The Crossing

[jadegiant77]

Can someone explain this to me? I know it was retconned into being a plot by Immortus, but what was the original intention of the storyline(besides ruining Iron Man and Mantis)?

[mattbib]

...besides ruining Iron Man and Mantis...That WAS the original intention of the storyline.

[jadegiant77]

Seriously....

Wasn't it some kinda Crisis knockoff, with "Kang" trying to collapse all the multiverse into a single reality?

[riotgear]

Can someone explain this to me? I know it was retconned into being a plot by Immortus, but what was the original intention of the storyline(besides ruining Iron Man and Mantis)?

The premise was that there was a traitor within the Avengers. Someone who was working with Kang, Mantis, a set of late-teen twin boys (supposed to be Vision & Wanda's boys), and a grown-up Luna and her younger brother (who obviously hasn't been born yet). It was revealed that Tony Stark was made a sleeper agent by Kang (who didn't know that he was murdering people, Marilla, Yellowjacket II, etc.) at sometime towards the beginning of his career as Iron Man, and was now activated. The Avengers couldn't stop him, so as a last-ditch effort, they figured the only person that could stop Tony would be: Tony. So they went into the past and brought a teenaged Tony Stark to the present to stop him.

[Shellhead]

The Avengers couldn't stop him, so as a last-ditch effort, they figured the only person that could stop Tony would be: Tony. So they went into the past and brought a teenaged Tony Stark to the present to stop him.

Speaking on behalf of myself and not my Iron Man avatar, that would be hilarious if my teenage self time-travelled to now to try to stop me from doing anything.

[Sharcque]

The premise was that there was a traitor within the Avengers. Someone who was working with Kang, Mantis, a set of late-teen twin boys (supposed to be Vision & Wanda's boys), and a grown-up Luna and her younger brother (who obviously hasn't been born yet). It was revealed that Tony Stark was made a sleeper agent by Kang (who didn't know that he was murdering people, Marilla, Yellowjacket II, etc.) at sometime towards the beginning of his career as Iron Man, and was now activated. The Avengers couldn't stop him, so as a last-ditch effort, they figured the only person that could stop Tony would be: Tony. So they went into the past and brought a teenaged Tony Stark to the present to stop him.
Yeah --- the logic in that was so idiotic, "Uh, gee, Cap can't stop him, Thor can't stop him, not even all 32 of us together can stop him. What to do?!?! Waitaminnit, what's that? Go back in to the past and get a teenaged version of Tony before he ever became Iron Man to stop the crazed, murderous Iron Man? Genius!!!! Of course it will work!!!"

Some of the worst writing ever.

[Valen]

So......How did they re-age Tony back to where he is now?

[riotgear]

So......How did they re-age Tony back to where he is now?

They didn't... he was teenaged Iron Man until issue #332. Then he went into Onslaught's woogie with the rest of the Avengers and Fantastic Four, where they were thought to be dead. The explanation was that when Franklin preserved him in his blue-ball, they reverted to an "idealized" version of themselves, hence Wasp returning to human form, Clint regaining his hearing, and Tony becoming an adult, with no heart or spinal problems.

[jadegiant77]

Man..what a total cluster f**k of a story! And now the other Avengers are just supposed to pretend he didn't kill anyone? Whateverrrr...

[moebius]

Man..what a total cluster f**k of a story! And now the other Avengers are just supposed to pretend he didn't kill anyone? Whateverrrr...

He didn't...his dead future self under Kang's mind control did.

Considering the Avengers refused to immediately kill Wanda, even after it became clear she was responsible for the deaths of Yellowjacket and Hawkeye, and continue to trust She-Hulk (who killed the Vision in anger) and continued to trust Vision (who attempted to conquer the planet at one point), it seems they have a high capacity for forgiveness.

That doesn't make it any less of a bad story, of course.

[riotgear]

He didn't...his dead future self under Kang's mind control did.

Considering the Avengers refused to immediately kill Wanda, even after it became clear she was responsible for the deaths of Yellowjacket and Hawkeye, and continue to trust She-Hulk (who killed the Vision in anger) and continued to trust Vision (who attempted to conquer the planet at one point), it seems they have a high capacity for forgiveness.

That doesn't make it any less of a bad story, of course.

She was responsible for the deaths of Hawkeye, Vision, and Ant-Man II, not Yellowjacket.

[Mariah]

I actually liked the Crossing. Sure, it wasn't the best story ever, and I didn't care for the ending, but I liked the overall direction the Avengers were heading in at that time. They were even going to come out with a Mighty Avengers title right around that time. I liked how most of the Avengers were getting new costumes at this time also. My favorites were the Scarlet Witch's, Crystal's and Quicksilver's.