The X-Man Who Will Become A Horseman Is... (SPOILERS)

[slayer2005]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=6453

[Blackcat]

So it's really Gambit ? I cannot believe it!! The guy begging Apo looks a lot like: GAZERdon't you think?

It also seems Rogue is getting closer to that Augustus guy, so does Mystique get's her way, this guy looks very handsome.

I really LOVE this kind of art!!!

[Keith_Martineau]

Snap. Wonder how this is gonna play out.

[Rich L]

Okay, that came as a surprise!

I so had my money on Lorna...I wonder if this'll be permanent or if he'll be back in the fold like Warren eventually was.

[Sentinel K]

Smack my Arse, I was not expecting that!!!!

Sals artwork looks great, the break obviosly did him good!

[Joe Zool]

NNNNNOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

Damn.

[Mariah]

All i gotta say is if this story isn't good, i'm dropping this book til there's a new writer.

[Twigglet]

Awesome!

This is gonna be great!

[Keith_Martineau]

Yeah, this is definately Milligan's last chance. I'll admit it's more interesting now than it was, but if this here upcoming story turns out to be a dud, then thats that.

[Erkoban]

that doesn't make any sense whatsoever on any level.

[The Mirrorball Man]

Great idea. How long has it been since anyone did anything interesting with that character?

[Novaya Havoc]

I agree. Definitely piqued my interest.

Looks like one character is going to get a particular double-whammy with two of these horsemen. ;)

[Erkoban]

Great idea. How long has it been since anyone did anything interesting with that character?

I don't know... couple of years ago in X-treme X-men? Oh wait, I keep forgetting that X-treme X-men never really happened, just like GenX never happened, or X-force, or the original Excalibur, or any solo-title save for Wolverine's.

[CURSD BLADE]

I don't know... couple of years ago in X-treme X-men? Oh wait, I keep forgetting that X-treme X-men never really happened, just like GenX never happened, or X-force, or the original Excalibur, or any solo-title save for Wolverine's.

Hold up...so X-Treme, Generation X, X-Force, and Excalibur arn't in continuity anymore?

I know X-Force, at least the Liefeld version with Cable (not the Milligan/Allred version) is cannon because their was a reunion mini in 2004 with Liefeld and Nicieza.

[Novaya Havoc]

I don't know... couple of years ago in X-treme X-men? Oh wait, I keep forgetting that X-treme X-men never really happened, just like GenX never happened, or X-force, or the original Excalibur, or any solo-title save for Wolverine's.

Tell us Dazzler fans about that...

But even Wolverine doesn't really affect mainstream continuity that much, if you ask me.

EDIT: Cursd -- he's saying that the titles have no lasting impact on the main continuity; not that they've been stricken altogether. A lot of characterization or plot development in those titles really doesn't stick. Look at Emma Frost. Look at Dazzler. Look at Gambit.

Unless it was Uncanny X-Men/X-Men, it doesn't really matter much when it comes to continuity. To an extent, I have to agree.

[Erkoban]

Hold up...so X-Treme, Generation X, X-Force, and Excalibur arn't in continuity anymore?

I know X-Force, at least the Liefeld version with Cable (not the Milligan/Allred version) is cannon because their was a reunion mini in 2004 with Liefeld and Nicieza.

When was the last time Remy and Rogue were reminded of their time in X-treme X-men, or even acknowledged their presence there?

Have you heard Emma say anything about her seven odd years as a headmistress at Generation X?

Kitty Pride, have any of the changes she underwent in X-treme X-men, Excalibur, Mekanix, stuck to her character?

X-factor apparantly never happened, and neither did Mystique's own solo title... and X-men Forever didn't happen either... after all, have there been any hints as to the validity of the events from those titles and stories been made in current books?

Mystique reformed and then betrayed the team, killed Creed, killed Moira, killed a boatload of people, and then when she stood in front of Xavier's door, she was welcomed, and people even considered having her join the team.

[fishtaco]

I have dropped Milligan's X-Men due to the lack of quality, but I will pick it back up just for this arc. After that, I've got my fingers crossed that he gets booted off and is replaced by either PAD or Claremont.

[Erkoban]

EDIT: Cursd -- he's saying that the titles have no lasting impact on the main continuity; not that they've been stricken altogether. A lot of characterization or plot development in those titles really doesn't stick. Look at Emma Frost. Look at Dazzler. Look at Gambit.

Unless it was Uncanny X-Men/X-Men, it doesn't really matter much when it comes to continuity. To an extent, I have to agree.

Characters tend to revert back to some sort of base-type.

Which is frustrating, because the question arises: Why bother?

[Twigglet]

Gambit going blind was quite interesting.

Of course this is the most interesting thing done with him in years!

[Novaya Havoc]

Characters tend to revert back to some sort of base-type.

Which is frustrating, because the question arises: Why bother?

Others get completely "re-invented" or re-packaged. So I'll agree: it's frustrating.

[fishtaco]

Gambit going blind was quite interesting.

Of course this is the most interesting thing done with him in years!How was that interesting? That was pointless!!

[Joe Rice]

Great idea. How long has it been since anyone did anything interesting with that character?

Uh, never.

[Joe Zool]

Read the CC-Jim Lee run, especially where they are in Shi'Air space. That's when he was at his peak, IMHO.

[MDactor1980]

It's a slippery slope.

Sometimes those times are remembered other times not at all.

I don't know if you would blame the writers or the editors.

Sometimes they slip in though...

In New Excalibur - there's friction between Wisdom and Pryde... so clearly there's history...

In X-Men The End - Emma was very emotional about Banshee's attack/death

the inconsisitencies are rather unfortunate tho

[Twigglet]

How was that interesting? That was pointless!!

It wasn't pointless tilll Sage miraculously made him see again.

I think more X-men should be mamied or killed in combat, that's part of what made X-statix such a good book, you never knew what was coming next.

[Erkoban]

It wasn't pointless tilll Sage miraculously made him see again.

Yeah, that was one nasty little piece of editorial interference. He lost his sight and then got it back miraculously in time for Milligan to take over, where we saw... you guessed it, mid-nineties very base-type Remy and Rogue drama.

I think more X-men should be mamied or killed in combat, that's part of what made X-statix such a good book, you never knew what was coming next.


maimed and killed would be cool... but Gambit getting maimed was pointless, because he gained a shitload of power after getting maimed "hey look peeps, I can see the future in my cards now!"

[Twigglet]

Yeah, that was one nasty little piece of editorial interference. He lost his sight and then got it back miraculously in time for Milligan to take over, where we saw... you guessed it, mid-nineties very base-type Remy and Rogue drama.



maimed and killed would be cool... but Gambit getting maimed was pointless, because he gained a shitload of power after getting maimed "hey look peeps, I can see the future in my cards now!"

He got that power?

Did it get taken away?

Man, I really don't like Gambit.

[(NO)]

I like the idea, but the character design is awful.

[lament]

I hope they don't use this as an excuse to kill him off. It would be more interesting to see him remain with Apocalypse. I am glad they're doing something with him. He's a great character who had the misfortune of being sucked into a soap opera with Rogue (who is also a great character on her own).

[Will.S]

Wow, the artwork looks amazing. Sal looks like he knew this would be a cool storyline to amp up his art so I'm impressed. Glad he got a break between issues, the Liquid! coloring kicks ass it seems that they're coloring over his pencils again.

I also think he's using the kickass Marvel Legends Apocalypse figure for reference since it 's probably the best rendition of the character I've seen thus far. As far as Gambit being a horseman goes, I would say it's one of the more interesting things to happen to him in Milligan's run I just hope he and Sunfire as well as whoever else are horsemen (Gazer looks to be a Caliban'ish addition) will be more long term than The Twelve.

[fishtaco]

He got that power?

Did it get taken away?

Man, I really don't like Gambit.Why? Don't let what Austen did to him make you dislike him.

[Twigglet]

Why? Don't let what Austen did to him make you dislike him.

I don't like his character.

I don't like the look

I don't like the annoying accent.

I don't like him and Rogue together.

I don't like his "X-TREME!11!1!!!" history.

I just generally dislike his character.

[(NO)]

Damn, Gambit hate is really trendy right now.

[Beast]

Well, of the 12 choices he was one of them that seriously needed an infusion of life. Evil/Traitor Gambit is a bit tired and overdone, but maybe people will finally learn to stop trusting him. And it's certainly the most interesting character development we've had in like ever for Gumbo. :)

[Porcelain]

I'm part excited because he desperatly needs a character boost and part dubious considering this is at least the 3rd time we have to go through this. Course it all depends how it's handled both during and after.

[Cayman]

I hope the other Horseman from the X-team doesn't end up being Lorna, I'd rather her get powers from Doop Jr.

Meanwhile, Horseman Gambit looks a bit like a Dungeons & Dragons Dark Elf.

Cay

[larroca fan]

omg the art work is amazing this is just a good as x-treme i was expecting good artwork when he came back because he had a break. but this is amazing and i nearly fainted when i saw that larroca had got back to his top. i'm still in shock and the story seems to be the best since millgan joined wow i'm so happy with this team and marvel and there seems to be great idea's ahead i'm just shocked that larroca has revamped his style to beauty because it's been poor recently. and the colours and inks are fab.

[Cayman]

Is that Gazer clinging to Apocalypse?

Cay

[Will.S]

Is that Gazer clinging to Apocalypse?

Cay
Yeap, I guess he's another possible candidate to be a horseman. Kinda similar to Caliban in a way if it does happen.

I love that they're also including backup stories showing each horseman's deal with Apocalypse so at least there's some depth to be shown instead of random picking.

[Beast]

Is that Gazer clinging to Apocalypse?

Cay
Yes. I bet we'll be getting a 'Caliban' sort of transformation for ole Gazer. :)

[The Lucky One]

Mystique reformed and then betrayed the team, killed Creed, killed Moira, killed a boatload of people, and then when she stood in front of Xavier's door, she was welcomed, and people even considered having her join the team.

I'm not disputing the point in general, but they at least attempted to explain Mystique in particular... IIRC, she claims it was an imposter posing as her in Dreams' End, where she killed Moira. Don't know if that was ever further explored, though.

-D

[Beast]

I'm not disputing the point in general, but they at least attempted to explain Mystique in particular... IIRC, she claims it was an imposter posing as her in Dreams' End, where she killed Moira. Don't know if that was ever further explored, though.

-D
Besides, the X-Men are all about second chances, and far too often third and fourth chances as well. Half the team would be gone if they judged them on one act from their past. :)

[Cayman]

Yay, Gazer!

Cay

[Tre Styles]

Looks like one character is going to get a particular double-whammy with two of these horsemen. ;)

I was just thinking the same thing.....2 who she did wrong...it's of some interest. ;)

[(NO)]

Meanwhile, Horseman Gambit looks a bit like a Dungeons & Dragons Dark Elf.

That's who I was thinking when I saw Gambit.

[Flight]

Well, that shocked me!
I was certain I was gonna see Polaris, Iceman or Havok.
I don't mind Gambit. This'll make him more interesting...

Is the guy in the preview with Rogue, the person that Mystique was with during BLT?
I knew Milligan would go back to his plots.

[Beast]

Well, that shocked me!
I was certain I was gonna see Polaris, Iceman or Havok.
I don't mind Gambit. This'll make him more interesting...

Is the guy in the preview with Rogue, the person that Mystique was with during BLT?
I knew Milligan would go back to his plots.
Yes, that's Pulsar. He was finally introduced in the last issue of X-Men. :)

[larroca fan]

i knew there was some story behind gazer he was too secret. Gambit and mystique boxing great and he has his old x-treme x-men eyes back, previously in this book inkers/colurists keep putting black and not adding shine to his eyes but in the preview he has the right gambit eyes. milligan as seen in this preview looks to have good idea's and characters. Nice to see rogue withmystique's dude and i love the last page with apoc's temple outside the mansion. and Gambit a horseman crazy, looks like rogue is either in pain and near death or crying because she has to burn him alive and she knows she has to kill him to stop her from dieing, nice to see a rogue cover once in a while.:) :)

[Will.S]

Yes, that's Pulsar. He was finally introduced in the last issue of X-Men. :)
Huh? You referring to #180?

i knew there was some story behind gazer he was too secret. Gambit and mystique boxing great and he has his old x-treme x-men eyes back, previously in this book inkers/colurists keep putting black and not adding shine to his eyes but in the preview he has the right gambit eyes.
I think that's Mercury he's sparring with.

[Flight]

Yes, that's Pulsar. He was finally introduced in the last issue of X-Men. :) He....... was??? :confused:

[X-Men Forever]

:eek: WTF?????? Salvador Larroca's art looks 100% better after taking a few months off for the Roger Cruz fillins. I have not bought Milligan's X-Men for the last 4 months, but after seeing this preview, I will be buying #182 in February.

[Beast]

He....... was??? :confused:
Maybe it was #180. But I remember the scene with Mystique introducing him.

[Flight]

I think that's Mercury he's sparring with. No, its definitely Mystique.
Beast, I can't find those panels anywhere... :confused:

[Beast]

No, its definitely Mystique.
Beast, I can't find those panels anywhere... :confused:
Then where the hell did I read it. Was there a preview for #181? :confused:

[Flight]

Beast, I can't find those panels anywhere... :confused: Ah, found them!
#179. Last issue of the Sentinel arc.

Mystique: "Time you were safely married, Augustus"
Man: "Mystique please - when I'm working I like to be known by my professional name - Pulse"
Mystique: "Okay Pulsey, you and me are gonna head to the institute"

[Beast]

Ah, found them!
#179. Last issue of the Sentinel arc.

Mystique: "Time you were safely married, Augustus"
Man: "Mystique please - when I'm working I like to be known by my professional name - Pulse"
Mystique: "Okay Pulsey, you and me are gonna head to the institute"
That's right, it's Pulse. Where the hell did I get 'Pulsar'? :confused:

Thanks for finding it Flight, that would have bugged me all day. :D

[Flight]

That's right, it's Pulse. Where the hell did I get 'Pulsar'? :confused: I'm going to make a seperate thread for thoughts on this character I think...

[X-Men Forever]

That's right, it's Pulse. Where the hell did I get 'Pulsar'? :confused:



You are problably thinking of Monica "Pulsar" Rambeau.

[Flight]

Mystique said she will take care of Gambit in X-Men #179 and she is seen boxing him (most likely in someones dream) in the preview for the backup story where Remy becomes a horseman.
Anyone think she had a hand in this?

[Cayman]

Hmm, I approve of setting up Rogue and Monica Rambeau though. :p

Cay

[Will.S]

No, its definitely Mystique.
You sure? Cuz she could just be reflecting the light inside the gym and she's pretty short and staunch. Gambit could just be training her.

http://mvlad2.tripod.com/cessstand.jpg

[Flight]

You sure? Cuz she could just be reflecting the light inside the gym and she's pretty short and staunch. Gambit could just be training her. Red hair, yellow eyes and blue skin and shes fighting Gambit in a book where he becomes a Horseman of Apocalypse after she swore she would take care of him.
Yes, I'm fairly certain its Mystique.

Why would Milligan use Mercury when he could use Bling?

[Will.S]

Red hair, yellow eyes and blue skin and shes fighting Gambit in a book where he becomes a Horseman of Apocalypse after she swore she would take care of him.
Yes, I'm fairly certain its Mystique.

Why would Milligan use Mercury when he could use Bling?
Well it just seems to be a training session, if he were to fight Mystique it wouldn't be under those terms. I dunno, it just seems like he's training Mercury and then something goes wrong with him since his eyes start to glow or he starts doing some type of kinetic punches.

[(NO)]

I wonder if Gambit's powers will change at all. Maybe he'll become more like the New Son or revert to the way he was pre-brain surgery.

[Faded]

Yes. I bet we'll be getting a 'Caliban' sort of transformation for ole Gazer. :)

That's what I was thinking.

Sal's art looks great! The story seems very interesting! Man, I'm so excited for this arc to begin.

Does anyone else find Rogue's expression on the cover kinda comical?

[xmanson]

Is the masnion being attacked by a sphinx? Look at the Sentinel, it does seems so... oh my.

I still think Mystique shouldn't be allowed near the mansion, all this "gonna find my daughter a man" is just too ridiculous for me.

Gotta do a search on Gazer.

[(NO)]

Maybe Rogue dies?

[Flight]

Well it just seems to be a training session, if he were to fight Mystique it wouldn't be under those terms. I'm pretty sure its a dream or someone just thinking it.

[X-Men Forever]

Maybe Rogue dies?

If you would have said this 15 years ago, I would have given you several :mad: :mad: :evilangry . But since Rogue has been turned into one of the worse X-Men members over the years due to crappy characterization and the Gambit thing, I would not miss her presence in the X-Men one bit. And this is a sad thing to say about a once great X-Men character, but Rogue in her current state is pure crap.

[Will.S]

I wonder if Gambit's powers will change at all. Maybe he'll become more like the New Son or revert to the way he was pre-brain surgery.
That would be cool. I remember Fabian Nicieza really ramping up his powers during his Gambit solo run so there's almost no limit to Gambit's powers if pushed correctly.

[(NO)]

If you would have said this 15 years ago, I would have given you several :mad: :mad: :evilangry . But since Rogue has been turned into one of the worse X-Men members over the years due to crappy characterization and the Gambit thing, I would not miss her presence in the X-Men one bit. And this is a sad thing to say about a once great X-Men character, but Rogue in her current state is pure crap.

If she dies at the hands of Gambit, that would make for some interesting stories in the future.

[Brian Cronin]

I like this idea a lot.

Basically, it is instant drama for Gambit and Rogue.

You turn Gambit into a Horseman. He's a bad guy for awhile (maybe a year), then slowly bring him back to the side of good, only with an edge.

Essentially, just what happened with Archangel.

Except in this case, it won't be Death (at least I don't THINK he'll be Death), so it won't just strictly be a rehash of Warren's plot (where he slowly got over being an agent of Death).

-Brian

[hybrid73]

man actually Im kinda think this will be cool, Gambit (along with Rouge) have been written like sh*t, since they got back for Xtreme, so maybe this might be cool. For me it depends on how Gambit becomes a horseman, I think it would be cool if its Mystiques treachery, because I really don't think that Gambit would willinging become a horsemen,given he's suppose to be haunted by the bad things he has done in the past.

[Flight]

I think it would be cool if its Mystiques treachery, because I really don't think that Gambit would willinging become a horsemen,given he's suppose to be haunted by the bad things he has done in the past. Yeah, thats what I'm thinking too.
Maybe she does some sorta deal with Apocalypse?

[Will.S]

Here's what I'm wondering.

Back in the Nicieza/Seagle run, Gambit had the ability to charge organic objects as well. If Apocalypse gives him a huge power upgrade couldn't he theoretically charge himself up with enough kinetic energy to make himself unstoppable similar to what they're doing with Juggernaut in X3?

[larroca fan]

yes i agree maybe if Gambit stays the bad guy for a while then that would be a clever move. Rogueon the other hand, she gets with pulse at least for a month or 2 and then maybe find out he's a total jack ass and then she can kill gambit to save her own life now that would be great. just looked at previous x-men issues, looks like danny miki's gone yay and i see larroca puts more pencil shadows in instead of Danny miki blasting all black look onto the characters. nice to see the book getting better, wonder if the other x-men core books will mention apoc. I really want astonishing to mention him, and see other characters in the book in this arc because it seems most on the team is doomed. also who else thinks that pulse in this preview only looks like cannonball when larroca drew him for 1 issue in x-treme x-men. man i hope this book sells alot more than it has done in the last year.

[Fede]

well, that's the worst image of rogue i've ever seen. (last page). what is that mouth?? :mad:

and the panel with the mansion looks awful. u wanna make me believe that that thing emerged from the earth just behind the mansion, wich had no damage because of it?

and the gambit thing...i guess i'm happy

[(NO)]

Here's what I'm wondering.

Back in the Nicieza/Seagle run, Gambit had the ability to charge organic objects as well. If Apocalypse gives him a huge power upgrade couldn't he theoretically charge himself up with enough kinetic energy to make himself unstoppable similar to what they're doing with Juggernaut in X3?

Didn't New Son's physical and genetic make up consist only of kinetic energy?

If that's the case he could achieve that power. New Son destroyed his friggin' home planet.

[Flight]

and the panel with the mansion looks awful. u wanna make me believe that that thing emerged from the earth just behind the mansion, wich had no damage because of it? No, no-one wants to make you believe anything.
Don't knock it by seeing just one page. At least wait till the issue comes out so you know the whole story of how it got there.

[larroca fan]

Fede you can't stay beautiful while being strangled, people don't puck up their lips while being hurt lol and maybe that apoc temple does'nt rise outta the ground maybe it comes from the sky or something.

I love gambits new look, why does he have white long hair ? the hair is the only thing i'm worried about but his costume looks cool (the cover page) with the havok type mental hand gloves.

[streator]

gambit?
i really did not consider him being a horseman.
i don't know how i feel about the decision, either. we'll see how it plays out.
nice artwork, though.

[Fede]

No, no-one wants to make you believe anything.
i was referring to the artist :p

Don't knock it by seeing just one page. At least wait till the issue comes out so you know the whole story of how it got there.
can't i comment it?
ok, maybe the adjective "awful" isn't the best one...but that's what i think. and i've seen worse...


and maybe that apoc temple does'nt rise outta the ground maybe it comes from the sky or something.


i hadnt thought about that.....wich is actually worse ;)

[Will.S]

Didn't New Son's physical and genetic make up consist only of kinetic energy?

If that's the case he could achieve that power. New Son destroyed his friggin' home planet.
Yeah I rememebered that too, crazy stuff.

As for Rogue on that cover, s'alright. It sacrifices beauty for emotion which works although Larroca's Rogue hasn't really looked that hot since X-Treme (maybe it's the hair).

[larroca fan]

I love marvel now , they have givern this book the best story it's had since ever milligan joined even austen ,larroca's art is brilliant in this so glad he's revamped his style, i will tresure this arc for life.

[(NO)]

I love gambits new look, why does he have white long hair ? the hair is the only thing i'm worried about but his costume looks cool (the cover page) with the havok type mental hand gloves.

Maybe, the gloves have a purpose?

Gambit had trouble controlling his powers when he was able to charge anything organic. Hmmmm....

[Beast]

I love marvel now , they have givern this book the best story it's had since ever milligan joined even austen ,larroca's art is brilliant in this so glad he's revamped his style, i will tresure this arc for life.
You haven't even read it yet. May want to actually do that before you declare it the best ever. ;)

[Sentinel K]

I love marvel now , they have givern this book the best story it's had since ever milligan joined even austen ,larroca's art is brilliant in this so glad he's revamped his style, i will tresure this arc for life.

Slow down tubby, you haven't even read it yet!

The artwork means f*ck all if the story is bollocks.

[Sentinel K]

Maybe, the gloves have a purpose?

Gambit had trouble controlling his powers when he was able to charge anything organic. Hmmmm....

Maybe his white hair has something to do with the Witness.


Mmmmmm? There's something for you all to ponder. :)

[(NO)]

Maybe his white hair has something to do with the Witness.


Mmmmmm? There's something for you all to ponder. :)

Maybe, the grey skin means he's a Marvel Zombie not a Horseman. :cool: :rolleyes:

[larroca fan]

no i meant it seems to be the best store=ies they've had on this book, not in all marvels x-men titles theys had i'm just saying it may be the strongest story they've had in a while. sorry about my excitement.




I wonder if Apocalypse's "Only the Strong Will Survive" credo has changed, because if you look at it objectively, the mutants who somehow retained their mutations during M-Day (all 198 of em) could all be viewed by him as "The Strongest".

Anyone else looking forward to the Horsemen rolling over the Sentinels? I'm actually hoping that the whole unit gets wiped out, just to kill off Val Cooper's latest misguided brainchild. Damn, I hate that woman. On a related note, anyone who'd willingly pilot a machine designed to commit genocide has some very unsettling views....

[Beast]

no i meant it seems to be the best store=ies they've had on this book, not in all marvels x-men titles theys had i'm just saying it may be the strongest story they've had in a while. sorry about my excitement.
Well, people were hyped up for Milligan's run from the start, but it always manages to disapoint a majority of them. So we'll see, I wouldn't declare it the best story until it's over. :)

[Sentinel K]

Is it just me who thought that second paragraph sounded nothing like Larocca fan? :confused:

Not that it really matters.


It was just surprisingly coherent. :)

[Beast]

Is it just me who thought that second paragraph sounded nothing like Larocca fan? :confused:

Not that it really matters.


It was just surprisingly coherent. :)
I thought the same thing. ;) :D

[larroca fan]

yes i will take your advice. but i'm easy to please, oh and i forgot to tell you all ,if you go on comicon.com/pulse they have a thin panel of gazer in the space suit that was used in golgotha, he's shouting a green bolt , which reflecting out of his head, it's nice just have a look.

[streator]

what reason would gambit have to seek out apocalypse?

maybe it's rogue leaving him for this new guy? if that's the case, i still don't really buy remy seeking out to become a horseman over it. i can't think of anything else right now. he wasn't depowered, so it's not that.

maybe he's been transformed into a horseman against his will? i'd go for that more so than remy wanting to become a horseman.

[Flight]

what reason would gambit have to seek out apocalypse?

maybe it's rogue leaving him for this new guy? if that's the case, i still don't really buy remy seeking out to become a horseman over it. i can't think of anything else right now. he wasn't depowered, so it's not that.

maybe he's been transformed into a horseman against his will? i'd go for that more so than remy wanting to become a horseman. I wrote an earlier post saying that it might all be Mystique's fault.
She said she would take care of him. Maybe she made a deal...

And yes, I'm voting for Larocca_fan as X-Poster of the Month.

[larroca fan]

Flight are you joking i'm the worst poster on here, and why is there a thread saying ignore flight whats that all about.

[(NO)]

maybe he's been transformed into a horseman against his will? i'd go for that more so than remy wanting to become a horseman.
I was thinking the same thing. I don't think Remy would be willing to sacrifice his looks for power. I wonder how being a Horseman will affect his charm and appeal to women?

[Flight]

why is there a thread saying ignore flight whats that all about. Huh? Where is this?

[Sentinel K]

Huh? Where is this?

It was removed cos everyone was slagging you off!

[larroca fan]

Remy need's a strong point in this book and if milligan has made gambit a horseman i think it's a good move.It's going to be lorna dane who's one of the horseman because she's milligans favourite charcter, then again he may of had enough of lorna and now moves back to gambit, rogue, pulse and mystique. i just hope the outcome of this arc last for a while and not end as marvels attempt to depower iceman did, that lasted for a week.

[Beast]

Remy need's a strong point in this book and if milligan has made gambit a horseman i think it's a good move.It's going to be lorna dane who's one of the horseman because she's milligans favourite charcter, then again he may of had enough of lorna and now moves back to gambit, rogue, pulse and mystique. i just hope the outcome of this arc last for a while and not end as marvels attempt to depower iceman did, that lasted for a week.
Lorna won't be one of them, at least according to the teases. Mike Marts said that one or two of the Horsemen would be X-Men or Former X-Men. We have Gambit and Sunfire now, so that's the two. :)

[Will.S]

Lorna won't be one of them, at least according to the teases. Mike Marts said that one or two of the Horsemen would be X-Men or Former X-Men. We have Gambit and Sunfire now, so that's the two. :)
Yeah I think it stops at just Gambit and Sunfire.

I don't think Apocalypse is willingly forcing them to become horsemen because his motives are a bit different. The back-up stories should explain why each person chose to become one logically, like I could see why Sunfire would because he was pretty much screwed in his condition so he chose to have a full body and a new life.

Gazer might have lost some mutant ability and might have wanted is back by asking Apocalypse and Gambit is more of a grey area.

[Valmore]

Back in the Nicieza/Seagle run, Gambit had the ability to charge organic objects as well. If Apocalypse gives him a huge power upgrade couldn't he theoretically charge himself up with enough kinetic energy to make himself unstoppable similar to what they're doing with Juggernaut in X3?

Basically, when Gambit had his powers put back together through Sinister's brain surgery, Gambit could charge ANYTHING, and it didn't have to be by touch. He basically became an Omega level mutant - he could charge organic and inorganic material, and it didn't always have to be in sight distance (since he charged a hiddne knife on a Neo). He was much more powerful, but it took time for him to get control of his powers - and he also had to keep any emotions in check, since getting too excited tended to flare his powers.

I'm tentatively excited about this. Frankly, if the story is good, and it's not just an excuse to kill off the character, then this could be one of the best things to happen to Gambit since his first ongoing series. It would be nice to see him utilized as more than wallpaper or as a bad soap opera.

[(NO)]

an excuse to kill off the character

That would be pretty lame.

[NDHorse]

Have they given an indication about how Apocalypse is able to come back since he was supposed to have been killed? I haven't read X-men or Uncanny for about 6-months, so I am out of the loop. It was tough, but I dropped them after 15 years because X-men became a soap opera and Uncanny just seemed to get boring.

[Gaveedra 6]

None of the teases or buzz has said "AND AN X-MAN WILL DIE!!!" so I'm hoping none of the team bites the dust. It's a book filled with great characters that just need to be used well, not killed off. Even Gambit, who I sorta loathe is showing potential for the first time in ages. Milligan writes him "cool" rather than "annoying" like most of his past writers.

I'm curious to see how he turns to Apocalypse's side. When Wolverine became Death, it was 100% agains his will. Archangel was pretty seriously brainwashed too. My bet is on Mystique betraying him somehow and playing him into Poccy's hands. But if he makes the choice, even just slightly of his own accord, it will be really interesting.

I've been talking trash about Sal for the last six months because his art had gotten so weak. But holey smokes, these new pages look amazing! He must have a whole new team of digital finishers, etc. Especially if he's still doing two issues a month. I'm really excited about this now. I just hope the story's good!

[Keith_Martineau]

One panel, ol'Poccy looks pretty squat and fat, not huge and muscular. Not too please with THAT particular panel, and I'd really prefer Sal do more of the shading and definition than leave it to the colorists, but beyond that, it really does look better.

[Androo]

One panel, ol'Poccy looks pretty squat and fat, not huge and muscular. Not too please with THAT particular panel, and I'd really prefer Sal do more of the shading and definition than leave it to the colorists, but beyond that, it really does look better.

The squat/fat Apocalypse looks very much like the Marvel Legends toy version. The figure's a bit too short for Apocalypse, (heck, even the Omega Red figure is taller) and results in a beefy Apocalypse. I agree that it was probably used as a reference for the art.

Does anybody have ideas on which Horseman Gambit will be? I would hope they don't do Death since Warren already did it, and he doesn't seem like a War to me. For some reason, I think of him as a Pestilence. Maybe because of the long-hair Spidey/Pestilence from Cable/Deadpool, I think Gambit fits. (incidentally, I think Sunfire will be famine based on a similar non-reasoning).

[(NO)]

The squat/fat Apocalypse looks very much like the Marvel Legends toy version. The figure's a bit too short for Apocalypse, (heck, even the Omega Red figure is taller) and results in a beefy Apocalypse. I agree that it was probably used as a reference for the art.

Does anybody have ideas on which Horseman Gambit will be? I would hope they don't do Death since Warren already did it, and he doesn't seem like a War to me. For some reason, I think of him as a Pestilence. Maybe because of the long-hair Spidey/Pestilence from Cable/Deadpool, I think Gambit fits. (incidentally, I think Sunfire will be famine based on a similar non-reasoning).
According to CBR Gambit is Death.

[Sentinel K]

According to CBR Gambit is Death.

Wow, that's original. :rolleyes:

[Beast]

According to CBR Gambit is Death.
Where was this? :)

[Loestal]

IGN.com also confirms this.

[(NO)]

Where was this? :)

It's on the news page.

Here's the quote.

"Sunfire has already been revealed as a new Horsemen, but for a MAJOR hint as to who will be the Horseman Death, check out this unseen cover to X-Men #185."

They imply he's Death.

[Neolucifer]

NNNNNOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

Damn.

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSS !!!

More seriously this is the best thing that happened to Gambit in years !!! I also hope it remain permanent . So far Milligan , for once , made me happy and eager to read his book . Sill , he's on probation , and its most likely his last chance to impress me on the book .

I also hope that its not one of those self contained in arc stories , where Pocy is dealt within its issues and then thats it . I hope its really his great return , and that he'll be once again a recurring villain like he used too .

[Nick Kal]

Wow, I actually think I will buy this arc.

[Doom Hammer]

Hmm, something interesting with Gambit. Is it possible he could become cool?

I still say he should've been killed off in Mark Millar's Wolverine, and brought back as a Hand zombie. Gambit as a villain is cool...not this half-assed, namby pamby "can we trust him?" guy. Come on, Gambit. You're a thief and a dick. Just go with it.

And hyper-powerful dick villain Gambit is even better. The only thing that could be better is hyper-powerful dick villain Gambit zombie. Now that's comic books, my friend. ;)

Anyway, Sal's new style looks pretty cool. This might be Milligan's first really good X-Men arc...though I don't put it past him to blow it. He's a genius, but he can't write X-Men. :D

[Erik Lehnsherr]

I always thought Gambit sucked which is why Uncanny #350 is one of my favorite books of all time but this might work for the best. He has villianous tendancies and instead of being this brooding, "mysterious" type character, he can finally make himself useful for once. It turned out he wasn't the traitor as revealed in X-Men #54 but him willingly joining Apocalypse? He can't go back from this...ever.

[Loestal]

I always thought Gambit sucked which is why Uncanny #350 is one of my favorite books of all time but this might work for the best. He has villianous tendancies and instead of being this brooding, "mysterious" type character, he can finally make himself useful for once. It turned out he wasn't the traitor as revealed in X-Men #54 but him willingly joining Apocalypse? He can't go back from this...ever.

I don't know, Didn't Caliban willingly become a Horseman like...twice. They still are hip to him aren't they?

[Erik Lehnsherr]

I don't know, Didn't Caliban willingly become a Horseman like...twice. They still are hip to him aren't they?

Caliban has the IQ of a toddler at best. Him making willing decisions and someone like Gambit choosing to be with Apocalypse is different..the X-Men forgave him for his betrayal of being Sinister's stooge back during that timeframe but this time? It's gonna be hard to gather sympathy for him now.

[Loestal]

Caliban has the IQ of a toddler at best. Him making willing decisions and someone like Gambit choosing to be with Apocalypse is different..the X-Men forgave him for his betrayal of being Sinister's stooge back during that timeframe but this time? It's gonna be hard to gather sympathy for him now.

Eh...Gambit's a tool. Finally got fed up with getting cock blocked by Rogues powers and now is gonna get nasty.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Eh...Gambit's a tool. Finally got fed up with getting cock blocked by Rogues powers and now is gonna get nasty.

I haven't taken a Gambit story serious since probably 1997's Uncanny #345 which was all just leading up to the Trial story anyway. He sucks. He's overrated, he's boring to read, and his character progression stunted YEARS ago. He's a guy that needed to make a heel turn for the worse. I hope once he leaves, he NEVER comes back again.

[Loestal]

Plus...I absolutly HATE reading his accent. It's horrible, I feel like I'm retarded when trying to read what he says. Same with Rogue and other southern characters. Sometimes writers exadurate accents too much and make then unreadable.

[(NO)]

He sucks. He's overrated, he's boring to read, and his character progression stunted YEARS ago.

In your opinion.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Actually there are many who agree he needs this change..face it, Remy LeBeau has long been boring..almost as boring as Wolverine himself.

[Loestal]

Actually there are many who agree he needs this change..face it, Remy LeBeau has long been boring..almost as boring as Wolverine himself.


Ehhhh...I'm pullin back the reigns on this one my friend. No dice...leave Wolverine out of this. This is a Gambit bashing session.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Ehhhh...I'm pullin back the reigns on this one my friend. No dice...leave Wolverine out of this. This is a Gambit bashing session.

Man, don't get me started on Wolverine. Yes..it is for the best his name remains out of ANOTHER thread, for once. This is about LeBeau's fall from grace.

[(NO)]

Actually there are many who agree he needs this change..face it, Remy LeBeau has long been boring..almost as boring as Wolverine himself.

It's their opinion also.

[Beast]

It's their opinion also.
There's a rule about that, you know. For the most part, everyone's post is their opinion. :p

[Valmore]

Actually there are many who agree he needs this change..face it, Remy LeBeau has long been boring..almost as boring as Wolverine himself.

While I disagree with you on many levels, the current state of Gambit's character has been stunted by bad writers who don't know what the hell to do with him, or don't want to do anything with him, but have to use him since he's one of the most popular X-Men on the roster. Blame Joey Q and Bill Jemas - had they kept his original ongoing series alive, we wouldn't care if he wasn't in the core titles. Frankly, FabNic was writing a pretty good series until those two went and interfered.

[Loestal]

Come now...you can't go blamming Q for everything.

Fact is...Gambit has been written boringly..(is that a word) for the past year or so. The only time I was into Gambit was when his ass got blasted by his own card and became blind. They should of stayed with that.

[Lanowar]

The general idea here is that Gambit has been poorly written as of late, this is not true the truth is as of late X-Men has been just a bad title all round. Just really bad stuff that no one should even bee allowed to read it's like someone was thinking.

"No one's reading this anyway we might as well do whatever we want."

[Valmore]

Come now...you can't go blamming Q for everything.

Fact is...Gambit has been written boringly..(is that a word) for the past year or so. The only time I was into Gambit was when his ass got blasted by his own card and became blind. They should of stayed with that.

Actually, I can blame Q. He was the one who cancelled the Gambit ongoing series years ago. He's the one who sticks lame writers on the X-titles. The buck STOPS at Joe Quesada.

And jsut because that was the only time you were into Gambit, that doesn't account for the rest of us who have followed the character and liked him. And we're much more important than the vocal minority of dissidents.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

While I disagree with you on many levels, the current state of Gambit's character has been stunted by bad writers who don't know what the hell to do with him, or don't want to do anything with him, but have to use him since he's one of the most popular X-Men on the roster. Blame Joey Q and Bill Jemas - had they kept his original ongoing series alive, we wouldn't care if he wasn't in the core titles. Frankly, FabNic was writing a pretty good series until those two went and interfered.


Well you know what? Those bad writers should of kept him off the team and let him sit in limbo until something suitable could of been done.

[Neolucifer]

Come now...you can't go blamming Q for everything.

Exactly , he was already dull the moment they made him a regular xmen member , and rogue's official lover ... as his main appeal as a character were his mysterious side and "loving thief jerk that toy around" character . Unlike wolverine he didnt progress into anything interesting , but only lost those two feats ... except the occasional siding with Sinister once everywhile , or secrets so dark he never can reveal them :rolleyes: .

they played so much with his ties with Sinister and secrets , and built it up so much , that everytime it get dealt with , it fails to deliver and leaves you with a "Meh ... thats it ?" (except maybe in Xmen the End) .

ps : i'll add a big IMHO before someone post a "In your opinion." :D

[Loestal]

I never said he didn't cancel it....I ment you can't blame him for making Gambit what he is at the moment. There is no way you can fault Joey Q for turning Gambit into nothing, and I promise you...his solo book wouldn't have changed much because rarely do solo books, even if they are really good, have any affect on the core title.

[(NO)]

The general idea here is that Gambit has been poorly written as of late, this is not true the truth is as of late X-Men has been just a bad title all round. Just really bad stuff that no one should even bee allowed to read it's like someone was thinking.

"No one's reading this anyway we might as well do whatever we want."

Everything's been bad as of late, ever since message boards were introduced.

Comic Books have been bad.
Music has been bad
Television has been bad.

Pretty much every art form.

[Neolucifer]

Thing is i dont hate Gambit , he's far from my favorites , but i used to like seeing him . Right now he is just an eyesore to me . I remember not even caring about Bishop , as i found him quite ugly with his hair , thought he was too much the angry token black guy , and believed he wouldnt have any relevance once the whole Xmen Traitor plot would be resolved .. yet right now i'm liking him , he evolved into someone else , someone interesting , and even got a nice haircut .

Right now when i look at Gambit , i see his potential ruined , and worse how he badly affected Rogue , one of my favs .

[Valmore]

Well you know what? Those bad writers should of kept him off the team and let him sit in limbo until something suitable could of been done.

Editorial decision, my friend - writers don't always get to hand-pick their teams. In general, eidtorial usually tells them which characters they get to work with. Gambit is a popular character, and hence, editorial tried to get him into a book to get his fans to buy.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Editorial decision, my friend - writers don't always get to hand-pick their teams. In general, eidtorial usually tells them which characters they get to work with. Gambit is a popular character, and hence, editorial tried to get him into a book to get his fans to buy.

And that's why he's bland. He was in forced stories with no coherent value. He's basically brought Rogue's character down to form as well. Right now, the villian turn is the best thing to happen in years to him.

[Valmore]

And that's why he's bland. He was in forced stories with no coherent value. He's basically brought Rogue's character down to form as well. Right now, the villian turn is the best thing to happen in years to him.

The same could be said that Rogue brought down Gambit's character as well, especially when they were the mopey and depressed couple. When they were fun and flirty, they actually could be fun to read.

And I agree, so long as it's well-written and not a lame plot just to kill him off, I'm excited about Gambit turning evil. This has the potential to be great, if they don't screw it up.

[(NO)]

Thing is i dont hate Gambit , he's far from my favorites , but i used to like seeing him . Right now he is just an eyesore to me . I remember not even caring about Bishop , as i found him quite ugly with his hair , thought he was too much the angry token black guy , and believed he wouldnt have any relevance once the whole Xmen Traitor plot would be resolved .. yet right now i'm liking him , he evolved into someone else , someone interesting , and even got a nice haircut .

Right now when i look at Gambit , i see his potential ruined , and worse how he badly affected Rogue , one of my favs .

LOL at Bishop's haircut.

Maybe it's Rogue who "ruined" Gambit. Rogue hasn't been able to touch another person ever since she was created. It doesn't matter who you put in a relationship with her, the frustration is always going to be there.

BTW, I like Rogue.

[Beast]

LOL at Bishop's haircut.

Maybe it's Rogue who "ruined" Gambit. Rogue hasn't been able to touch another person ever since she was created. It doesn't matter who you put in a relationship with her, the frustration is always going to be there.
That's what full length body condoms are for. :)
Besides, we all know that it's just an excuse, Rogue is Gambit's beard. ;)

[hybrid73]

In the cover of 185 Gambit looks like a Drow, lets give him two scimitars.

[Loestal]

In the cover of 185 Gambit looks like a Drow, lets give him two scimitars.

Wow....I'm so depressed because I know what this means.......

[(NO)]

Is Ozymandis the "Phantom Torso" Gazer has been talking to in space?

[X-Men Forever]

Wow....I'm so depressed because I know what this means.......

Gambit Drizzt Do'Urden the Dark Elf Horseman :D .

[streator]

gambit is my favorite x-man, and i hope him becoming a horseman doesn't mean he's going to die. i don't think that'll happen.
i could see stories involving him trying to fight off whatever apoc did to him in the aftermath, kind of using him as an occasional conflicted guest star.
i do hope this will end his relationship with rogue.
like i said before, i am most interested (right now) as to why gambit is going to be a horseman. i really don't see him becoming one of his own free will.

[Loestal]

Gambit Drizzt Do'Urden the Dark Elf Horseman :D .


Hahaha...Jesus, kill me.

[X-Men Forever]

Hahaha...Jesus, kill me.

The Dark Elf Trilogy and the Icewind Dale stuff by RA Salvator is some good reading. Nothing to be ashamed of here :D .

[Neolucifer]

Maybe it's Rogue who "ruined" Gambit. Rogue hasn't been able to touch another person ever since she was created. It doesn't matter who you put in a relationship with her, the frustration is always going to be there.

BTW, I like Rogue.

Except that Rogue wasnt that dull in past relationships ( Magneto) . Sure she felt bad with that Cody boy when she ended up hurting him with her power , but it wasnt overplayed like the whole gambit/rogue "woe is me , we cant touch" couple , even if to be fair , nothing lasted as much .

[Erkoban]

Here's what I'm wondering.

Back in the Nicieza/Seagle run, Gambit had the ability to charge organic objects as well. If Apocalypse gives him a huge power upgrade couldn't he theoretically charge himself up with enough kinetic energy to make himself unstoppable similar to what they're doing with Juggernaut in X3?

Hahaha don't be silly, do you really think they're going to reference to that particular story?

That's older than his time in X-treme X-men, and they can't even acknowledge the progression and changes undergone in that title. Let's not fool ourselves into thinking that Gambit series way back means anything today.

[Blackcat]

Wow, the artwork looks amazing. Sal looks like he knew this would be a cool storyline to amp up his art so I'm impressed. Glad he got a break between issues, the Liquid! coloring kicks ass it seems that they're coloring over his pencils again.

I also think he's using the kickass Marvel Legends Apocalypse figure for reference since it 's probably the best rendition of the character I've seen thus far. As far as Gambit being a horseman goes, I would say it's one of the more interesting things to happen to him in Milligan's run I just hope he and Sunfire as well as whoever else are horsemen (Gazer looks to be a Caliban'ish addition) will be more long term than The Twelve.


I agree on the art. It looks awesome. The story promisses to be very interesting and exciting. I allready love it!! If X-Men stays like this I'm sure sales will go up again.

I'm not sure on what Gazer does there. I don't think he's a horsemen. He seems to be taking Rex his position a bit (remember him?) so, more his assistant.

But also I like the way Rogue is going. We see her with the Augustus guy. Her lover become a horseman and let's not forget, horsemen choose themselves to join Apo. That won't be taken lightly. Rogue will get it hard because porbably the will get confronted with Sunfire too. I hope the writers treat her well and not make her cry to much etc. Hope she will become the tough gal again we all miss so much.

So we know 2 out of 4, curious when the other 2 will be revealed...!

I remember they also made a promise Gaunlet will re-appear with new new Dark Riders, but I can't remember where I wrote that, anyone does?

They said one or two (E)X-Men would become horsemen, so they are made public now. That means Havok, Beast, Moonstar and Polaris won't join Apo.

That leaves: Avalance, Dark Beast, Erg, Ozymandias, Mystique and Sabastian Shaw to become the third. They told the fourth is a brand new character. Guess Ozy is no option because is a kind of helper all the time. So it's gonna be.......

[ibrakeforchinwe]

Hold up...so X-Treme, Generation X, X-Force, and Excalibur arn't in continuity anymore?

I know X-Force, at least the Liefeld version with Cable (not the Milligan/Allred version) is cannon because their was a reunion mini in 2004 with Liefeld and Nicieza.


It was a joke. Its just that no one seems to care about past works or continuity anymore.

[Will.S]

Hahaha don't be silly, do you really think they're going to reference to that particular story?

That's older than his time in X-treme X-men, and they can't even acknowledge the progression and changes undergone in that title. Let's not fool ourselves into thinking that Gambit series way back means anything today.
Hey, it could happen:

http://www.lib.uwo.ca/weldon/news/hottopics/images/mcworld.jpg
McWOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRLD!!!!

[LordGorto]

As a Gambit fan, I'm glad to see something exciting done with him - he's been portrayed as the wuss of the X-Men lately (along with Iceman). But as an Apocalypse and the Horsemen fan, I was really, REALLY hoping Chamber would be the new Death. Oh well. Here's hoping he's Plague or Pestilence.
One more thing that's bothering me - Apoc has seen the pure power of Scarlet Witch - shouldn't he be recruiting her? Or the guy (Krakatoa?) who's giving the X-Men fits in Deadly Genesis? Gambit & Sunfire, while powerful, don't seem powerful enough.

[Neolucifer]

Gambit has been shown in the past as insanely powerful , dont judge him by his current wussy self that would rpevent him from harming a bird :p .
Sunfire also is quite a powerhouse , at least in AOA .

Anyway i dont see how Pocy would be able to deal with Wanda . He couldnt handle Onslaught alone , and it could be argued that Wanda is possibly more powerful .

As for the new "Deadly genesis" , how would Pocy even be aware of his existence ?? Its not as if he has made yet a public appearance .
Besides i can only see Apocalypse leading henchmen inferior (yet quite powerful) to him . It would be an heresy to have him seduce/brainwash villains/heroes of his stature . Something like Apocalypse ordering around a still powered magneto would be atrocious . And well Wanda and that new villain seems above , or at least in the same league than him .

[zinderel]

I have a question...is it explicitly stated that the guy is Gambit? I didn't see that anywhere, though, based on the staff and the brown coat thing, it's a good, educated guess.

But what, does Apocalypse now grant hair extentions to his Horsemen, in addition to amping their powers?

[Neolucifer]

Well its already stated that two xmen will be horsemen .. one being confirmed as sunfire . I cant see anyone else grasping Rogue and making her crying like that besides her loved one . Lets not forget that he's also using a Staff .

And well Angel appearances was also quite different after Pocy's Extreme Makover (Tm)

[zinderel]

True...though I still think, based on events in 182, that Lorna is going to be a Horseman...

[Nick Kal]

You know what... what if that pic is like a dream of Rogue's or something? Gambit might not be on the X-Men Line Up also cause he could be headed to Uncanny... but still Gambit as a horseman seems likely.

[Sparta]

You know what... what if that pic is like a dream of Rogue's or something?

Nah, that'll be a huge cop out. (and bad writing)

I have a question...is it explicitly stated that the guy is Gambit? I didn't see that anywhere, though, based on the staff and the brown coat thing, it's a good, educated guess.

For sure it's Gambit. Milligan said a well-known/popular figure will walk out of the X-Men. Well, that and the cover says it all...the coat, the staff, the red eyes, the emotion on Rogue's face...

Anyway, as a Gambit fan myself, he needs a change. Usually with the history of being Horseman known as Death, something major happens to the characters personality or powers or even appearance. Angel switched to Archangel for a LONG time, Wolverine got his adamantium back (for the better). Plus Gambit needs to let loose and become his own character. I like his relationship with Rogue fine, as long as it's not soap-opera related. Their portrayal on X-Treme was entertaining for a while. But Claremont seems to be the only writer that can write their relationship well. Maybe Milligan can do a good job in his final arc.

[Siddon]

Or its really Lorna and Havok and they just miss-colored it for a miss-direction. But Gambit or Havok as Horsemen make a lot of sense but do we have any word on who the other two horsemen are?

[Neolucifer]

Sunfire . Its not said per se .. but heavily implied by the pics in the latest JQ interview at newsarama .

[Nick Kal]

Havok will not be a Horseman, especially since all of this Summers Brother stuff is happening right now.

[Unkillable Cat]

Uhm...are you people certain that Gambit is the Horseman?

Look at the preview pages given here. (http://www.newsarama.com/JoeFridays/JoeFridays35.html)

Look at the picture on the far left, the one with Sunfire flying above the Sphinx.

Look at the upper insert. On the right we see Colossus and a blonde bloke, most likely Havok, but on the left we see...Rogue and Gambit?

[Nick Kal]

Uhm...are you people certain that Gambit is the Horseman?

Look at the preview pages given here. (http://www.newsarama.com/JoeFridays/JoeFridays35.html)

Look at the picture on the far left, the one with Sunfire flying above the Sphinx.

Look at the upper insert. On the right we see Colossus and a blonde bloke, most likely Havok, but on the left we see...Rogue and Gambit?

Probably a scene from before he becomes a horseman?

[f4faith]

Except that Rogue wasnt that dull in past relationships ( Magneto) .

Magneto in 616 was a TWO issue "relationship" in which one of the issues she had no powers and Magneto basically did all the talking about said relationship. Frankly there was no relationship. And I hated her in the AoA with him where she everything she had was based on his power. Her leadership position, touching, everthing on down. Wow great you can do things for yourself Rogue instead of being your husband's cheering squad. Oh Magneto tell us what to do. Ugh - she was worse than dull in the AoA. The X-Men can survive without Xavier but the AoA X-Men were all an incestuous bunch that seemed lost without Magneto.

Agreed Marvel has dragged the no touch on and on but that is their fault in that they won't give up on it for Rogue. Yes any relationship she is in until Rogue deals with her powers is going to focus on that because Marvel can't seem to let her deal with her power in any reasonable way. They could have easily used her relationship to have Rogue trying all sorts of things to learn about her powers, have gains and setbacks - dealt with the personalities in her head but MARVEL didn't and that is not any other characters fault. That is poor ideas of the writers. I don't blame other characters for cruddy writing.

[streator]

Probably a scene from before he becomes a horseman?
that's what i'd guess.
good to see other x-men are going to be involved in this storyline (as opposed to just the adjectiveless squad).

[Valmore]

From the last issue of X-Men, we can see hints of what would push Gambit over the edge: Mystique.

[Teamballin]

Okay Are we for sure that Gambit will be a Horsemen? That will really tarnish his character.

[f4faith]

that's what i'd guess.
good to see other x-men are going to be involved in this storyline (as opposed to just the adjectiveless squad).

Actually no it's not. Milligan has hardly used this squad in their own book. I suppose if the others play background but that's not been the case in the past. I liked this team and I can't stand the new one coming behind it. It's a shame that we couldn't just once have seen these characters have one decent story but we're at the end and it's more of a look as I rip this team and characters apart story it seems.

[Beast]

Okay Are we for sure that Gambit will be a Horsemen? That will really tarnish his character.
Like leading the Marauders to the tunnels to kill the Morlocks didn't? :D

[streator]

Actually no it's not. Milligan has hardly used this squad in their own book. I suppose if the others play background but that's not been the case in the past. I liked this team and I can't stand the new one coming behind it. It's a shame that we couldn't just once have seen these characters have one decent story but we're at the end and it's more of a look as I rip this team and characters apart story it seems.
i meant using more x-characters in the sense that apocalypse is a big threat that deserves the attention of all of the x-men, not just the 5 or so members that usually make up x-men's team.
i too liked x-men's lineup, but i think apoc deserves a larger presence.