Stephen on Gays... No not like that you perverts.

[sirgod]

A few people here kinda know me, But given the Recent threads that I've seen, I don't know, is this normal for here?

Anyway, I just thought It might be the time to give another view from a Fellow Red-Neck, Bible thumping, Okie. Here's the thing, I have no problem with Gays.

about two years ago, My sister lost her child, due to a child Desease. The first person to call me, was a gay friend, who is also very Libral, Hell he works for the Democratic party out there in sunny Cal. HE was there for my sister in a huge way, and It's then that I changed my mind, If my wife and I where able to have more kids, I'd put him in the will in a heartbeat.

If god forbid we where to die, I know He would take care of our kids untill the end of time.

So I'm not really sure what all the hubub here is about gays, anymore then I understand the Hatred for Republicans or christians, But one thing I do know, I look at people as Individuals, and respect them for that.

As for the gays, Sorry not interested, but All my respect, Now I must go back and do a googlesearch for Jessica Biel. ;)

Stephen

[nubly]

so unless i misread your post, you changed your views on homosexuals because a gay male was 'there' for your sister?

[sirgod]

For the better part, yes you are correct Nubly. Of course that'sjust part of the story, see my own Step-son is also gay. Of course I would never stop Caring or Loving him, Because of where he want's to Sleep.

I'm really not trying to start anything, But Instead, Try to get people to respect each other. We don't have to agree with everything, Not by anymeans, But we can Choose not to try and correct or change other's lifestyles.

I'm not sure if that makes sense, But It's just the way I see things.

Stephen

[SUPERECWFAN1]

This thread oddly reminds me of the SNL skit where it has Hammond acting like Arnold Swarzenegger and he was running for Govenor in 2003. It had this speech...


Panelist: " Mr. Swarzenegger as the Govenor of California , what would ya do to imrpove rights for Gays and Lesbians in California ? "

Arnold: " Thats a good question. Well to answer that...Arnold believes in the Gays and the Lesbians and the lubrication and the application of the lubrication. "


Sirgod , I can see what you wanted with this thread. But a lot of us respect each other right now. I haven't seen any instance where someone insulted someone because they were gay on this board.

But I can see what you were going for. That was a nice story by the way. ;)

[sirgod]

Thanks SUPERECWFAN1. Yeah I haven't seen It either here, But some of the posts recently seems to be borderline. I may be completly wrong here with this one, It wouldn't be the first time, trust me, I just see The whole gay thing to be a moot point.

Let them do what they want, as I do what I want with my wife. Life goes on, It's simple, and people remain happy.

Stephen

[Fabian]

And all it took for you to see the error of your ways was your nephew dying. Too bad it didn't really make you more respectful

As for the gays, Sorry not interested, but All my respect, Now I must go back and do a googlesearch for Jessica Biel.
Before anyone else dies for you to learn something, I'll help you out here:

Not everyone who is gay wants you and they don't like being called "the gays"

[Tom]

As for the gays, Sorry not interested, Believe me, no apologies necessary.

[sirgod]

And all it took for you to see the error of your ways was your nephew dying. Too bad it didn't really make you more respectful


Before anyone else dies for you to learn something, I'll help you out here:

Not everyone who is gay wants you and they don't like being called "the gays"

OKay, I obviously made a mistake here. For that I apoligize. It was not only my Nephew Passing away, as It was my Son coming out. However, The biggest mistake I seem to have made here, Is Classifying everyone who is Homesxual... The Gays. Once again, I apoligize for doing so. I meant no harm with that post at all.

Stephen

[Paradox]

sirgod is giving it a shot:

However, The biggest mistake I seem to have made here, Is Classifying everyone who is Homesxual... The Gays.

Well, yeah, that and the seemingly random capitalization :p

Hey, you're in a "changing attitude stage". It comes with new sets of terminology rules. You're learning. And it kind of works out that way because gay isn't a noun. It's an adjective. So saying things like "the Gays" or "a Gay" sounds weird and sounds like you mean something by it. Then there's the "lumping everyone together under one title" thing. But, hey, you seem polite and have incentive to learn so I think you'll probably do all right.

CBR is probably a really good place for you during this change. Lots of gay folks here that especially illustrate that folks who are gay are just...folks. All stripes and varieties of people just like heterosexuals. Being around here is likely to show you that gay folks are just people who happen to like people of their own gender. Otherwise, there's all kinds just like anyone else.

Luck to you, man. There's several people here with gay children that might be able to offer advice if you run into trouble about how to handle something.

[Spike-X]

OKay, I obviously made a mistake here. For that I apoligize. It was not only my Nephew Passing away, as It was my Son coming out. However, The biggest mistake I seem to have made here, Is Classifying everyone who is Homesxual... The Gays. Once again, I apoligize for doing so. I meant no harm with that post at all.

Stephen
Hey, no worries mate. Your heart's in the right place and you're obviously making an effort. Can't ask more than that.

[Trystenn]

Not everyone who is gay wants you and they don't like being called "the gays"
There is a knee slapper right there!!!

[tangentman]

C'mon, Fabian, it's not like YOU haven't cracked on gay people before! When did you suddenly become the poster boy for cultural sensitivity to gay people?

sirgod, I appreciate what you had to say. Please don't feel the need to apologize for trying to communicate good will to gay folks. Maybe it behooves gay people to return acceptance when it's shown by not quibbling over word choices or an honest admission that he's not into guys?

[Rachel Grey]

Fabes tried to put the moves on a gay person?

[Trystenn]

Fabes tried to put the moves on a gay person?
Well there was this one time, it was late, at Ritas, and well...

[GammaPro]

Believe it or not, my mind was changed by boards like these. Years ago, Wizard magazine ran a MB. It was rather popular.

Strangely enough, I had already seriously questioned many things of the faith I was raised in (Christianity). I had come to terms with alot of things and decided I'd forget the religiousness (is that a word?) of it all and just focus on my God. Worked out well for me.

Well, I hadn't really given much thought to homosexuality and how I felt about it yet. I was raised to believe that it was immoral and an abomination. But, having loving parents, I was raised to never put them down and to piously pray for them.

But, like I said, my mind and heart was, at the time, coming into its own so to speak. That's about the time when I saw a topic at Wizarworld. It was a debate about homosexuality. Two posters in particular stood out: Launce100 and Sati, both gay.

I read these guys posts and they were so heartfelt and steadfast. While many threw their own beliefs in these guys faces, these two countered with what they knew. With what they had lived.

At the time, my biggest question was whether or not people were actually born gay. Again, I was raised to believe the answer to that was a resounding NO! After reading these guys accounts of always having been attracted to other males, the most obvious (yet still profound to me) realization came to me.

How is it that people, including myself, could decide they know people better than they knew themselves. If a man looks at me and says "I've always liked men.", who the hell am I to look at him and tell him he's wrong??

I decided then and there that people can be born gay. That opened a whole can of worms for me and led me to change my views on the issue about 180 degrees.

Of course, I obviously know alot of people who still believe it's immoral. I just consider those people misguided not backwoods, uneducated simpletons.

[Fabian]

C'mon, Fabian, it's not like YOU haven't cracked on gay people before! When did you suddenly become the poster boy for cultural sensitivity to gay people?
The same day you apparently became my judge. They were giving out all sorts of BS titles.

Fabes tried to put the moves on a gay person?
If lesbians count and making a move means I made a complete fool of myself, then yes.

Well there was this one time, it was late, at Ritas, and well...
You had another F fantasy?

[Trystenn]

If lesbians count and making a move means I made a comlete fool of myself, then yes.
*Sigh*
Been there done that.


You had another F fantasy?
................................................
D*mn you Fabian.

[Fabian]

*Sigh*
Been there done that..
If you "did that" then you wouldn't have to sigh. Unless it was that amazing

[Trystenn]

If you "did that" then you wouldn't have to sigh. Unless it was that amazing
Sigh as in F*ck ok its not like i have this built in lesbian radar.

[Tom]

sirgod, I appreciate what you had to say. Please don't feel the need to apologize for trying to communicate good will to gay folks. Maybe it behooves gay people to return acceptance when it's shown by not quibbling over word choices or an honest admission that he's not into guys?
Good lord, I get tired of you subtly lecturing me.

[Gilda Dent]

sirgod, I think your wording may need a little work, and you may need to get a little more informed regarding how to talk to and about GLBT folk politely, but I can see that your heart's in the right place. It's always nice to hear someone whose perception of GLBT people changed as a result of a positive experience.

Testimony of a life-lesson that changed one for the better is almost always welcome.

Gilda

[sirgod]

Thanks Gilda, and I believe you are correct. as for my Poor Posting style, Punctuation etc. I chalk It up to Dyslexia , and Suffering from mercury Poisoning.

Still It's no excuse, as I hold myself to a higher standard then that. All I wish To express, Is that this one person, me, has no problem with Gays, at all. Some of my best friends are Gay, I've had People in the milatary who are gay, I have no problem with them.

But It seems that no matter how accepting I am, People will try and Keep a problem up. Look I wish nothing more then to be Friends with you people, But It seems to me, when I tryed to reach out to a certain group here, I was well chastized for It.

That's just wrong IMHO, and I hope It's not a reflection of this community which I have came to love.

stephen

[Donald M.]

Good lord, I get tired of you subtly lecturing me.

You thought it was subtle?

[Tom]

You thought it was subtle?
I was being polite.

Stephen, I really don't think anyone in this thread has a problem with you. The most you got was some ribbing. Don't let it get it to you.

[Donald M.]

Yeah, when you've been here a little longer you'll realize a little good-natured ribbing is par for the course, especially if you make a poor word choice or an espeicially amusing typo.

[sirgod]

I was being polite.

Stephen, I really don't think anyone in this thread has a problem with you. The most you got was some ribbing. Don't let it get it to you.

I think your right, When I re-read this thread, I realize that most people are are just joking. Hell If I can't take a joke then I'm worse off thhen I originaly thought.

It's all good though Tom, I find most people here to be of excellent Character, and My only wish is to join them in being so.

Stephen

[Erkoban]

wait a minute.. you've "forgiven" or "accepted" gay people or being gay because they acted like regular human beings who showed compassion and goodwill to a relative after a tragedy?

Did you think they were subhuman heartless creatures from the depths of Hell before that?

[Tom]

wait a minute.. you've "forgiven" or "accepted" gay people or being gay because they acted like regular human beings who showed compassion and goodwill to a relative after a tragedy?

Did you think they were subhuman heartless creatures from the depths of Hell before that?
Does it matter?

And you're quoting things he never said.

[Erkoban]

So I'm not really sure what all the hubub here is about gays, anymore then I understand the Hatred for Republicans or christians, But one thing I do know, I look at people as Individuals, and respect them for that.


The hatred for republicans and christians mostly come from personal experiences with those types of people.

They hate gays because they need to hate gays. They don't know any gay men, but they have already labelled them vile and lowly, and will do anything to make their lives more miserable.

Christian Republicans try to make laws to prevent gay people from just living life in a similar fashion as straight folks live theirs. They want to legally treat them like shit, like lesser people, and that's part of their political agenda, because they've judged them from a distance and found them unworthy and unfit, immoral and depraved.


You want to know how I could have responded to christians after a tragedy?

Someone young died, and what did they tell me? The lord works in mysterious ways, of course he will burn in hell because he didn't believe in Jesus. Someone young died and Christians tried to use it as a tool to endorse their religion on me and others, all disguised as "friendly help".

Still after being burned enough by bigots I never judged anybody before I knew them properly. Even when you can look at an instution and say that you find it ethically wrong. I might loathe the church, but as long as Christians are still individuals I'll treat them as such, and because of that I recognize that you've got a bunch of shitheads walking amongst them, right next to the good ones.

Really this thread is a slap in the face.

I hope you get punched back in a similar fashion.

[Erkoban]

Does it matter?

And you're quoting things he never said.

the " usage doesn't always have to mean a literal quotation. Language is flexible, especially on the internet, where putting stuff between "" can often be read as open sarcasm, especially when you have a fuction available that is:

something like this, you know, this is how you quote in a literal sense on the internet or at least on this forum.

anyway hurray for semantics!

[Tom]

anyway hurray for semantics!
It's not semantics. You deliberately misrepresented his post and then expressed the desire that someone punch him.

[sirgod]

wait a minute.. you've "forgiven" or "accepted" gay people or being gay because they acted like regular human beings who showed compassion and goodwill to a relative after a tragedy?

Did you think they were subhuman heartless creatures from the depths of Hell before that?


No I did not. My terminolgiy was of course Incorect when I made this post, I acknowledge that, and Consider myself chastizied for having done so.

Look, I'm trying my best to change for the better, Now if theres something wrong with that, then by all means Blast away, I deserve that.

Stephen

[Tom]

Look, I'm trying my best to change for the better, Now if theres something wrong with that, then by all means Blast away, I deserve that.

I'll be honest with you, Stephen. As a gay man, I find messages like these, well a little weird. On the one hand, I admire your ability to change your mind and your desire to make good by expressing it. I'm certainly not unhappy that you made the leap. Better for everyone, I say.

The weird part is sitting there and have someone stand up and proclaim "I have no problem with you people. I used to, but not now. But I like women!" To which my reaction is always "Oh. Okay." Especially since everyone turns to the gay person in the room and expects them to...applaud? Hug you? I'm not sure.

It's good that you're saying this. Really. It's just that I try not to have too big a reaction to these things because for me, it smacks too much of "Oh, thank you kind sir! may I have another?"

[Erkoban]

It's not semantics.

yes it is. Not everything written between these wonderful things " is a literal quote, especially not on the web. If you want to make it that, go ahead, but don't proclaim your version as absolute truth, because you're not the world, you are an individual.

You deliberately misrepresented his post

really now? Shall we review the case then? Using actual quotes, and then I'll provide you with my interpretation of it.


Anyway, I just thought It might be the time to give another view from a Fellow Red-Neck, Bible thumping, Okie. Here's the thing, I have no problem with Gays.

As the writer classifies himself as a red-neck bible thumping individual he acknowledges his supposed views on homosexuals, after all there would be no other reason to mention it in that particular fashion, the last part of this statement further supports this, as the language in which it was written suggests that we should be mildly surprised that he, a redneck bible thumper, doesn't have a problem with homosexuals.

about two years ago, My sister lost her child, due to a child Desease. The first person to call me, was a gay friend, who is also very Libral, Hell he works for the Democratic party out there in sunny Cal. HE was there for my sister in a huge way, and It's then that I changed my mind, If my wife and I where able to have more kids, I'd put him in the will in a heartbeat.

And I was right! Look at that. Personal tragedy, and how one gay male reacted in that tragey made him change his mind on how he looked at homosexuals. Combine this revelation with the content and style of the previous segment and you have the central theme: "I have changed my mind on gay people, I once did not accept them I do now."

(and look again the use of those nasty little marks, properly used, and not even an exact quote, paraphrasing can occur between two of these " )

So I'm not really sure what all the hubub here is about gays, anymore then I understand the Hatred for Republicans or christians, But one thing I do know, I look at people as Individuals, and respect them for that.

He doesn't understand the hubub about gays, a bit surprising since the rest of his post indicates that at one time he would have had a problem with gay men, and he would have understood the hubub about them.

But now he looks at people as individuals, why now? Well we went into that above didn't we? No need to repeat it, he changed, he didn't look at them as individuals in the past, but now he does.

As for the gays, Sorry not interested, but All my respect, Now I must go back and do a googlesearch for Jessica Biel.

He looks at the gays as individuals, but still he needed to wriggle this snarky little comment in there for good measure. How generous, as if somehow after this heartwarming (and that's sarcasm) revelation of new found understanding and acceptance, he just needs to confirm openly to the gays that he isn't interested in them or their advances made, and that he is very much a heterosexual male who now, after his revelaton, needs to download images of an attractive female using google.

here you go paraphrasing again "I like the gays I accept them, they are human... but don't come near me now because I am a hetero!"

I could point out his use of "the gays" and how it undermines his stand that he looks at them as individuals now.

and then expressed the desire that someone punch him.

poor reading skills.

the post he made was a slap in the face, I hoped someone would punch him in a similar fashion?

Is that advocating physical harm? Not really, unless you have poor reading skills that is, in which case the following line will also be confusing...

You gave me your heart and I'll give you mine in return.

(oh no I'm advocating the exchange of vital organs!)


The line is simple I hope someone makes a statement about the group he belongs to in a similar fashion as the statement he made about "the gays".

Oh no I'm advocating that he should see what life is like when you're on the receiving end of a similar post!? What foul human-being I am!

edit: and yes I'm bitchy today, and overly defensive.

[Tom]

Oh okay, I get it now Erkoban. Words and punctuation mean only what you decide them to mean. Got it.

You're a bfithsta. Carry on!

[Erkoban]

Oh okay, I get it now Erkoban.


Obviously you didn't get it.

But then again, you share my views on the intitial post, as evidenced by:

I'll be honest with you, Stephen. As a gay man, I find messages like these, well a little weird. On the one hand, I admire your ability to change your mind and your desire to make good by expressing it. I'm certainly not unhappy that you made the leap. Better for everyone, I say.

The weird part is sitting there and have someone stand up and proclaim "I have no problem with you people. I used to, but not now. But I like women!" To which my reaction is always "Oh. Okay." Especially since everyone turns to the gay person in the room and expects them to...applaud? Hug you? I'm not sure.

It's good that you're saying this. Really. It's just that I try not to have too big a reaction to these things because for me, it smacks too much of "Oh, thank you kind sir! may I have another?"

[Tom]

Obviously you didn't get it.

But then again, you share my views on the intitial post, as evidenced by:
You honestly don't see the difference between how I expressed my view and how you expressed yours?

Oh and by the way, this: ? indicates a question, although you really don't have to answer it because we're on the internet, or as I like to call it, the glofturentia.

[Donald M.]

Obviously you didn't get it.



Dude, are you looking to get banned? Let it go.

[atoningunifex]

The weird part is sitting there and have someone stand up and proclaim "I have no problem with you people. I used to, but not now. But I like women!" To which my reaction is always "Oh. Okay." Especially since everyone turns to the gay person in the room and expects them to...applaud? Hug you? I'm not sure.


According to Emily Post:

The proper response by a homosexual male to a statement of support from a formerly disparaging heterosexual is as follows:

If the heterosexual in question is male the homosexual should clap him on the shoulder with one hand, spit and say "Thanks, bud. Here's a brewski."

If the heterosexual in question is female then the homosexual should say "Why, Betty Lou, I always knew you were as kind as you are pretty." (This must be said without even a trace of sarcasm. Should the heterosexual female perceive the comment as an insult then the homosexual male must immediately adopt an effeminate pose and proclaim "Oh, girlfriend, I'm kidding! I'm just in a jealous swoon because of the way that dress just FLOATS over your hips.")

Homosexual females tend to hear statements of support in therapy sessions and can safely let the therapist take control at that point.

Should a lesbian encounter a statement of support outside a therapy situation the response to a heterosexual male would be exactly the same.

The proper response to a heterosexual female would be "So, Betty Lou, can I lick you until you can't remember your husband's name?"

When confronted by a mixed group of heterosexuals proclaiming their guarded support then the homosexual, male or female, must smile, shrug their shoulders and say "Awww, you guys...."

[Erkoban]

that was funny

:D

[JerrBear81]

Tom pretty much said what I was thinking. Don't get me wrong, sirgod. I think it's great you look at people as individuals and not just stereotypes. It's just that since you've never done anything bad to me personally, I see no need for you to apologize for how you felt before.

[Spackling Compound]

The first post, even if meant in earnest, was also posted on the YABS board, if I am correct. So the revelation must be Pauline in character and brought to every nation. Sorry it just falls flat as Tom and others have pointed out.

To me, there is a 70's Norman Lear sitcom quality to the post. Like when George Jefferson helped Archie Bunker out with something and Archie reluctantly said "Thanks, you ain't s'bad yourself" and then made a remark about "coloreds" to slyly imply he's keeping up his tough persona. Cue laugh track and theme song.

I've had gay friends be "there" for me and my family. I've had gay family members be "there".
I've had people who I'm politically, socially and morally opposed to be "there" for me or friends and family at times. It doesn't mean I'm "there" for their lifestyle (nor they mine).

I'm against gay marriage on philosophical and religions grounds. However, I have been approached by gay males and have even continued to be friends with them after the "misunderstanding". I may be approached several more times. I can't say that the classic, "I loves y'guys cuz you done sumpin nice f'r me but don't get no gay ideas cuz I ain't doin' that. I tell ya. None a dat! Eeeeeeee-Dith! Get me and the fag here a beer."

I appreciate the first post but am curious as the reason why he did it the way he did. The thread title either assumes some "familiarity" with CBR posters to call us "perverts" or a sense of the sitcom ideal that Archie is in the gay bar but he ain't dancin'. C'mere,you big lug...

And the stepson cum son who is gay is also an interesting issue. Probably shouldn't have "Googled Jessica Biel" if he wanted me to take his family allegiances seriously.

[Rabid Trekkie]

The hatred for republicans and christians mostly come from personal experiences with those types of people.

They hate gays because they need to hate gays. They don't know any gay men, but they have already labelled them vile and lowly, and will do anything to make their lives more miserable.

Christian Republicans try to make laws to prevent gay people from just living life in a similar fashion as straight folks live theirs. They want to legally treat them like shit, like lesser people, and that's part of their political agenda, because they've judged them from a distance and found them unworthy and unfit, immoral and depraved.


You want to know how I could have responded to christians after a tragedy?

Someone young died, and what did they tell me? The lord works in mysterious ways, of course he will burn in hell because he didn't believe in Jesus. Someone young died and Christians tried to use it as a tool to endorse their religion on me and others, all disguised as "friendly help".

Still after being burned enough by bigots I never judged anybody before I knew them properly. Even when you can look at an instution and say that you find it ethically wrong. I might loathe the church, but as long as Christians are still individuals I'll treat them as such, and because of that I recognize that you've got a bunch of shitheads walking amongst them, right next to the good ones.

Really this thread is a slap in the face.

I hope you get punched back in a similar fashion.

And for someone who claims to treat everyone as individuals you still seem to paint with a really big brush. I mean Christians and Republicans are both hated because they hate gays is a pretty general statement that doesn't really leave anyone out.

For the record, not all who call themselves both Christian and Republican are out to take away the freedoms of people they don't agree with and treat everyone else like shit.

But of course your not bigoted against Christians, you just spend the whole first half of your post acting like it.

As for Sirgod's change of ideas, doesn't really sound all that surprising. How do you think Whites and Blacks learned how to get along? It was by slowly realizing that the guy who is different from you is a lot like you. Sometimes it takes something serious, like a death, in order for stereotypes to be broken down and people to see each other as people. That is especially true when those stereotypes have been spread out for several years and it is assumed to be common knowledge that gay people act exactly like they are portrayed on television.

Instead of jumping on him, maybe you should be helping to foster this new realization of "Gays are people too" in someone who didn't have it previously.

[sirgod]

Thank you Rapid Trekkie, Look Folkes, I really don't want to cause any trouble here, I just want to point out, That I'm capable of change, and am Doing so.

Stephen

[Donald M.]

Thank you Rapid Trekkie, Look Folkes, I really don't want to cause any trouble here, I just want to point out, That I'm capable of change, and am Doing so.

Stephen

Which is great for you, but was there any real pressing need to point it out?

Just be a decent human being and that will call attention to itself.

[Spike-X]

yes I'm bitchy today

Really? I hadn't picked up on that at all.

[tangentman]

Do we really need to call out the thought police on sirgod expressing a sentiment in his own words, just because they're not meeting the PC criteria of certain members? That seems more tiresome to me than any "lecture" possibly could, and certainly smacks of the intolerance many of you say that you hate from others.

[sirgod]

I think where I may made my mistake Tangentman, Is For bringing this topic up at all. I saw yesterday, Some Gays being picked on here, and all I wanted to do was Give them some back up perhaps show abit of support for a fellow Human being.

I think the majority of people here caught on to that, and as Tom Mentioned, It's kinda wierd that I mentioned this whole topic. Esp. in the way that I did. I think It might be for the best to just let this whole thing Drop, Or even be removed.

I really don't want anytrouble Via my posts, and It seems that's what I have done here.

Stephen

[Tom]

I think the majority of people here caught on to that, and as Tom Mentioned, It's kinda wierd that I mentioned this whole topic. Esp. in the way that I did. I think It might be for the best to just let this whole thing Drop, Or even be removed.

No , that isn't what I said, or at least it isn't what I meant. What I meant was my reaction to statements like this is weird, and what I really should have said was "confusing." I simply do not know how to react to statements like this while still remaining polite and supportive. You were not wrong to bring it up and the only thought policing I see on this thread is by certain people who think they can tell me what my reaction is supposed to be.

Oh hell, I can't do the coy thing. Tangentman.

[sirgod]

Well I misread your statement then Tom. I can understand where you'r coming from, Just please know, I didn't mean anything wrong from this post/Thread.

It may seem abit odd, but I'm really trying my best to grow Beyond old prejudices here guys. That's all, Seriously, That's all I wanted to express here.

Stephen

[Tom]

Stephen, buddy...we get it. Except for one or two people, we all admire you for your statement and your stand. Now buck up! You just had one of your threads turn into a bitchfest! You are now in the inner circle.

[Smoogis]

Bitchfests are the nutrients for the board. You've contributed to tasty controversy.

One of us! One of us!

[sirgod]

LOL, thanks Guys. All my best back at ya Folks.

Stephen

[tangentman]

No , that isn't what I said, or at least it isn't what I meant. What I meant was my reaction to statements like this is weird, and what I really should have said was "confusing." I simply do not know how to react to statements like this while still remaining polite and supportive. You were not wrong to bring it up and the only thought policing I see on this thread is by certain people who think they can tell me what my reaction is supposed to be.

Oh hell, I can't do the coy thing. Tangentman.

Tom, I haven't told you what to feel or think. I addressed a behavior I saw from several people. If you took that as an attack singling you out, that's your business. I only called out one person and that was because his attack on sirgod seemed inconsistent with things I've seen from him in the past. With that exception, I was addressing the board for what I saw as hostile, catty, and intolerant treatment of a guy who is new to me. Does any of that apply to you?

For a forum that identifies itself as a "Community" board, there didn't seem to be much sense of "community" in the treatment of sirgod. I didn't have a problem with people rationally explaining why they had problems with sirgod's post. The personal attacks and rude comments were a different matter.

[Fabian]

Tom, I haven't told you what to feel or think. I addressed a behavior I saw from several people. If you took that as an attack singling you out, that's your business. I only called out one person and that was because his attack on sirgod seemed inconsistent with things I've seen from him in the past. With that exception, I was addressing the board for what I saw as hostile, catty, and intolerant treatment of a guy who is new to me. Does any of that apply to you?
True, he called me out. He has implied before (in other posts) that he has a certain view about me which I'm not aware of but when I have asked him on it, he ended up giving me vague answers. It was like being in the Matrix sequels. I tried to ask him about it via PMs but he never answered and instead chose to bring it to yet another thread.

Which I don't mind, I like publicity.

But I also don't understand the nature of the thread. I'm somewhat confused like Tom on what I should do/say. It's like someone making a thread about now washing their hands after using the bathroom, it seemed obvious to me.

[Fenris]

Stephen, your post was thoughtful and very interesting. It's very impressive to meet people who are open to new ideas.

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And that's all I have to say about that!

[Tom]

Tom, I haven't told you what to feel or think. I addressed a behavior I saw from several people. If you took that as an attack singling you out, that's your business. I only called out one person and that was because his attack on sirgod seemed inconsistent with things I've seen from him in the past. With that exception, I was addressing the board for what I saw as hostile, catty, and intolerant treatment of a guy who is new to me. Does any of that apply to you?

For a forum that identifies itself as a "Community" board, there didn't seem to be much sense of "community" in the treatment of sirgod. I didn't have a problem with people rationally explaining why they had problems with sirgod's post. The personal attacks and rude comments were a different matter.
Well golly, tangentman, if your problem was with rudeness then why all the crap about thought policing and PC, which is certainly not something you could attribute to Fabian? Why throw the word "lecture" in there in quotes?

Puh-leeze. You were calling me out on imagined behavior. This is something you do with me periodically. I have no idea why. The last time was when I posted what I though was an amusing story about posting pics on a hookup site and the time before that was when you called me shallow for asking people to stop posting pictures of newly married lesbian couples just to make fun of them.

No, I don't understand that last one either.

[sirgod]

True, he called me out. He has implied before (in other posts) that he has a certain view about me which I'm not aware of but when I have asked him on it, he ended up giving me vague answers. It was like being in the Matrix sequels. I tried to ask him about it via PMs but he never answered and instead chose to bring it to yet another thread.

Which I don't mind, I like publicity.

But I also don't understand the nature of the thread. I'm somewhat confused like Tom on what I should do/say. It's like someone making a thread about now washing their hands after using the bathroom, it seemed obvious to me.


I don't recall Any Observation about you or anyone else here. If I made such a post, elsewhere, I was in the wrong.Seriously, I don't understand your first Paragraph Fabian, And the last thing I Would do Is call anyone out. It's just simply not in my nature. I'm A piss poor fellow If I did this to you in the past.

Stephen

[Tom]

He's talking about tangentman.

[K'Nort]

I think where I may made my mistake Tangentman, Is For bringing this topic up at all. I saw yesterday, Some Gays being picked on here, and all I wanted to do was Give them some back up perhaps show abit of support for a fellow Human being.

Well I think it's useful that you clarified that. That was my original impression from your post -- that you were speaking more to the homophobic elements of the board than to the gay or gay-friendly members. Which is a more straightforward reason too. I can understand some of the responses/interpretations though. Sorry about the really bitchy ones. The right doesn't have a monopoly on prejudice.