The Depowered Mutants Discussion thread (Spoilers)

[The Fury]

So, the 198 Files were Released 2 weeks or so back. That and with all the characters we've seen in comics.. Put them together and it means 1 thing.

Everyone else is depowered.

Now, according to the 198 files, there are still many out there and many that we probably know. The 198 Files was based on socalled Registered mutants or mutants SHIELD know about. But it would be a safe assumption at this time to presume near most other have been depowered.

So this thread is to discuss them. Whether you think depowering them was wrong, whether you think it was a good idea. What their depowering would do to their powers and their life. You could also say who you would have liked to be depowered. There are many mutants that could have died becuase of the loss of their power as seen in X-men: 198.

Some points to start discussion. It appears Fantomex is depowered. His mutantation was EVA, so is EVA dead or what?

Chamber, he was depowered and while I am fine with this, i am not please with the X-men's decision to practically ditch him.

So, talk away.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Agree with you with Chamber. Seems a little odd that they've not kept him the Mansion. Surely the facilities would be better to keep him alive?

[Porcelain]

If Fantomex was depowered wouldn't he be dead what with his nervous system being outside his body and all? I can't see him magicall growing a new one or stuffing it back in. I'm not nuts, EVA was his nervous system right?

[wandering ramble]Has Wanda wiped out the genome for mutants in mutants only, or has she gone that one step further and wiped the possibility of these types of mutation occuring from your average Joe (from whom the majority of mutants are born)?

Technically if you look at if from inside the MU, the mutant population has only been kicked back about a couple of years if that? Basically knocking out most of Morrision's mutant explosion theme and slimming down the pre-existing population, very easy for anyone to push it back up there.[/wandering ramble]

So far the only who's been depowered and that I've really enjoyed reading was Rictor - not least as he's been allowed to be in a main title and had the power loss addressed, whilst simulateniously showing the part of the his character (seperate from his mutation) that made him wind up on an X-team in the first place.

Really is a shame that the heavier hitters didn't get depowered. Think Tre Styles put it best in another thread, about the difference it would have made if the majority of main players had to deal with power losses and whether they'd be forced to train and step aisde for lesser known characters. Doubtless some would still be in the fray but just from a pure character perspective it would have been interesting to read actuall fallout from decimination rather than "Hey look here's the survivors lets stick them all under one roof and kick everybody else out".

[The Fury]

If Fantomex was depowered wouldn't he be dead what with his nervous system being outside his body and all? I can't see him magicall growing a new one or stuffing it back in. I'm not nuts, EVA was his nervous system right?
No you are not nuts. EVA is his nervous system. So yes, he would be dead. The question would be about whether they can survive without each other. But it seems if EVA gets hurt Fantomex does, but if Fantomex gets hurt EVA does not.

Has Wanda wiped out the genome for mutants in mutants only, or has she gone that one step further and wiped the possibility of these types of mutation occuring from your average Joe (from whom the majority of mutants are born)?
According to the HoM: Day After book.

the X-gene has been whiped from the population of Earth. This si where 'No More Mutants' comes into effect.


And like you said, there were too few depowerings of popular characters. Not one of the current X-men lost their powers. (Lorna sure, but that's a confusing matter). It seems more like a wash over. X-men keep eitehr powers while every other mutant doesn't matter.

[Sentinel K]

No you are not nuts. EVA is his nervous system. So yes, he would be dead. The question would be about whether they can survive without each other. But it seems if EVA gets hurt Fantomex does, but if Fantomex gets hurt EVA does not.


Surely now that Fantomex is no longer a mutant, he just has an ordinary nervous system like everyone else?

Or not. :confused:

[The Fury]

Surely now that Fantomex is no longer a mutant, he just has an ordinary nervous system like everyone else?

Or not. :confused:
That is the problem, it is confusing. Take Chamber, by what you said he should have just gained back his chest and mouth. Infact his depowering did do what it was supposed to (as he was only a shell for the power, his internal organs were made real) except the big hole in his chest was a problem.

Fantomex is odd. Either he died from the depowering or it rebuilt his nervous system for him, But what happened to EVA?

[Porcelain]

Even though some physical mutations seem to have remained or rather 'left as is', EVA would be outside his body but with out the x-gene about as sentient as a plank of wood.

I get confused when it comes to the science, a mutant is technically a being with a trait that neither of it's parents share, yet there's a high amount of siblings that are mutants, so I am right in thinking there's something hereditory on the normal side? Yes it's Monday morning, work (albieit I'm escaping it as much as possible) is making me doubt myself. Sort of like with Down Syndrome, where you need 2 carriers to wind up with a Downs kid - though only 1 out of x kids from the same pairing would have Downs. In which case, "No More Mutants" shouldn't be quite so literal as if some mutants survived, it's likely some humans survived without the gene being destroyed.

[Sentinel K]

That is the problem, it is confusing. Take Chamber, by what you said he should have just gained back his chest and mouth. Infact his depowering did do what it was supposed to (as he was only a shell for the power, his internal organs were made real) except the big hole in his chest was a problem.

Fantomex is odd. Either he died from the depowering or it rebuilt his nervous system for him, But what happened to EVA?

Was EVA always external or was it sometimes within Fantomex?
I cant remember. If it was external when Wanda did her woogie, and if Fantomex became normal, then I'm guessing EVA would just cease to exist.

Its damn confusing though. My brain cell hurts.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

The removal of the mutant gene concept confuses me.

Because logic dictates that if the gene itself is removed from existence, it doesn't just stop any MORE mutants from being born to human couples, but logically would mean that those mutants who still have powers WOULDN'T.

If the gene is gone how CAN they have powers? Full stop?

Of course, if it's just been removed from the Human Genome, surely this doesn't stop mutants breeding with each other, and therefore creating more mutants over time. But how about one mutant and one human?

Confused yet?

[The Fury]

Confused yet?
The change wasn't perfect. That is why there are many mutants left, and probably many humans with the X-gene still in them.

But according to HoM: Day After, those people who have lost their power, no longer have the X-gene at all, as in it was removed.

But yes you are right, breeding amungst mutant might create more mutants. Unless they have the exact same powers as their parents.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

But yes you are right, breeding amungst mutant might create more mutants. Unless they have the exact same powers as their parents.

Which is always a lot more logical anyway.

I mean, for example, the sheer diversity in mutation in the Guthrie Clan is something I've always found a little hard to swallow.

If your parent has a certain kind of power it would make sense that if you yourself were to acquire a mutant ability the odds are that it should be the same or at least similar to your father/mother.

Unless of course you've gained a random 'new' mutation, but post House of M this may no longer be possible...

[The Fury]

If your parent has a certain kind of power it would make sense that if you yourself were to acquire a mutant ability the odds are that it should be the same or at least similar to your father/mother.
Oh yeah, that. Okay, if a character has a father or mother with the exact same powers, they are not a mutant.

It is only if their powers are different. Mutation being that, where the offspring has genetic code radically different from the parents.

[Sentinel K]

Oh yeah, that. Okay, if a character has a father or mother with the exact same powers, they are not a mutant.

It is only if their powers are different. Mutation being that, where the offspring has genetic code radically different from the parents.

Technically that's true, but in the eyes of society that means jack-sh*t.

If they see someone with wings (for example) they're gonna think 'MUTANT!'. They're gonna stop to consider what powers the kid's mum and dad had.

As far as society in the MU goes, if your born with a power that set you apart from the majority, you are a mutant.

[Novaya Havoc]

W-why did Scanner have to be depowered? :(

[Blackcat]

W-why did Scanner have to be depowered? :(


Where did you get THAT info? As far as I know her status is unknown so far. If you're referring Wizzard: That's not proven

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Where did you get THAT info? As far as I know her status is unknown so far. If you're referring Wizzard: That's not proven

Unfortunately, until we hear a mutant IS still powered (i.e they're stated as part of the 198) I think it's pretty safe to assume they're depowered, until proven otherwise....

[The Fury]

Where did you get THAT info? As far as I know her status is unknown so far. If you're referring Wizzard: That's not proven
The idea of this thread is that it is a safe assumption that all character so far not listed are depowered. Marvel know every character after all and only 2 so far that are not on the 198 list have powers.

[The Lucky One]

Not directly related to the depowered mutants themselves, but tying into it- The X-Axis raised a good point in their review of The 198 #1, which is basically that the X-Mansion, having been home to hundreds of mutant students before the Decimation (most of whom have been sent packing) should not really look like a refugee camp... they have rooms and all, there's no need for tents. Or as he put it, "Get them some damn beds already."

-D

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I posted on the 198 thread, after reading the 198 Files, that (Co-inciding with the New series?) several Excalibur mutants, from the books original run had been spared, namely Micromax and Kylun.

The only other former member of the team I can think of who might have been effected was Feron. Although I'm not sure he was actually a mutant...

Fury? Anyone?

[The Lucky One]

I'm 99% sure Feron's not a mutant. He's magical, I know that, but I don't think he's a mutant.

-D

[Blackcat]

The idea of this thread is that it is a safe assumption that all character so far not listed are depowered. Marvel know every character after all and only 2 so far that are not on the 198 list have powers.


Eric J. Moreels, ComiX-Fan Owner and Co-Writer of 198 the files stated: Until confirmation is published that a certain character lost their powers on M-Day, I wouldn't assume them depowered.

[The Fury]

Eric J. Moreels, ComiX-Fan Owner and Co-Writer of 198 the files stated: Until confirmation is published that a certain character lost their powers on M-Day, I wouldn't assume them depowered.
Okay. Then the mutant population just depowered by what? 40 people so far then. Nice.

[Beast]

Not directly related to the depowered mutants themselves, but tying into it- The X-Axis raised a good point in their review of The 198 #1, which is basically that the X-Mansion, having been home to hundreds of mutant students before the Decimation (most of whom have been sent packing) should not really look like a refugee camp... they have rooms and all, there's no need for tents. Or as he put it, "Get them some damn beds already."

-D
Some of the people they've brought in arn't exactly the most trustworthy folks. Mammomax, Fever Pitch, Toad, all these guys have attacked the X-Men or various splinter groups over the years. They're not going to just bring them into the main house unless they're sure they can trust them. :)

[Blackcat]

Okay. Then the mutant population just depowered by what? 40 people so far then. Nice.


According to his list there are 60 mutants confirmed de-powered. Yes more than 60 are confirmed still powered, so that doesn't say 90% so far I know. But he says do not assume them to be de-powered if they are not on the 198-list. So unconfirmed is just unconfirmed, a simple fact.

[The Fury]

According to his list there are 60 mutants confirmed de-powered. Yes more than 60 are confirmed still powered, so that doesn't say 90% so far I know. But he says do not assume them to be de-powered if they are not on the 198-list. So unconfirmed is just unconfirmed, a simple fact.
Okay, okay.

But can we for this thread assume they are. Becuase else what was the hwole point of the Decimation anyway?

[The Lucky One]

Some of the people they've brought in arn't exactly the most trustworthy folks. Mammomax, Fever Pitch, Toad, all these guys have attacked the X-Men or various splinter groups over the years. They're not going to just bring them into the main house unless they're sure they can trust them. :)

In that case, shouldn't they be in cells in the basement, not tents in the back yard? I'm not disagreeing with your logic of not trusting all of them, but the back yard is not exactly a secure location. (Particularly when there are still students/minors around, circulating among all the wanted felons.)

-D

[Beast]

Assume that the majority of the nameless and faceless mutants are depowered, given that unless they're named characters noone is going to care anyway. :)

[Beast]

In that case, shouldn't they be in cells in the basement, not tents in the back yard? I'm not disagreeing with your logic of not trusting all of them, but the back yard is not exactly a secure location. (Particularly when there are still students/minors around, circulating among all the wanted felons.)

-D
There's only a small number of cells, I believe we've seen around 6-8 of them. And they're opening up the place as a refugee camp, not a prison. I can see them not wanting to treat one group better than the others, given that they all need to stick together due to this new crisis. So the tent city for the moment is the best option, given they need to get things settled. And it's plenty secure when you have a squad of Sentinels standing around nearby. Not that that is something to be happy about. :)

[Nyssane]

According to his list there are 60 mutants confirmed de-powered. Yes more than 60 are confirmed still powered, so that doesn't say 90% so far I know. But he says do not assume them to be de-powered if they are not on the 198-list. So unconfirmed is just unconfirmed, a simple fact.

He also "confirms" that Phantazia and Neophyte are depowered, which he took directly from the Wizard article, which would make his previous statement unreliable. Thus, half the people on Eric's list I won't think depowered until I see them as such.

[Beast]

He also "confirms" that Phantazia and Neophyte are depowered, which he took directly from the Wizard article, which would make his previous statement unreliable. Thus, half the people on Eric's list I won't think depowered until I see them as such.
He's not going by the Wizard article at all from what I read over there, because it's not been trustworthy with the true depowered characters. Any people on the confirmed list are confirmed via the books or by Marvel. :)

[Nyssane]

He's not going by the Wizard article at all from what I read over there, because it's not been trustworthy with the true depowered characters. Any people on the confirmed list are confirmed via the books or by Marvel. :)

Shh, don't crush my hopes, Beastie. :( Just smile and nod and pretend I'm right.

[The Fury]

Whether a character is depowered or not and whether they will be is beside the point here.

But we can carry on as stated, I'm sure there are many people/fans that are annoyed at a certain charact's depowereding.

Or have views on what might happen if a certain character is depowered. Like my concerns over Fantomex.

[Novaya Havoc]

According to his list there are 60 mutants confirmed de-powered. Yes more than 60 are confirmed still powered, so that doesn't say 90% so far I know. But he says do not assume them to be de-powered if they are not on the 198-list. So unconfirmed is just unconfirmed, a simple fact.

<lol> Yeah. Like... super-underwhelming. "No more mutants," apparently meant "No more (select few) mutants."

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I'm 99% sure Feron's not a mutant. He's magical, I know that, but I don't think he's a mutant.

-D

Oh he had magic, all right. Hell he was intended to be a vessel for the Phoenix Force. But I'm not sure it was ever genuinely explained where his powers came from.

I'm not saying I want him back, just trying to keep tabs on the British characters, now that Excalibur is back.