The Wreslter Who's Accomplished the Most with the Least

[BoosterBronze]

What pro wrestler seems to have had a great career, dispite not being (in your opinion) particuarly great at the job?

My vote goes to the Big Bossman- A never got behind him on the mike, and never was impressed by him in the ring, but he was a major star for fifteen years.

A narrow runner up is Earthquake- Who despite being smaller and less talented than Andre or King Kong Bundy, was able to feud for a year with Hulk Hogan, and then parlayed that into a decade long run at or near the top of the card.

Obviously, those are both open to (lots of) disagreement. Who do you think should have the top spot?

[StoneGold]

I'm thinking Foley. I mean, look at him. No, seriously, look at him. At any point in his career. Did you ever figure he'd be the WWF Champion? A face champion, no less?

[Davideaux]

I was going to say Foley too. Basically he was blessed with a high pain threshold.

[StoneGold]

I was going to say Foley too. Basically he was blessed with a high pain threshold.
He had a little more than that. He also had a certain level of wit and charisma. But not really champion-level, you know? I mean, he's a funny guy. But like a class clown, not like The Rock. Foley vs. Rocky was like Ralph Malph vs. the Fonz, personality-wise.

[Scorpion13]

Dusty Rhodes.

Really, if there ever was a wrestler with a less WWE style body, Ive yet to see him. And his wrestling was, to be honest, mediocre.

Basically, he was able to get massively over all because of his amazing mike skills. And dont let various sites mislead you. Dusty was a monster on the mike in the day.

I was watching the first disk of the Ric Flair Collection, and I was amazed at how good Dusty was in his promos. If you read some columns and such, you get the impression he was blithering idiot, but he was pretty friggin good.

[StoneGold]

Dusty Rhodes.

Really, if there ever was a wrestler with a less WWE style body, Ive yet to see him. And his wrestling was, to be honest, mediocre.

Basically, he was able to get massively over all because of his amazing mike skills. And dont let various sites mislead you. Dusty was a monster on the mike in the day.

I was watching the first disk of the Ric Flair Collection, and I was amazed at how good Dusty was in his promos. If you read some columns and such, you get the impression he was blithering idiot, but he was pretty friggin good.
It also helps that Dusty got big outside of the WWF. And frankly, even when he was in the WWF, the roster wasn't exactly the 0% bodyfat collection it is today. If Dusty had started off in the WWF, he probably wouldn't have been that big, but decades having worked the Southern territories got him over.

[BigJayStudd]

I gotta go with Harley Race. He didn't exactly have the best "tools" as a wrestler, but he was a legit tough guy. He wasn't working with much and he still won 8 NWA World titles. If I was in a bar room brawl, Race is the wrestler I'd want to have my back.

[sgt.candy]

big boss man will rule forever because of summerslam 91

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Jeff Jarrett


Yeah his dad ran a part of the Promotion where he worked. But Jarrett never really got a huge push to beat Lawler in that time and just held the Southern Title. Of anything no one predicted the little Jarrett would make it in the WWF or WCW.

But he did. He lasted in both promotions for years. He was held back at times but he always worked. Jarrett's no mic GOD but he is a good enough wrestler to get by.

Jarrett's done more than anyone could possibly imagine. He created a Promotion that no one gave a chance in hell of making it and he's managed to do funny stuff in TNA. ;)

[StoneGold]

Honestly? Steve Austin. Look at him. Languished in the midcards for years. Not a particularly incredible wrestler. No family connections. Not overly big, at least in the way Vince really likes. As far as I know, no real locker room connections. Hell, until he became the champ, his two biggest accomplishments were bleeding all over the place for Bret, and getting his neck broke for Owen. Thank god for a decent catch phrase, huh?

[Slappy san]

Hulk Hogan

[Gaz]

He had a little more than that. He also had a certain level of wit and charisma. But not really champion-level, you know? I mean, he's a funny guy. But like a class clown, not like The Rock. Foley vs. Rocky was like Ralph Malph vs. the Fonz, personality-wise.
That discounts his ECW, WCW and SMW stuff. He could be damn scary and intense. Plus, it wasn't a lesser humor, just different. Rocky was in your face, smack you in the mouth with the joke, Mick let it sneak up on ya.

[Alex]

How has no one mentioned this guy?
http://austinwm.club.fr/HTLM/Photos/T/The_Ultimate_Warrior/The_Ultimate_Warrior_-_James_Hellwig_21.jpg
the man who brought us the quote
"Queering don't make the world work!"

[clayholio]

I'd pick a guy like Lex Luger (or maybe the Ultimate Warrior) as a guy who achieved a lot with nothing behind it. It's not like Lex had any ability to talk, or that he could put on decent matches. He was simply a bodybuilder who had an atypical amount of muscle, and he got famous because of that. At least the Warrior had some kind of bizarre energy that no one else had that kind of made up for his lack of ability in pretty much everything.

[Alex]

At least the Warrior had some kind of bizarre energy that no one else had that kind of made up for his lack of ability in pretty much everything.
But by the time he got into the ring, his energy was gone.
Especialy his later matches...guh, horrible.

[Scorpion13]

I'd pick a guy like Lex Luger (or maybe the Ultimate Warrior) as a guy who achieved a lot with nothing behind it. It's not like Lex had any ability to talk, or that he could put on decent matches. He was simply a bodybuilder who had an atypical amount of muscle, and he got famous because of that. At least the Warrior had some kind of bizarre energy that no one else had that kind of made up for his lack of ability in pretty much everything.


Gotta disagree with you there, Clay. There was a reason why Lex was called the Total Package.

When he actually tried to work, he was pretty good. Ive seen hi put on great matches with guys like Flair and Sting. The problem is that most of the time he just half-assed it. Add that in with his constant heel/face turns, and the fact that after blowing so many chances at a world title run, almost all of his credibility was destroyed. That and he was kinda crappy on the mike.

[Taskmaster]

Hulk Hogan

Knew it was only a matter of time before this came up and it's totally a crap point, he's a god on the mike, he CAN wrestle well enough to get by, it just that for 90% of his career he didn't have to wrestle technical matches to get over, he's just THAT DAMN GOOD to steal a catch phrase. You think Hogan would've gotten over in Japan like he did if he wrestled half as bad as the haters say

As for me i'd have to go with Warrior, other than the physical look he sucked in the ring, sounded like a mental pantient on the mike and did a good job making everbody in the business hate him, plus he gets extra suck points for the singlet with painted on muscles

[Scorpion13]

Knew it was only a matter of time before this came up and it's totally a crap point, he's a god on the mike, he CAN wrestle well enough to get by, it just that for 90% of his career he didn't have to wrestle technical matches to get over, he's just THAT DAMN GOOD to steal a catch phrase. You think Hogan would've gotten over in Japan like he did if he wrestled half as bad as the haters say

As for me i'd have to go with Warrior, other than the physical look he sucked in the ring, sounded like a mental pantient on the mike and did a good job making everbody in the business hate him, plus he gets extra suck points for the singlet with painted on muscles


And still, he was the guy to get for most of the 90's. I mean, Vince experienced firsthand what that nut was capable of when he burned him in the early ninties, but even then, Vince STILL brought him back. Now THATS making the most of what little you have.

[clayholio]

But by the time he got into the ring, his energy was gone.
Especialy his later matches...guh, horrible.
Well, yeah. But at least he had a cool entrance! And tassles. Tassles are important...

Gotta disagree with you there, Clay. There was a reason why Lex was called the Total Package.
Luger wasn't the worst guy I've ever seen, but I've certainly seen enough of his unmotivated matches to color my opinion of him. I did always like the Torture Rack as a finisher, though.

Hulk Hogan isn't a bad wrestler, he's just more concerned with being a draw than busting out a ton of technical moves. For most people, flippy moves and complicated chain wrestling aren't really what pro wrestling's about. Even if you hate him, watch his match from one of the old Wrestlemanias against the Ultimate Warrior. Something that should have been by all rights a total and complete crapfest was actually a very engaging and interesting match. And I'm not willing to give credit for that to Warrior.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Goldberg is a guy you gotta mention too. He may be the most hated guy on the IWC right now behind Cena but during his push, the fans willingly chose to cheer a guy that was just winning on average shows and pushed him into success.

[Magneto_X]

Ray Mysterio jr.

[StoneGold]

That discounts his ECW, WCW and SMW stuff. He could be damn scary and intense. Plus, it wasn't a lesser humor, just different. Rocky was in your face, smack you in the mouth with the joke, Mick let it sneak up on ya.
No, it doesn't. It's including that. Seriously, if Hogan and Foley had spent any time in a fed together, Cactus would have been beating up Jim Duggan just long enough to get a face full of yellow boot before having an orange ass land on his head. Plain and simple.

[YoungG03]

John Cena....Most of the other guys that made it are at leat charamistic but this guy is such ananomoly. I lneutral on him caus eI think he got tat inderdawg feel but there are betta playas round him.

Im a lil too young for Harly Race so I never GOT him. But the UW, Goldbergs, STONE COLD STEVE AUSTIN, Mankind, Diseals were all fun annd cool guys.

[handOFfate]

I can't include the Ultimate Warrior. You gotta think about the particular period of time when he was popular. Wrestling was still very black and white (in terms of personality) in that day. You were the All-American (Hogan) or the evil cartoonish heel (Ted Dibiase comes to mind). UW was new and exciting; he was so full of energy you thought he would pop a brain vessel. He didn't kiss the fan's asses; he just ran into the ring with that crazed look and beat the crap out of whoever was there. He had an awesome entrance and theme music, too. I think Vince McMahon said it best; he was a cartoon character come to life. Of course, his mic and wrestling skills really sucked, but he was unique enough to have a pretty good run.
I thought about Foley, too. Now there was a guy who truly beat the odds. He has little wrestling or physical ability. He's great on the mic, but not the type of personality to overwhelm you, like a champion should. His likeable personality and ability to take pain. I mean, if not for Hell in the Cell 1998, would he be anywhere near as popular?

[GoGo Yubari]

I was going to say Foley too. Basically he was blessed with a high pain threshold.

Mick Foley, in ECW, gave the greatest promos in the history of wrestling, and he generally shows an intensity and charm in the ring that makes it completely understandable both that he would end up World Champion and that his reigns wouldn't last long at all.

I mean, Christ, this is the guy who made Randy Orton of all people a star. I've always felt that it's ridiculous to sell him short.

[nervmeister]

Brock Lesnar.

[Scorpion13]

Brock Lesnar.


Brock Lesnar?

1. The man is enormous and in great shape.

2. He has a large repetoir of moves, much more than your average WWE Power Wrestler and can do a shooting star press

Brock has had all the breaks.

[BigJayStudd]

Brock Lesnar?

1. The man is enormous and in great shape.

2. He has a large repetoir of moves, much more than your average WWE Power Wrestler and can do a shooting star press

Brock has had all the breaks.

Not to mention he has quite the amateur background.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

Goldberg is a guy you gotta mention too. He may be the most hated guy on the IWC right now behind Cena but during his push, the fans willingly chose to cheer a guy that was just winning on average shows and pushed him into success.


goldberg had both size and athletic ability to begin with.

i'm gonna say king kong bundy, all he had was fat and he made it work.

[Scorpion13]

goldberg had both size and athletic ability to begin with.

i'm gonna say king kong bundy, all he had was fat and he made it work.


Yeah. He wasnt that good of a worker (just basic slams and power/heel stuff) and he even wasnt that fat or big (guys like Kamala and Haystacks Calhoun were bigger and fatter), but he was able to take what he had and became a semi-legend with it.

[tricksterpup]

Jeff Jarrett


Yeah his dad ran a part of the Promotion where he worked. But Jarrett never really got a huge push to beat Lawler in that time and just held the Southern Title. Of anything no one predicted the little Jarrett would make it in the WWF or WCW.

But he did. He lasted in both promotions for years. He was held back at times but he always worked. Jarrett's no mic GOD but he is a good enough wrestler to get by.

Jarrett's done more than anyone could possibly imagine. He created a Promotion that no one gave a chance in hell of making it and he's managed to do funny stuff in TNA. ;)
Yes but I am sooooo tired of the damn Guitar its not even funny any more. He is one guy I have never liked in the ring, he may do good things behind the scenes but get him outta there.

[StoneGold]

Little Spike Dudley. Just because who figured he would make it at all.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

goldberg had both size and athletic ability to begin with.

i'm gonna say king kong bundy, all he had was fat and he made it work.

During his WCW run, Goldberg had 4 moves at most and was booked as unbeatable. There was nothing athletic about his rise. Just a smart push and fans falling for it.

As for Mick Foley? If not for Taker throwing him off the cage in '98 and his skits with the Rock during the Rock and Sock Connection, I don't think fans would even mention Foley these days.

[tricksterpup]

During his WCW run, Goldberg had 4 moves at most and was booked as unbeatable. There was nothing athletic about his rise. Just a smart push and fans falling for it.

As for Mick Foley? If not for Taker throwing him off the cage in '98 and his skits with the Rock during the Rock and Sock Connection, I don't think fans would even mention Foley these days.
I love Mick Foley.. he's my idol.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d3/Mick_foley.jpg

[Scorpion13]

During his WCW run, Goldberg had 4 moves at most and was booked as unbeatable. There was nothing athletic about his rise. Just a smart push and fans falling for it.

As for Mick Foley? If not for Taker throwing him off the cage in '98 and his skits with the Rock during the Rock and Sock Connection, I don't think fans would even mention Foley these days.


What 4 moves are those? I remember him having a rather varied moveset. The standard power moves, and alot of shoot-style locks...I dont think I fell for anything.

[StoneGold]

What 4 moves are those? I remember him having a rather varied moveset. The standard power moves, and alot of shoot-style locks...I dont think I fell for anything.
He'd only have about a half dozen moves at any given time. But he'd sub in certain moves that he'd never do again.

[Dennis K]

http://www.hollywoodcollectibles.com/images/products/Boxing/kevin_nash_8x10.jpg

[Scorpion13]

He'd only have about a half dozen moves at any given time. But he'd sub in certain moves that he'd never do again.


Hey, more moves than Jarett or JBL. :D

[Scorpion13]

http://www.hollywoodcollectibles.com/images/products/Boxing/kevin_nash_8x10.jpg


Another guy who would only put on a good match if he liked you. If not, punch, kick, slam, big boot, powerbomb, g'bye.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

What 4 moves are those? I remember him having a rather varied moveset. The standard power moves, and alot of shoot-style locks...I dont think I fell for anything.


He mostly did forearm shots, the spear, press slam into a spinebuster, clothesline, leg grapples that led to nothing, and the jackhammer. That was pretty all he did for his run.

[tricksterpup]

oh yeah, we keep on forgetting this monkey.. Chris Masters, I have no understanding why this guy is getting this huge push.

http://www.wwe.com/content/media/images/Superstars/29272/masters_action.jpg

[SUPERECWFAN1]

oh yeah, we keep on forgetting this monkey.. Chris Masters, I have no understanding why this guy is getting this huge push.

http://www.wwe.com/content/media/images/Superstars/29272/masters_action.jpg

Pushed cleary because he's a big muscle guy. The type Johnny Ace has signed for months. ;)

[Taltos]

Hulk Hogan
Holy crap Yes! I have no idea how he did it.

[David O Burcham]

I'll second Dusty Rhodes. Even considering the time period he was from (70's-80's), he shouldn't have been as sucessful as he was. Yet, other than Andre the Giant, promotions would make major bank with just the name "Rhodes" on the marquee. Fat, slow, out of shape, limted move set(which he admitted all the time in his promos)... yet the man could talk thousands of people to the arena; and, when he got them there, held them in the palm of his hand for each and every movement in the ring. People talk about "the Dusty Finish" (matches booked so that neither guy loses any heat) and how horrible it was. Yet, he was able to book stories and angles in Florida and Mid-Atlantic that kept fans buying tickets even when he wasn't around as a wrestler. people site "Bunkhouse Stampede" as the worst pay-per-view and gimmick match in creation, yet they chose to ignore that Dusty created the greatest gimmick match ever devised, War Games.

Dusty shouldn't have been anything more than the second half of "Dick Murdoch and...", but the personal connection that the fans made with him is what made "Stardust" one of the true greats.

[marshal99]

Another guy who would only put on a good match if he liked you. If not, punch, kick, slam, big boot, powerbomb, g'bye.

Substitube Big boot and powerbomb for Stone cold stunner and you have Stone cold steve Austin. I'm sure he has other moves in his arsenal but the usual stomp , punch , kick , stomp , punch , kick followed by Stunner is the most commonly used for Stone Cold. The only time that i recall he tries to actually wrestle was against Benoit and Bret Hart.

[David O Burcham]

Substitube Big boot and powerbomb for Stone cold stunner and you have Stone cold steve Austin. I'm sure he has other moves in his arsenal but the usual stomp , punch , kick , stomp , punch , kick followed by Stunner is the most commonly used for Stone Cold. The only time that i recall he tries to actually wrestle was against Benoit and Bret Hart.


To be fair to Austin, he had to limit his moveset after the botched piledriver by Owen Hart. He just wasn't able to do the things he did with Bret Hart and Ricky Steamboat.

[marshal99]

To be fair to Austin, he had to limit his moveset after the botched piledriver by Owen Hart. He just wasn't able to do the things he did with Bret Hart and Ricky Steamboat.

Yes , but he won that title several times with his limited moveset. Stomp punch kick , stomp punch kick , repeat , then finally a stunner.

[Scorpion13]

Another guy who pretty much had the title with nothing but charisma and attitude.

[tricksterpup]

He isn't a Wrestler but what about this monkey.. He went pretty far without having any true talent.


http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/v/vincerusso/03.jpg

[JohnPopa]

Steve Austin was a great worker before injuries took their toll. He had plenty of matches with guys like Steamboat and, no, Steamboat did not 'carry' those matches. Austin was easily in the top handful of workers in the US at the time -- and that was with the least experience of most of the people around him. After injuries he found a way to adjust his work to get the same rise out of audiences even though he had to be careful about the impacts he took (and he was never as careful as he could have or should have been.)

People who only know of Steve Austin post-1998 really should take some time and learn about what he did before he became Stone Cold. Anyone who knew their business knew he was going to be a mega-star, as he was a charismatic, excellent worker from day one.

[Alex]

Not when he was...well, smaller, because the could wrestle then, but when he became this
http://idata.over-blog.com/0/11/58/06/biographies/scott-steiner.jpg
And vince decided this guy should main event?
God, awful, he got out of breath after 1 minute.

[StoneGold]

Not when he was...well, smaller, because the could wrestle then, but when he became this
http://idata.over-blog.com/0/11/58/06/biographies/scott-steiner.jpg
And vince decided this guy should main event?
God, awful, he got out of breath after 1 minute.
Well, he was main eventing in WCW, so you know how that goes...

[Alex]

I GOT IT!
The ultimate.
A man with no charisma at all, he's usualy just really annoying.
No in ring talent at all, no wrestling training even.
And he became WCW champion.
Who am i speaking of...you guessed it!
David Arquette!

[tricksterpup]

Not when he was...well, smaller, because the could wrestle then, but when he became this
http://idata.over-blog.com/0/11/58/06/biographies/scott-steiner.jpg
And vince decided this guy should main event?
God, awful, he got out of breath after 1 minute.
Yeah, what ever happened to him??? He like vanished off the face of the earth once his contract ended.

[Legato]

The Big Show. He is not a muscled up guy like the rest of the WWE roster nor does he have the wrestling skills or mic work but what he does have going for him is his size.

If Show didn't have that he would have been fired from WWE a long time ago.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

He isn't a Wrestler but what about this monkey.. He went pretty far without having any true talent.


http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/v/vincerusso/03.jpg


Damn him.....all he did was help co-write some of the best moments of the WWF Attitude era! As well as doing the 2003 NWA-TNA/S.E.X storyline. Damn....Its too bad he has no talent.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Not when he was...well, smaller, because the could wrestle then, but when he became this
http://idata.over-blog.com/0/11/58/06/biographies/scott-steiner.jpg
And vince decided this guy should main event?
God, awful, he got out of breath after 1 minute.


To be fair he was booked completely wrong by Vince. In WCW he was a heel and didn't have to work much offense. In the WWF they let him be a face and coming off a back injury and drop foot syndrome wasn't a good idea.

The back injury is a reason he barely works now.

[Legato]

Damn him.....all he did was help co-write some of the best moments of the WWF Attitude era! As well as doing the 2003 NWA-TNA/S.E.X storyline. Damn....Its too bad he has no talent.

Russo is what I would call a one time wonder type of guy. His stuff in the Attitude Era was gold but after that he lost his edge.

[Pól Rua]

Steve Austin was a great worker before injuries took their toll. He had plenty of matches with guys like Steamboat and, no, Steamboat did not 'carry' those matches. Austin was easily in the top handful of workers in the US at the time -- and that was with the least experience of most of the people around him. After injuries he found a way to adjust his work to get the same rise out of audiences even though he had to be careful about the impacts he took (and he was never as careful as he could have or should have been.)

People who only know of Steve Austin post-1998 really should take some time and learn about what he did before he became Stone Cold. Anyone who knew their business knew he was going to be a mega-star, as he was a charismatic, excellent worker from day one.

Seconded. I was never a fan of Stone Cold Steve Austin, but before injuries wore him down, and before he got restricted into the whole 'limited move-set' philosophy that characterises the WWE, Austin was an excellent worker and was phenomenal on the mic.

[Pól Rua]

Not when he was...well, smaller, because the could wrestle then, but when he became this
http://idata.over-blog.com/0/11/58/06/biographies/scott-steiner.jpg
And vince decided this guy should main event?
God, awful, he got out of breath after 1 minute.

Man, I miss the Scott Steiner who used to be an extremely proficient technical wrestler. I miss him SO much.
His main problem in WWE was the fact that he's a cripple who can barely walk much less wrestle. Booking him as a face was a pretty bad idea as well.

[Pól Rua]

The Big Show. He is not a muscled up guy like the rest of the WWE roster nor does he have the wrestling skills or mic work but what he does have going for him is his size.

If Show didn't have that he would have been fired from WWE a long time ago.

I would dispute Show's mic ability. Paul Wight is a funny, funny guy. Unfortunately, when you have someone who's that damn huge, you can't play him as 'the funny guy', you end up playing him as the raging beast or the gentle giant.
Which is unfortunate.
His facial expressions and visual comedy in his angle with Eddie where he got sprayed with poop and fed the dosed burritos were pure gold.

[David O Burcham]

Damn him.....all he did was help co-write some of the best moments of the WWF Attitude era! As well as doing the 2003 NWA-TNA/S.E.X storyline. Damn....Its too bad he has no talent.

I'll give you the Attitude era (under the ultimate supervision of McMahon)... but S.E.X. ????

[Valmore]

I cannot fathom why Albert had such a long career and the amount of insane pushes he had in the WWE. He should have been released long before 2004. But there he was, his ugly, hairy body and not very good wrestling skills and non-existent mic skills up on t.v. And they tried to shove him down your throats, despite nobody really wanting to see him wrestle anywhere past the lower midcard.

[marshal99]

Albert was never really pushed that much ?? He's always been a midcard jobber as far as i can remember , the only time he was remotely pushed was when he got the intercontinental belt which he held for a short while before he lost it to Lance Storm.
He's now wrestling in NJPW as giant bernard if i'm not wrong.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

During his WCW run, Goldberg had 4 moves at most and was booked as unbeatable. There was nothing athletic about his rise. Just a smart push and fans falling for it.



i didn't say anything about his rise. he did have athletic ability and size to begin with though.

[Valmore]

Albert was never really pushed that much ?? He's always been a midcard jobber as far as i can remember , the only time he was remotely pushed was when he got the intercontinental belt which he held for a short while before he lost it to Lance Storm.
He's now wrestling in NJPW as giant bernard if i'm not wrong.

Believe it or not, or at least it seemed that way to me, when Albert was there, they kept trying to turn him into the next big monster. They would try hooking him up with someone - Scotty -2- Hotty, X-Pac, Paul Heyman - and just keep putting him on the screen, despite never getting over. The IC run was their big shot at really trying to force him on us, but no one was buying it. Vince just loves big guys who can't wrestle, even if they are hairy.

In the real world, Albert would have been released soon after Droz had his career-ending injury. In the WWE world... they kept forcing him on us for a few years. If that isn't accomplishing something with nothing, I'm not sure what is.

[marshal99]

Albert has never been booked as a monster , he and Test formed T & A with Trish and was basically a jobber tagteam , they were squashed seperately - 2 big guys in handicap matches against Rock & Triple H and lost whatever credibility they had. He was the backup guy with Justin Credible & X-crap and the comedic fat guy with Scotty 2 Hotty , he was the weakest link in Team Lesnar - he was the only one out of that team to lost to Shannon Moore and subsequently got beaten up by his own team and then got cut off.
I don't really see him as being pushed at all , he never was a top midcard player , never was , never had so i never really mind him. :D

[YoungG03]

I hate him
His look
His character
Everything

Dusty Rhodes has charisma but I onl know him from WWE days. I always figger he was the great wrestler over ther at NWA but some years later I saw that it was Ric.

[StrawNilla]

Holy crap Yes! I have no idea how he did it.
It was the 80's. A wrestler with a larger-than-life personality who wore bright colored clothes and charged down the ramp to the ring to the sound of loud, generic rock had better not have had problems getting over with a crowd.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

i didn't say anything about his rise. he did have athletic ability and size to begin with though.


There are an innumberable amount of wrestlers and wannabes with size. Size only means something to a Vince McMahon. Having the athletic ability of Benjamin, Angle, RVD, Styles, or a Mysterio will get you places LONG term though. Goldberg was the result of a smart push and a Austin type of look.