happy about his return.Apocalypse was a great x-villain back to X-factor and AoA.But they overexpose him.Also his motives was so one-dimensional:"survival of the fittest". :rolleyes:
At least i read that the writing team have thought a better motive for big A.

BUT my main problem is how they going to explain his return.I mean,....Cable has destroyed Apocalypse's soul.YOU UNDERSTAND THIS.HIS SOUL.Ok,villains has died and return many times(healing factor,teleport his presence to another body or his spirit manipulating other villains etc).It's only me who thinks that destroying a soul is the ultimate death?

[Beast]

That's why i'm not so happy about his return.Apocalypse was a great x-villain back to X-factor and AoA.But they overexpose him.Also his motives was so one-dimensional:"survival of the fittest". :rolleyes:
At least i read that the writing team have thought a better motive for big A.

BUT my main problem is how they going to explain his return.I mean,....Cable has destroyed Apocalypse's soul.YOU UNDERSTAND THIS.HIS SOUL.Ok,villains has died and return many times(healing factor,teleport his presence to another body or his spirit manipulating other villains etc).It's only me who thinks that destroying a soul is the ultimate death?
Look no further than the laws of energy which was stated in HoM and Decimation:

"Energy can be changed from one form to another, but it cannot be created or destroyed."

[steve2275]

Im no hater but....Is it?
itll be intresting

[Neolucifer]

Im no hater but....Is it?

I think its starting to be again , ever since HoM happened , with Pocy's return , Deadly Genesis (despite what happened/is possibly happening with one of my fav character) and with the much needed creative team changes .

[Stellar]

i doubt it. it's just that at my age you want something better out of comics, that's why wildstorm is top choice. marvel just seems so kiddy now.

[Nefarius]

Look no further than the laws of energy which was stated in HoM and Decimation:

"Energy can be changed from one form to another, but it cannot be created or destroyed."
Damn you,Scarlet Witch :evilangry

[LordGorto]

I still think it is going to be revelled that the Big A has been in his chamber healing ever since the battle with Stryfe nearly killed him. That lame ass version that showed up in that horrible 12 storyline is going to turn out to have been just an imposter used by the Big A to keep anyone from bothering him as he healed. That version in the 12 was so off compared to his other apperences both in powers and actions it would be a blessing to earse it from Apocoylpse's history and just make it a fake.

At least that is what I hope it turns out to be.

God, I hope so. I could KILL Alan Davis for making the coolest X-Villian into a complete jobber. What the hell was with that "old man" Apoc? Damn Davis.

[Frank]

About Apocalypse: I thought his cyber-essensse had merged with Cyclops for a bit and then destroyed in the process..? :confused:

[streator]

About Apocalypse: I thought his cyber-essensse had merged with Cyclops for a bit and then destroyed in the process..? :confused:
it was.
how he returned hasn't been explained yet.

[Smarty Jones]

"BUT my main problem is how they going to explain his return.I mean,....Cable has destroyed Apocalypse's soul.YOU UNDERSTAND THIS.HIS SOUL.Ok,villains has died and return many times(healing factor,teleport his presence to another body or his spirit manipulating other villains etc).It's only me who thinks that destroying a soul is the ultimate death?"

Given the PIS in "The Search for Cyclops" -- where Jean Grey telepathic powers somehow gave her the ability to divide Cyclops and Apocalypse to a molecular level, and Cable effectively stabbing an astral image -- I don't think that will be too hard. After all, Apocalypse is a long-living mutant who likely has survived worse.

If anything, the return of Apocalypse can be used to reconcile some of the contradictory uses of En Sabah Nur. First, he was depicted as an incredibly powerful mutant. Then, it seemed his mutant abilities were enhanced dramatically by Celestial technology. Then he became The X-Men's version of Mum-Ra of "Thundercats" fame by needing to sleep for long periods in a tomb-like structure. Then he became essentially a mutant vampire (or more specifically, like Proteus) by taking over and burning out existing mutant bodies.

[Citizen V]

yes, ladies and gentlemen, Apo returns in X-men #184. isn't that great?

for those of who you aren't familiar with sarcasm, i am outraged by this move.
marvel has done this time and time again: kill a major player off and then bring them back some time later. 20 bucks says Jean Grey is gonna come back in the same story.

so why am i outraged? because they use cheap tactics like this way too much, instead of actually putting some effort into writing good stories. i want quality for my 2 dollars something, dammit.

Its true,Marvel does use cheap tactics these days.What was Apocalypse Vs Dracula anyway?Why would Apocalypse..one of the most poweful mutants ever..waste his time with Dracula?

Jean should be brought back,not Apocalypse. :(

[Nick Kal]

Its true,Marvel does use cheap tactics these days.What was Apocalypse Vs Dracula anyway?Why would Apocalypse..one of the most poweful mutants ever..waste his time with Dracula?

Jean should be brought back,not Apocalypse. :(

Dracula is pretty powerful...

but the mini does sound dumb.

Jean Grey should be brought back.

[handOFfate]

I've never really liked the comic Apocalypse much. I always thought the animated version was a more interesting character. That being said, i'm glad to see him getting another chance. Several people have hit the point; if it's gonna happen, now is the time. Mutants have been depowered, and the X-Men have a rather pathetic rogues gallery right now. That, and Marvel refuses to use Mr.Sinister in any significant way. If they can get Poccy to be more like his X-Factor character, then there is some great storyline potential.

[Neolucifer]

Dracula is pretty powerful...

but the mini does sound dumb.

Jean Grey should be brought back.

Dracula is possibly more powerful , or at least as powerful than Apocalypse . And well i think than it could easily make for a great story , and is even shaping to be one . It also makes sense for two monsters of the MU living at the same era in the same city , to actually meet .
I know that Dracula wasnt created as a Marvel character , but he is still supposed to be one , and not some crappy off continuity thing .

Anyway i find the prospect of Jean grey coming back Again ...dumber and dull .

[En Sabah Nur]

I await the results of this new storyline. I wouldn't mind if they retconned Apocalypse's entire history, smoothing out all the bumps in his character and motivation.

[Stellar]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/?column=20\

thank you, Erik Larsen

[Beast]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/?column=20\

thank you, Erik Larsen
My, he's a bitter and crabby old fanboy.... isn't he. :)

[Stellar]

a bitter and crabby old fan boy who makes a point

[Neolucifer]

He hardly will makes a point before the story is indeed released and happens to have no lasting changes in the future , until then i'll call him bitter and self gloating .

I'm sorry , but i could only interpret it like this (so i'll already apologize if it wsnt its proper meaning ) : "Why do you people keep buying Marvel and Dc books , when we got those universes and characters with lasting changes , no a lot of people cares about !!!?"

Frankly , does he believe that we kid ourselves into believing that Spidey's new costume will stick forever ?? We werent duped or anything for that matter .
Who was really thinking that magneto would even remain dead ? Who believe that Red skull wont be back someday ? Who believes that Thor will remain in Limbo ?

No one is dupe , most of us are probably even happy that such popular characters will always ultimately comes back , and only ask their returns to be done in a decent way , with an explanation , and their number of death to be minimized .

So yes , in Spawn the Malebogia is still dead , but does anyone even care ? Even among Spawn fans ?
Had things been really better since he died , with the book ? Wasnt the book going downhill and without a proper direction , after loosing probably one of Spawn's only interesting foe ? Hasnt Malebogia just been "replaced" by another demon tormenting Simons in the same ways ?

[Loestal]

Yeah, honestly it was almost insulting the way he put it. And characters coming back from the dead is the nature of comic books. It's just the way things are, and have ALWAYS been..and if he has such a HUGE problem with it then he should of went into a different media.