This really messed up type of therapy.

[Bloopinator]

Yesturday on the news I saw this report about this really messed up type of child therapy. It's for kids that are from other countries who get adopted. To help try to take the anger of there birth parent abandoning them the kids go to this therapy where they get yelled at and have to repeat everything the therapist tell them like "I hate my parents" or "I want to kill everyone" while kicking their legs up and down the therapist tell them they're worthless and spit on and lick them or something to make them mad. They swear at them and make them swear while the parent is watching.It's supposed to make them not mad anymore. The guy who made it his liscense was on probation or something so that shows how good he really is. I think that it's really messed up and sick and cruel. Sorry I don't have a link to something talking about it but I can't find anything. If someone wants to try to find something about it that'd be great. So what do you guys think of this?

[west3man]

It sounds like it crosses a line or three.

[Bloopinator]

Or all of them...

[Paradox]

Blind leading the blind. This guy sounds like he has far more issues than the kids do.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I can't see how this helps kids. More or less this terrorizes and makes them into monsters. Is that the idea to make the adopted children from foriegn countries so piss poor mean they grab a gun and shoot the adopted parents ?


Man I feel for them. I always thought love built bridges. Not screaming like that wacko from mom swap. The one on Fox who went insane on those kids for not going to church or some silly bullshit.

[Bloopinator]

Okay so therapy is called Holding therapy and I found a site that talks about it. http://www.naturalfamilyonline.com/5-ap/312-holding-therapy.htm I'll find more.

[Bloopinator]

I found a site that seems to think it's a good idea http://abcofohio.net/holding.htm .

[Paradox]

While Holding Therapy may have some suitable applications, it's nothing at ALL like what was described in the first post (at least from reading those two articles). There's a difference between forced contact and the absolute beratement that was indicated.

[Bloopinator]

While Holding Therapy may have some suitable applications, it's nothing at ALL like what was described in the first post (at least from reading those two articles). There's a difference between forced contact and the absolute beratement that was indicated.
But that's what they said and showed on the recorded tape on the news. Those sites just don't say it.

[Paradox]

No, no, that's what I'm saying. If it was just this Holding Therapy stuff, that'd seem O.K. to me. All the screaming and beratement pushes it over into "WTF-land" . That's just nuts.

[Bloopinator]

No, no, that's what I'm saying. If it was just this Holding Therapy stuff, that'd seem O.K. to me. All the screaming and beratement pushes it over into "WTF-land" . That's just nuts.
Okay nevermind then.

[nervmeister]

Yesturday on the news I saw this report about this really messed up type of child therapy. It's for kids that are from other countries who get adopted. To help try to take the anger of there birth parent abandoning them the kids go to this therapy where they get yelled at and have to repeat everything the therapist tell them like "I hate my parents" or "I want to kill everyone" while kicking their legs up and down the therapist tell them they're worthless and spit on and lick them or something to make them mad. They swear at them and make them swear while the parent is watching.It's supposed to make them not mad anymore. The guy who made it his liscense was on probation or something so that shows how good he really is. I think that it's really messed up and sick and cruel. Sorry I don't have a link to something talking about it but I can't find anything. If someone wants to try to find something about it that'd be great. So what do you guys think of this?I'm pretty sure this guy came up with the old-fashioned way to make your kids stop smoking.

[Gilda Dent]

Ever seen a row of ducklings following a chicken or pig or dog? Makes a cute, if strange picture. What's happening is that faulty imprinting has taken place. All warm-blooded animals, or at least birds and mammals do this. The young imprint on an adult, usually the mother, and are programmed to respond in a certain way to that adult.

The funny thing is, they have no way of recognizing which of those big animals is their mother, so they imprint on whatever's closest, mom, the cat, a watering can, a puppet. With ducks and chicks, this happens very quickly, and you get the amusing photos of the line of ducklings following the dog, thinking it's their mother.

One of the things that's happening is that the young learns some basic things from the imprinted parent about how to behave like a duck or chick. Or human being.

The process happens with humans, too, but at a much slower rate, over a period of months instead of minutes. A human baby needs to imprint on an adult--any adult--as a part of it's brain development. If it doesn't, something is broken, and the brain is missing some important developmental features needed to be able to connect emotionally to other humans. You get a sociopath.

In Eastern European orphanages, the children are often warehoused, and go for years without forming an emotional connection to an adult. They develop a detatchment from all other humans, and an overly self-centered ego. All kids, all humans are self-centered to some degree, but in the case of these children, it's pathological.

This is where properly applied holding therapy comes in. The child is held immobile, which in time produces a psychological state called learned helplessness. Learned helplessness is when you reach a subconscious state in which you feel unable to have any affect whatsoever on circumstances.

It's easy to produce this effect in the lab. You put a rat in a cage with two sections, each of which can be electrified separately. You flash a strobe at the rat and a second later, shock the side of the cage it's in. Soon, the rat learns the pattern, and will instinctively move to the safe section when the light flashes. Change the experiment, however, and start shocking the rat at random intervals. Soon, it'll stop trying to avoid the shock. Do it long enough and it'll stop reacting to the shock in any way. It still feels the physical pain, but it's mind doesn't process any response any longer.

Holding therapy does the same thing, inducing in the child a state of learned helplessness, which then allows her to imprint even long after the intial time when that should have occurred. The child learns to depend upon others emotionally for a psychological connection.

It's the human brain equivilent of a warm reboot. It's been shown to be quite effective. It should not, however be accompanied by any negative input from the parent/therapist, though the parent/therapist should not respond in any way to the child's negative response to the therapy, which can include nasty language and hateful speech.

The cool thing is that, when it works, it doesn't really matter who the child initially connects with so long as that connection occurs and is given a little time to strenthen. Once that's done, the child is generally able to form emotional connections and empathize normally with others in general, and not just the person performing the therapy.

That's the theory, anyway, and it has worked in practice, though it isn't universally applicable nor effective.

Gilda, former foster parent trained in holding therapy.

[Night]

I found a site that seems to think it's a good idea http://abcofohio.net/holding.htm .
You can find a site that'll say just about anything... don't believe everything you see on the internet. Sounds more like child molestation than therapy.
Edit: what the sites explain makes more sense than the licking/spitting does.