WWE RAW Review: " Clash of the Champions ! "

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Its been a wild week in the WWE. The company shifted Kurt Angle to Smackdown to offset the loss of Batista and could move another star there as rumors persist. The Brand will likely undergo a change by May when the usual WWE Draft takes place.


Onto news!

The WWE has started advertising a new VP of Interactive Programming. You can find it ay a Yahoolink and on WWE.Com ! Thier also looking for a Creative Director for WWE.Com too.

Ric Flair has told the press in Charlotte that the Road Rage reports aren't true. He also said that it is true that he has to keep wrestling due to the fact he owes ex-wife Beth half of it. Beth is the woman who spends $ 65,000 dollars a year on clothes. I sh-t you not.

Matt Morgan was arrested for impersanting an officer after he pulled a female driver over. Yes...it sounds stupied to do.

Texas Legend Ricky Romero has passed away due to complications with diabetes. Romero was a huge face in Texas in the late 60's and 70's. His sounds are pretty well known as ...The Youngbloods. Mark , Chris and Steve ( who wrestled as Jay Youngblood ).

El Texano aka Jaun Aguiler has also passed away. He was being rushed to the hospital for emergency surgery and died of respritory failure. El Texano formed a great team with Silver King and was featured on a WCW Clash of Champions as well.

Onto RAW.

The Good:

The R Rated Superstar comes out with Lita half naked as usual. The Champ is here folks. The heat is pretty awesome as fans split between Ric Flair and John Cena.

You gotta give Edge props. He's fueding with 2 men right now and he's helping get one of them back over as a face. Edge brags about how he's changed the Business....the WWE.Com gettin 25 million downloads to see him as Champion and RAW gettings its highest rated segment in 2 years for his Sex Show!

Edge is about to get his freak back on as Kurt Angle walks down angry. Kurt pretty much sells his face turn here by telling Edge he doesn't act like a Champion. The 2 get heated as Edge says it took him 2 minutes to beat Cena which Angle couldn't do all year! Ohhh those are fightin words !

Angle and Edge get ready to go baby....as Edge backs off and says why the hell would he even wanna be a Champion of a B Show ? He and Angle look ready again as Vince comes down and makes the matches. Edge shares a small " ha ha told ya " as he leaves. Vince makes it like this....Shawn has to beat Kurt or he loses his job.

Micheals is shocked but goes into the match and I have to say...its a good one. This sadly will be the last Micheals/Angle match we'll get for awhile as both men leave it all. The best spots are when Angle nails his olympic slam on Micheals outside the ring! And when Shawn rolls thru Kurt's finisher and manages to roll him for a pin nearly!

Davari however costs Kurt the match and Kurt seals his no nonsense face turn by olympic slammin the poor s.o.b over the top rope like a rag doll. During the break Kurt sells his breakup with Davari.

Edge thank the gods saves us minutes of time wasted watching Chris Masters and John Cena breakin that crappy move. Thank you Edge.

Backstage we see Shawn Micheals and Vince have a staredown. Vince is shocked at how lucky Micheals is. I can see this working is if Vince turns Micheals into a relunctant heel but if its for a match...hell no. I'd love to see Micheals become a heel again personally. He's always clicked more with me than the bible thumpin Shawn.

Vince boots him outta the building and then decides to have some fun outta Ric Flair. He tells Ric he could win the title but its clear Vince made the match because he wanted to punish Flair. Ric....says nothing. It was a very wierd promo...one which Candace Michelle took part in and ended as Vince kept talkin to Flair. I think the producers decided to cut Vince's stupied , rambling promo even. I'm sure his ego is happy.

Backstage Trish tries to sooth the hurt with Ashley and serial stalker Mickie James. The 3 makeup and once the action starts... ( mmm Candace...thou art very HOT...HOT INDEED!! ) Mickie wigs out on Ashley again and costs them the match. James gets angry as Trish takes up for Ashley.

RAW airs yet another New Rob Van Dam promo. One where Rob's ECW's comments are heard . Great package and I hope they don't waste Rob and make his comeback mean something. Carlito in ring has seen the promo and talks about what he did to Rob and shows the clips. Fans start a huge RVD Chant as Carlito tells em..no one can toss him over come Royal Rumble time.

Kane comes down and pretty much thumps Carlito pretty well . Stuffing the apple in his mouth and tossin him made me laugh.

Speaking of laughs....Vince is so intent on making out with Candace that he drops his paints in front of Mama Benjimen! She pulls out some money to stuff in his underwear which makes me laugh really good. Mama is funny....as she wants Benjimen to have a match and hits on Vince. Maybe she'll stay around as a charactor if Shelton does get the hook.

Mama is pretty shocked when its Big Show as the mystery guy for Benjimen. Mama nearly backs down afraid. Yep...the match is ok but theres really little heat in it except for Mama who is pretty damn funny. Vidale is a great comedic actress and this was a smart hire. Near the end HHH shows up as we see the HHH/Big Show fued continueing. I'm betting Big Show will cost HHH the Royal Rumble since he helped Show lose to Benjimen by countout.

The Main Event starts and you can see the heat for Ric Flair to win in Charlotte. The kids are there and by god..Edge is just evil. He busts Ric open as the evil s.o.b he is and then puts Ric thru the table as a "Holy Sh-t" chant starts. Flair's daughter Ashley cries for her dad as a bloodied , beaten Ric lies there.......sweet christ.

Dear Lord....superplex from the ladder on Hardcore Ric Flair. Terry Funk ya think you can do hardcore as an old man. Look at Ric baby. drenched in his own blood makin Edge work for it.

Ric puts Edge thru a table outside the ring!! He's climbling....Lita saves the title!! In ECW booking Edge gets saved by his woman as Ric slaps on a figure four on her! But Ric takes to long to climb the ladder again and Edge...beats him.

What a damn match. It could have swung eithor way and both Edge and Flair should get props for making it a great Main Event! The 2 worked well togethor and fans were pissed when Edge retained over thier hero Flair. To futhor sell his heelness , he uses his spear on Flair and goes to take him out as fans chant for John Cena to save Ric. He does as fans erupt and the 2 are destined to go to War at the Royal Rumble.




The Bad: Jesus....what is Johnny Ace's facination with Chris Masters ? Its getting so bad that you have to wonder if he thinks watching Masters put a move on and call it a Challenge after months of no one caring is working. Its clear it hasn't and most think the move is beyond a stupied joke at this point.

But its fun to watch this joke become so beyond stupied. Its like watching Bradshaw as Champ. At a certain point it all becomes some sorta comedic joke on the company which they don't wanna admit they did.



Overall: **** outta 5. 2 Good matches and a Main Event that freakin smoked. Flair goes Hardcore and bleeds a bucket but pushes Edge to his limits. Great match and great way to build heel heat for the new R Rated Superstar ! :D

[sgt.candy]

tonight was 10 years since i started watching

[David O Burcham]

On Shelton and Mama Benjamin:

When a gimmick marks out both Lawler and Styles (who, combined, have seen just about EVERYTHING), then the WWE could be on to something really special.

Lawler's line of the night, "She must be Tina Turner's sister, Stomach."

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Once again, you're giving Edge way too much credit. It comes down to the fact that fans like Cena more than Edge. He's not getting Cena more over because Cena was more over than Edge to begin with. If not for the Hardy fued, Edge would be just another heel right now. You gotta love the fact that Angle is SO GOOD that the fans had no choice but to cheer him again. Basically the same thing they've been doing since October. So it's becoming routine now. And it's funny how Edge brings up the highest rating in the last two years which was ironically brought about by the Rock's return in Aug '04.

It was sad to see Angle outwork Michaels yet again and lose the non title rubber match. Almost disgusting when you think about it too long. But all is well as long as Angle is champion and probably turning face in the process.

Oh yeah..Mickie was ON FIRE tonight. Loved her acting and her manipulation game. How can Trish hate someone who loves her so much? That's the question that's gonna have to be answered by Royal Rumble or WM. But Candice? WOW...I love that girl. She's great, she's brunette, and quite frankly, she just rules. Candice! Candice! Candice!

Carlito alludes to the coming RVD return and probably a feud that leads to WM between the two. Decent promo. Kane coming out was just filler.

Benjamin and his mother get the drop on Vince and make the best of the siutation. Shelton outworks Big Show for a few minutes as HHH comes out nowhere and continues his feud with Show for no reason. The Benjamin winning streak continues.

I do agree completely with the Masters comments though. He SUCKS beyond human belief and yet he's on Raw while someone as over as Chavo Guerrero isn't? Pitiful isn't the word, folks. Raw gets a 8/10 for Mama Benjamin, Candice, Trish, Mickie, Shelton, RVD/Carlito in the works, and Angle/Michaels.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Once again, you're giving Edge way too much credit. It comes down to the fact that fans like Cena more than Edge. He's not getting Cena more over because Cena was more over than Edge to begin with. If not for the Hardy fued, Edge would be just another heel right now. .


Edge didn't need Matt Hardy or the fued. He was waiting and his fued with Kane was happening over Lita. The WWE just listened to the fans in attendance and brought Matt Hardy back.

But Edge really didn't need Matt. The company finally brought him back after months. The booking was going the way it was and Edge was gonna be WWE Champion at some point.

Cena needed someone to get him over as a face again. To put fan support squarely behind him. Edge is slowly doing it.

[Ray192]

Great TLC match.... but horrible ending. A punch? Jesus. And that spear looked awful. Why the hell is Edge even using the running hug of doom as a finisher anyways? It's just as bad as the FU.

[marshal99]

Monty Brown's "the pounce" is even worse or Jeff Jarrett's faceplant of doom "the stroke".

Edge should do his modified figure four submission hold "edgecutor" more often as his finisher. That looks more credible.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Monty Brown's "the pounce" is even worse or Jeff Jarrett's faceplant of doom "the stroke".

Edge should do his modified figure four submission hold "edgecutor" more often as his finisher. That looks more credible.


I'd hate to be a wrestler and be told " Ok Richard , we need ya to job to the Pounce! "

I'd be like...dude you have to develope something thats a realistic finisher. Like a running power slam or a powerbomb . Hell...a DDT even! But come on...you running into me ?

[torippu]

I only caught the second hour of RAW this week, but you gotta love it that the WWE used all of the TLC highlights that included Edge taking it to Matt Hardy & The Dudley Boyz to build up their new champion (while sticking it to TNA). Did Edge & Christian ever feud? Should we expect those highlights next week?

[marshal99]

Oh yes , Edge and Christian did feud , it was soon after Edge won the king of the ring 2001. Christian got jealous over Edge's king of the ring trophy and carries it around like it's his own and soon turned on Edge during a tag match and then they feud over Edge's intercontinental title which christian won and then lost back to Edge.

[Taskmaster]

Edge beating Ric Flair? Thats WAKKIE NU NU!

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The above joke will only make sense for those of you in Central Florida

[clayholio]

The TLC match was much better than I thought it would be. Also, it never hurts to have a family member ringside screaming throughout the match with concern about her father. The build to the end was good, but the punch was pretty anticlimatic.

As much as I want to hate Shelton's mama, I busted up when she told him to just do his best against the Big Show. Good stuff.

Angle vs. HBK is always a good way to fill TV time. Too bad this is probably the last match between 'em for a while.

[Super Sonic]

Sorry all I heard was "I love Edge, Edge rules, bkah, bkah, blah".

I kid, I kid, a little.

Anywayz I have to wait 'till Wednesday or Thursday to see it. =(

[BoosterBronze]

I'd be like...dude you have to develope something thats a realistic finisher. Like a running power slam or a powerbomb . Hell...a DDT even! But come on...you running into me ?

Ever play football bro? The Pounce (also Goldberg's, but not Edge's, Spear) looks like it would knock the Jesus out of you.

On the other hand, since about 1/3 of all moves involve a guy being slammed onto his back, I'm not sure why certain slams (the FU, the Angle Slam) are supposed to hurt more.

[JohnPopa]

No, The Pounce looks like a spear where the other guy is out of position. At least a spear looks like it hurts. The Pounce looks like a blown spot.

[marshal99]

Ever play football bro? The Pounce (also Goldberg's, but not Edge's, Spear) looks like it would knock the Jesus out of you.


If you seen Monty Brown execution of his pounce recently , it is very sloppy and not to mention , some of the times , it's just Monty pushing/shoving the guy down , at least Ultimate Warrior's flying shoulder tackle connects.

[Forefinger]

If you seen Monty Brown execution of his pounce recently , it is very sloppy and not to mention , some of the times , it's just Monty pushing/shoving the guy down , at least Ultimate Warrior's flying shoulder tackle connects.
I agree. The first couple of times I saw it, I was like "Damn, that probably hurt!" But he was just doing it to jobbers then and TNA probably didn't give a shit if he really hurt them or not. I'm sure that's why he's had to tone it down for the real TNA wrasslers.

[Donald Stone]

I think the Pounce is a crappy finisher. Now, if he used it to set up a real finisher ala Goldberg's Spear -> Jackhammer, then it wouldn't be so bad, but it just seems lame for a guy to be knocked out by a running shove.

But then, TNA has a lot of finishers I don't care for. Styles Clash? Naw. The Stroke? Naw. Now, the Muscle Buster looks cool, but I don't think Joe needs the choke afterwards. And the Canadian Destroyer has enough of a 'Holy Shit' factor that you can overlook how fake it is.

[Forefinger]

I think the Pounce is a crappy finisher. Now, if he used it to set up a real finisher ala Goldberg's Spear -> Jackhammer, then it wouldn't be so bad, but it just seems lame for a guy to be knocked out by a running shove.

But then, TNA has a lot of finishers I don't care for. Styles Clash? Naw. The Stroke? Naw. Now, the Muscle Buster looks cool, but I don't think Joe needs the choke afterwards. And the Canadian Destroyer has enough of a 'Holy Shit' factor that you can overlook how fake it is.
I hate the Styles clash as well. The guy is just so damn awesome...how can he have a bad finisher? I guess that Joe keeps the choke in there so he can be "The Samoan Submission Machine".

[The Son of Arzonist]

The Canadien Destroyer is friggin awesome. And so is Christians finisher, when its sold right.

[Forefinger]

The Canadien Destroyer is friggin awesome. And so is Christians finisher, when its sold right.
I always go "Oh shit" when I see the destroyer. Also, the Unprettier looks like it would friggin hurt!

[sgt.candy]

the best is that slam samoa joe does. i dont even know what its called but he folds you and slams you

[Legato]

the best is that slam samoa joe does. i dont even know what its called but he folds you and slams you

I think the move you are talking about is the Muscle Buster.

I must admit Flair gave it his best in that TLC match. At first I thought Edge was going to carry Ric through that match but once again Ric proved to me that he can still go, wrestling wise.


I dont see any chance in hell of this happening but, with Edge winning the championship and New Years Revolution and Kurt winning one at Smackdown, I hope WWE pulls another shocker by having Rob Van Dam win the Royal Rumble Match.

IMO Hogan's Leg Drop is just as lame as The Pounce or The Stroke.

[The Son of Arzonist]

Yeah, Hogans leg drop is right up there with the People's Elbow in lameness. Booker T's Bookend is lame due to being a blatant ripoff of the Rock Bottom. And I think Steve Austin's Stunner should get a lame nod when he stunned Linda McMahon on the Raw homecoming.

[Legato]

Now if you want to talk about lame submission moves the The Masterlock gets the tops spot for that.

[JohnPopa]

Yeah, Hogans leg drop is right up there with the People's Elbow in lameness. Booker T's Bookend is lame due to being a blatant ripoff of the Rock Bottom. And I think Steve Austin's Stunner should get a lame nod when he stunned Linda McMahon on the Raw homecoming.

Well, people were doing 'rock bottom's in Japan (where it's called a uranage) for years before The Rock started doing it.

[Leslie Lee III]

Ever play football bro? The Pounce (also Goldberg's, but not Edge's, Spear) looks like it would knock the Jesus out of you.

If you were built like a girl. Otherwise it's just a tackle, something guys get up from immediately the vast majority of the time, and it usually looks like garbage too.

[Legato]

Well, people were doing 'rock bottom's in Japan (where it's called a uranage) for years before The Rock started doing it.

Isn't thare any cool wrestling moves that america hasn't stolen from Japan or Mexico?

[sgt.candy]

I think the move you are talking about is the Muscle Buster.

I must admit Flair gave it his best in that TLC match. At first I thought Edge was going to carry Ric through that match but once again Ric proved to me that he can still go, wrestling wise.


I dont see any chance in hell of this happening but, with Edge winning the championship and New Years Revolution and Kurt winning one at Smackdown, I hope WWE pulls another shocker by having Rob Van Dam win the Royal Rumble Match.

IMO Hogan's Leg Drop is just as lame as The Pounce or The Stroke.looks painful as hell. like low ki's stomp off the ring post or super dragons curb stomp

[Pól Rua]

Now if you want to talk about lame submission moves the The Masterlock gets the tops spot for that.

No way. I give the full nelson full regard.
I just thing Masters eats poop for a living.

[handOFfate]

The only wrestler who ever did a spear justice was Goldberg. It just doesn't work for Edge. And the only time I ever saw the Pounce I laughed. I honestly thought it was comedy relief.
I can't stand Master's full nelson being called "The Masterlock". Call it for what it is. Also, its an unrealistic finisher due to the fact that you can just fall down to break it.
Carlito and Cena also have lousy finishers. Hogan's legdrop and Rock's Rock Bottom are classics despite the fact they suck. I've always liked the Stunner because it could be hit out of nowhere.
Good finishers: Christian's Unprettier, Benoit's Crossface, Dudley's 3-D, Taker's tombstone, and whatever you call that thing Ken Kennedy does. Those finishers look like they could knock you out.

[JohnPopa]

Isn't thare any cool wrestling moves that america hasn't stolen from Japan or Mexico?

No. Because Mexican and Japanese wrestling is more cutting edge.

I think the last move to be innovated by an American was the superplex in the 70's by either Bob Orton or Scott Irwin, depending on who's saying they saw it first.

[marshal99]

Now if you want to talk about lame submission moves the The Masterlock gets the tops spot for that.

I'm sure you ever had a bodybuilder type guy put that move on you . Chris Master "Masterlock" is as good as any submission move around , if you look at the reaction of the wrestlers he put it in , both John Cena & Kurt Angle went red in the face the moment Masters put it on them , it really does seemed like a heapload of pressure were being build up as their faces went all red.

Look at Benoit's crippler crossface , many times i have seen , the wrestlers being put in the crossover doesn't even have their left arm properly locked by the legs so it looked unrealistic.

[titanfan]

Agree on the Masterlock. It's one of the few "real life finishers" out there. The problem with the full nelson is that other wrestlers have broken out of it so easily, that in the "wrestling world" it's lost credibility. But in real life, if someone as strong as Chris Masters got you in it (and applied pressure), you could be crippled for life.

I never really saw Hogan's Leg Drop really as a "finisher", as it is a signature ending move. Most of the times, his "offense" already wiped his opponents out, he just adds the leg drop for flare.

Does Carlito have a real finisher? He's doing the knees to the back thing now, but he seems to always change it every few months.

Christian's Unprettier does look painful when he lands it, but sometimes it takes forever to set up.

[marshal99]

Agree on the Masterlock. It's one of the few "real life finishers" out there. The problem with the full nelson is that other wrestlers have broken out of it so easily, that in the "wrestling world" it's lost credibility. But in real life, if someone as strong as Chris Masters got you in it (and applied pressure), you could be crippled for life.

I never really saw Hogan's Leg Drop really as a "finisher", as it is a signature ending move. Most of the times, his "offense" already wiped his opponents out, he just adds the leg drop for flare.

Does Carlito have a real finisher? He's doing the knees to the back thing now, but he seems to always change it every few months.

Christian's Unprettier does look painful when he lands it, but sometimes it takes forever to set up.

I think so far, the only 2 that have really slip out of "the Masterlock" before it could be applied properly are Angle & Chavo. They slipped out from beneath before Masters could apply it properly so it doesn't looked that weak.

Carlito have that "roll of the dice" finisher now , similiar to Rob Conway.

Christian unprettier is stupid because of the long setup.

[Convoy]

I think so far, the only 2 that have really slip out of "the Masterlock" before it could be applied properly are Angle & Chavo. They slipped out from beneath before Masters could apply it properly so it doesn't looked that weak.

Carlito have that "roll of the dice" finisher now , similiar to Rob Conway.

Christian unprettier is stupid because of the long setup.

Didn't Lashley "block" the Masterlock before he could fully apply it?

[marshal99]

Didn't Lashley "block" the Masterlock before he could fully apply it?
In the survivor series , yeah. A test of strength. With Lashley , it looks credible , heck - he even tried to do the dominator on Big show.

[Convoy]

Too bad they made him look really bad against Mark Henry in the battle royal last week.

[marshal99]

guess they still want to push Henry as "the world's strongest man".

[Scorpion13]

Too bad they made him look really bad against Mark Henry in the battle royal last week.


Really. Mark isnt a wimpy little guy, but no way is chubsy-ubsy overpowering Lashley.

When are they gonna put that guy in a real feud? Having him in handicap squashes isnt gonna develop him.

[marshal99]

Really. Mark isnt a wimpy little guy, but no way is chubsy-ubsy overpowering Lashley.


Eh , Mark Henry is a legit olympic powerlifter who actually took time off from wrestling in 2002 to win a "world's strongest man" competition. He definitely can overpower Lashley.

[Howard Allan]

There is only 1 legit world's strongest man competition and mark henry never won it. You are the legit world's strongest man if you win it and he's never been in it let alone in the finals. I've been watching them for 30 years and I've never seen him in the finals.

[marshal99]

There is only 1 legit world's strongest man competition and mark henry never won it. You are the legit world's strongest man if you win it and he's never been in it let alone in the finals. I've been watching them for 30 years and I've never seen him in the finals.

He did won a world's strongest competition in 2002 , legit or not, his rivals are all still super strong. Check out his competitors..

http://users3.ev1.net/~beckfish/2002%20Competitors.htm

They actually did a storyline following that win with the other WWE wrestlers betting Henry to lift up a car and such and then Henry got into a feud with Test later because of the bet.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

Agree on the Masterlock. It's one of the few "real life finishers" out there.



no, if it was truly effective people would utilize it in mma and in all the years i've been watching mma i've never even seen somebody attempt it. the only person this move could finish is ones own little brother. rear naked,guillatine, triangle, arm chokes, neck cranks, armbars, kimuras, knee bars, toe holds, ankle locks, those are all effective finishers.......full nelsons, no.

[marshal99]

no, if it was truly effective people would utilize it in mma and in all the years i've been watching mma i've never even seen somebody attempt it. the only person this move could finish is ones own little brother. rear naked,guillatine, triangle, arm chokes, neck cranks, armbars, kimuras, knee bars, toe holds, ankle locks, those are all effective finishers.......full nelsons, no.

It's not practical to use in MMA. To apply that full nelson in MMA , you would need to extent your arm around your opponent leaving it wide open for your opponent to use an armbar or some other hold.

Still , some people also claimed that the ankle lock is useless and weak , blah blah. If you are locked in the full nelson properly , it's not that easy to get out as people seemed to think it can unless the guy being applied to is a skinny punkass.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

It's not practical to use in MMA. To apply that full nelson in MMA , you would need to extent your arm around your opponent leaving it wide open for your opponent to use an armbar or some other hold.

Still , some people also claimed that the ankle lock is useless and weak , blah blah. If you are locked in the full nelson properly , it's not that easy to get out as people seemed to think it can unless the guy being applied to is a skinny punkass.

maybe not easy to get out but you could definately sit there in full nelson for a very long time w/o passing out or submitting.

[marshal99]

maybe not easy to get out but you could definately sit there in full nelson for a very long time w/o passing out or submitting.

Ah , i wouldn't know about that since i never had the misfortune of having a bodybuilder type applying it on me.
If you ask me , the crippler crossover is just as poor. It's all in the art of selling. WWE is not real , it's up to the other wrestlers to sell it and so far, they have sold it very very well. You just have to look at John Cena or Kurt Angle or Ric Flair to see that , they sold the Masterlock like gold and their faces all got red and they are straining like crazy.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

Ah , i wouldn't know about that since i never had the fortune of having a bodybuilder type applying it on me.
If you ask me , the crippler crossover is just as poor. It's all in the art of selling. WWE is not real , it's up to the other wrestlers to sell it and so far, they have sold it very very well. You just have to look at John Cena or Kurt Angle or Ric Flair to see that , they sold the Masterlock like gold and their faces all got red and they are straining like crazy.

ok, well then why not start using a regular headlock as a finisher?? i'm sure flair and angle and cena could all sell it quite well. as far as a body builder type applying it on you, it wouldn't be applied on you or me because we're not wrestlers, my point being the hold is put on other wrestlers most of whom are atleast with in 40lbs of masters. now do you think a guy with in 40lbs of your weight could put you out with a full nelson?? like you said it's not real so why not be a little creative?? if he applied the masterlock from the camel clutch position it would look 20x better. either way i don't think masters is as bad as people make him out to be, and i don't have any big problem with the masterlock(just think it's a little lacking on the creative end), but it's not a "real life finisher".

[Howard Allan]

He did won a world's strongest competition in 2002 , legit or not, his rivals are all still super strong. Check out his competitors..

http://users3.ev1.net/~beckfish/2002%20Competitors.htm

They actually did a storyline following that win with the other WWE wrestlers betting Henry to lift up a car and such and then Henry got into a feud with Test later because of the bet.

That is a different strongman competition altogether. It's not the world's strongest man competition. Please don't go calling one thing the other. Look at the title. It tells you that it's the strength summit. It's not the world's strongest man and most of the references made about world's strongest man are about the ESPN version which isn't even the legit version. Bergmanis and Karlson are still A list strongmen. Phillipi can still make it into the finals if he has a great competition. The rest are b listers or c listers at best.

[StrawNilla]

Yeah, Hogans leg drop is right up there with the People's Elbow in lameness. Booker T's Bookend is lame due to being a blatant ripoff of the Rock Bottom. And I think Steve Austin's Stunner should get a lame nod when he stunned Linda McMahon on the Raw homecoming.
But none can match the lameness of Scotty 2 Hotty's "The Worm."

Seriously, forget finishers, The Worm is simply the lamest move I've ever seen. That, and the left hook Mark Jindrak used for a finisher during his short run in the WWE.

[Phrozen]

Carlito uses a swinging neckbreaker type deal. The knees on the back move is a lung buster.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

The WWE has pretty much confirmed the signing of Oleg Prudious. Oleg visted the WWE months ago with Jerry Jarrett and the trip pissed everyone off backstage at TNA for Jarrett doing this.

The WWE is in talks with Madison Square Garden to hold a card there in July. The last time the WWE ran MSG was on 4/18/05 .


More details have emerged on the release of Heidenreich . It appears John had an ear injury and spent a few weeks at home to get iot worked on. The WWE called him back to report to work and he flew home. Its being said he'll deal with his family issues and could pretty much return. The WWE has plans to repackage Animal as a singles star. ( Thats when you have a Bro in V.P of Talent people.)

WWE officials Dean Malenko and Johnny Ace were at OVW elvuating talent. The result will more than likely be more guys pushed who look like Chris Masters .

TNA has signed Jay Lethal to a contract. The WWE was interested but TNA out scored them in getting Lethal.

There is no plans to use Sean Waltman past his appearance at Final Resolution.

The WWE has had Dalip "Giant " Singh start training at Deep South soon. Singh will also be at every TV taping. ( Ohh great this sounds like another big man Vince is gonna go nuts over.)

Norman Smiley was backstage at the TNA Tapings. There is no word if TNA intends to use him more.

Kevin Sorbo has landed the role in the straight to DVD release of " Walking Tall " . The Rock had no interest in doing a sequel and talks about his upcoming film " Spyhunter " at www.ign.com

TNA Impact scored a 0.8 in the same range as usual. Its gonna be interesting to see how it does coming off the PPV debut of Sting and his 1st appearance ever on TNA Impact this week.

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[Erik Lehnsherr]

Great TLC match.... but horrible ending. A punch? Jesus. And that spear looked awful. Why the hell is Edge even using the running hug of doom as a finisher anyways? It's just as bad as the FU.

HAHA! It's funny how people complain about Cena's offense when Edge's is JUST as bad. Horrible spears, horrible punches, and lackluster intensity. He should stick to spot matches for overall effect.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Yeah, Hogans leg drop is right up there with the People's Elbow in lameness. Booker T's Bookend is lame due to being a blatant ripoff of the Rock Bottom. And I think Steve Austin's Stunner should get a lame nod when he stunned Linda McMahon on the Raw homecoming.

WHOA! Let's calm down again..you know damn well the People's Elbow was a heel move the fans demanded to be a finisher. Hell, just go look back at WM XX during Rock's last match and see how the ENTIRE arena count "1..2.." with the referee as he goes for the pin and then they booed HARD when Flair kicked out.

[marshal99]

That is a different strongman competition altogether. It's not the world's strongest man competition. Please don't go calling one thing the other. Look at the title. It tells you that it's the strength summit. It's not the world's strongest man and most of the references made about world's strongest man are about the ESPN version which isn't even the legit version. Bergmanis and Karlson are still A list strongmen. Phillipi can still make it into the finals if he has a great competition. The rest are b listers or c listers at best.

Don't quite understand what you are arguing about , my point was that Mark Henry is a really strong guy , are you going to dispute that ? It's not inconceivable that he can overpower Lashley hence why i said that he is a power lifter who did compete in a strong man competition. Whether or not it is the ESPN version or not is irrelevant because Mark Henry does have great upper body strength. It's his lower torso that is weak - ankle , quad etc.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

WHOA! Let's calm down again..you know damn well the People's Elbow was a heel move the fans demanded to be a finisher. Hell, just go look back at WM XX during Rock's last match and see how the ENTIRE arena count "1..2.." with the referee as he goes for the pin and then they booed HARD when Flair kicked out.


Its still a funny move to a lotta people. Even if the Rock is loved by all..its hard to not see it for what it is. An elbow drop. People just found it funny and liked the Rock enough to except it as a fun move. Like Cena's " 5 Knuckle shuffle" or the " You Can't See Me " . My little cousin can do it so its pretty funny.

[marshal99]

But none can match the lameness of Scotty 2 Hotty's "The Worm."

Seriously, forget finishers, The Worm is simply the lamest move I've ever seen.

The Worm is a gimmick move , much like Booker's Spinerooni ,Cena 5 knuckle shuffle & Rock's people's elbow.
It was funny to see other wrestlers try those moves like Albert & Trish with the worm , Stacey , Big Show & Kane with the spinerooni etc.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Spike TV must have been happy. The 12am repeat of TNA Impact on Monday drew it highest number in quite some time. It nailed down an 0.9 rating off a strong lead in from the UFC which did a 1.7 rating for its night !


How this for wierd occurances. The WWE returns to Saturday Night's Main Event on March 18th at the Cobo Hall in Detriot. On March 17th miles away TNA has thier 1st House Show ! Thats freakin wild...


WWE has sent former WCW/NWA/WWF wrestler Tully Blanchard a legends contract. No word if he's signed or not. Be wild to see Tully after all these years. Last I heard he's gave up the coke.

The WWE has a lot of people challenging them for names they have trademarked. Hasbro is taking them to court over the name " Taboo Tuesay " which is close to thier game " Taboo ". Warner Bros is sueing because of the name Tazz which ya know what name thats for lol. And Team 3-D want thier original names Bubba Rey Dudley & D-Von Dudley.

The Sun recently did an interview with Maria , Torrie Wilson and Candace Michelle.

Torrie Wilson on Billy Kidman : Turned down an offer from TNA to stay at home and sponge off her. ( Ok I added that last part...but come on...lol)

Torrie Wilson on the Lita/Edge angle: She wouldn't have done it. ( Because Torrie believes in classy storylines like her father dying of a heart attack havin sex with Dawn Marie. Or her rubbin her dogs ass in peoples faces.

Torrie on John Cena and why he gets booed: Women cheer him and it pisses the male population off. ( Its his damn album...stop playing it...PLEASE.)

Candace on getting married: She just married a doctor. ( Well there goes those hot dreams. Damnnnnnnn...... :( )

Maria on dating: She's dating CM Punk ( Wow...I'd make a joke that this is the closest Punk will ever get to a callup on the roster...but why bother. )

Maria on pitching an idea to Vince: She just pitched an idea for a segment on RAW called " In the RAW " . ( I think she works best as the ditzy interview babe ...why screw it up ? )


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[Lester C.]

The Huracane is an amazing wrestler with a huge repertoire incredible wrestling moves. It’s always baffled me that the eye of the Hurricane was his finisher. Big Show had the exact same move before coming up with the showstopper.

[Royal]

Tully's a preacher in Texas. I think he was at Eddie's funeral.

I don't think Tully will take the contract.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

The Huracane is an amazing wrestler with a huge repertoire incredible wrestling moves. It’s always baffled me that the eye of the Hurricane was his finisher. Big Show had the exact same move before coming up with the showstopper.


the move was called the "nightmare on helm street" that sugar shane helms(hurricane)used as a pet finisher back in his wcw days, his true finisher was the vertebreaker but he rarely got to use it in the wwe.

the peoples elbow i don't remember it ever being used as a finishing move against anyone who wasn't a total jobroni as the rock would say.

[Melbourne Mew Mew]

the peoples elbow i don't remember it ever being used as a finishing move against anyone who wasn't a total jobroni as the rock would say.

Didn't he use it as a finisher against Hogan at WM 18?

[Erik Lehnsherr]

the move was called the "nightmare on helm street" that sugar shane helms(hurricane)used as a pet finisher back in his wcw days, his true finisher was the vertebreaker but he rarely got to use it in the wwe.

the peoples elbow i don't remember it ever being used as a finishing move against anyone who wasn't a total jobroni as the rock would say.


When he did use it as a "finisher", it was after the opponent was beaten and there was no way they would kick out anyway. Like when he beat HHH and Hogan with it at Backlash '00 and WM 18. HHH got destroyed and Hogan took two straight Rock Bottoms. Why not use the Most Electrifying Move in history to finish them both off? Made sense to me. :D

[SUPERECWFAN1]

WWE RAW scored its second big rating of the week with a high 4.3 ! Thus far Edge's title reign has seen 2 weeks of high Ratings and you have to wonder what the WWE will do since he's gaining as a draw now.

Warrior has changed his last name to...Warrior. So now and forever more he shall be known as Warrior Warrior. Put that on a mailbox.


He's also filed a lawsuit against Vince McMahon , Linda and the WWE as a whole over the Deconstruction of the Ultimate Warrior DVD. Looks like Vince is gonna keep learning tough lesson when it comes to shooting on his former workers in DVD's.

Warrior has been bust as he's also sued Andrew Wright. Wright was hired by Warrior to shoot a very positive documentry DVD about his career and when Wright turned in the finished product it had some negative things involved. Warrior told him he wouldn't be paid and Wright said he would shoot a new documentry on Warrior and make it worse ...much worse unless Warrior coughed up his money. Warrior is sueing Wright for $ 250,000 grand.

The WWE has another Tim White trying to kill himself. This time he tries to electrocute himself. The sad irony is no one from mainstream media are even remotely buying or giving this angle any attention and its dying. Poor Vince....he can't get no attention.

Superstar Billy Grahem is expected to be on CNN's "Showbiz Tonight " for fans of The Superstar!

Orlando Jordan is expected to be repackaged as a bi-sexual. This is not a joke damn it. Its the truth and to waste thier newest diva signee...Trinity will be used as his gf/manager and so will his friend Erik too. UPN has pretty much started coming down hard on the company over its stupiedity and it remains to be seen how fair they take it.

Prediction: Trinity will be the only good thing to come outta the angle and will be on RAW in 6 to 9 months....tops.

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[lboinyamouf4sho]

When he did use it as a "finisher", it was after the opponent was beaten and there was no way they would kick out anyway. Like when he beat HHH and Hogan with it at Backlash '00 and WM 18. HHH got destroyed and Hogan took two straight Rock Bottoms. Why not use the Most Electrifying Move in history to finish them both off? Made sense to me. :D

yeah that's probly why i don't remember it, because the rock bottoms are what i remember the elbow was just to show off and it's especialy appropriate in hogans case.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

edge ratings boost=gimmick matches(most of edges career)and live sex shows.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

i'd like to say i am enjoying mamas boy shelton very much and think he's doing good mic work, and his mama is doing a good job too.

[BigJayStudd]

The guys name is now "Warrior Warrior??????????" The nutcase formerly know has Jim Helliwig gets crazier by the day. I'm waiting for him to claim Vince put toxins in his face paint causing him to blow up 30 seconds into the match. Lawsuit pending.

[marshal99]

Warrior Warrior , the minute the judge sees him for the nutjob that he is , he'll throw his case out. :D

[lboinyamouf4sho]

he should try "warrior warriorson" my nephew is named matin martinez after his dad(why sis, why??)

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Its being hyped that the No Way Out PPV will have Undertaker vs Kurt Angle for the World Title. Its unknown how this impacts the 1# contender match between Mark Henry vs Rey Mysterio Jr this week.

WWE wrestler Matt Cappoteli was backstage at the OVW tapings . Its expected he'll get a biopsy on his brain tumor next week and is in good spirits. Everyone is really impressed at his attitude about it all.

The Adult Video News is reporting that porn star Summer Haze will be at the Royal Rumble PPV. No word if she'll be on TV or not.


It appears MTV has started work on producing a pilot for a New Wrestling Promotion. Yep...ya read that right. MTV will start work on a new promotion and its by the guys who produced the Hardcore Homecoming DVD.

This is a f-cking shock. Now Vince has MTV jumping into the business.

UPN's President has said he intends to renew the WWE Smackdown past this season. Last year there was a shakeup and the cable and networks division split at Viacom and UPN is under huge pressure to keep its ratings with this new arrangement. Hence the fact Smackdown will get its renewal.


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[clayholio]

It appears MTV has started work on producing a pilot for a New Wrestling Promotion. Yep...ya read that right. MTV will start work on a new promotion and its by the guys who produced the Hardcore Homecoming DVD.
PWTorch said that the new promotion has Vampiro, Teddy Hart, Jack Evans, New Jack, Justin Credible, Sean Waltman, and Matt Sydal involved.

Well, more free wrestling on TV can't be a bad thing.

[Wild Card]

PWTorch said that the new promotion has Vampiro, Teddy Hart, Jack Evans, New Jack, Justin Credible, Sean Waltman, and Matt Sydal involved.

Well, more free wrestling on TV can't be a bad thing.
As long as they don't put the belt on X-Punk.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

PWTorch said that the new promotion has Vampiro, Teddy Hart, Jack Evans, New Jack, Justin Credible, Sean Waltman, and Matt Sydal involved.

Well, more free wrestling on TV can't be a bad thing.


I'm really happy for Credible. His career was in the toilet...so I'm happy he got work and more wrestling on TV is never wrong. Now we'll see 3 Promotions again guys. ;)

[lboinyamouf4sho]

I'm really happy for Credible. His career was in the toilet...so I'm happy he got work and more wrestling on TV is never wrong. Now we'll see 3 Promotions again guys. ;)

screw credible, although i enjoy his work he ripped off a socal promoter that's a really cool guy, he runs a nice little promotion called AWS that puts on great cards that run at the frank & sons collectbles, also a great place to buy comics and wrestling merch. for cheap.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

screw credible, although i enjoy his work he ripped off a socal promoter that's a really cool guy, he runs a nice little promotion called AWS that puts on great cards that run at the frank & sons collectbles, also a great place to buy comics and wrestling merch. for cheap.


I have no clue about that man. I do know Credible had really fell to the ground . I've heard rumors he was working in a supermaket stockin shelves at one point.

[Leslie Lee III]

I'm sure this MTV show will be 6 different kinds of suck and be cancelled even if it's good, but if it helps Matt Sydal get more noteriety I'm all for it.

[marshal99]

Looks like a rematch between Shelton Benjamin & HBK is on the cards tomorrow on RAW , should be a great match , will be interesting to see how Mama Benjamin will figure into this. :)

[marshal99]

*oop double post

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Mama Benjamin? It will probably have more to do with Vince getting involved than her. She won't be enough to deter Michaels. But Shelton vs Shawn with no BS for awhile should be a great sight.