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Mr. Jip
01-17-2006, 08:30 AM
OK i'm really digging the new X-Factor series. :)
But can any of you kind folk here please tell me, just who the hell is this little girl Layla Miller, & what is her power? :confused:
i know that she is a HofM character, but who is she affliated with? Parents?
Legal guardians?
Why is she suddenly with X-Factor?

Thank you in advance.

Twigglet
01-17-2006, 08:32 AM
Apart from X-factor she was featured in HOM, her "power" was to allow the heroes with no memories of the real world, to gain there old memories.

She was the only person apart from Wolverine to remember this.

According to Emma Frost, she is NOT a mutant.

Mr. Jip
01-17-2006, 08:34 AM
omg, that sounds like she's really FUBAR.

Well whoever WROTE her is retarded & FUBAR.

Thanks for the prompt reply, darling.

Mr. Jip
01-17-2006, 08:35 AM
so she's magical then?

She is a little girl, right?
Doesn't she need a legal guardian if she doesn't have any parents???? :confused:

The Lucky One
01-17-2006, 08:36 AM
She is a little girl, right?
Doesn't she need a legal guardian if she doesn't have any parents???? :confused:

No way, dude... she knows things.

-D

Karl J. Barnes
01-17-2006, 08:37 AM
omg, that sounds like she's really FUBAR.

Well whoever WROTE her is retarded & FUBAR.

Thanks for the prompt reply, darling.

Join the "Blame Bendis" Group. It was his baby House of M that started it.

Cowlander
01-17-2006, 08:41 AM
Honestly I think shes the twin or seperate half of the "old sage" guy working for singular. That looks like the angle David is going towards.

The Mirrorball Man
01-17-2006, 08:44 AM
She is a little girl, right?
Doesn't she need a legal guardian if she doesn't have any parents? :confused:
She probably does, but you know, if I can accept the fact that the X-Men spent all these years with Rogue without asking her name, I can accept a kid living by herself.

Erkoban
01-17-2006, 08:44 AM
Layla Miller is the Ultimate plot-device. She knows stuff, she's like the most powerful being ever created!

She toppled the Scarlett Witch all by herself, unaffected by the foul abilities of that Maximoff sow. She travelled the globe and did stuff to people! Heroes even. She has the ability to stretch out time, take one issue and expand it into three, perhaps even four, and she make Luke Cage fall into exposition after 4 issues of nothing.

Bendis is a god where writing is concerned! His dialogue so fresh and unique, so natural and easy to follow.

Karl J. Barnes
01-17-2006, 08:47 AM
Layla Miller is the Ultimate plot-device. She knows stuff, she's like the most powerful being ever created!

She toppled the Scarlett Witch all by herself, unaffected by the foul abilities of that Maximoff sow. She travelled the globe and did stuff to people! Heroes even. She has the ability to stretch out time, take one issue and expand it into three, perhaps even four, and she make Luke Cage fall into exposition after 4 issues of nothing.

Bendis is a god where writing is concerned! His dialogue so fresh and unique, so natural and easy to follow.

*And the Sarcasm Meter has gone all Blaooey!!*

DDM
01-17-2006, 08:49 AM
Layla Miller is Bendis' other deus ex machina (besides the Scarlet Witch & Dr. Strange) from House of M.

PAD is making Layla Miller being a deus ex machina a joke. I'm glad he did. Beyond that, she is a tabula rasa.

Mr. Jip
01-17-2006, 09:01 AM
Layla Miller is Bendis' other deus ex machina (besides the Scarlet Witch & Dr. Strange) from House of M.


Huh???
As if SW and Dr.S ain't deus ex machina enough?~?!!?
OMaiGawd is Bendis THAT desperate?!?!?!



PAD is making Layla Miller being a deus ex machina a joke. I'm glad he did. Beyond that, she is a tabula rasa.

oH, ok.
ahahHAHA
Now that makes sense.
Teeheeehee!!
Loves PAD!!!!!!

Flight
01-17-2006, 09:01 AM
Who are all these STUPID posters making STUPID threads?

Mr. Jip
01-17-2006, 09:21 AM
Who are all these STUPID posters making STUPID threads?

SHUTCHO CLAM, YOU FAT HIPPO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NickThompson
01-17-2006, 09:28 AM
PAD created Layla with Bendis.

The Sword Is Drawn
01-17-2006, 09:44 AM
She's more than just a plot device.

I think it's quite ironic Layla seems to know just about anything and everything, exept how come she DOES know anything and everything...

Most interesting.

I'm sure we'll find out a heck of a lot more about her in good time...

Twigglet
01-17-2006, 09:52 AM
She's more than just a plot device.

I think it's quite ironic Layla seems to know just about anything and everything, exept how come she DOES know anything and everything...

Most interesting.

I'm sure we'll find out a heck of a lot more about her in good time...

She is a plot device, in the same way everything else in most comics is a plot device.

I think the ones calling Layla a Dues Ex Machina are jumping the gun a little bit, we don't know how she was created yet, or what she's there for.

Erkoban
01-17-2006, 10:11 AM
She is a plot device, in the same way everything else in most comics is a plot device.

No, that's incorrect.

In House of M, a new character, namely Layla Millar was used to awaken every hero out there. She had no background, no personality, only a vague unspecified ability to make people see what should be.

She served the story only to awaken the heroes.

There was no other way for them to know that reality had changed. Except Wolverine.

So she's thrown into the story, no background, no personality, no nothing, and the only thing she did was wake the heroes up.

that's what people call a plot device. Because she's a character brought in solely to serve one purpose, a purpose that couldn't be fullfilled through other means.


I think the ones calling Layla a Dues Ex Machina are jumping the gun a little bit, we don't know how she was created yet, or what she's there for.

Irrelevant. In House of M she was a Deus ex Machina.

ibrakeforchinwe
01-17-2006, 10:13 AM
No Layla was created by Bendis, but PAD had intended to use her from the start. She was created for HOM and X-Factor.

Emma said she wasn't sure Layla was a mutant right? Or a different kind of mutant? Something odd.

Mr. Jip
01-17-2006, 10:15 AM
i hope Monet gets to be mean to Layla. :evilsmile

Monet thinks she knows everything as well, so.... :rolleyes: :cool:

The Fury
01-17-2006, 10:25 AM
No Layla was created by Bendis, but PAD had intended to use her from the start. She was created for HOM and X-Factor.

Emma said she wasn't sure Layla was a mutant right? Or a different kind of mutant? Something odd.
I thought it was a mutant but not, her mind did not work on the same level as other mutants.

Or some crap like that. You know she could be a Homo-supreme (or whatever), like the GLX-men.

Twigglet
01-17-2006, 10:44 AM
PAD posting on Layla Millar

"She was offered to me to use in X-Factor when we were still deciding which characters to use. At the time at which using her first came up, nothing about her had been printed and not even a lot had been written. I liked the idea of using a character with so little backstory and lots of room to maneuver. Furthermore, "X-Factor" is by definition the unknown. Thematically, I was attracted to the idea of the team--and, for that matter, the reader--dealing with a complete unknown in the mix.

After speaking extensively to Brian, we also came to the conclusion that I wasn't bound to anything in terms of what Layla was like in House of M because it was a parallel world construct, so nothing was graven in stone when it went away. Plus, since the Decimation was going to be an element of X-Factor's investigations, at least to start out, it made sense to have a living incarnation that sprung from that series to be a presence in the book.

At which point, seeing no real downside and lots of upside, I said that yeah, I'd definitely bring her onboard on "X-Factor." My decision made everybody happy, including Brian; if nothing else, it made her seem less like a plot device who was introduced purely for "House of M," never to be seen again. But I wasn't pressured in any way. It was, "Here she is, are you interested?"

The repetition of "I know stuff" was simply my way of dealing with her encountering a half dozen characters who had no idea who the hell she was or what she was doing there. I wanted something short, succinct and memorable. Plus I liked playing the different reactions of the cast members, ranging from Guido trying to penetrate the circular logic to Monet with a dismissive, "How special for you." For that matter, it allows me to illuminate the various characters by how they interact with her. As you'll see next issue, Monet is the first to have no problem treating Layla like a servant, casually issuing orders for things she wants done. While Madrox and Rahne are determined to learn about her, and Guido quickly becomes protective of her, Monet is simply, "Good, someone to do stuff for me. Meanwhile she's quietly manipulating everybody, and none of them quite realizes it except for the only powerless one, Rictor, who's the first to tumble to it. She stirs things up. She's an X-Factor.

Besides, no one's been complaining about thirty YEARS of "I'm the best there is at what I do," so I certainly think a few issues of "I know stuff" isn't asking too much for fans to endure.

PAD"

Twigglet
01-17-2006, 10:45 AM
No, that's incorrect.

In House of M, a new character, namely Layla Millar was used to awaken every hero out there. She had no background, no personality, only a vague unspecified ability to make people see what should be.

She served the story only to awaken the heroes.

There was no other way for them to know that reality had changed. Except Wolverine.

So she's thrown into the story, no background, no personality, no nothing, and the only thing she did was wake the heroes up.

that's what people call a plot device. Because she's a character brought in solely to serve one purpose, a purpose that couldn't be fullfilled through other means.



Irrelevant. In House of M she was a Deus ex Machina.

I think theres definitly more to Layla Millar than that. A construct of Wanda which she made herself bcause she subconciously knew what she did was wrong? Something connected to Xaviers dissapearance? Whatever it is I look forward to reading X-factor to find out who/what she is.

Chiasm
01-17-2006, 11:38 AM
At which point, seeing no real downside and lots of upside, I said that yeah, I'd definitely bring her onboard on "X-Factor." My decision made everybody happy, including Brian; if nothing else, it made her seem less like a plot device who was introduced purely for "House of M," never to be seen again. But I wasn't pressured in any way. It was, "Here she is, are you interested?"


This paragraph says a lot. Bendis basically admits he created a deus ex machina in his story and he jumped at the chance to have a superior writer save his bacon.

Mr. Jip
01-17-2006, 11:44 AM
This paragraph says a lot. Bendis basically admits he created a deus ex machina in his story and he jumped at the chance to have a superior writer save his bacon.



LMAO~~!!!

And dang, that PAD sounds so sexysmart. :D

Karl J. Barnes
01-17-2006, 11:45 AM
Still think that Layla will somehow re-power some ,if not most of the de-powered mutants. Not soon, but I just have a feeling that she will be involved.

NickThompson
01-17-2006, 01:47 PM
This paragraph says a lot. Bendis basically admits he created a deus ex machina in his story and he jumped at the chance to have a superior writer save his bacon.
If by "basically" you mean "didn't" :)


He didn't want Layla to be a one mini plot device, he wanted her to be something more.

riotgear
01-17-2006, 01:57 PM
Layla Miller is the Ultimate plot-device. She knows stuff, she's like the most powerful being ever created!

She toppled the Scarlett Witch all by herself, unaffected by the foul abilities of that Maximoff sow. She travelled the globe and did stuff to people! Heroes even. She has the ability to stretch out time, take one issue and expand it into three, perhaps even four, and she make Luke Cage fall into exposition after 4 issues of nothing.

Bendis is a god where writing is concerned! His dialogue so fresh and unique, so natural and easy to follow.

God help us if you're serious...

jadegiant77
01-17-2006, 02:41 PM
PAD posting on Layla Millar

"She was offered to me to use in X-Factor when we were still deciding which characters to use. At the time at which using her first came up, nothing about her had been printed and not even a lot had been written. I liked the idea of using a character with so little backstory and lots of room to maneuver. Furthermore, "X-Factor" is by definition the unknown. Thematically, I was attracted to the idea of the team--and, for that matter, the reader--dealing with a complete unknown in the mix.

After speaking extensively to Brian, we also came to the conclusion that I wasn't bound to anything in terms of what Layla was like in House of M because it was a parallel world construct, so nothing was graven in stone when it went away. Plus, since the Decimation was going to be an element of X-Factor's investigations, at least to start out, it made sense to have a living incarnation that sprung from that series to be a presence in the book.

At which point, seeing no real downside and lots of upside, I said that yeah, I'd definitely bring her onboard on "X-Factor." My decision made everybody happy, including Brian; if nothing else, it made her seem less like a plot device who was introduced purely for "House of M," never to be seen again. But I wasn't pressured in any way. It was, "Here she is, are you interested?"

The repetition of "I know stuff" was simply my way of dealing with her encountering a half dozen characters who had no idea who the hell she was or what she was doing there. I wanted something short, succinct and memorable. Plus I liked playing the different reactions of the cast members, ranging from Guido trying to penetrate the circular logic to Monet with a dismissive, "How special for you." For that matter, it allows me to illuminate the various characters by how they interact with her. As you'll see next issue, Monet is the first to have no problem treating Layla like a servant, casually issuing orders for things she wants done. While Madrox and Rahne are determined to learn about her, and Guido quickly becomes protective of her, Monet is simply, "Good, someone to do stuff for me. Meanwhile she's quietly manipulating everybody, and none of them quite realizes it except for the only powerless one, Rictor, who's the first to tumble to it. She stirs things up. She's an X-Factor.

Besides, no one's been complaining about thirty YEARS of "I'm the best there is at what I do," so I certainly think a few issues of "I know stuff" isn't asking too much for fans to endure.

PAD"

*YAWN*

When Logan says "I'm the best...etc." he usually backs it up by ripping some guy's spleen out. This annoying lil' brat just repeats "I know stuff" like a dictaphone and doesn't really do anything. Thank god that we're gonna get some answers by issue #6 or I'd be ready to slit my wrists.

Chou Blaster
01-17-2006, 03:05 PM
Here's my take on Layla:

She is a plot device, and a Psionic Construct of the Good that is left in Scarlet Witch in a new form. ( Basicly she is the Jimmy Cricket of Wanda, given well different form/mind set, and why she kne wwhat happened in House of M, because Wanda rewrote freakken Reality. So who else would know what she was doing? Wanda herself, or some extraplanar enity from another reality who was observing it.)

StoneGold
01-17-2006, 03:24 PM
*YAWN*

When Logan says "I'm the best...etc." he usually backs it up by ripping some guy's spleen out. This annoying lil' brat just repeats "I know stuff" like a dictaphone and doesn't really do anything.
Except she backs it up by knowing stuff.

DDM
01-17-2006, 03:31 PM
It would by great if Layla Miller ends up being a doorway for Chthon to enter into Earth's reality. He'll strip her like a skin then he'll start bringing his demon horde (such as the N'Garai) through her as an living portal.

Uncle Nobs
01-17-2006, 04:02 PM
OK i'm really digging the new X-Factor series.
But can any of you kind folk here please tell me, just who the hell is this little girl Layla Miller, & what is her power?
i know that she is a HofM character, but who is she affliated with? Parents?
Legal guardians?
Why is she suddenly with X-Factor?

Thank you in advance.
Oh, HER. She's just a fanciful character who gets involved with the X-books when it's conVENient for her. I expect she'll disappear after she's had her fill, then go off and party and not bother even dropping in on her X-friends from time to time. Sound like anyone you KNOW? Hmm~~MMMM--?! :confused: :mad: :eek:

The Fury
01-17-2006, 04:05 PM
I thought Layla was meant to be Xavier?

You know, what Xavier wanted was to be a 13 year old girl.

Man, people came up with the crappest stuff around HoM.

ibrakeforchinwe
01-17-2006, 05:01 PM
I thought Layla was meant to be Xavier?

You know, what Xavier wanted was to be a 13 year old girl.

Man, people came up with the crappest stuff around HoM.

No. People simply thought that.

Mr. Jip
01-17-2006, 11:36 PM
Oh, HER. She's just a fanciful character who gets involved with the X-books when it's conVENient for her. I expect she'll disappear after she's had her fill, then go off and party and not bother even dropping in on her X-friends from time to time. Sound like anyone you KNOW? Hmm~~MMMM--?!

:eek:



...
......


Oh you KNOW i love you, but you're not emotionally available, so just CHILL and
shutcho pan-dimensional whining ass.
;)
:rolleyes:
:cool:

Twigglet
01-18-2006, 12:34 AM
It would by great if Layla Miller ends up being a doorway for Chthon to enter into Earth's reality. He'll strip her like a skin then he'll start bringing his demon horde (such as the N'Garai) through her as an living portal.

Stupidest. Story. Ever

The Sword Is Drawn
01-18-2006, 06:09 AM
Stupidest. Story. Ever

Carefull. Expect Milligan to be using it any day now...

Uncle Nobs
01-18-2006, 10:48 AM
:eek:



...
......


Oh you KNOW i love you, but you're not emotionally available, so just CHILL and
shutcho pan-dimensional whining ass.
;)
:rolleyes:
:cool:
What? Did you say something? I couldn't hear over the sound of my own sobbing.

I think you've earned another implied copyright on the word "shutcho" along with the liberal use of "~".

Adam Crocker
01-18-2006, 12:19 PM
omg, that sounds like she's really FUBAR.

I think the word you're looking for is "MacGuffin" which about describes the function she served for House of M.

(Of course that may change as PAD seems to be using the character for more interesting purposes.)


She is a little girl, right?
Doesn't she need a legal guardian if she doesn't have any parents???? :confused:

There was a scene with her in House of M #8 that indicates that she has parents, namely with someone yelling at her to get up and out to school, and calling "Layla Rose Miller." (Hm, sounds like a mom.)

Layla Miller is the Ultimate plot-device.

Her name is Lyla MacGuffin. ;)

DDM
01-18-2006, 01:03 PM
Carefull. Expect Milligan to be using it any day now...

Milligan would have to know Chthon's link to the Scarlet Witch to make the story from Avengers #185-187. As far as I know, he knows zip about most of the mutants in general.

Flight
01-18-2006, 01:28 PM
Oh look, yet another thread that has turned into Milligan bashing even though it has NOTHING to do with Milligans book.

Twigglet
01-18-2006, 02:23 PM
Milligan would have to know Chthon's link to the Scarlet Witch to make the story from Avengers #185-187. As far as I know, he knows zip about most of the mutants in general.

Do you mean a Marvel writer hasn't read every single comic in existance?

OFF WITH THIER HEADS.

Valmore
01-18-2006, 02:35 PM
She's better known as "The Plot Device."

DDM
01-18-2006, 03:06 PM
Do you mean a Marvel writer hasn't read every single comic in existance?

OFF WITH THIER HEADS.

Actually, between the late Mark Gruenwald & Peter Sanderson with a few other editors & writers, Marvel, at one time, did have comprehensive Marvel Universe knowledge at their fingertips. Yes, with this group, they had read virtually every known Marvel Comic in existence. The opposite has happened to Marvel since with the brain drain leaving Marvel Comics with Joe Quesada's uneasiness with continuity.

Tre Styles
01-18-2006, 03:21 PM
Here's some more thoughts on the topic:
Layla Miller: Superhuman Plot Device? (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=85333&page=1&pp=15)

jadegiant77
01-18-2006, 04:58 PM
Except she backs it up by knowing stuff.

So...what EXACTLY does she know? I haven't seen her exhibit any special knowledge or whatever.

streator
01-18-2006, 08:48 PM
So...what EXACTLY does she know? I haven't seen her exhibit any special knowledge or whatever.
she seems to know things that are going to happen. at least things that happen in the relative future, i guess. i'm going off of what's been presented in x-factor.

X-Men Forever
01-18-2006, 08:59 PM
She may be a pre-cog.

DDM
01-19-2006, 08:28 AM
So...what EXACTLY does she know? I haven't seen her exhibit any special knowledge or whatever.

Layla knows important information to the central plot; hence, she is a deus ex machina.

Tre Styles
01-19-2006, 08:40 AM
Could she be ....Destiny re-born? ;)

Beast
01-19-2006, 08:47 AM
Could she be ....Destiny re-born? ;)
Don't tell Mystique, at least until Layla is legal. :D

Mr. Jip
02-01-2006, 04:44 AM
Don't tell Mystique, at least until Layla is legal. :D

...Well Mystique can morph into another little girl & it'll be legal... :evilsmile
...well not LEGAL but more OK... :rolleyes:

:eek:

Blackcat
02-01-2006, 05:57 AM
she knows things...........

The Sword Is Drawn
02-01-2006, 07:34 AM
Yeah, I reckon she's a precog, and all of those who moan about her being included in X-Factor should quit now. I'd be very surprised if she didn't turn out the be a central force for the book.

riotgear
02-01-2006, 11:53 AM
Do you mean a Marvel writer hasn't read every single comic in existance?

OFF WITH THIER HEADS.

The readers do it, so why can't the writers?

Oh, that's right. Because we don't have lives. :rolleyes:

Alex A Sanchez
02-02-2006, 12:45 AM
So...what EXACTLY does she know? I haven't seen her exhibit any special knowledge or whatever.

[spoilers]

She knew that the shooter from X-factor #1 was from Singularity Investigations, she knew what Singularity Investigations was, she knew S.I. would be able to/were expecting to stop Siryn, she knew who Gloria Santiago was before she entered, she knew the case was related to S.I., and I have a feeling that she knew Rictor would find that couple fighting at the gas station.

On a side note, I've never read anything Bendis, but I always hear people raving about him. Like the dude at this comic shop I hate- he gives me grief anytime I buy something not Bendis. I find it hilarious that no one here seems to think he's any good.

Brian M.
02-02-2006, 12:52 AM
[spoilers]

She knew that the shooter from X-factor #1 was from Singularity Investigations, she knew what Singularity Investigations was, she knew S.I. would be able to/were expecting to stop Siryn, she knew who Gloria Santiago was before she entered, she knew the case was related to S.I., and I have a feeling that she knew Rictor would find that couple fighting at the gas station.

On a side note, I've never read anything Bendis, but I always hear people raving about him. Like the dude at this comic shop I hate- he gives me grief anytime I buy something not Bendis. I find it hilarious that no one here seems to think he's any good.

Next time that prick at your store gives you crap about buying Bendis...tell him your'll go to a different shop to spend your money. Watch him love you.

G.O.K.I.
02-02-2006, 07:08 AM
...I like Bendis. I wouldn't say he's the greatest thing since sliced toast...but he's ok in my book. I love what he's doing with New Avengers...Spider-Woman Origin is kinda dragging to me though. Does he write anything else?

On topic though, anyone who read yesterday X-Factor should know by know...Layla Miller is a force to be reckoned with.

Cause she's Layla Miller...

...and she knows stuff.

fishtaco
02-02-2006, 07:13 AM
On topic though, anyone who read yesterday X-Factor should know by know...Layla Miller is a force to be reckoned with.

Cause she's Layla Miller...

...and she knows stuff.Agreed. My view on Layla Miller turned 180 degrees yesterday after reading X-Factor (3rd Series) 3. PAD can make any character look good.

I'm boycotting Bendis...

MrBeebs37
02-02-2006, 08:07 AM
The Lyla Miller joke is still good. It's only been like 3 issues for god sakes.

And my guess as to who/what she is, admittedly out of left field, is the Captain Marvel entity that Quesada keeps insisting has already been introduced into the Marvel Universe. PAD's Captain Marvel character also had a tendency to know things. Just a thought...

Twigglet
02-02-2006, 09:40 AM
Layla knows important information to the central plot; hence, she is a deus ex machina.

Someone who knows something about the central plot is considered a plot device now? I stand by my statement that most characters om comics are plot devices then.

Ryan Day
02-02-2006, 11:24 AM
Someone who knows something about the central plot is considered a plot device now? I stand by my statement that most characters om comics are plot devices then.

Most of them are, or at least started out that way. Take Alpha Flight - John Byrne has said that their sole purpose was to be a team that could match the X-Men. Plenty of villains are designed specifically to oppose the hero of a book, and plenty of supporting characters are written to advance the plot - think of all the scientific mumbo-jumbo Moira McTaggert did to create stories.

For that matter - many people consider the original Secret Wars to be a classic, but the Beyond is just about the biggest cosmic plot device the Marvel Universe has ever seen.

Alex A Sanchez
02-02-2006, 01:02 PM
Most of them are, or at least started out that way. Take Alpha Flight - John Byrne has said that their sole purpose was to be a team that could match the X-Men. Plenty of villains are designed specifically to oppose the hero of a book, and plenty of supporting characters are written to advance the plot - think of all the scientific mumbo-jumbo Moira McTaggert did to create stories.

For that matter - many people consider the original Secret Wars to be a classic, but the Beyond is just about the biggest cosmic plot device the Marvel Universe has ever seen.

I think I'm finally starting to understand. Like Unicron, in Transformers the Movie. The only purpose he served was to be a giant threat larger than both the Decepticons and the Autobots. As cool of a design as he had, he was truely an aweful character.